Another astute reader sent me this segment of Zappa defending unspeakably perverse filth:
Zappa supported incest. He also used profanity on national television when others pointed out the insanity of his position. The man clearly hated America and everything it stood for. Luckily, the other commenters out-argued him and backed him into a corner, from whence he could only foray with ad hominems and profanity.
Zappa even attempts to co-opt the position of his opponents. “I’m a conservative.” If he was Republican, he was pure RINO. But more likely, he was lying as he visibly wilted under the pressure of defending an insane position against erudite and eloquent opponents.
The man belonged in a strait jacket. Wherever he is now, I’m sure it’s hot and I don’t want to go there. He was one of the deviant perverts who subsumed American culture in the 1960s. His music was horrible and weird, and his viewpoints were, too. We should exhume his body and burn it in a dumpster. It’s the least we can do for him, after all he did to us.
Update (by Psycheout): See this important message for zappa.com readers.
Blogs 4 Brownback 
Yeah, the guy’s an idiot. Is it just me, or does he have more than a passing resemblance to Borat?!
However,
“If he was Republican, he was pure RINO.”
I agree that he cannot be conservative, but that statement alone: do you have a monopoly on the definition of conservative? Just because you say a person isn’t conservative doesn’t make it true, as everybody’s definition of conservative is different.
Comment by Adam Nelson — July 16, 2007 @ 7:55 am |
The only words we need to hear are the Words of God contained in the Bible.
Comment by Helen Bock — July 16, 2007 @ 11:00 am |
Then SHUT UP so we can hear them, bimbo-tard.
Comment by Uh Clem — May 5, 2011 @ 4:12 pm |
Amen, Helen.
Comment by Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett — July 16, 2007 @ 11:01 am |
Frank Zappa – a prophet for our times and now a saint!
Comment by Bob Baffet — July 16, 2007 @ 11:01 am |
He did kind of look like Borat! I doubt he does any more, though.
I do have a confession to make. I did like the song he did with his daughter, Valley Girl.
Comment by Psycheout — July 16, 2007 @ 11:55 am |
Nothing wrong with admitting he is a talented musician. Hitler was a terrible human being, but he was very intelligent to accomplish what he did.
Comment by Adam Nelson — July 16, 2007 @ 12:23 pm |
Did you know Hitler, then you really dont know. You are just piping the same old fucking song of jewih Hollywood. Why dont you read some history. Maybe a little on that piece of shit FDR and how it was the Balfour Declaration that started that war not the German people. Learn some history and then comment……..
Comment by quantrill — June 2, 2014 @ 7:48 pm |
I don’t know about talented. I just thought the song was funny. And I half expected you to say “Hitler was a terrible human being, but man could he paint. And that Mein Kampf, what a page turner!”
But be prepared for Zappa lovers to come in here screaming that you called Zappa “Hitler.” I can almost guarantee it.
Comment by Psycheout — July 16, 2007 @ 1:17 pm |
Why can’t the US government do something about things like poverty and failing heath care and education systems, and stay the f*ck out of people’s homes?
Wasn’t America supposed to be a “free country”?
Comment by Skeptic — July 16, 2007 @ 1:25 pm |
I agree. I personally think too much effort is put on media censorship. The mediais not the problem, the PEOPLE are. Here’s a solution to the problems on TV: turn it the hell off.
Comment by Adam Nelson — July 16, 2007 @ 2:20 pm |
Hitler was a terrible painter. Really just awful.
Comment by Salmo — July 17, 2007 @ 2:51 pm |
Frank Zappa is a genius!!
He love America!!
It is not because you are stupid, that we hate you!!
It has never mattered to me that thirty million people might think I’m wrong. The number of people who thought Hitler was right did not make him right…
Why do you necessarily have to be wrong just because a few million people think you are?
— Frank Zappa, quoted from The Real Frank Zappa Book
Comment by ZutboF — July 29, 2007 @ 7:08 pm |
Ahhhh….I was wondering where all the idiots hung out on the web. I can rest easy now.
It’s a shame you don’t understand Zappa’s fundamental position here, and it’s a shame you find it necessary to attack him as a person for holding his own beliefs. It’s a shame that you don’t enjoy or understand his music. ‘Horrible and weird’. No, it wasn’t….but it was certainly beyond your ken, along with other 20th century composers, ie Webern, Bartok, Stravinsky, Varese. If you didn’t know that he composed serious art-music, then you don’t know enough about the man.
A shame…..but not surprising. At your level, you just don’t know any better.
Comment by Tom — August 4, 2007 @ 12:56 am |
Frank Zappa is loved by millions and he’s one of the finest American’s that ever lived. In that film he defends freedom of speech. He’s not into incest, he’s saying the idea of banning a record that deal’s with incest is wrong because where does it end?
You are too think to understand Zappa, Bush is more your hero.
And to hear you suggest digging him up. Man, you’re one sick human being.
Comment by Kid B — August 4, 2007 @ 1:42 am |
A bit rude to claim that “Zappa supported incest.” I think this is a very serious statement that warrants a proper source. If you cannot provide this, I think you should retract that comment.
As to his music, I am not surprised that you cannot appreciate it. It is probably a bit too challenging for a person who clearly has a desire for presenting everything in one, and only one, dimension.
Comment by HJ — August 4, 2007 @ 1:56 am |
Uh oh, Zappa and his moronic fans have risen from the grave. Like, gag me with a spoon. You guys are going to love our upcoming expose on Jerry “Beezelbub” Garcia.
Comment by Psycheout — August 4, 2007 @ 2:20 am |
Gag you with a spoon? Huh??
Oh thats right, you’re a Christian.
Comment by Tom — August 4, 2007 @ 2:31 am |
Frank Zappa was one of the most important US figures of the XX century, one of the most influential musicians and also a knowledgeable social critic. He stood all the good things the US used to care about, like freedom of speech and freedom of choice.
He was not for incest (you need to back that up with facts). without his contribution the world would have been an even worse place…
Comment by Dee Ann Aye — August 4, 2007 @ 4:56 am |
Psycheout,
Jesus thinks you’re a jerk! He wouldn’t approve of you calling people moronic. Have some respect.
If anything it is Borat who looks like Zappa, not the other way round!
Comment by Dee Ann Aye — August 4, 2007 @ 5:02 am |
Show me where The Bible says thou shalt not call a moron “moronic,” Dee Ann.
Comment by Psycheout — August 4, 2007 @ 7:10 am |
Ok, you have just proved that you are a complete moron. Zappa quite clearly states that he is not interested in incest, but he sees no reason why people should be stigmatised for promoting it in their songs. Frank was for artistic freedom, not sexual aberrations. Frank Zappa also believed in America and the Constitution, what he did not like was these other ‘true Americans’ who coletely flubbed it up. You sir, are a complete and utter retard, but the one even more retarded than you, is the guy who sold you a computer.
[Ed Note: Profanity is not tolerated. This is a family-friendly website. Why do liberals always use foul language?]
Comment by Crudblud — August 4, 2007 @ 8:21 am |
It seems quite common for people like this blogger , to initiate a blog like this , showing complete ignorance of a subject. To call Zappa a moron shows a complete lack of understanding of Zappa and music in general. You probably like people like Bobby Goldsboro , who WAS convicted of incest , but he wrote NICE songs , right?
Do yourself a favor and learn something about a subject before you opine on it. You seem to have a typical redneck hillbilly attitude towards things you don’t understand….ie…. “My daddy said he was bad and that’s good nuff for me “.
Jeeze — wise up clown 😦
Comment by Pedro1 — August 4, 2007 @ 9:02 am |
21.It seems quite common for people like this blogger , to initiate a blog like this , showing complete ignorance of a subject. To call Zappa a moron shows a complete lack of understanding of Zappa and music in general. You probably like people like Bobby Goldsboro , who WAS convicted of incest , but he wrote NICE songs , right?
Do yourself a favor and learn something about a subject before you opine on it. You seem to have a typical redneck hillbilly attitude towards things you don’t understand….ie…. “My daddy said he was bad and that’s good nuff for me “.
Jeeze — wise up clown
This post is so old, but once it’s on the web it’s there forever, and this 2nd idiot should be corrected for showing his complete ignorance of a subject. Bobby Goldsboro was NEVER convicted of incest, child molestation, or even possession of kiddie porn. Do yourself a favor, and take your own advice, learn something about a subject before you opine on it. Now, go back to your gay website and play with little wendell, you stupid ass stain.
Comment by Darren — June 30, 2013 @ 2:24 am |
My best advice to anyone who wants to raise a happy, mentally healthy child is: Keep him or her as far away from a church as you can.
-Frank Zappa
Comment by Miguel — August 4, 2007 @ 11:55 am |
Well this whole issue is immaterial. Freedom of speech and freedom of expression are protected rights. Everyone has free will. I choose not to listen to rap music, doesnt mean rap music fans are going to hell. What’s next? Maybe Allen Ginsberg should be dragged through the mud too. Frank Zappa is a very talented artist. He was years ahead of his time. What I see in this interview is a very intelligent man being assaulted by narrow minded conservative people. Blind hatred and name calling is something those commentators and this blog have in common. It is no wonder you decided to post on it. All of the attacks from the commentators were not well supported if at all by facts. I suppose slander isn’t a bad thing.
For the record I think god is a Zappa fan.
Comment by thebomb — August 4, 2007 @ 11:59 am |
Frank Zappa was a pervert and a weirdo who got exactly what he deserved. Anyone who doubts his depravity has to defend the lyrics to the album “Absolutely Free,” in which he advocates child molestation and vegetable lust. The man belonged in a straitjacket, not on national television. That’s the moonbat media’s bias for you.
“My best advice to anyone who wants to raise a happy, mentally healthy child is: Keep him or her as far away from a church as you can.”
This proves Frank Zappa was an evil, evil man.
Comment by Sisyphus — August 4, 2007 @ 12:28 pm |
“lyrics to the album “Absolutely Free,” in which he advocates child molestation”
Where?
“”My best advice to anyone who wants to raise a happy, mentally healthy child is: Keep him or her as far away from a church as you can.”
This proves Frank Zappa was an evil, evil man.”
How can he be an evil man just cause he criticized churches? Are you an islamic extremist?
Try to articulate the subject or make some sense.
Comment by Claudio — August 13, 2009 @ 4:52 pm |
Why Sisyphus? So if you don’t attend church you are automatically evil? Frank Zappa never advocated it. He sang about. There is a big difference. And you went to church I’ll assume, and you don’t appear to be sane thus supporting his statement. It’s people like you that made Frank Zappa the person he bacame. He saw the intollerence and prejudice that has run rampant if American society throughout history and he did something to raise awareness. You are prejudiced. Your views are akewed by your blind (sxtreme)faith. The bible said Jesus loves all gods children. Who are you to go against what Jesus believed.
Comment by thebomb — August 4, 2007 @ 12:38 pm |
GO love YOU MOTHERS CRUSTY bottom hole WITH A DULL KITCHEN KNIFE!!
[Ed Note: Bad grammar and foul language: the hallmarks of a Frank Zappa fan.]
Comment by jaypfunk — August 4, 2007 @ 1:07 pm |
GO love YOU MOTHERS CRUSTY bottom hole WITH A DULL KITCHEN KNIFE!!
[Ed Note: Bad grammar, foul language and tourettes syndrome: the hallmarks of a Frank Zappa fan.]
Comment by jaypfunk — August 4, 2007 @ 1:07 pm |
GO love YOU MOTHERS CRUSTY bottom hole WITH A DULL KITCHEN KNIFE!!
[Ed Note: Okay, we get it.]
Comment by jaypfunk — August 4, 2007 @ 1:08 pm |
GO love YOU MOTHERS CRUSTY bottom hole WITH A DULL KITCHEN KNIFE!!
[Ed Note: That’s enough, already.]
Comment by jaypfunk — August 4, 2007 @ 1:09 pm |
JOHN LOFTON IS A lady parts BURGER!!!
[Ed Note: Can you lay off the profanity, please? Children read this site, too.]
Comment by jaypfunk — August 4, 2007 @ 1:09 pm |
These are the same bottomholes that are going to the D.C. Madam for baby oil hand modeling jobs!! Hypocrites!! See my picture here and be my friend!!
[Ed Note: Wow, you are a repulsive human being!]
Comment by jaypfunk — August 4, 2007 @ 1:11 pm |
”he advocates child molestation and vegetable lust” – Sisyphus
yeah, error #1 : don’t confuse the message with the messenger.. error #2, what the flub is vegetable lust?!
religion stultifies your mind, isn’t it funny how religion is forced on people too young to do anything about it, and they are not given a choice in the matter. it’s a big con.
frank zappa was a true hero, and if you can’t see that you are a complete ‘tard. jesus thinks you’re a jerk!
Comment by Jessie Edwardo — August 4, 2007 @ 3:23 pm |
A “true hero?” Okay, how many terrorists did he kill?
This hero worship thing is ridiculous. Haven’t you heard the one about not putting any false idols before the Lord thy G-d? Ring any bells?
Comment by Psycheout — August 4, 2007 @ 4:52 pm |
So basically psycheout, what you’re saying here is that Zappa fans are “wrong” to think of Zappa as their hero, but religious folk are “right” to think of God as their hero?
Zappa is someone I admire greatly, and one important and very relevant point to note here, is that Zappa was a human being who actually existed.
Comment by Emma — August 4, 2007 @ 7:02 pm |
Emma, having heros is not uncommon in Christian beliefs that are not god. Jesus, and all the saints to name some. If they believe it is a sin to believe Zappa is a hero then it would also be a sin to believe the saints and Christ himself was a hero. Double standards are popular with these people. What’s ok for them to do is unaccetpable if you arent of their same creed. Zappa inspired millions. He used his specific genre to raise awareness and diversify the musical industry. His works are basied in a profound musical knowledge using various sources of classical music. Igorant prejudicial people like the one that posted this blog should really look at the man and his talent.
Comment by thebomb — August 4, 2007 @ 9:04 pm |
AN IMPORTANT NOTE FOR ZAPPA.COM FOLKS
It’s really precious that these Zappa fans finally discovered this post 3 weeks after it was posted. Now, because they read about it on a Frank Zappa forum, they felt it was their duty to rush over here and somehow help save dead Frank from these awful bullies that said some mean things about him.
There’s forums for everything these days. Outcasts of all kinds find each other and huddle together, safe in their idiosyncracies, on the Internet. If I were to make fun of diaper fetishists or perverted furries, a forum would link to us and the freaks would rush in to tell us how mean we are. It’s actually quite pathetic.
And the name of the post that these selfless evanglists for Frank are finding B4B from? Please take the defence for Frank on a blog!! Oh boy. C’mon guys, let’s go win this one for The Tripper!
Look guys. Let be honest about this. Zappa would laugh at you for this pointless lemming-like behavior and mindless obsession. If I understand the Zappa mythos, and I suspect I do, he was this great anti-establishment type who did things his own way and didn’t follow the herd. Or so the belief goes.
But what about his fans who rush hither and yon to vanquish those horrible people who don’t share their mindless hero worship? Frank Zappa would laugh at you, you ignorant herd. Most, if not all of you, are exactly the kind of people Frank Zappa would despise.
If you really think the guy is so wonderful and his ideas are so important, why not go fight for one of his causes, whatever they happen to be? And I don’t mean just clickety clacking away at your keyboard saying “Zappa rulz d00d!”
Get out of your echo chambers and off your computer and actually do something. But you won’t. That’s why you’re here and over at at http://www.zappa.com.
Zappa would disown you all, you useless conformists. You should be ashamed. So go away and buy that collectors box set with unreleased demos and live tracks and pretend that you’re some kind of rebel. You’re not.
Comment by Psycheout — August 4, 2007 @ 9:26 pm |
I’m suprised that there are people like you out there in this world that are so closed-minded to say that people that are different from yourself are “conformist”.
Comment by Zovos — October 16, 2010 @ 3:48 pm |
Sounds like you’re butt hurt that people are calling you out and exposing your stupidity…you’re even whining that they came “3 weeks after it was posted” like there’s a statute of limitations on how much time we have to comment on it. Let’s just face it bub…you’re an ignoramus and the vast majority of people in the world would recognize that immediately.
Comment by HackerJack — August 16, 2013 @ 12:55 pm |
“I like your Christ. I just don’t like your Christians. They are nothing like your christ.” -Ghandi
Comment by Grimpoteuthis — August 4, 2007 @ 10:01 pm |
“It’s actually quite pathetic”.
I tend to think that a person who is a Christian calling for a persons dead body to be exhumed and burnt in a dumpster is significantly more pathetic.
Whether Frank would disown his fans for defending him over false accusations (ie he was demonstrably not a supporter of incest, even the video you posted should be enough evidence of that) pales in comparison to the real truth….
….that if your god actually existed, he won’t be saving a place for you upstairs.
Oh, and ‘Zappa rulz d00d’? lol. It’s not a Linkin Park forum. I’ll fuck a blow up doll of Jesus up the ass if you can find that line anywhere on the entire Zappa forum. And that little bitch will squeal!!
Comment by Tom — August 4, 2007 @ 11:39 pm |
The really strange part of your diatribe against Frank Zappa involves a video in which he is indirectly standing up for your constitutional right to say these things about him in a public medium. (indirect, since internet blogs didn’t exist in 1986) Is this all the Republican Party has left to offer America: misinformation and pure, unadulterated, unfocused hate?
Comment by Approximate — August 5, 2007 @ 12:04 am |
About your important note…
To disprove three of your points, I’m not trying to “help save dead Frank from these awful bullies”, I did not post here to feel groovy alongside an “ignorant herd” of FZ fans, and I don’t care whether you share in this “mindless hero worship”.
What caught my attention is that in the very video posted to verify your points on Frank Zappa, you are proven wrong. You say “Zappa supported incest.” From the video:
Lofton: Do you support records that promote incest as just another kind of sex or in some instances, it might even be preferable. Do you believe that?
Zappa: No, I don’t agree with it; I have no interest in incest.
You continute to promote how RIGHT YOU ARE about Frank Zappa. Well, I now acknowledge (recognize) your topic as insane, or perhaps you’re smart enough to the point where you can corrupt and twist ideas to befit your own agenda.
Comment by Miguel — August 5, 2007 @ 12:46 am |
jerry garcia sucks, skewer that no-talent dope fiend to yer hearts content; hitler’s pretty low; but never [that’s right you heard right] ever compare zappa to jerry farcking garcia
[Ed Note: We understand that you feel rather strongly about the Zappa-Garcia issue, but please refrain from profanity. Think of the children.]
Comment by slime.o — August 5, 2007 @ 1:23 am |
“Zappa would disown you all, you useless conformists. You should be ashamed. So go away and buy that collectors box set with unreleased demos and live tracks and pretend that you’re some kind of rebel. You’re not.” – Comment by Psycheout
First part is just speculation – but yeah, why not. Second part is assuming things about people, AND making crude generalizations about their perceptions of themselves. You would like if the world was so one dimensional? I have news for you: It is not. And thank, whoever or whatever created it, for that! It is a wonderful place with almost infinite opportunities. Just too bad that people like you are on a crusade to make all people alike.
PS: For the record, I don’t think of myself as a rebel. I do not pretend to be one either. So please do accept that people can differ.
Comment by HJ — August 5, 2007 @ 3:29 am |
I humbly apologize to HJ. HJ is no rebel. He’s a blog commenter. Who do you think created G-d’s green earth?
Bonus question: Where did I state that I’m on a crusade to make all people alike?
Thanks for commenting. And I hope you consider expanding your mind (Frank Zappa would appreciate that) by making B4B part of your daily ritual. See what other people are saying and challenge your own preconceptions. It’s what Jesus would do.
Comment by Psycheout — August 5, 2007 @ 4:56 am |
I apologize for the comment “crusade to make all people alike”. I just thought that all the efforts to make people believe in Jesus, were aiming at that. I am happy to learn that this is not the case. It just often seem to me that religious people do take a very one-dimensional approach to life. Like when “Zappa is bad” so nothing less than “He should burn in hell” can suffice. I though the whole thing about preaching (religion and/or politics) was based on an idea of making people believe in the same values, ideas, and so forth. In my book that is like making people alike. But, as said, great if this is not the case.
Note then that the equation “Zappa Fan” = “Moron”, may hold for some and not for others. Just like the equation “Follower of Jesus” = “Person unable to think for him- or herself” may not hold in all cases.
Comment by HJ — August 5, 2007 @ 8:36 am |
RE: “[Ed Note: Bad grammar, foul language and tourettes syndrome: the hallmarks of a Frank Zappa fan.]”
A great shame to see that the Editor has to ridicule unfortunate people with a serious desease in his/her efforts to fight profanity and forster preconceptions! Not the Jesus way, or?
Comment by HJ — August 5, 2007 @ 8:39 am |
I love how people try to turn around stuff like this on Zappa. He did not support incest, he supported the right to not have censorship on labels. Before you come posting a blog like this, please make sure you have your facts straight.
Comment by John — August 5, 2007 @ 10:36 am |
*censorship on cd’s
Comment by John — August 5, 2007 @ 10:36 am |
He didn’t hate America, btw. He loved America, and just didn’t like the way that things were being done. Were pretty much in the same situation today, aren’t we?
Comment by John — August 5, 2007 @ 10:38 am |
”A “true hero?” Okay, how many terrorists did he kill?”
so your definition of a hero is how many people you have killed? how very christian of you. one man’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter.
”
This hero worship thing is ridiculous. Haven’t you heard the one about not putting any false idols before the Lord thy G-d? Ring any bells?”
– Psycheout
LOL.. God = the biggest false idol ever invented.
Comment by Jessie Edwardo — August 5, 2007 @ 12:17 pm |
“…or perhaps you’re smart enough to the point where you can corrupt and twist ideas to befit your own agenda.”
Well said Miguel. Aint that what religion is all about? Non believers are just wrong, wrong wrong!
Nice to see I recieved a reply to my point from “psycheout”. God got your tongue?
Personally, it isnt about my defending Zappa when anyone speaks badly of him, say what you like, I’m pretty sure if he were around he wouldn’t be too bothered what anyone thought of him. He’d be all for you speaking your mind on the subject. Yes, I love his compositions and his work ethic. I also admire greatly that he had the courage throughout his life to stand up for what he believed in, and do so articulately. I just take issue with ignorance, pomposity and the general hypocrisy that surrounds religion.
Comment by Emma — August 5, 2007 @ 6:16 pm |
Frank Zappa – Heavenly Bank Account Lyrics
And if these words you do not heed
Your pocket book just kinda might recede
When some man comes along and claims a godly need
He will clean you out right through your tweed
That’s right, remember there is a big difference between
kneeling down and bending over…
He’s got twenty million dollars
In his Heavenly Bank Account.. .
All from those chumps who was
Born again
Oh yeah, oh yeah
He’s got seven limousines
And a private plane…
All for use of his
Special Friends
Oh yeah, oh yeah
He’s got thousand-dollar suits
And a Wembley Tie…
Girls love to stroke it
While he’s on the phone
Oh yeah, oh yeah
At the House of Representatives
He’s a groovy guy. . .
When he Gives Thanks He is not alone. . .
He is dealin’
He is really dealin’ IRS can’t determine
Where The Hook is
It is easy with the Bible
To pretend that
You’re in Show Biz
They won’t get him
They will never get him
For the naughty stuff
That he did
It is best in cases like this
To pretend that
You are stupid
He’s got Presidential Help
All along the way
He says the grace
While the lawyers chew
Oh yeah
They sure do
And the Governors agree to say: “He’s a lovely man!”
He makes it easier for
Them to screw
All of you…
Yes, that’s true!
‘Cause he helps put
The Fear of God
In the Common Man
Snatchin’ up money
Everywhere he can
Oh yeah Oh yeah
He’s got twenty million dollars
In his Heavenly Bank Account
You ain’t got nothin’, people
You ain’t got nothin’, people
You ain’t got nothin’, people
Thank the man.. .oh yeah
Comment by predo1 — August 5, 2007 @ 6:19 pm |
“Why Sisyphus? So if you don’t attend church you are automatically evil?”
Yes.
“Frank Zappa never advocated it. He sang about. There is a big difference.”
No there isn’t.
“And you went to church I’ll assume, and you don’t appear to be sane thus supporting his statement. It’s people like you that made Frank Zappa the person he bacame.”
I’m the true American here; you and Crank Zappa are not.
“He saw the intollerence and prejudice that has run rampant if American society throughout history and he did something to raise awareness. You are prejudiced. Your views are akewed by your blind (sxtreme)faith. The bible said Jesus loves all gods children. Who are you to go against what Jesus believed.”
Jesus loves you, but if you reject Him enough times you still have to burn in Hellfire for all eternity. Read the Bible. Wise up.
“yeah, error #1 : don’t confuse the message with the messenger.. error #2, what the flub is vegetable lust?!”
Have you ever heard the song? I thought you were a Zappa fan, here!
Comment by Sisyphus — August 5, 2007 @ 7:48 pm |
“so your definition of a hero is how many people you have killed? how very christian of you. one man’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter.”
So, Osama Bin Laden is a freedom fighter to you? Now you know why I say you aren’t real Americans.
Comment by Sisyphus — August 5, 2007 @ 7:51 pm |
Sorry Emma (#50), while I do realize that I’m obligated to reply to every single comment made (over 15k so far), but I didn’t see anything in what you wrote that I needed to respond to.
G-d gave me a tongue as well as the wisdom to know when to use it.
Comment by Psycheout — August 5, 2007 @ 8:14 pm |
And good point, Sisyphus. Can we question their patriotism yet?
Comment by Psycheout — August 5, 2007 @ 9:10 pm |
“Those Jesus freaks, well they’re friendly but, the stuff they believe has got their minds all shut”
– Frank Zappa
[Ed Note: Watch your language!]
Comment by ZutboF — August 5, 2007 @ 10:45 pm |
“I don’t want to see any religious people in public office because they’re working for another boss”
– Frank Zappa
Comment by ZutboF — August 5, 2007 @ 10:49 pm |
Zappa worked for another boss too, Zutbof. His boss’s name was SATAN.
Comment by Sisyphus — August 6, 2007 @ 6:40 am |
Satan.. God… Jesus…. these are all made up figures, you morons. they don’t exist and never have. wake up and smell the sanctified coffee.
”Now you know why I say you aren’t real Americans.”
i’m not american anyway, presumptuous Jesus freak!
Patriotism sucks anyway.
Comment by Jessie Edwardo — August 6, 2007 @ 8:20 am |
“Satan.. God… Jesus…. these are all made up figures, you morons. they don’t exist and never have. wake up and smell the sanctified coffee.”
I’m pretty sure Frank Zappa and Robert Novak are, or were, real people. I don’t know those other two, but they definitely look real as well.
“i’m not american anyway, presumptuous Jesus freak!
Patriotism sucks anyway.”
He admits it! I knew it!
Comment by Sisyphus — August 6, 2007 @ 10:33 am |
How do you know I’m a he?
Always with the presuming. Makes life easier for you I suppose.
Comment by Jessie Edwardo — August 6, 2007 @ 1:28 pm |
Well, the thing with me is my Dad is a born-again but we still have a strong relationship. I get into theological discussions all the time. Back in late 96′, in my senior year in high school, I was forced to move out of my Dad’s house because he and his new girlfriend(who later became his wife), had different viewpoints than myself on spirituality. I remember vividly him dragging me to this thing at his church called, “Heavens Gates, Hell’s Fire”. This event is designed to brainwash people(mostly children) that the only way, good or bad, to make it to heaven was to give your life to Jesus Christ. They used sick,sad examples like a father/son, both good people, but the father never became christian. So they both die in car accident. They go to the pearly gates and god only let’s the son in. Sick brainwashing bullpoop. At the end of this thing, they are asking all these people to come up and give they’re lives to Christ. My Dad and my family kept looking at me. That was kinda the moment I drew a line in the sand as far as my individuality. I never stepped forward. It disgusted me. It broke my Dad’s heart, but I had to stand up for what I believed in. At this time I’d only heard a little bit of FZ’s music and wasn’t aware of his views on the subject. To this day my Dad tries to convert me, and I try to prove him why blind faith doesn’t make any sense. But he is a true christian and doesn’t bad-mouth and belittle people who don’t believe what he believes.
He isn’t about lip-service, and I can respect that. He subscribes to the theory that if you don’t agree with someone’s non-christian views, the christian thing to do is… to forgive. Frank Zappa was one the true original thinkers of our time. How dare you bash his name when you know little to nothing about him. A true christian like my father would be ashamed of people like you. Grow up you immature little fascists. Zappa stood for the constitution. Something you people pervert and twist to meet your agenda. Zappa condoned incest?! Are you f’n delusional?!!! What kind of c hristian would say they would burn someone’s already dead body? Is this the middle ages? Are you still waiting for your thumbs, redeneck half-wits?!!
[Ed Note: No profanity, please. This is a family-friendly website.]
Comment by J.C.GREASYVII — August 6, 2007 @ 3:19 pm |
I know people like Sisyphus and Psycheout exist, but it really scares me to actually review some of their thoughts.
There is nothing worse than the holier than thou segment of this country. The ease with which you have passed judgment about that which you have no idea is nothing short of mind-boggling.
Zappa didn’t “support” incest. He supported free speech in America. The point he was making it that it is not the job of the religious right to decide what is “acceptable” content in music. The crusade to insulate the american public from material deemed “offensive” is ill-conceived, un-American and, if carried out with the assistance of the US Congress, likely unconstitutional. That’s the point.
So please stop with your hellfire and brimstone rhetoric. If there IS such a place for such commentary, it surely is not in connection with Frank Zappa.
In short, lighten up.
Comment by The Black Page — August 6, 2007 @ 4:01 pm |
GO love A SOCK FULL OF RUSTY NAILS!!
[Ed Note: Profanity is not allowed, you cobag.]
Comment by jaypfunk — August 6, 2007 @ 4:32 pm |
GO love A SOCK FULL OF RUSTY NAILS!!!
[Ed Note: Profanity is not allowed, you scum sucking treefrog.]
Comment by jaypfunk — August 6, 2007 @ 4:32 pm |
GO love A SOCK FULL OF RUSTY NAILS!!!!
[Ed Note: Profanity is not allowed, you worthless tool.]
Comment by jaypfunk — August 6, 2007 @ 4:32 pm |
GO love A SOCK FULL OF RUSTY NAILS!!!!!!
[Ed Note: Profanity is not allowed, you loathesome buboe.]
Comment by jaypfunk — August 6, 2007 @ 4:33 pm |
GO love A SOCK FULL OF RUSTY NAILS!!!!!!!
[Ed Note: Profanity is not allowed, you gibbering imbecile. So this is what Zappa fans are like?]
Comment by jaypfunk — August 6, 2007 @ 4:33 pm |
GO love A SOCK FULL OF RUSTY NAILS!!!!!!!!
[Ed Note: Profanity is not allowed, you waste of skin. Are you 12? Get a life.]
Comment by jaypfunk — August 6, 2007 @ 4:33 pm |
Can I get an ” Amen ” and a loud ” Say Jalopeno ” on what J.C. & Black Page just said ????
Comment by Pedro1 — August 6, 2007 @ 4:41 pm |
I think anyone who critisizes someone like Frank Zappa is ignorant. At least this guy supported the protection of our Constitution unlike chumps like Brownback who supports illegal wiretapping and a failed war in Iraq.
Comment by Spacebrother — August 6, 2007 @ 6:32 pm |
Anyone who supports Brownback should be ashamed of themselves. Anyone who calls themselves Christains and supports war is a charlatan and is doing a disservice to people of faith. Wake up and observe reality. Otherwise you’ll turn America into a fascist theocracy like Iran, Afganistan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Pakistan ect….
Don’t be fooled by this phoney or his supporters.
Comment by Spacebrother — August 6, 2007 @ 6:39 pm |
Thanks for sharing, jaypfunk. I’m going to let your comments stand. They help demonstrate how “enlightened” Zappa fans and the other members of the “reality-based” community are.
“So please stop with your hellfire and brimstone rhetoric. If there IS such a place for such commentary, it surely is not in connection with Frank Zappa.”
Zappa hated God in spite of God’s infinite love for him. Now he’s paying the price for his stiff-necked defiance of the Order in the Universe.
“At least this guy supported the protection of our Constitution unlike chumps like Brownback who supports illegal wiretapping and a failed war in Iraq.”
The Constitution is not a suicide pact, and those who push a loaded gun into America’s hands are not its defenders. Frank Zappa hated America almost as much as he hated Jesus.
“Anyone who supports Brownback should be ashamed of themselves.”
Anyone who doesn’t support Brownback is ignorant at best, traitorous at worst.
Comment by Sisyphus — August 6, 2007 @ 7:03 pm |
Watching those old fogies try and discredit Frank was hilarious. Mr Zappa conducted himself very well while under the barrage of gibbersish.
You religious zealots take everything out of context. Go back and actually LISTEN to Frank’s message. It is NOT what you say it is.
I’d say the final score was FZ 9, old farts 1.
Comment by zombie1210 — August 6, 2007 @ 7:20 pm |
Watching those old fogies try and discredit Frank was hilarious. Mr Zappa conducted himself very well while under the barrage of gibbersish. ”
Mr. Zappa was “beaten down.” He was so out-argued, it probably made him begin to seriously wish he had never been born.
Were you even watching the same clip as the rest of us, zombie? Click on he “play” cursor in the middle of the Youtube video if you want to see the one we were watching.
Comment by Sisyphus — August 6, 2007 @ 7:27 pm |
Dumb All Over by Frank Zappa
Whoever we are
Wherever were from
We shoulda noticed by now
Our behavior is dumb
And if our chances
Expect to improve
Its gonna take a lot more
Than tryin to remove
The other race
Or the other whatever
From the face
Of the planet altogether
They call it the earth
Which is a dumb kinda name
But they named it right
cause we behave the same…
We are dumb all over
Dumb all over,
Yes we are
Dumb all over,
Near n far
Dumb all over,
Black n white
People, we is not wrapped tight
Nurds on the left
Nurds on the right
Religous fanatics
On the air every night
Sayin the bible
Tells the story
Makes the details
Sound real gory
bout what to do
If the geeks over there
Dont believe in the book
We got over here
You cant run a race
Without no feet
n pretty soon
There wont be no street
For dummies to jog on
Or doggies to dog on
Religous fanatics
Can make it be all gone
(I mean it wont blow up
n disappear
Itll just look ugly
For a thousand years…)
You cant run a country
By a book of religion
Not by a heap
Or a lump or a smidgeon
Of foolish rules
Of ancient date
Designed to make
You all feel great
While you fold, spindle
And mutilate
Those unbelievers
From a neighboring state
To arms! to arms!
Hooray! thats great
Two legs aint bad
Unless theres a crate
They ship the parts
To mama in
For souvenirs: two ears (get down!)
Not his, not hers, (but what the hey? )
The good book says:
(it gotta be that way!)
But their book says:
Revenge the crusades…
With whips n chains
n hand grenades…
Two arms? two arms?
Have another and another
Our God says:
There aint no other!
Our God says
Its all okay!
Our God says
This is the way!
It says in the book:
Burn n destroy…
n repent, n redeem
n revenge, n deploy
n rumble thee forth
To the land of the unbelieving scum on the other side
cause they dont go for whats in the book
n that makes em bad
So verily we must choppeth them up
And stompeth them down
Or rent a nice french bomb
To poof them out of existance
While leaving their real estate just where we need it
To use again
For temples in which to praise our god
(cause he can really take care of business!)
And when his humble tv servant
With humble white hair
And humble glasses
And a nice brown suit
And maybe a blond wife who takes phone calls
Tells us our God says
Its okay to do this stuff
Then we gotta do it,
cause if we dont do it,
We aint gwine up to hebbin!
(depending on which book youre using at the
Time…cant use theirs… it dont work
…its all lies…gotta use mine…)
Aint that right?
Thats what they say
Every night…
Every day…
Hey, we cant really be dumb
If were just following gods orders
Hey, lets get serious…
God knows what hes doin
He wrote this book here
An the book says:
He made us all to be just like him,
So…
If were dumb…
Then God is dumb…
(an maybe even a little ugly on the side)
[Ed Note: In the future, why not just post an excerpt and link to the rest? Commenters are more interesting when they use their own words rather than copying somebody else’s. This is a political blog, not a lyric site.]
Comment by zombie1210 — August 6, 2007 @ 7:32 pm |
Those commentators would not let him speak, without interrupting him.
They were dumb all over.
I find it funny how hiding behind God allow people to take everything anyone else says, and turn it into EVIL.
God would not like such twisting of his philosophies.
As Ghandi said, “I like Christ. I don’t like Chritians.”
Comment by zombie1210 — August 6, 2007 @ 7:35 pm |
“The Constitution is not a suicide pact, and those who push a loaded gun into America’s hands are not its defenders. Frank Zappa hated America almost as much as he hated Jesus.”
Ironic coming from someone who’ll gladly drink the Koolade and denigrate the principles set up by our founding fathers. Brownback supporting Conservatives sound like Commies. No wonder they got creamed in the last election. America disagrees with your views. You folks belong in Communist China or with Bin Laden in Pakistan. You hate America and take the Lords name in vane by calling yourselves Christains and supporting war.
“Anyone who doesn’t support Brownback is ignorant at best, traitorous at worst.”
Ironic coming from a supporter of a guy who not only supports protecting treasonous people like Cheney and Scooter Libby but also protected a convicted pedophile like Mark Foley.
Support Ron Paul. He’s the only Republican candidate who gets it.
Comment by spacebrother — August 6, 2007 @ 7:43 pm |
“[Ed Note: In the future, why not just post an excerpt and link to the rest? Commenters are more interesting when they use their own words rather than copying somebody else’s. This is a political blog, not a lyric site.]”
Typical. You are an idiot. That song is a HUGE political commentary.
You must read it in its entirety to get it.
Why post a link? That’s dumb.
Comment by zombie1210 — August 6, 2007 @ 8:39 pm |
Gandhi is burning in Hell too, now, zombie.
Comment by Sisyphus — August 7, 2007 @ 5:54 am |
This forum will burn in hell for being so judgemental.
Your self righteousness and pompousness are only outweighed by your foolishness.
So, does this person you are supporting share your views?
If he does, he’s a real idiot.
Comment by zombie1210 — August 7, 2007 @ 6:58 am |
“This forum will burn in hell for being so judgemental.”
Oh, sorry, I didn’t realize you were God. So, are You trying to tell us that what You wrote in the Bible is untrue? (/snark)
“Your self righteousness and pompousness are only outweighed by your foolishness.”
I don’t like you either, Hellbound.
“So, does this person you are supporting share your views?”
Of course. Be sure to vote for him. Vote for him now, or repent it every day of eternity in Perdition later.
Comment by Sisyphus — August 7, 2007 @ 9:39 am |
Hey there, I’m another Zappa fan coming to spoil your party. A few comments:
1) Linking Zappa with supporting incest is just so far off the mark. Certainly that video doesn’t support that view. Of all the things to take issue with Zappa about, you could have found something a little more substantial than that. I acknowledge that people of your upbringing may have plenty to quibble about in the Zappa legacy – hey, he made a lot of people uncomfortable, but that’s part of what makes him special. Playing devil’s advocate (oops.. can I say that here?), one could potentially misinterpret some lyrics from the Absolutely Free album (as mentioned at the top of this blog) as supporting incest. But the ironic thing is, Zappa was actually pointing the finger at the straight society (like you guys for example) for the repressed “sinful” desires lurking below the surface. Believe me, you guys are not ALL saints…
2) I noticed “psycheout” purposely avoids spelling out the word G-d. That’s adorable! Don’t want to wake the Big Guy up now, do we?
Comment by feetlightup — August 7, 2007 @ 10:38 am |
If Zappa’s in hell, I wonder what he said to Jerry Falwell when he showed up.
Comment by Saint Isidore — August 7, 2007 @ 11:26 am |
“I acknowledge that people of your upbringing may have plenty to quibble about in the Zappa legacy – hey, he made a lot of people uncomfortable, but that’s part of what makes him special.”
And he’s paying for it now, alongside Gandhi and all the rest of the disbelievers.
“Believe me, you guys are not ALL saints…”
I am confident that my sins are far less mortal than yours, fornicator.
Comment by Sisyphus — August 7, 2007 @ 12:43 pm |
LOL for days….these guys are hillarious. ‘Fornicator’, ‘hellbound’……lol.
I think they’re serious about it too! Prayse Jay-sus….for even the stupid Brownholes have merit in the eyes of their stupid god.
Browncrack: thanks for the laffs. I showed the guys at work, and they thought it was funny as hell. I guess you weren’t really aiming for comic relief with your site, but hey, better luck next time.
Comment by Tom — August 7, 2007 @ 1:56 pm |
Sisyphus and Psycheout MUST be turning off any curious people they meet with their Holy Shtick. Of course, LET the intimidated scurry into your clique – THEY DESERVE IT.
Comment by Miguel — August 7, 2007 @ 2:57 pm |
If anyone religious or non-religious actually objectively watched and listened to that Crossfire segment they would realize that everything that Mr. Zappa says comes from a articulate, thoughtful right thinking human being. Period. If you disagree your blind faith and brain-washed mind have made you delusional. Fascist theocracy becomes more and more of a reality everyday. That is nothing to be proud of. We got a serious problem in this country and it isn’t people like FZ. Puritanical crusading should be left in less civilized times. We should be thinking about space travel and progression, not playing brain police on our own people.
IF A PERSON IS EDUCATED,THINKING HUMAN BEING, NOTHING THAT ANYONE CAN SAY WILL SWAY THAT PERSON’S MIND. EXCEPT THEMSELVES.
Comment by J.C.GREASYVII — August 7, 2007 @ 3:20 pm |
Somebody I won;t embarrass by naming wrote:
“Anyone who doubts his depravity has to defend the lyrics to the album “Absolutely Free,” in which he advocates child molestation and vegetable lust.”
I have two wordS you desperately need to look up:
1) Satire and
2) irony.
Comment by The voice of sanity — August 7, 2007 @ 3:46 pm |
Syphysus is way over the deep end. He is blinded to the real world. It is HE WHO JUDGES ALL OTHERS, who will be roasting his ass in hell.
Remember JUDGE NOT< LEST YE SHALL BE JUDGED?
Nah…you forgot that part because your agenda gets in the way.
Fool.
Comment by zombie1210 — August 7, 2007 @ 4:55 pm |
“Zappa hated God in spite of God’s infinite love for him. Now he’s paying the price for his stiff-necked defiance of the Order in the Universe.”
Frank Zappa did not “hate” God. Frank Zappa hated people like you who preach about God to others in a blindly, myopic manner. Telling everyone who doesn’t go to church on Sunday that they are going to hell is absurd.
In reading some of these posts I had to stop and wonder if they were meant to be a joke. I just can’t imagine some of these comments I’ve read from Sisyphus are meant to be taken seriously. I will say, however, that if you are serious, then you are ill Sisyphus. Moreover, if the God you believe in exists, then the attitude you portray in his name does his a grave disservice.
Go see a therapist. You are not well.
Comment by The Black Page — August 7, 2007 @ 4:56 pm |
“Of course. Be sure to vote for him. Vote for him now, or repent it every day of eternity in Perdition later.”
I guess your candidate IS Jesus Christ, after all.
People that share your closed view of the real world can never be elected in this country. It won’t happen.
You are as much a FANATIC as the Muslim FANATICS are. Different religion, same line of crap.
Comment by zombie1210 — August 7, 2007 @ 4:58 pm |
What if Brownie gets in the white house,
And suddenly —
The rights of certain people disappear
Mysteriously?
Now, wouldnt that sort of qualify
As an american tragedy?
(especially if he covers it up, sayin
jesus told it to me!)
I hope we never see that day,
In the land of the free —
Or someday will we?
Will we?
And if you dont know by now,
The truth of what Im tellin you,
Then, surely I have failed somehow —
And jesus will think Im a jerk, just like you —
If you let those tv preachers
Make a monkey out of you!
I said:
jesus will think youre a jerk
And it would be true!
Theres an old rugged cross
In the land of cotton —
Its still burnin on somebodys lawn
And it still smells rotten
Comment by zombie1210 — August 7, 2007 @ 7:28 pm |
Zappa worked for another boss too, Zutbof. His boss’s name was SATAN.
Brownback works for another boss as well Sisyphus. His name is money (better known as greed and corruption). Money IS the root of ALL evil.
Going after entertainers like Frank Zappa and Jerry Garcia are merely diversionary tactics to avoid taking responsibility for a failed Iraq policy, cover-ups for pedophiles like Mark Foley, cover-ups for indiscretions through the DC Madam, treason by members of the executive branch, failure to maintain our infrastructure (New Orleans, bridge in Minnesota ect ect.) and the culture of corruption that the Republican party has become. It is’nt the party of Lincoln anymore.
Many if not most Zappa fans are conservatives who are’nt you’re typical music fans but much more intellectual than you would expect.
As far as patriotism goes I have a question for Psycheout, Sisyphus, Adam Nelson, Helen Bock, Bob Baffet and Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crocket…….
Who of you currently serves in the military?
Anyone of you who answer no are nothing more than Armchair Patriots while others make sacrifices for your comforts. Only when you’ve served your country in the military yourself can you truly claim to be a true patriot.
Comment by spacebrother — August 7, 2007 @ 8:47 pm |
I think we should dig zappa corpse up and piss on it!
[Ed Note: You first!]
Comment by wanker — August 7, 2007 @ 11:20 pm |
Why the heck are you concentrating on a guy thats been dead for 13 years when you are supposedly trying to get some one elected.
Where the heck is your focus and priorities retard!?!??
[Ed Note: Watch that potty mouth, wanker. This is a family friendly site. Of the 450 well-researched and objective articles on this site, only one is about deadie Frank Zappa. So take a chill pill, d00d.]
Comment by wanker — August 7, 2007 @ 11:25 pm |
“Why the heck are you concentrating on a guy thats been dead for 13 years when you are supposedly trying to get some one elected.”
Because the legacy of his depravity haunts us to this day. Brownback is going to restore decency to America, and wash away the taint of this national moral disgrace.
Comment by Sisyphus — August 8, 2007 @ 6:13 am |
Me: “Believe me, you guys are not ALL saints…”
Sisyphus: “I am confident that my sins are far less mortal than yours, fornicator.”
Well obviously. It’s clear to all 97 respondents so far on this blog that you’re a saint. It’s too bad you’re a dying breed… And how did you know I was a fornicator? I thought only my wife knew.
Comment by feetlightup — August 8, 2007 @ 10:51 am |
“Because the legacy of his depravity haunts us to this day. Brownback is going to restore decency to America, and wash away the taint of this national moral disgrace.”
If you are haunted by Frank Zappa’s legacy, might I recommend Ghostbusters?
Comment by The Black Page — August 8, 2007 @ 11:25 am |
If you are haunted by Frank Zappa’s legacy, might I recommend Ghostbusters?”
That was a movie. This is real life. Please note the difference.
Comment by Sisyphus — August 8, 2007 @ 12:06 pm |
Seeing as how you guys conveniently avoided my question I’ll mask again……
As far as patriotism goes I have a question for Psycheout, Sisyphus, Adam Nelson, Helen Bock, Bob Baffet and Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crocket…….
Who of you currently serves in the military?
Comment by Spacebrother — August 8, 2007 @ 1:43 pm |
“If you are haunted by Frank Zappa’s legacy, might I recommend Ghostbusters?”
That was a movie. This is real life. Please note the difference.”
You are right, this is real life. Might I then recommend that you get one?
Comment by The Black Page — August 8, 2007 @ 2:31 pm |
There is nothing worse that a religious zealot with a political agenda.
Remember SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE?
Remember where that comes from?
Not from SATAN, that’s for sure.
Comment by zombie1210 — August 8, 2007 @ 4:42 pm |
http://www.thegodmovie.com/dvd.php?gclid=CL_Sxo395o0CFQ1dPgod5xxgzw
Comment by ZutboF — August 8, 2007 @ 4:45 pm |
“You are right, this is real life. Might I then recommend that you get one?”
Christianity is the only life worthy of the name, you Zappafarian fornicating incesticator.
Comment by Sisyphus — August 9, 2007 @ 7:25 am |
Syphillis,
You are the type of Chritian who gives all Chrisitans a bad name.
You are:
Ignorant.
Uninformed.
Judgemental.
Illogical.
Hypocritical.
And just plain dumb.
Your candidate stands no chance of getting elected.
Give it up. America is not ready for mind control.
Comment by zombie1210 — August 9, 2007 @ 6:51 pm |
Ahnd yew cant spel.
Comment by Psycheout — August 9, 2007 @ 8:12 pm |
You people say you practice a religion that is open-minded and loving. I’m not making any attacks upon Christians (nor would I make any attacks on any religion), in fact, I am an Episcopalian, but all the postings I’ve read on this blog by Sisyphus and others have been controlling, vindictive, and hypocritical. Now, listen, jerk off. We’ve already established that Zappa did not support incest. You have no facts, you have no evidence. That argument should have been over a long time ago. If you can’t think of a new one, you have no place to be debating at all. You already have lost any debatable esteem you might have had by being bull-headed and saying the same thing over and over again. Also: no one makes you listen to Frank Zappa. If you don’t like his music, you don’t have to listen to it. This country was founded on reasonably simple rules, one of which is freedom of speech. He has the right to say whatever he wants to, and so do you, but you don’t have to repeat your falty arguments thirty times thinking it’ll eventually drown out ours.
Specifically directed at Sisyphus – you are a blatant hypocrit who has no sense of logic, but then we can’t blame you if you have a close-minded view of life. It’ll all be worth it when you get to heaven and Jesus laughs in your face.
P.S. – “A mind is like a parachute. It doesn’t work unless it’s open.” –Frank Zappa
Comment by neutronnate — August 9, 2007 @ 10:34 pm |
Look, I understand how some of you feel. Misunderstanding breeds hate. Zappa was open with his opinions, and people who don’t like them find it easy to attack such a man. I find myself doing the same at times to others. But you have to realize that what you’re doing goes against what you preach – what the Bible preaches. You speak as if you know what you’re talking about, but all I’m hearing is judgement, Perdition, and crap from the Book of Revelations. Jesus preached many messages, but the two most important ones (that apply in this case) were open-mindedness and love for the rest of humanity. While I see that you could easily say, “Frank Zappa had no love for the rest of humantiy; he was a cynic and a satirist who bluntly stated his opinions in an insulting manner,” I have to admit that Zappa was no saint either. But it was open-mindedness that allowed Christianity to flourish and spread in the first place. There wasn’t a massive revelation where everyone realized that Christianity was better than what they were doing (not saying it was or is) after which everyone became a Christian – it took hundreds of years for it to be spread across Western Europe alone. You cannot attack someone just because of their beliefs or opinons; don’t you see that that was just what the crusades or the inquisition did? Surely you can’t argue that those were good things.
Comment by neutronnate — August 9, 2007 @ 10:50 pm |
Behold, the first prophet of Zappianity.
Comment by Psycheout — August 9, 2007 @ 11:04 pm |
Very funny. A great rebuttal. And it only took you fourteen minutes to come up with and type that.
Comment by neutronnate — August 9, 2007 @ 11:08 pm |
Oh, and you can stop with the “anti-American” bullpoop. Really. I do have pride in my country, and so did Zappa. He was a satirist, not a terrorist.
[Ed Note: Please watch your language. This is a family friendly website.]
Comment by neutronnate — August 9, 2007 @ 11:10 pm |
“Behold, the first prophet of Zappianity.” -Psycheout
That’s all you have?!
This ideology is busted. You took a Christian formula, through some hatred and intimidation methods into the mix, and came up with something that could scare straight a few suckers, but this recipe REEKS, and it just so happens that these guests can identify the stench. It doesn’t matter whether you can face it or not, Psycheout and Sisyphus – this is the REAL end of the topic’s story.
Comment by Miguel — August 10, 2007 @ 12:11 am |
Seriously. Anyway, do you guys have a rebuttal for that point a minute ago? Because psycheout just kind of wussed out there and didn’t give an argument.
[Ed Note: The B4B Team does not monitor Zappa related threads 24/7. Sorry to disappoint you.]
Comment by neutronnate — August 10, 2007 @ 12:40 am |
“Also: no one makes you listen to Frank Zappa. If you don’t like his music, you don’t have to listen to it. This country was founded on reasonably simple rules, one of which is freedom of speech. He has the right to say whatever he wants to, and so do you, but you don’t have to repeat your falty arguments thirty times thinking it’ll eventually drown out ours.”
The maniac sinners who go around rampaging, killing, and stealing DO listen to this kind of filth, however. It’s where they get the idea. This is one of the reasons why we regulate (or ought to, anyway) un-Christian ideas.
“Specifically directed at Sisyphus – you are a blatant hypocrit who has no sense of logic, but then we can’t blame you if you have a close-minded view of life. It’ll all be worth it when you get to heaven and Jesus laughs in your face.”
Thank you for the ad hominems and pseudo-religious delusions! Satan will likely find your soul especially comely, sinner!
“Oh, and you can stop with the “anti-American” bullpoop. Really. I do have pride in my country, and so did Zappa. He was a satirist, not a terrorist.”
Anyone who favors incest is no better than Osama Bin Laden.
“This ideology is busted. You took a Christian formula, through some hatred and intimidation methods into the mix, and came up with something that could scare straight a few suckers, but this recipe REEKS, and it just so happens that these guests can identify the stench. It doesn’t matter whether you can face it or not, Psycheout and Sisyphus – this is the REAL end of the topic’s story.”
This language sounds like English, but it isn’t. Could you try again, please?
Comment by Sisyphus — August 10, 2007 @ 5:22 am |
First of all, can we try to have a civilized debate, here? I know that earlier I said some things that attacked you guys personally. I’m sorry. Look, that isn’t getting us anywhere in this argument. We’re just clashing ideologies, and when that doesn’t work we resort to name-calling. I’m not just talking about the people on your side, so you can’t get me there.
Anyway, here are my rebuttals:
“The maniac sinners who go around rampaging, killing, and stealing DO listen to this kind of filth, however. It’s where they get the idea.”
If this is where your anger at Zappa lies, you need to listen. Do you have any evidence or backing? Have you taken any polls in which you found that some high percentage of looters, rapists, or murderers have listened to Frank Zappa? I can understand why people might see a connection and think it necessary to monitor such ideas, but no connection is really present.
“Satan will likely find your soul especially comely, sinner!”
Listen, I apologize for the comment that rebuttal was to. Neither of those can get us anywhere. If anything, that’s just reinforcing the other side’s views. So please don’t call us sinners or try to impose you guy’s beliefs.
“Anyone who favors incest is no better than Osama Bin Laden.”
Zappa didn’t support incest, as we’ve already made clear. PLEASE DON’T TRY TO AVOID A REBUTTAL TO THIS ONE. I want you to give me some facts in which it is made clear that Zappa was a supporter of incest. Don’t use the video, because that is cropped and doesn’t represent his full view. If you’ll notice, he never once said, “I support incest.” He used it as a parallel.
“This language sounds like English, but it isn’t. Could you try again, please?”
Try to come up with a rebuttal. When you avoid a point, it sends a bad message. If you couldn’t deal with that, I will “try again:”
What you talk about goes openly against the teachings of Jesus Christ, who you talk about in reverance on here on several occasions. You talk about how others have been looting and killing with disgust, but then you talk about digging up people’s bodies and burning them. Also, I’ve been reading several other blogs in which you attack homosexuals and other people with different idealogies. People say disturbing things like my only regret is that they didn’t shoot a few of them. Think of the Good Samaritan. Remember the Sermon on the Mount! According to Christ, we were supposed to love everyone, including people we don’t agree with. Also, you try to indimidate us and your other opponents with things like, “You’re going to burn in hell,” or, my favorite, “Satan will find your soul especially comely.”
Comment by neutronnate — August 10, 2007 @ 9:49 am |
“Listen, I apologize for the comment that rebuttal was to. Neither of those can get us anywhere. If anything, that’s just reinforcing the other side’s views. So please don’t call us sinners or try to impose you guy’s beliefs.”
I appreciate what you’re trying to do here. Unfortunately, I’m not trying to impose my beliefs, merely express them. Those views state quite clearly that those not agreeing with me will face Hellfire. How can I discuss a religious issue without bringing up this particular point?
“Zappa didn’t support incest, as we’ve already made clear. PLEASE DON’T TRY TO AVOID A REBUTTAL TO THIS ONE. I want you to give me some facts in which it is made clear that Zappa was a supporter of incest. Don’t use the video, because that is cropped and doesn’t represent his full view. If you’ll notice, he never once said, “I support incest.” He used it as a parallel.”
There’s a song on “Absolutely Free” called “Brown Shoes Don’t Make It.” That song explicitly endorsed incest.
One could also make a case that some of the songs in “Joe’s Garage” explicitly embrace homosexual views, as well as fornication and sodomy.
I could go on, but I think those two albums make my point well enough. The less said about “Sheikh Yerbouti,” the better.
Comment by Sisyphus — August 10, 2007 @ 11:59 am |
Okay, fair enough. You can express your views if you’d like, but saying that those who don’t agree with you will burn in Hellfire smothers the views of other people.
I know the song “Brown Shoes Don’t Make It.” Absolutely Free is one of my favorite albums by Frank. “Brown Shoes Don’t Make It” is about the people who run the government. It’s entirely satirical. These people, according to Zappa, make laws that keep people in line, but do not realize the fact that the restrictions that they place are hypocritical and only intensify sexual frustration in the younger (or older) generations. The fact that the mayor is having sex with a thirteen year old girl while his wife is out doesn’t advocate pedophelia, it mocks the mayor and satirizes the blatant hypocrosy in our government. The part that could be called incest merely serves to reinforce the satire on the other end. In the interview, he clearly states that he has no interest in incest. Listen to his explanation of why people write about incest. Acknowledging something exists and advocating it are two totally different things. Not everything in life is pretty, and writing solely about what is nice and comely is to ignore most of life itself. To supress such ideas or depictions is fascism.
Ultimately, what this all comes down to is supression of ideas. I know the comparison I’m about to make is probably going to make a lot of people angry, but just think about it: How would you feel if Christianity were supressed? If all the Christians in the world were forced to hide what they believe and convert to another religion? If suddenly the government of the United States or any hypothetical country decided they wanted to erase all documentation of Christianity, all Christian identities, or anything pertaining or relating to Christianity as a whole? I should imagine it would make you guys really angry. It would make non-Christians very angry as well. So you might dismiss this as asinine: such a thing could never happen, right? Of course not. It’ strictly hypothetical. But if you supress one thing in favor of another, where does that stop? Supressing certain ideas based on a moral code that is derived from a certain religion is fascist theocracy. If you look at societies in which fascist theocracies have been set up, there is something in common in all of them: their suppression of ideas and theories eventually lead to their downfall. In fact, many of you openly say you are against Islam, Hinduism, and other Eastern religions. You claim to be enemies of Islamofascism, but then say that it is okay to be Christian fascists.
Comment by neutronnate — August 10, 2007 @ 2:12 pm |
I don’t know why I’m bothering, but I’d like to address the following:
“There’s a song on “Absolutely Free” called “Brown Shoes Don’t Make It.” That song explicitly endorsed incest.” – Sisyphus
OK, taken out of context, the words “smother my daughter in chocolate syrup” are pretty shocking. But BEFORE that, it goes, “A world of secret hungers / Perverting THE MEN WHO MAKE YOUR LAWS / Every desire is hidden away….”
See, THAT’S who’s doing the chocolate syrup thing. He ACKNOWLEDGES that it’s perverted, and DOES NOT endorse what these hypothetical law-makers are doing. So he deals with it lyrically in a way that will GET YOUR ATTENTION so you might say, “Hmm… I wonder if any of my Senators are doing the same thing…?”
No more comments from me. I’ve said my piece. Best of luck in the election.
Comment by feetlightup — August 10, 2007 @ 2:26 pm |
“This language sounds like English, but it isn’t. Could you try again, please?”
Your linguistic impairments don’t help you. Sure, I’ll give it another go.
I believe this topic was created merely to enforce a brainwashed followings’ twisted religion. You fail to reach me, and I’m glad. People NEED NOT BE AGAINST religion to realize this is a ruse. (LAST POST)
Comment by Miguel — August 10, 2007 @ 2:38 pm |
Syphhilis is a zealot.
Over the top.
Off the deep end.
He KNOWS who shall go the hell?
He sits in judgement of us all. HE is the BIG SINNER.
Comment by zombie1210 — August 10, 2007 @ 5:48 pm |
neutronnate hit the nail on the head.
I also noticed that not only were my questions never answered but there is no logical rebuttal.
Where is the evidence that rapists, murderers, terrorists, pedophiles, people who have had incest were influenced by Zappa’s music? Anything? Any evidence or proof? Links? Surveys? Documentation?
Comment by spacebrother — August 11, 2007 @ 4:06 am |
Frank Zappa wrote on taboo topics, because he had the courage to show the stupidity of human being.
He did what he wanted, without been a sheep. The majority of people are not enough strong to think by themself, they need leaders. Zappa taught us to think by ourself and be free in our mind. The present world is not ready to be free, it need a couple other lessons. Zappa’s music built free men. That’s why Zappa rarely play on radio, because the government do not want free men, they want little hypnotized sheep. Zappa’s music is underground and grow slowly and one day, maybe in 100 years, it will be one of the most popular.
Sorry for my poor english, it is not my language.
Comment by ZutboF — August 12, 2007 @ 1:31 am |
So he wrote about you, ZutboF?
You’re making me sick now. Are you pleasuring yourself as you type?
Your English is great. It’s your ideas that are repugnant.
Comment by Psycheout — August 12, 2007 @ 1:53 am |
Yes he did and i am proud to be normal.
Yeah i had an orgasm when i typed.
Thanks i didn’t learned it at church. what is repugnant in my ideas?
Comment by ZutboF — August 12, 2007 @ 5:06 pm |
Zutbof I agree with you. Frank Zappa wrote music about topics that others would not touch. He did this to bring about awareness in an otherwise apathetic world. The fact this is being discussed right now means he accomplished this task. The people who post on this blog use blind hate and igorance to try spread their message. I do not take offence to their comments but I try to understand their point of view. Everyone has an opinion and I enjoy the freedom to express mine.
Psycheout sorry the mans comments make you sick. Maybe you can pray for a cure.
God bless.
Comment by thebomb — August 12, 2007 @ 5:19 pm |
Well, I wasn’t entirely sure what to say about this, but then I noticed what it’s been filed under.
“Filed under: Perverts, Democratic Idiocy, Controlling Birth Control, Weirdos and Hippies, Idiocy”
Only one thing comes to mind… LOL wut?
Comment by Chapekaloco — August 13, 2007 @ 7:22 pm |
Didn’t Jerry Lee Lewis marry his 13 year old cousin?
Comment by Ann O'Maly — August 14, 2007 @ 12:51 pm |
Chuck Berry liked ’em young…
Comment by zombie1210 — August 15, 2007 @ 5:00 pm |
Hooeeee,
Sorry I been away….I had to go f*** Syphiluss’ mother up the a** a few times. Ahhh, and it was gooood. She took her teeth out for me as well. Mmmmm. lol.
Just had a read of the posts….yep, nothing new really. Brownback weirdos are atill wrong and still going to hell, everyone else doing just fine.
[Ed Note: Try to resist using lurid and profane sexual imagery, please.]
Comment by Tom — August 15, 2007 @ 9:06 pm |
OK I’ll try.
Fornicationwit.
Ooops, sorry, have to try harder.
LOL.
[Ed Note: Much harder.]
Comment by Tom — August 15, 2007 @ 10:02 pm |
“You claim to be enemies of Islamofascism, but then say that it is okay to be Christian fascists.”
As Barry Goldwater once said, “Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice.” The same concept applies to the defense of Christianity.
“Where is the evidence that rapists, murderers, terrorists, pedophiles, people who have had incest were influenced by Zappa’s music? Anything? Any evidence or proof? Links? Surveys? Documentation?”
The last 40 years of anti-American counterculture ringing a bell?
Comment by Sisyphus — August 17, 2007 @ 8:39 pm |
Ding-ding-ding! We have a winner!
Comment by Psycheout — August 17, 2007 @ 8:55 pm |
“The last 40 years of anti-American counterculture ringing a bell?”
That has nothing to do with it! What, you seriously think that rapists, murderers, pedophiles, or commiters of incest do it because they hate America? And you think that they did it solely because FZ influenced them to do so? And the fact that you are using Goldwater as an example to try and prove your point is just sad. He lost the 1964 election to Johnson in a landslide. He was a reactionary who crusaded against the federal government. While I can see why you may like him for basically paving the road for younger conservatives, Goldwater was only an active leader of conservatives for one year or so. People who had supported him mainly started rallying behind Reagan. In fact, by the 1980s, the increasing influence of the Christian Right on the Republican Party so conflicted with Goldwater’s libertarian views that he became a vocal opponent of the religious right on issues such as abortion and gay rights. He became the exact opposite of what you claim to be! He was libertarian and said that religion SHOULD NOT have power or influence over those controversial subjects. How can you then use him as a possible argument?
Comment by neutronnate — August 19, 2007 @ 12:25 pm |
Because he is an idiot.
Comment by zombie1210 — August 19, 2007 @ 5:42 pm |
“Where is the evidence that rapists, murderers, terrorists, pedophiles, people who have had incest were influenced by Zappa’s music? Anything? Any evidence or proof? Links? Surveys? Documentation?”
The last 40 years of anti-American counterculture ringing a bell?
Comment by Sisyphus — August 17, 2007 @ 8:39 pm
You failed to answer the question. When conservative extremeists have no logical answers they resort to the typical J Edgar Hoover type rhetoric (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover ) that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject. Rape, incest pedophilia, murder and terrorism have been around long before Zappa’s (and Christ’s) time and the perpetrators are almost always conservative extremist religious fanatics. Has nothing to do with counter-culture are Americanisms of any sort.
The bells that are ringing are Hells bells which are the welcoming rings for all the charlatans who claim to be Christain but support warfare.
Comment by spacebrother — August 19, 2007 @ 11:37 pm |
Give it up, spacebro. Smoke some dope and shoot some extasy but leave us sane Americans alone. OK, thanks, bye!
Comment by Psycheout — August 19, 2007 @ 11:56 pm |
Frank Zappa is not dead!! – ZutboF
Comment by ZutboF — August 20, 2007 @ 1:42 am |
Give it up, spacebro. Smoke some dope and shoot some extasy but leave us sane Americans alone. OK, thanks, bye!
Comment by Psycheout — August 19, 2007 @ 11:56 pm
Nice try but you still refuse to answer the question so I’ll ask again.
Where is the evidence that rapists, murderers, terrorists, pedophiles, people who have had incest were influenced by Zappa’s music? Anything? Any evidence or proof? Links? Surveys? Documentation?
and also……
1. I don’t use drugs. Never have, never will.
2. You so-called sane American/charlatans are the cause and not solution of the problems in our culture.
3. Frank Zappa was never part of the Hooverian labeled “Counter Culture” but paradied it frequently.
The bells that are ringing are Hells bells which are the welcoming rings for all the charlatans who claim to be Christain but support warfare. You’re living a lie if you believe otherwise.
Comment by Spacebrother — August 20, 2007 @ 12:48 pm |
What strange people you American religious types are. Amusing, too, in your own little way.
Comment by Kevin — August 22, 2007 @ 4:29 am |
Whatever, Kevin. What Third-World filth-hole are you from?
Comment by Sisyphus — August 28, 2007 @ 2:37 pm |
While I’m fairly ambivalent about this post and the resulting comments,
You don’t “Shoot up” MDMA, Sisyphus. Duh.
Comment by donkspeedonkdonk — August 28, 2007 @ 3:02 pm |
I didn’t say that, Donk. Psycheout did. Anyway, I’m sure people shoot up most drugs. Where there’s a will, there’s a way.
Comment by Sisyphus — August 28, 2007 @ 3:16 pm |
Nah. Shooting up is the worst possible ingestion method. And my apologies, I can’t tell you two apart sometimes!
Comment by donkspeedonkdonk — August 28, 2007 @ 3:29 pm |
“Nah. Shooting up is the worst possible ingestion method.”
I wouldn’t know. Anyway, as I said, where there’s a will, there’s a way. Remember your Onion. They’re probably America-haters, but they do write a decent satire now and then.
Comment by Sisyphus — August 28, 2007 @ 3:40 pm |
“Remember your Onion. They’re probably America-haters, but they do write a decent satire now and then.”
I think the whole b4b sight consists of America Haters. If they loved America they’d work at solutions everybody can agree with instead of polarizing our beautiful country. Polarization is the worst form of America Hatred and the far-right neo-con-artists have perfected it. Frank Zappa recognised it over 40 years ago.
Comment by Spacebrother — August 29, 2007 @ 3:52 pm |
Ignorant donkspeedonkdonk claimed:
I guess so.
So much for your “wisdom.”
Comment by Psycheout — August 29, 2007 @ 8:11 pm |
I disagree with your opinions of Frank Zappa. Your statement that he advocated Vegetable Lust (in the song “Call Any Vegetable” is wrong. Here’s Frank on the song, the quote of which may be found Here: http://www.arf.ru/Notes/Afree/calve.html
“The best clue to this song might lie in the fact that people who are inactive in a society… people who do not live up to their responsibilities… are vegetables.
I feel that these people… even if they are inactive, apathetic or unconcerned at this point… can be motivated toward a more useful sort of existence. I believe that if you call any vegatable it will respond to you.”
And the idea that he was into incest? Please, watch the video man, he was only saying that people have the right to sing about it. He never said you should be allowed to do it, and the only reason he mentioned incest at all was because that particular question was thrown at him.
As for you Sisyphus, you give us Christians a bad name. Look at the Gospel,Christ would have never called people that or said such hateful things. Christ was a loving God, and a forgiving one, and by calling yourself a Christian you do not set a very good example for Christ. If you were a Christian you would forgive these people and move on.
The idea that someone would post something this hateful about Frank Zappa is appalling. The man has been dead for 13 years, and is not here to defend himself. Have you no shame? Either way, I know who I will not be voting for this coming election. I cannot imagine living in an America run by Hate-mongers such as Sisyphus
Comment by Anonymous. — August 31, 2007 @ 2:00 pm |
Nailed it.
Comment by zombie1210 — August 31, 2007 @ 8:10 pm |
Agreed. Sisyphus is clueless. Satan waits for him.
Comment by spacebrother — August 31, 2007 @ 11:22 pm |
Frank Zappa is a genius, and i agree with him…freedom of expression or thought…and i’m canadian…Frank Zappa is a god, genius, hero and icon and i support him and his work
Comment by Shayne Marchand — September 2, 2007 @ 11:28 pm |
Sisyphus = “Dumb All Over”
Comment by Steve — September 4, 2007 @ 11:03 pm |
I think, no, I KNOW, that the only thing FZ would find funny about this is your hypocracy! Speaking ill of the dead…tsk, tsk, sinner.
I think its funny that you wait until 13 years after the man is gone before you can grow the balls to attack him!
This whole idiotic roos of yours fires WAY BEYOND FZ! And the fact that you believe the filth that spews from your evil head makes you a danger to society. Incest SUPPORTER??? You almost sound like you carry the burden of a guilty concsience…
You really should WATCH the video and LISTEN to what’s going on before you enlighten us all with your valued opinion.
Your opinion is CLEARLY based on the fact that you rely on others to tell you what to think, Sheepsyphus. And it appears that you have fallen in-cahoots with a nasty circle of hate-mongers! People like you are the reason that the rest of us have to keep our children under lock and key in plain daylight. Its only a matter of time before you won’t be able to move to MY neighborhood without registering your presence. We like to know when there are predators around…
Burn in hell Sisyphus, and don’t wait to die to do it!
BTW – Straight jacket, not strait, dumbass.
Comment by Steve — September 4, 2007 @ 11:16 pm |
Hey…is Brownback this guy’s REAL name or is it code?…fag
Comment by Steve — September 4, 2007 @ 11:27 pm |
So, you call yourselves Christians…don’t have anything better to do than police the world and martyr “non-conformists” instead of trying to save them? WOW, I’ve always heard of the “Church that wasn’t for sinners”, now I guess I have found it, and I was raised Holiness! Go ahead, throw another “nigger” on the barbie…evil people!
Comment by Steve — September 4, 2007 @ 11:42 pm |
“There is no hell. There is only France.”
– Frank Zappa
Comment by PAULB — September 5, 2007 @ 1:41 am |
Anyone who talks poo about Frank Zappa is a freaking IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Closed minded prats, hope YOU burn in hell!
Dr. Dot
myspace.com/drdot
[Ed Note: Please watch your language, Dr. Prat.]
Comment by Dr. Dot — September 5, 2007 @ 2:14 am |
The idea that FZ endorsed any kind of incest of vegetable lust amazes me.
As a fan of Zappa’s work for nearly 30 years I’ve never heard such ignorant rants.
Zappa was a composer, a guy that wrote dots on paper, and a guy that liked to laugh, he was a loyal husband and father of four brilliant children. He was to be the Czech Republics minister of culture, a thinker, an icon….
Frank knew this country was founded by people that understood what the word ‘freedom’ meant. These men were not here seeking a Christian nation to build, and although religion can be very important for many, like ANYTHING though.. too much of something is bad for you, this is why the Europeans fled, because of religious tyranny……and the framers of our Constitution of The United States understood religion is good, and important, but it needs to be controlled.
Remember..religion, like anything else effects all human beings differently.
The BIG problem comes when blind faith people try to destroy our Constitution by taking away rights given to us by our framers.
Here are some quotes the framers made about religion and our country, you can fact check them if you’d like:
“The United States is in no sense founded on the Christian doctrine.”~George Washington
“It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”~ Thomas Jefferson
“I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my church.”~ Thomas Paine
“I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.”~ Thomas Jefferson
“The Bible is not my book, and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma.”~ Abraham Lincoln
now, I’m a Roman Catholic, my children go to the same catholic school I went to. But I have the intelligence to know the church has a place. The church shouldn’t be everywhere, and Christianity is not the religion of this country. There is a thing called tolerance and knowledge and I think some of the people here who are advocating digging up a persons body and burning it…well, Jesus would have some words for you, and those words are far worse than anything Frank Zappa ever uttered.
shame
Comment by trendm0nger — September 5, 2007 @ 7:27 am |
And while this show was being recorded and aired this is what Ronald Reagan was saying about our brilliant leader:
“A moment I’ve been dreading. George (Bush Sr.) brought his ne’er-do-well son around this morning and asked me to find the kid a job. Not the political one who lives in Florida. The one who hangs around here all the time looking shiftless. This so-called kid is already almost 40 and has never had a real job. Maybe I’ll call Kinsley over at The New Republic and see if they’ll hire him as a contributing editor or something. That looks like easy work.”
— Ronald Reagan in his recently published diaries, written May 17, 1986 .
Comment by trendm0nger — September 5, 2007 @ 7:33 am |
These words about digging up a human body and burning it is worse than anything Frank Zappa ever uttered. Syphlis posted this and exposes the problem FZ warned us about religion in politics…of course we know Zappa was far ahead of his time, I listened….few others heard his warning.
We see what happens when politics is controlled by religion, it’s called the middle east, why on earth would someone want that here?
Comment by trendm0nger — September 5, 2007 @ 7:42 am |
The fact that Zappa is supported by degenerates like you does far more to corroborate my assertions than anything I’ve written thus far.
Comment by Sisyphus — September 5, 2007 @ 9:39 am |
Have you heard of liability??
I’ve seen this before and I recall Zappa supporting “free speech” and “artistic freedom”, not incest. It’s a far cry from supporting people’s freedom to express themselves and supporting incest.
Listen and learn Sisyphus, Zappa says,
“I don’t agree with it. I have not interest in incest.”.
Shoddy blogging.
Comment by Mauro Andres — September 5, 2007 @ 9:49 am |
Sisyphis is a psuedo-Christain and anti-American. Frank Zappa supported free speech where Sisyphis is a censorist blog alterer who’s trying to prop up Brownback who’s supported and endorsed by bigots.
Comment by Spacebrother — September 5, 2007 @ 2:17 pm |
I respect your opinion and your right to say your thoughts. These are the rights Frank Zappa fought tooth and nail for.
Apparently you aren’t familiar with Frank Zappa’s works, just that one little 20 min. clip. Zappa was and still is one of the most respected American composers ever. His body of work has been performed by such esteemed ensembles as the London Symphony Orchestra and The Ensemble Modern, and in 1994 was inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. Frank Zappa did not support incest. You are referring to another debate where he was presented a song by Prince. He distinctly said he didn’t support incest, but he supported Prince’s right to sing about it. Freedom of speech, my friend.
Let me ask you as a Christian, would Jesus approve your saying that you’re sure wherever Zappa is it’s hot? Or that we should exhume his body and burn it in a dumpster? Say what you want about Frank Zappa, but he was just as American as you are.
Comment by James Sharp — September 5, 2007 @ 3:07 pm |
Pheeeeeeeeeeew… You darn republican PRICKS!! Go to Iraq and DIE for your president, bitches!
[Ed Note: No profanity, please.]
Comment by GreggaryPeccary — September 5, 2007 @ 3:12 pm |
I’m a Roman Catholic, my children go to the same Catholic school I went to. I’m a Zappa fan for 30 years….I have the intelligence to know the Constitution of The United States trumps ANY religion or any book.
ANY RELIGION including mine
do some fact checking:
“The United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian doctrine.”~ George Washington
“It does no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”~ Thomas Jefferson
“I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, byt the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my church.”~ Thomas Paine
“I do not find in orthodox Christiany one redeeming feature.”~ Thomas Jefferson
“”The Bible is not my book, and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma.”~ Abraham Lincoln
Syphlis is clearly a threat to our Constitution and freedoms.
Comment by trendm0nger — September 5, 2007 @ 3:23 pm |
Frank Zappa was born and raise Roman Catholic by two Catholic immigrants that settled in Boston.
Comment by trendm0nger — September 5, 2007 @ 3:26 pm |
“Let me ask you as a Christian, would Jesus approve your saying that you’re sure wherever Zappa is it’s hot? Or that we should exhume his body and burn it in a dumpster?”
Yes, He would. So be it always with sinners.
“Say what you want about Frank Zappa, but he was just as American as you are.”
No, he wasn’t. He was a leftist.
“Pheeeeeeeeeeew… You fuckin republican PRICKS!! Go to Iraq and DIE for your president, bitches!”
The war will be over before I had a chance to get over there. Al Qaeda has been crushed, the insurgents are on our side, and security is improving daily. Peace is nigh. You won’t find that out in the New York Times, but they hate Iraq almost as much as they hate America and Jesus.
I’m a Roman Catholic, my children go to the same Catholic school I went to. I’m a Zappa fan for 30 years….I have the intelligence to know the Constitution of The United States trumps ANY religion or any book.
ANY RELIGION including mine”
This is a Christian nation. Always has been, always will be. Don’t like it? Take your distorting, out-of-context quote book and move to Sweden. Or Syria.
“Frank Zappa was born and raise Roman Catholic by two Catholic immigrants that settled in Boston.”
Then he was an apostate as well as a pervert.
Comment by Sisyphus — September 5, 2007 @ 3:53 pm |
Oh dear!Sisyphus….
Yet another racist, bigot neocon supporter exercising his free-speech with his mouth full of stupidities. I wonder why we fought for those rights sometimes… when monkeys like G. Bush are elected by people like you…. my balls fall to the floor as I think all the struggles for the rights to 1-think 2-choose wisely an appropriate representant
Anyway, you’re probably obsessed with Zappa cause about 80 percent of his work was about the utter stupidity of your bunch.
And he was very succesful in many ways … as you show for example that small minds 1- can’t comprehend his music 2- can’t grasp the lyrics and the irony in them.
It’s just how the world goes: some stuff is for more prepared people, some stuff require less work.
You’re trying tro prove oyur points without understanding a single note or word of his work. That’s pathetic.
Now in all your rants the only thing you proved is.. that you don’t like him.
I can accept that.
The other stuff, well.. I dunno talk about it at church or something…. but here you just look like a very boastful and aggressive person with a serious case of prejudicial views on the entire world (see “small minded” or “weak”).
Take care.
Comment by Claudio — August 13, 2009 @ 5:09 pm |
Like I said, unless you are afraid of the facts, check those quotes and you will find they are true, they are real and they exactly the way the framers thought when they were creating this nation The United States of America.
You have been lied to if you think this was a nation for Christians to come and create FOR Christians….freedom of ALL religions, and freedom FROM all religion is established by the framers, not Chrisatianity for all, although Christianity is included….just like ALL the other religions are here, and for all to worship the way they choose, you must have tolerance and exercise it like Jesus would.
You need to understand the Constitution of the United States and what the framers intended for this nation, and it certainly wasn’t to create a Christian nation. I’m sorry if you believe that, it’s just plain wrong.
And to suggest “if you don’t like it leave.”….you sir are the type of people the Europeans fled from when they came here.
I ask you to read and educated yourself about the history of this nation. Read books and learn about how this nation began, perhaps you’re afraid what you will find?
‘nuf said
Comment by trendm0nger — September 5, 2007 @ 4:04 pm |
“No, he wasn’t. He was a leftist.”
You really have no clue. Zappa was a conservative who bashed liberals.
“The war will be over before I had a chance to get over there. Al Qaeda has been crushed, the insurgents are on our side, and security is improving daily. Peace is nigh.”
Keep telling yourself that while packing your next bong or crack pipe.
Fact #1 – The war WILL go on for decades until all the troops are pulled out. Not while any are there.
Fact #2 – ALL Pentagon and CIA reports show Al Qaeda is as strong or stronger than pre-9/11. Also Bin Laden is still on the loose. Going on 6 years since 9/11, Bush has yet to catch or kill Bin Laden (the guy along with his Saudi buddies who were the ones who commited the worst attack on US soil since Pearl Harbor).
Fact #3 – The insurgents are still blowing up American troops daily. If thats called “being on OUR side” then it’s time to throw the booze and drugs away a take a breath of reality.
Likely you’ll think we’re at peace when GWB and Brownback try to claim we are just in time for an election cycle.
Failure is exactly what it is. No matter how much you deny it, it’s still failure, regardless of the revisionistic propaganda.
“This is a Christian nation. Always has been, always will be.”
Native Americans would beg to differ. They prospered for thousands of years here in America until the so-called European Christains arrived and slaughtered them but the nice thing about Catholic school is they leave that fact out of the history textbooks for some odd reason. It’s revisionist history and puposely leaves out the imperialist terrorism that originally founded America. (of course your response would be one of denial and hatred sprinkled with post altering activities)
Please do America a favor and take your ultra nationalistic right wing buddies with you to the Middle East with the ultra right wing nationalists that reside there.
Comment by Spacebrother — September 5, 2007 @ 4:32 pm |
He must be a true genius if you hate him that much after all these years 😉
Comment by BUBBLEGUM — September 5, 2007 @ 4:56 pm |
I see a different Zappa quote everytime I visit LGF (which just so happens to be on your ‘essentials’ list).
Comment by ChenZhen — September 5, 2007 @ 6:34 pm |
It’s really funny how these guys don’t see how they are EXACTLY like the terrorists they are trying to fight.
Comment by Adam Nelson — September 5, 2007 @ 6:44 pm |
“Let me ask you as a Christian, would Jesus approve your saying that you’re sure wherever Zappa is it’s hot? Or that we should exhume his body and burn it in a dumpster?”
Yes, He would. So be it always with sinners.
“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.” Romans 3:23
Comment by James Sharp — September 5, 2007 @ 6:55 pm |
Those who judge others posit themselves as equals to God. Nobody but Jesus and God may judge people, and to commence judgement by yourself suggests that you deem your opinions as important and correct as God’s. Such ridiculous arrogance.
Comment by Adam Nelson — September 5, 2007 @ 8:27 pm |
All you darn republicans and christians are going to be the death of us all!! Their god doesn’t believe in the book we believe in so we need to kill them! Music is freedom and you people are all plum crazy!!! I weep for our nations future as well as the children you are all raise!! If Frank Zappa’s in Hell( which doesn’t really exisist by the way!)I ‘ll be there partying with him and all my friends!!! The best part of living here in america is we have FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!! Let’s keep it that way.
[Ed Note: Freedom of speech does not include putting profanity in our comment threads, Wolfie.]
Comment by Wolf Navarro — September 6, 2007 @ 2:29 am |
Anybody interested in Nazi Germany & the way propaganda was utilised should realize what Zappa stood for…
[Ed Note: He stood for awhile and then, when he got tired, he sat down. Is that what you mean, Tean?]
Comment by Tean — September 6, 2007 @ 2:29 am |
Was he as evil as George W Hitler Bush. I don’t think so. He was a musician. Not a facist, dumb, evil piece of cow dung like the current American president.
If you set out to make yourself look at stupid as possible… DING DING DING you’ve done very well.
Peasant.
Comment by Michael — September 6, 2007 @ 2:30 am |
Zappa was an original american composer, family man, was anti-drug. Your totally off base. He was x-rated but no worse than, Red Foxx or Lenny Bruce. he might have been vulgar in music but was clean living unlike some Senators from Idaho who claim family values while lurking in bathroom stalls
Comment by Dennis — September 6, 2007 @ 2:31 am |
Well, FZ was one hell of a songwriter, componist and he was very good at showing all people the mirror. he was definitly a Lefty and was against all those commercial religious things shown in TV. In my eyes he was a realist, an ideologist and which is most important: a man who was beyond his own time. I cannot see any bad things about FZ and as I am a huge fan of his music I have to say this. I read a lot about him, listened to his interviews, documentations and books and I can say I know a bit more about him than maybe some of you..so what the hell are you supposed to reach with your nerdy comments?!
thanks and remeber: THE MEEK SHALL INHERIT NOTHING!!!
– Ross
Comment by Ross Feratu — September 6, 2007 @ 2:31 am |
The beauty of the American way is that everyone is entitled to their right to the first amendment. We have choices we can listen, or we don’t have to…
Zappa was a creative and musical genius…. While some people will never understand his works, He had the right and the freedom to create and record what he wanted and what he felt the message was he was portraying…
Zappa is a part of American culture. Of course, something like this gets posted almost 21 years after it happened.
Leave him alone… those of us who wish to enjoy his works have that right to enjoy his works…
Comment by Doug Jones — September 6, 2007 @ 2:32 am |
Right-wing, conservative WANKERS who know NOTHING about Frank’s music or lyrics. IDIOTS.
Comment by Dr. Dot — September 6, 2007 @ 2:46 am |
Sisyphus sounds a bit Nazi-ish to me anyways.
Comment by Dr. Dot — September 6, 2007 @ 2:47 am |
Mr. Zappa was great at exposing people’s stupidity [including his own]. Offended by him? Well, you’re stupid!
Frank was also an excellent guitar player, and composer.
Comment by Joe — September 6, 2007 @ 3:04 am |
Frank once said and i quote “The most abundant substance in the universe is stupidity”
I think this anal retentive moron [named Gitzee] must have 99.9% of it!
If brains were bollocks he would be a professor!
Comment by Gitzee — September 6, 2007 @ 3:09 am |
God does not exist. Jesus was a freedom fighter not unlike Cheney. If you say that God is on your side fighting an unholy war which everyone knows has nothing to do with saving the people and more to do with oil, doesn’t that make your god one evil mofo. gods, human creations for the dumb masses to believe in because there own lives have nothing. Zappa fought in court for freedom of speach. Isn’t that something you believe in? Also learn irony, sarcasm. They are quite usefull in understanding FZ.
[Ed Note: Not sure about the rest of your drivel, but Vice President Cheney certainly is a great man. Well said.]
Comment by Evil Jesus — September 6, 2007 @ 3:34 am |
excuse me but i think you are the one who belongs in a straight jacket, Zappa was not promoting incest or filth or anything like that (if you actually listen to him speak then you would realise that), he was defending the freedom of speech in music and other art forms. IF anything he is the most sanest person on that panel, the guy opposing him wanted music with swearing in it to be taken out of shops who have to be bought under the counter like some dirty little item. Music is freedom, they are only words and when you are frightened and threatened by words then you seriously have to reflect on your life.
p.s. listen to how the guy mocks Zappa everymove in music and his life trying to dig holes in his reputation so no matter was Zappa says it would seem farfetched becauce he knew hs argument was extremely flawed, and when he gave up on things to say he asked him if he agreed with him, Zappa said he didnt, and then this guy said, ‘then your part of ‘the problem”. I think a little trip down memory might dictate these are the words of dictatorship society like Hitler or Stalin, killing people and locking people away if they did not agree with them.
This is the kind of route this guy was arguing for, Putting people in jail for saying a few naughty words on a record becuace it would damage the youth of todays inncoent little pure minds. It is absurd.
Comment by i am rob — September 6, 2007 @ 3:39 am |
“From whence” !? Take your head out of your backside…If anyone belongs in a strait jacket, it’s you pal…The only thing that’s clear from your blog is that you’re just another narrow minded, bible bashing, ignorant scare mongerer. Look in the mirror, fella… You can’t see the wood, for the trees.
[Ed Note: Thanks for using the word “backside” instead of what many of your pals would use. I don’t think I approve of the use of the word “wood” however. Please be careful not to cross the line. Thanks.]
Comment by John4526 — September 6, 2007 @ 3:40 am |
The fact that people in america focus any of their strength on censorship is quite sad. These are WORDS people. Mereley a way of expressing ourselves. Like Zappa mentions these are only syllables put together. They hold no water. In all reality, The words “For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge” could have no different meaning than the word “orange”. Its that we’ve created a negative connotation with these so called “BAD” words. We should be focusing on intention rather than expression. Deal with the issues at hand and not the tools people use to express them. Creativity censored, ceases to be creative. And as human beings the only thing we truly have is the ability to create in one way or another.
[Ed Note: Not on B4B, buddy. The F-word is not allowed. Children read this website, you pervert.]
Comment by TMAC — September 6, 2007 @ 3:46 am |
And if you’re going to revert to your bible. Just remember that the bible is written by man.. Same man that created the words you hate so dearly..
[Ed Note: Blasphemer.]
Comment by TMAC — September 6, 2007 @ 3:59 am |
frank was not in favor of incest. are we watching the same video? he never bucled under the cheap pressure of the show’s people. each person’s Truth is their reality, say what ya wat but you are attackin he wrog person here. wait. I love you. first ammendment ight. let;s take away your ability to post. there is no free speech. let me say i have read a LOT of your posings and you haven’t a clue. poor souls. got yourself lost in media manipulation. suckers.
[Ed Note: How about you and your foul-mouthed treefrogs knock of using the f-word on this family-friendly site? Pretty please?]
Comment by bobo — September 6, 2007 @ 4:06 am |
sites like this prove just how dangerous Christianity can get. The next thing you’ll be doing is burning books like the nazis did.
Comment by al sullivan — September 6, 2007 @ 4:25 am |
What a thing to say that someone like Zappa is like Hitler! I am German and I can tell you – because I have a brain – that there is no connection whatsoever. And I can tell you that it actually doesn’t take long to think about it, that it is a shame that someone like you and people that support you are not a little bit more intelligent. You should have used the internet for something else than looking up random quotes from other people that would, out of context, support your unbelievable statements. Unfortunately most of your mind blowing citizens have nothing else to do than leaving really stunning comments. Who do you think you are and what do you think that is that you are writing there??? For me it is not close to racism, it is racism, just hidden behind the anonymitiy of the www, which is suitable for cowards. I wonder why those right wing gramps are always blind and deaf against art, music or literature. Hey, but it reminds me of something: German politics in the 30ies and 40ies! That should be just your thing, eh?
I don’t know why, but I am ashamed of your page and its content!
Comment by berlinerladylounge — September 6, 2007 @ 5:05 am |
You guys.. you dont understand poop about Zappa.. he just used the oppourtunity to laugh at the uptight and socially acceptable people.. and he wasnt pro-incest… wth are you talking about?
And i bet the autor is one of those people’s child :]
And it gets even worse when you say his music was horrible.. his music was PERFECT in every way; original, complicated, S-A-R-C-A-S-T-I-C, or humoristic if you like the word better, and i could go on like that more and more!
oh, and haven’t you ever heard of the word “sarcasm”?
Comment by leila — September 6, 2007 @ 5:06 am |
What the hell?! Zappa is the only one in that debate with his head actually screwed on, The man is a damn legend. The points he raises are so true and what makes them really hit home is he is witty enough to battle these patriotic toffs with humour and knowledge. Ugh dont any of you have a sense of homour? and why are you anylising this? I would hate to live in a world without people like frank zappa.
[Ed Note: Frank Zappa is no longer in this world. What are you going to do?]
Comment by Jae — September 6, 2007 @ 5:24 am |
Frank is the best thing that ever happened to music. Those that don’t realize it are fools.
[Ed Note: Apparently you’ve never listened to Pat Boone or Lawrence Welk. Live and learn.]
Comment by Burn — September 6, 2007 @ 5:29 am |
Hmmm, Let me just say a coulple of words BULL poo! Ok…. more words. Zappa was one of the 20th centuries most wonderful composers, he is right up there with all the great composers of our lives. There is a “brightness” control on most TVs, your’s must not work, there is an on and off switch on most record players…. use it…… get a clue! You got it ALL wrong. I don’t even want to say anymore…. but I will. Where do you get off putting such a wonderful artist down? What do you do, work in a turd farm? You really owe it to yourself to look deeper into the man’s work, try to get passed your short sightedness. But this America (for what it’s worth) we both can have our own opinion…. but your’s SUCKS!
I also really want to have sex with another man. I love being embarassingly gay! Love me!
Comment by Jerry Ford — September 6, 2007 @ 5:42 am |
Hey buddy if you could pull your head out your right wing, uptight, patriotic ass then perhaps you could enjoy life, appreciate zappa and realise the amount of diverse amazing culture and art in the world. you know people dont always have the same opinions so stop trying to enforce yours upon others, i happen to love frank zappa, his music is so creative and perfect and he himself is a highly inteligent and witty guy. what a boring life you must lead matey.
Comment by Jae — September 6, 2007 @ 5:48 am |
As Bill Hicks once said, in some parts of the world they shout “revolution revolution”. In other parts of the world (namely where these right wing christian fundamentalist morons who have nothing better to than insult the genius of FZ) come from They scream “evolution evolution, we want our thumbs” They are of course -Dumb all over and a little ugly on the side.
Comment by mu — September 6, 2007 @ 6:01 am |
Frank Zappa is the greatest American who ever lived.
Comment by Muff Inmann — September 6, 2007 @ 6:08 am |
How dare you change the words Ive written.. I was trying to make a point. A valid one at that. You’ve only further proved how you feable minded, bible-beating maniacs push your values on us until we revolt. No wonder nobody respects you. You PEOPLE show zero respect from the gate.. And how dare you call me a pervert when its the fathers of this archdiosis performing felatio on under-age boys.. Ruining lives more-so than saving them. There’s a revolution of realization in the works brother. Its all just slipping away. And soon enough there is nothing anyone will be able to do about it.
Comment by TMAC — September 6, 2007 @ 6:24 am |
olaaaaaaaaa. Frank Zappa is nice ! It understands the deviances and wants to explain them. It is right to say that the deviances are the hyper-moral fruit of people, which blocks you up to the point to explode. Frank is very in advance, like Galileo. The words are only words, and he likes the controversy. he likes to understand. He does not judge.
yes, Frank Zappa uses the words, “inceste”, because it knows, that the language is a virus, and that the words, are not worth the actions. Moreover, these actions, are to play superbly well of the guitar, and to compose, but certain people have a so narrow brain, these same people like the rumours, they like to see the devil, which is in their head. Moreover, when one looks at, the emission, frank is very calm, and it knows what it speaks. These people speak to us about morality, because they are conditioned, it is the color of the lie. They want to believe that their children did not see them making love, moreover, them do not make love, they censure it. Frank Zappa shared its stories, he wanted simply that people evolve, and do not want to be any to make love, as Catholicism (and another people of religion) teaches it to us. Moreover how can one believe that frank zappa is for the inceste, whereas it finds the sex, very primary and laughs at it (sexual Harrassement).
fred
Comment by fred — September 6, 2007 @ 6:25 am |
If you’ve SEEN Borat, how can you be so opposed to “filth”? And have you ever taken the time to listen to the man’s classical compositions? If you are basing your opinion on the few songs you may have heard, you are sadly mistaken. Zappa was a genius, so far ahead of his time it’s sickening. You may or may not agree with his politics, but to me, 90% of the man’s observations were spot on! You just go on and enjoy your mindless mainstream, or better yet, “Christian” music. Most of you lack the intellect to appreciate anything deeper that may actually challenge you.
Comment by Gabriel — September 6, 2007 @ 6:40 am |
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One of Franks’ causes was to get people to register to vote! I guess that is a bad thing. Just because people don not understand a person, right away they bash him. Was Frank wierd, was he brash, was he funny, yes! Did he voice his opinion openly? Yes. In that interview Frank held his own, and because you don’t like or understand, or really listen to what he is saying you attack him. He was trying to protect Musicians freedom of speach. You don’t like his music don’t listen to it, or let your children listen to it. YOU be the censor, NOT the goverment. Music is the Best…..FZ
R.I.P. Frank
Mr. JIm
Comment by Mr. Jim — September 6, 2007 @ 6:45 am |
I agree with Slime O….Gerry Garcia and Frank Zappa are not even in the same league when it comes to musicianship. To compare Zappa to Hitler is just plain stupid. The person who created this blog obviously misconstrued Zappa’s words. Frank Zappa was NEVER an advocate for incest. I’ve listened to every FZ release and I have no desire to have sex with my brother or my first cousin; can you believe that?
Zappa himself was a relatively conservative man. He was married, raised four beautiful children, he paid his taxes, he advocated AGAINST drug usage and he was a patriotic American who not only stood for his beliefs but obviously had no problem defending his beliefs when necessary. THANK YOU Frank Zappa for being the most prolific and important composer of the 20th century. If any of you right wingers took the time to actually listen to his music or even looked at some of his compositions on paper, you would know that he was not your run of the mill rock star. He conducted symphonies for God’s sake!!
To think that there are still people out there who still carry these moronic beliefs is mind boggling!!! Sisyphus, it’s time for you to wake up, smell the black water in the cup and get a life.
Comment by debutante daisy — September 6, 2007 @ 6:52 am |
One more thing… Why do you assume that anyone that opposes this view is a “liberal”? I’m not sharing my beliefs, because i don’t believe it’s important BUT I do know a heck of a lot of Republicans that are RABID Zappa fans. To the fellow Zappa supporters that did post on this page, bravo. To the closed-minded folks that created this bribble, well… let’s just say that what I have to say to to you is not being written. I am “thinking of the children!” Sounds so familiar, like something I heard during the PMRC hearings…
Comment by Gabriel — September 6, 2007 @ 6:53 am |
If you actually think for one second that Zappa supported incest then you don’t understand the words irony and sarcasm. You are probably referring to the song “Brown Shoes Don’t Make It” … whose lyrics are indeed quite shocking. But when one learns that Zappa is playing the role of a corrupt city hall official, then one should understand that it is not Zappa who supports incest but instead it is some of leaders. Catholic Church scandal, anyone?
Zappa was not afraid to be misunderstood.
I am sorry, but you people are idiots. Don’t worry though, you aren’t alone nor are you in the minority.
Sheeple.
Comment by J — September 6, 2007 @ 6:57 am |
Frank was a genius musically, and those of you that are saying he hated America are just plain wrong; there is nothing more American than being able to say and act and be as you think – we are after all the “home of the free”. One of the most wonderous things about America is the diversity that we enjoy, due to the freedoms that we are afforded. Certainly Mr. Zappa’s art is one of those freedoms. and for those of you that think his only musical contribution is “valley Girl” – please listen to some of his collected Jazz works, his work with Symphony Orchestras, and other work – he is one of the few 20th century “composers” who will probably be studied 100 years form now in our universities in the way that Bach, Mozart and the like have been studied in the past.
Free speech includes those views that are not necessarily popular, and while some of Frank’s lyrics could be considered “offensive” (mostly in jest, by the way, if you read anything about him), he has the right as American to say those things.
Regarding the whole PMRC mess from the 80s; I personally feel the government in the US did and should have more important things to worry about than what someone says or does on a recording. If parents were REALLY that concerned, they wouldn’t rely on the government to make the decision as to what is right and wrong for their kids to listen to; they would BE INVOLVED in their child’s life enough to make the decision themselves…
Comment by Rick G — September 6, 2007 @ 7:05 am |
I guess it’s only coincidence that many other talented rock artists of the 70’s where mentored by Frank’s style. He was probably the only rock musician to approach his music as an orchestra. Unrelentingly precise and calculated. Franks music pushed boundaries but only to reflect the insanity of our own culture (as art is wont to do). In fact it was a reflection of you, if you will. So, please don’t shoot the messenger. In addition, it is painfully apparent that he had a better sense of humor than yourself.
Eat Me,
Dan Pappas
Comment by Dan Pappas — September 6, 2007 @ 7:12 am |
Oh … one more thing … while we are at it.
Burn in Hell, John Lofton!
Comment by J — September 6, 2007 @ 7:13 am |
To all the children that allegedly read this site, see this but don’t repeat it.
“F-YOU.”
Comment by adykenamedfreddie — September 6, 2007 @ 7:19 am |
Pat Boone eh? The same Pat Boone who had sex with three underage girls in an Arkansas cabin?
Comment by Adam Nelson — September 6, 2007 @ 7:22 am |
You lot are FreaKING PATHETIC- he was a musician. Is American society still stuck in the thirties or something? It just goes to show how intolerant your country really is. No wonder the world hates you with idiotic comments like these. And where exactly is the evidence that god exists? Followers of religion truly are sheep- shame there’s no shepherd!
Comment by Elliott — September 6, 2007 @ 7:33 am |
Wishing that someone you’ve never met and who has had no direct influence on your life should burn in hell is a wonderfully Christian thing to do, isn’t it?
Comment by Matt — September 6, 2007 @ 7:41 am |
“The only words we need to hear are the Words of God contained in the Bible.”
Zappa wrote the bible. He’s laughing at you dimwits! Luckily you’re the minority now – the world is maturing despite of you.
Comment by Thingfish — September 6, 2007 @ 7:47 am |
novak the hack
LOVE THIS INTERVIEW
“WE’RE TALKING ABOUT WORDS”. get em’ frank.
pudgy guy with glasses looks like a total fool in that interview. what a fat little loser. he attacks zappa personally for no reason and gets called out for showing that he has probably never even listened to frank, but zappa just keeps his cool. who is he to criticize an artist, he looks like some old loser that is mad that he never got laid.
Comment by Clayton — September 6, 2007 @ 8:05 am |
Oh and I forgot to say:
BeaCH, COoK, TWiT, SHoT, cuSTARD, bUCK AND Cheese.
Also I love having regular teaparties with my sister and mum- especially when they hug me in the grass with a big black corncob.
[Ed Note: Please don’t tell us how you kiss your mother with that foul mouth of yours. Actually, please don’t tell us anything ever again. Thanks.]
Comment by Elliott — September 6, 2007 @ 8:11 am |
I must say I find this blog’s page very encouraging. Having read the original opinion and subsequent comments, I am as pleased to see the level of understanding and intellect of the MAJORITY of respondents, as I am piteous of the MINORITY for their intollerance and ignorance. I think Mr. Zappa would admire the perception and reasoning capacity prosessed by most of the debators advocating in his defense, and he would find the supporters of this website a source of great amusement.
[Ed Note: Somehow I doubt it, you sheep. He’d probably side with us for reasons you could not possibly understand. But if you want to dream of having gay relations with Frank Zappa, go ahead, sinner.]
Comment by Johnny — September 6, 2007 @ 8:15 am |
This was kinda rare for Frank to do the television thing. Anyone who knows him and his music know that he wrote a song called “I’m the Slime” and it was very cynical toward television in general (“i’m the slime oozing out of your tv set”). Meanwhile this guy on here with the big glasses who looks like he’s about to have a heart attack at any moment is the type of person who probably makes a living off of television and spin like bill o’reilly. Music is such a more enlightening and healthy medium than a lot of the filth that airs on tv. I wish zappa would have spoke to that more than he did here because i know that he agrees.
Comment by Clayton — September 6, 2007 @ 8:17 am |
Did you see this Headline at the Mighty Drudge?
[Ed Note: So asks the stupidest person on the planet.]
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A POLITICIAN GOES TO NEW HAMPSHIRE: AND NO ONE SHOWS UP… ^
[Ed Note: What happens when an illiterate treefrog squeezes one out in the morning and nobody cares?]
Guess who its about? Senator Brownback
http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070904/480/5ca0cf5624ad4cb59c18a7e2ebe0f469
Thought police like you and those you support not only make people more intrigued by what you deem “filth”, but you go against the free market of ideas that is Freedom of Speech.
Enjoy your 15 minutes.
[Ed Note: Your 15 seconds are over, davey. And every single one was excruciatingly boring.]
Why not focus on living “perverts” like foley, vitter, and craig?
[Ed Note: Why not focus on posts that aren’t nearly a couple of months old? Are you like the stupid kid that laughs at a joke that you heard a couple years ago? Duh, I get it now! LOL!]
Comment by dave — September 6, 2007 @ 8:18 am |
Religion really is a bag of marshmallows. Why can’t the human race grow up and realise we are in control of our own destiny. I, wish, I’d, die.
[Ed Note: Using foul language only demonstrates that you are a gibbering vulgarian.]
Comment by Elliott — September 6, 2007 @ 8:19 am |
I can’t believe this blog is being censored- typical american peanut brittle.
[Ed Note: Stop cursing, please. Children read this blog, too. Have some respect for others, you idiotic treefrog.]
Comment by Elliott — September 6, 2007 @ 8:24 am |
[Ed Note: Somehow I doubt it, you sheep. He’d probably side with us for reasons you could not possibly understand. But if you want to dream of having gay relations with Frank Zappa, go ahead, sinner.]
LOL
[Ed Note: ROTF.]
Comment by Johnny — September 6, 2007 @ 8:26 am |
just a follow up comment from Frank himself:
Dumb All Over:
Whoever we are
Wherever were from
We shoulda noticed by now
Our behavior is dumb
And if our chances
Expect to improve
Its gonna take a lot more
Than tryin to remove
The other race
Or the other whatever
From the face
Of the planet altogether
They call it the earth
Which is a dumb kinda name
But they named it right
cause we behave the same…
We are dumb all over
Dumb all over,
Yes we are
Dumb all over,
Near n far
Dumb all over,
Black n white
People, we is not wrapped tight
Nurds on the left
Nurds on the right
Religous fanatics
On the air every night
Sayin the bible
Tells the story
Makes the details
Sound real gory
bout what to do
If the geeks over there
Dont believe in the book
We got over here
You cant run a race
Without no feet
n pretty soon
There wont be no street
For dummies to jog on
Or doggies to dog on
Religous fanatics
Can make it be all gone
(I mean it wont blow up
n disappear
Itll just look ugly
For a thousand years…)
You cant run a country
By a book of religion
Not by a heap
Or a lump or a smidgeon
Of foolish rules
Of ancient date
Designed to make
You all feel great
While you fold, spindle
And mutilate
Those unbelievers
From a neighboring state
To arms! to arms!
Hooray! thats great
Two legs aint bad
Unless theres a crate
They ship the parts
To mama in
For souvenirs: two ears (get down!)
Not his, not hers, (but what the hey? )
The good book says:
(it gotta be that way!)
But their book says:
Revenge the crusades…
With whips n chains
n hand grenades…
Two arms? two arms?
Have another and another
Our God says:
There aint no other!
Our God says
Its all okay!
Our God says
This is the way!
It says in the book:
Burn n destroy…
n repent, n redeem
n revenge, n deploy
n rumble thee forth
To the land of the unbelieving scum on the other side
cause they dont go for whats in the book
n that makes em bad
So verily we must choppeth them up
And stompeth them down
Or rent a nice french bomb
To poof them out of existance
While leaving their real estate just where we need it
To use again
For temples in which to praise our god
(cause he can really take care of business!)
And when his humble tv servant
With humble white hair
And humble glasses
And a nice brown suit
And maybe a blond wife who takes phone calls
Tells us our God says
Its okay to do this stuff
Then we gotta do it,
cause if we dont do it,
We aint gwine up to hebbin!
(depending on which book youre using at the
Time…cant use theirs… it dont work
…its all lies…gotta use mine…)
Aint that right?
Thats what they say
Every night…
Every day…
Hey, we cant really be dumb
If were just following gods orders
Hey, lets get serious…
God knows what hes doin
He wrote this book here
An the book says:
He made us all to be just like him,
So…
If were dumb…
Then God is dumb…
(an maybe even a little ugly on the side)
Comment by nanook — September 6, 2007 @ 8:26 am |
I want to thank you for posting the video of Zappa on crossfire! I knew nothing about him. After watching the video clip, I am now a true Zappa fan! Thank you so much! I can’t wait to start listening to his music! I love the way you take that ridiculous opposing point of view to help solidify and recrute the Zappa fan base.
Pure genius! What more can I say! Thank you so much! John K.
[Ed Note: Please don’t kill yourself.]
Comment by John K. — September 6, 2007 @ 8:28 am |
ZAPPA was for everything America stands for, freedom of expression, religion, etc. I dont see how anyone in THIS day and time could say he was “Unamerican”. Who really cares? He was a brilliant artist who made good points and did not let anyone walk all over him. That is what this legend should be remembered for. All of you conservative godfearing rejects will live your life miserably trying to prove a point that is evident to everyone who reads what you write…that you clearly ARE unamerican in every sense of the word. Please ask yourself this question. How could people such as yourselves with such strong beliefs like you say you have, be so hateful and deceitful?
[Ed Note: Thank you for being one of the few who has made his point without resorting to profanity. Well done.]
Comment by Kipling — September 6, 2007 @ 8:33 am |
I like to perform anal incest on my mum in front of my sister while my dad fellates my dog.
[Ed Note: I’m sure you do. You are a typical Zappa fan.]
Comment by Elliott — September 6, 2007 @ 8:36 am |
[Ed Note: Please don’t kill yourself.]
It sort of looks like that’s what you’re doing with this blog. Ha Ha!
[Ed Note: I’d respond further but your hilarious wit has made me split my sides in uncontrollable laughter. If you’re a stand up comedian I respectfully suggest that you sit down and shut up.]
Comment by John K. — September 6, 2007 @ 8:40 am |
This latest wave of Johnny-come-lately Zappa fellators from Phantasy Tour are the stupidest ever. I almost miss the morons from zappa.com. I am so close to closing off comments. These morons have little more to say other than mindless profanity and hero worship.
Look, you pathetic little morons. Nobody cares. Your lives are a waste. Go do something useful with your lives for once.
Comment by Psycheout — September 6, 2007 @ 8:40 am |
those sound like the dreams of your typical GOP senator
Comment by Clayton — September 6, 2007 @ 8:43 am |
Hey psychout (catchy name, early LSD user maybe?).
My life hasn’t been a waste and I’m not a loser.
I’m a professional defense contractor who earns well and takes care of his children and grandchildren. Believe it or not, people can think for themselves and still arbitrate rock lyrics. They can even appreciate Zappa. You’re a mental midget. Sounds like a christian one at that. Why don’t you go do what you do best. Hold your hand out and ask for someone else’s hard earned cash.
Dan Pappas
Comment by Dan Pappas — September 6, 2007 @ 8:49 am |
These guys are not listening to Frank at all. and I can’t believe your trying to suggest that Zappa supported incest and is some way supports incests when he says “I have no interest in incest” or that he is in some way a pervert. I hope his family take legal action against you. I’m glad I don’t live in America the land of the Free?
Comment by MOG — September 6, 2007 @ 8:51 am |
I think what Zappa says here is what being an American is all about, and he makes the most compelling point. The government is already seizing control of our lives, and this issue is very important due to the fact that once we lose our freedom of speech, this country will no longer be free. We have a basic fundamental right to express ourselves, and the government has no business trying to regulate what we say. First, it’ll be regulations against pornography….next, it’ll be against religious beliefs. Finally, anybody who says something bad against our government will be persecuted, and our conversion to Soviet-Style oppression will be complete. You “sheeple” need to WAKE UP and realize that if your choices are taken away, your freedom will erode.
Comment by noman2001 — September 6, 2007 @ 8:52 am |
I believe the problem is the censorship
because we are all curious and take curiosity out of the equasion then
I grew up in this time and I’m fine
i love sex and it’s not because of rock music
Comment by NOWTRIP E — September 6, 2007 @ 8:52 am |
[Ed Note: I’d respond further but your hilarious wit has made me split my sides in uncontrollable laughter. If you’re a stand up comedian I respectfully suggest that you sit down and shut up.]
Thank you! I’ve done my job and will respectfully sit down now and “shut up and play my guitar”.
Comment by John K. — September 6, 2007 @ 8:53 am |
CCCCC U U N N TTTTT C U U N N N T
C U U N N N T
C U U N NN T
CCCCC UUUUU N N T
Comment by Elliott — September 6, 2007 @ 9:04 am |
Serge Gainsbourg was also accused of incest because he sung a song called “Lemon Incest” with his daughter.
Now if you cannot differentiate a sin from the artistic interpretation of a sin, you have a problem.
Same goes with Zappa: if you cannot differentiate “Zappa supported incest” from “Zappa supported the idea of taking about incest”, you have a problem.
This kind of idiotic thinking usually comes from:
– people blinded by their ignorance.
– revisionists very well aware that spreading lies and confusion could help support their personal agenda.
Comment by Frankie — September 6, 2007 @ 9:07 am |
Frank Zappa is heralded as one of the 7 best composers of the 20th Century. It’s interesting how you use this video for propaganda, he was an advocate against censorship an the fact that it is Un-American. What is unfortunate here is you’re so backwards that you can’t even comprehend his position. He does not support incest,only the write to talk or sing freely about such things by using whatever words one chooses. Saying someones dead corpse should be exhumed and burned in a dumpster,well isn’t that the model for the perfect Christian…Jesus would be proud.
Comment by Hangman — September 6, 2007 @ 9:07 am |
I thought Brownback was when you have anal sex with somebody without wearing a condom.
Comment by Elliott — September 6, 2007 @ 9:08 am |
Frank Zappa is heralded as one of the 7 best composers of the 20th Century. It’s interesting how you use this video for propaganda, he was an advocate against censorship an the fact that it is Un-American. What is unfortunate here is you’re so backwards that you can’t even comprehend his position. He does not support incest,only the write to talk or sing freely about such things by using whatever words one chooses. Saying someones dead corpse should be exhumed and burned in a dumpster,well isn’t that the model for the perfect Christian…Jesus would be proud.
Comment by Hangman — September 6, 2007 @ 9:09 am |
I suppose “Jesus” would really dig it if you could find Zappa’s body and burn it in a dumpster. If there is a “hell”, it waits for no one but Psycheout and the other fools who are filled with so much hatred for freedom, creativity and true intelligence. Hitler would be proud of all of you.
——————-
DUMB ALL OVER — FZ
Whoever we are
Wherever we’re from
We shoulda noticed by now
Our behavior is dumb
And if our chances
Expect to improve
It’s gonna take a lot more
Than tryin’ to remove
The other race
Or the other whatever
From the face
Of the planet altogether
They call it THE EARTH
Which is a dumb kinda name
But they named it right
‘Cause we behave the same…
We are dumb all over
Dumb all over,
Yes we are
Dumb all over,
Near’n far
Dumb all over
Black ‘n white
People, we is not wrapped tight
Nurds on the left
Nurds on the right
Religious fanatics
On the air every night
Sayin’ the Bible
Tells the story
Makes the details
Sound real gory
‘Bout what to do
If the geeks over there
Don’t believe in the book
We got over here
You can’t run a race
Without no feet
‘N pretty soon
There won’t be no street
For dummies to jog on
Or doggies to dog on
Religious fanatics
Can make it be all gone
(I mean it won’t blow up
‘N disappear
It’ll just look ugly
For a thousand years…)
You can’t run a country
By a book of religion
Not by a heap
Or a lump or a smidgeon
Of foolish rules
Of ancient date
Designed to make
You all feel great
While you fold, spindle
And mutilate
Those unbelievers
From a neighboring state
TO ARMS! TO ARMS!
Hooray! That’s great
Two legs ain’t bad
Unless there’s a crate
They ship the parts
To mama in
For souvenirs: two ears (Get down!)
Not his, not hers (but what the hey?)
The Good Book says:
“It’s gotta be that way!”
But their book says:
“REVENGE THE CRUSADES. . .
With whips ‘n chains
‘N hand grenades. . .”
TWO ARMS? TWO ARMS?
Have another and another
Our Cod says:
“There ain’t no other!”
Our Cod says
“It’s all okay!”
Our God says “This is the way!”
It says in the book:
“Burn ‘n destroy. ..
‘N repent, ‘n redeem
‘N revenge, ‘n deploy
‘N rumble thee forth
To the land of the unbelieving scum on the other side
‘Cause they don’t go for what’s in the book
‘N that makes ’em BAD
So verily we must choppeth them up
And stompeth them down
Or rent a nice French bomb
To poof them out of existence
While leaving their real estate just where we need it
To use again
For temples in which to praise OURGOD
(“Cause he can really take care of business!”)
And when his humble TV servant
With humble white hair
And humble glasses
And a nice brown suit
And maybe a blonde wife who takes phone calls
Tells us our God says
It’s okay to do this stuff
Then we gotta do it,
‘Cause if we don’t do it,
We ain’t gwine up to hebbin!
(Depending on which book you’re using at the time…
Can’t use theirs. . .it don’t work . . .it’s all lies…Gotta use mine…)
Ain’t that right?
That’s what they say
Every night…
Everyday. ..
Hey, we can’t really be dumb
If we’re just following
God’s Orders
Hey, let’s get serious…
God knows what he’s doin’
He wrote this book here
An’the book says:
He made us all to be just like Him,”
so…
If we’re dumb…
Then God is dumb…
(An’ maybe even a little ugly on the side)
Comment by swamizappa — September 6, 2007 @ 9:10 am |
I would bet that “Jesus” would really dig it if you could find Zappa’s body and burn it in a dumpster. If there is a “hell” it waits for no one but Psycheout and the other fools who are filled with so much hatred and fear of freedom, creativity, and true intelligence. I don’t know about Hitler, but Mengela would be really proud of you all. And what fool would vote for someone named BROWNBACK??? It will never happen… trust me and Jesus.
Comment by swamizappa — September 6, 2007 @ 9:16 am |
If this “man” or any other republican, for that matter, happen to weasel their way into the Whitehouse for this next election, it will be because they lied and cheated; just like in the last two.
Republicans’ views are so skewed from the norm of the actual majority of people living in this country that they actually believe their idiotic, hypoctritical, criminal, and downright dangerous way of trying to run this country into he ground is helping the people who live here live a better life?!
Oh, wait…my bad. They’re just a bunch of money-grubbing, fakely religious, old geezers and silver spoons. They wouldn’t know the true America if it came up to them, knocked them out, and drug them off to Guantanemo for “questioning,” never to be seen again.
Comment by Republicans suck at life — September 6, 2007 @ 9:41 am |
[Ed Note: Thank you for being one of the few who has made his point without resorting to profanity. Well done.]
I appreciate the compliment. It’s useless to use jargon when trying to make a point. You just make yourself look stupid. As we all know who are TRUE Zappa fans…we are intelligent music lovers who enjoy the fact that we are able to listen to whatever we want and not care what anyone else thinks about it.
Comment by Kipling — September 6, 2007 @ 9:58 am |
with a view like that, the blogger is showing such narrow-mindedness. thank goodness senator brownback has ZERO chance of becomming the next president. ZAPPA ROCKS!
Comment by steven aloyisus — September 6, 2007 @ 10:02 am |
I thought Brownback was when you have anal sex with somebody without wearing a condom.
Comment by Elliott — September 6, 2007 @ 9:08 am
Although this comment IS pretty funny!!!
Comment by Kipling — September 6, 2007 @ 10:02 am |
Serge Gainsbourg was also accused of incest because he sung a song called “Lemon Incest” with his daughter. Now if you cannot differentiate a sin from the artistic interpretation of a sin, you have a problem.
Same goes with Zappa: if you cannot differentiate “Zappa supported incest” from “Zappa supported the idea of taking about incest”, you have a problem.
Comment by Frankie — September 6, 2007 @ 10:10 am |
Dear sir, Madam Or ???,
I realize that, in your pseud-intellectual fantasy woorld where you know “All”, you will refute MY opinion, but if you were truly 1/2 as smart as you think you are, you’d open-mindedly consider (& possibly heed) the following few paragraphs.
Your opinion is yours, & as such, you are entitled to it (no matter how ill-informed or ignorant it proves you to be), HOWEVER, if you had actually done some more in-depth research, you would see how totally foolish your “Facts” really are.
Note: [Frank would have probably not approved of me even responding to your attention-seeking diatribe, as it adds fuel to your childish attempt to justify and validate the uninformed, incompetently reasearched & unsubstantiated “Facts” of your “blog” (rhymes with “BOG”). }
As the iconoclast that Frank was, he adeptly poked fun at & exposed the faults of EVERY aspect of our society…including himself (& other musicians). This is a good thing-especially in these days of “political correctness”. We, as Americans, have totally lost our collective sense of humor, &, indeed, tend to take ourselves far too seriously (e.g.: your blog). Frank exposed all of us as the self absorbed fools we tend to become when left to our own devices.
He was (& still rremains) one of the few true “Renaissance” thinkers of our time…He was also a gifted composer & musician who will someday be recognized for his genius & his visionary art.
Expand your tunnel-vision & see the Entire picture, not just the single pixel you intently to focus on. True Knowledge is True Power!
And always remember, “Judge not, Lest you be Judged…” …but alas, your opinion is yours &
you do have a God given & Constitution right to express it…just not the right to impose it on others…it is still a “Free” country, is it not?
Regards…
Comment by C.L. Sloan III — September 6, 2007 @ 10:24 am |
Right On Mr.Zappa!!
musicians see the world in the real light that it IS. & how Scamerica has now become Scamworld.
live your life like your an Alien in this man made society. (we are still embros on this planet)
Comment by ray — September 6, 2007 @ 10:37 am |
Having had the privilege to meet Frank Zappa (twice) while I was in college, I have to say he was one of the most intelligent people that ever lived. His satirical and humorous views on the decrepitude of American society are well spoken through his music.
While some of his songs may have dealt with issues such as incest, pornography, rape, homosexuality, various religions, etc, none of it was in serious support of anything that was damaging to mankind. Frank loved people and America. What he hated was what we (society as a whole) are doing to it.
Frank (and now his son Dweezil) sought out the most talented, yet unknown musicians. They performed the most intricate of music that, to this day, most musicians in the rock genre could not contemplate attempting (see http://www.boguspomp.net). Most people are not even aware that Frank was the recipient of a Grammy for Best Jazz Album of the Year (yes, that’s correct….JAZZ)
For any of you here to bash him without knowledge of him, because of some misunderstood quotes or concepts about him, is blasphemy. It is simply showing the ignorance of which he so often poked fun.
Can this thread die now?
Comment by CCook — September 6, 2007 @ 10:45 am |
OK… first why the heck are you bashing on a dead rock star? I mean, dont you have better things to do than start crap about someone who has been dead for about 15 yrs?! Zappa DID love America. Where in the hell else could he perform the way he did? Plus, he DID NOT supoort incest. Also, using profanity on national television? WTF, comedians do that all the freaking time! Yes, he music WAS weird, and that was the whole point of him creating his music like that… jesus. And if Zappa is ‘burning in hell’, Zappa already knew he was going there. What the hell did he ever do to you? All he did was make music. There is no reason in hell to exhume his body and burn it. Christ… do you have no freaking heart? Whoever the heck post that first bashing comment on Zappa must have been raised in a damn church, and if my mind serves me correctly, Zappa says if you want healthy normal children, keep them away from churches as far as possible. In conclusion, his music was intelligent, funny, and serious all rolled into one. His guitar playing was the best i’ve heard… EVER. I am only 18, but i sure as hell know good music from bad!
Comment by Tony Moon — September 6, 2007 @ 10:48 am |
Frank was normal anyone that does’nt like him is NOT !!
FZ RIP……
camaromatt
Comment by camaromatt — September 6, 2007 @ 10:50 am |
To whomever said FZ hated Amereica and al that crap. If any of you knew anything about FZ, or had actually studied what he said inseatd of a 2000 year old myth book, you might realize how asinine and stupid this entire blog is, Rock on Dr. Dot
Comment by Ryan — September 6, 2007 @ 10:55 am |
Sooooo…wow. I’m simply stunned by all of this.
I could say so many things but I guess I’ll just offer this and be on my way:
Scoffing at disagreement without taking the time to respond in a reasoned and thoughtful manner while dehumanizing opponents is akin to what the Nazis did…I realize that point has been made, but, seriously. Shrugging off a comment and insulting the person who made it does not make you right.
The sheer arrogance, closed-mindedness and outright hatefulness of posters such as Sisyphus, Psycheout, and the ever polite Editor baffle me. Some of your comments, e.g. the let’s-exhume-Zappa-and-burn-his-corpse-in-a-dumpster or the oh so loving posts calling some of the other posters homosexuals, are so misguided and really, quite sad.
The posts from the majority of the guests to this blog are thoughtful and reasoned arguments, meanwhile you feel the need to belittle them by calling them morons, fornicators and a host of other terrible names…that’s quite Christian of you. I hope the view is good up there on your high horse, since I know Sisyphus has declared that we are wrong and going to hell…judge not lest ye be judged. Amazingly blatant display of hypocrisy.
Some of you people make me ashamed to call myself both a Christian and a conservative.
Comment by Greg — September 6, 2007 @ 10:56 am |
I am tired after reading all of these responses.I had no idea that christianity mirrored facism so closely. I have to agree with trendm0nger and neutronnate, when asked a direct question regarding fact, not once was one given. The only response given was more of the same closed minded rhetoric. Thanks to both of you for trying to stimulate intelligent debate.
Frank is definately smiling…
Comment by Zappa65 — September 6, 2007 @ 11:20 am |
why in the world would a blog like this attack an artist this way? he was an artist not a polititan. he did make obesrvations about politics though and the politiatians of the day. you guys are nuts to suggest that this man and his music are a concern for your political views or your trip to the heavens that you awaite. seriously, take care of your own and yourself. don’t be so judgemental. your christian right, so forgive. stop the hate. what an unfortunate comment this blogger has made.
Comment by francesco zappo — September 6, 2007 @ 11:28 am |
“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.” Romans 3:23″
Paul wrote that, not Jesus.
“Frank Zappa is the greatest American who ever lived.”
This is the stupidest sentence ever written.
“CCCCC U U N N TTTTT C U U N N N T
C U U N N N T
C U U N NN T
CCCCC UUUUU N N T”
Are you alright? Are you havng some sort of a seizure?
Comment by Sisyphus — September 6, 2007 @ 11:38 am |
ram it , ram it , ram it , ram it up the poop-shoot .
Comment by cock-chaffer — September 6, 2007 @ 11:50 am |
why dont you worry about all the child molesting priests in the catholic church , praying on inocent children , and all the suposedly faith healers who are stealing peoples money through fraud , before you attack someone who was supporting your right to even post a blog like the one you did, if it wasnt for people like FRANK ZAPPA our rights to freedom of speach would be gone and you would be living a different life maybe soneone like you would be living in a gulag in siberia being somones bitch !!
Comment by cragger — September 6, 2007 @ 12:10 pm |
“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.”
So you use this as an excuse to continue your hatred and sinful ways. Mind your step friend.
Comment by francesco zappo — September 6, 2007 @ 12:29 pm |
Freaking die, you stupid freak
Comment by Elk — September 6, 2007 @ 12:41 pm |
I thought that was an excellent debate, and John Lofton clearly dislikes not only Frank Zappa’s views, opinions, and music, but opposes him as a person. Now it is one thing to say that Frank says some dirty and very descriptive things. He does indeed have some lyrics which some may find questionable. But they are far from being “demonic” or evil. Frank was a true artist. He was also a very intelligent individual as well as a free thinker.
On the other side of the debate, John Lofton is a closed minded and extreme conservative who clearly would approve of mind control and is the perfect likeness of “Big Brother” from George Orwell’s book 1984. He would prefer we live in an oppressive society where anything found distasteful would be banned, and anyone who distributed such things would pay an ultimate price/penalty.
I myself am not a fanatic of Frank Zappa’s work, but I can appreciate it for the thought provoking work that it is. It may be distasteful at times, but I appreciate that. It may seem weird to many, but I appreciate that. And the fact that I can choose what I want to listen to, whether it be distasteful to others or not, is what makes America the land of the FREE. If you don’t like his work, you don’t have to listen to it. You don’t have to buy his work. But you have to respect what his ideals stand for, or you might as well be living in a prison where all that you experience is controlled or illegal.
Comment by Rod S — September 6, 2007 @ 12:47 pm |
Well, I see that ignorance is alive and well…no surprise there. BAAAAH BAAAAH BAAAAAAAH
Whether you enjoy his music or not, Zappa is recognized as a serious artist, deservedly so. The body/span of work is pretty impressive…and some of it might be over your head.
Here’s some food for thought: Once upon a time when mixed politics and religion…AND people were burned at the stake.
Once again, the sheeple are giving religion a bad name!
PATHETIC.
Comment by genrebuster — September 6, 2007 @ 1:01 pm |
If anyone was using ad hominem attacks it was that John Lofton guy from the Washington Times. I must say that while some of Zappa’s views are extreme, he absolutely dominated the debate.
Comment by nick — September 6, 2007 @ 1:07 pm |
This is why I hate being a Christian. I have to be lumped in with assholes like the dude that wrote this blog. I’m a Christian and I love Frank Zappa. IMAGINE THAT?!?!?!?
Comment by nick — September 6, 2007 @ 1:13 pm |
Personally, I’m impressed that anyone with such a narrow mind is able to write a blog at all…though personally I find it difficult to be offended by the opinions of anyone who has to watch Rush Limbaugh with their pants off.
Comment by Zappa221 — September 6, 2007 @ 1:25 pm |
Leave the dead for what they are. Zappa was just a funny guy who also just made damn good music. It is up to everyone whether to appreciate his kind of humor or not……If you might not like it that is up to you, but it is pure cowardness that you insult him after his death (you should have out-debated him when he was still alive, but I guess you just couldn’t have done that in the first place, since you seem to lack intelligence and humor).
Comment by Reswati — September 6, 2007 @ 1:33 pm |
Frank Zappa Was a great american. One who should be used as an example to define the so called demo-crass-y that this country was build on. freedom. and justice for all. it is so egotistical of people to try to control others by censorship. zappa was not only a musical GENIUS! but a awesome politician as well. look what he did for the czech repubilc!! Dont know, look it up. and while your at it look up the first amendment. not the second or the thrid, but THE FIRST. these suit and tie fat freaks have hairy palms, and molest their own children. notice the resemblances of genius in frank amoungst popular geniuses, and the resemblances of child molesters and rapists, not just sexual rapists but political, marketing, mind rapists, and you’ll see similarities to the other guys. it’s not coincidence!! FLAKES!! FLAKES!! WE”RE HUNGRY FREAKS DADDY!!!!! CALL ANY VEGITABLE, THEY”LL AGREE!!!! OPEN YOUR MIND!!! DON”T BE SUCH A TOOL TO THE SYSTEM. DON”T BELIEVE WHAT THEY PRINT IN THEIR PAPERS, DON”T BELIEVE WHAT THE PUT ON YOUR TELEVISIONS. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!!! DRAWL YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS!!
Comment by Dr. Yobb — September 6, 2007 @ 1:37 pm |
The very name of this blog raises questions in my mind……brownback, does that have anything to do with shoddy diapers, a poopoo fetish community…..Eintracht Braunhemd und die 7 Nazis maybe.
Although the writes of this blog oppose drugs it makes me wonder what substance they were on. Truly natural born weirdos, can’t make more of your logic. if you were this way beeing in europe you would possibly end up in a religious nutcase freakshow at dinnertime.
Comment by Kathuul — September 6, 2007 @ 1:46 pm |
Sisyphus and Psychout are the reason why the world hates America despite the fact that most of us Americans don’t share their bigoted views.
They sure love censorship and altering blogs though, the very thing Zappa stood up against. Thats the real reason these two cretinous charlatans started this blog page.
Comment by spacebrother — September 6, 2007 @ 2:04 pm |
only a Dyslectic could write as much shite as you, psycheout!!!!
Comment by Von Geigenhausen — September 6, 2007 @ 2:45 pm |
After having read most of the comments here, I don’t quite know where to start. Here’s my best effort. First of all, Mr. Zappa is not supporting incest in this clip. He is supporting free speech, and the rights of musicians to record songs about whatever they see fit. Around the same time, Mr. Zappa testified before Congress during the PMRC hearings-along with John Denver. Both men made statements supporting the freedom of musicians to record and release music.
Secondly, the level of discourse here is disappointing, to say the least. When one side raises a potentially valid point, the other responds not by addressing it, but with name-calling. What could be a potentially interesting discussion regarding freedom of speech and expression has degenerated into a mud-slinging session. And finally, I think there is no shortage of more useful things to discuss than a 21-year-old clip from Crossfire. Of all the things going on in the world today (war, famine, poverty, genocide), I would think that this should ultimately rank pretty low in terms of priority. That’s all for now.
Comment by PIPCO — September 6, 2007 @ 4:12 pm |
You have every right to say what you think but you have to narrow a view of Mr Zappa. He was funny, caring, hugely intelligent and a musical genius, and im sure his wife and four children loved and miss him terribly. He was taken to young and is missed by many. I for one would love to know what he, John Lennon, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Curt Cobain, Robert Calvert, Janis Joplin, et al have to say about what is going on in the northern hemisphere of this world of ours. WHO SINGS PROTEST SONGS NOW HUH? It sure as hell aint Britney or x factor.
Are we having a good time yet?
Comment by Steve — September 6, 2007 @ 4:32 pm |
PS – Just remember there is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over!
Viva Zappa
Love and Peace
MindfooD
Comment by Steve — September 6, 2007 @ 4:34 pm |
If everyone worried about their own problems as much as they worry about other people, the world would be a lot better off.
Zappa speaks truth.
1st amendment
Comment by Bobby Brown — September 6, 2007 @ 4:47 pm |
conservatives… the only people I know filled with as much hate and ignorance as an islamist. You people belong in pre wwII germany for all the love you spew. Frank was expressing how we all live in AMERICA, and the we can say what we want. I feel that only people who fear the truth are offended by it. You right-wing conservatives, what are you afraid of? That your religion is bullpoop? That you arent as smart as the guys on the other side of the aisle? I’m registered independant, because I think for myself,,,, you darned republicans… everywhere I go… republicans seem to be synonymous with retard. Censorship, like you are supporting here, belongs in china. I, for one, am happy to live here in the land of the free and the brave… you republicans… if you dont believe 100% of 10 amendments, should go do what cheney espouses… go **** yourself.
Comment by chris — September 6, 2007 @ 5:04 pm |
*@#$ you Frank Zappa is the *@#$!!!! I don’t give a *@#$. FREEDOM OF SPEECH. what are you going to get mad about what i say not what i do
[Ed Note: Well said, enraged monkey boy.]
Comment by Brent — September 6, 2007 @ 5:52 pm |
If you think Zappa was a liberal, your definitions of “conservative” and liberal” are totally screwed up. Frank Zappa was a very outspoken Constitutional Conservative. He believed in peoples individual rights, and a smaller, less intrusive government. The basic point Frank tries to make in that video is that the GOVERNMENT does not (and should not) have the right to decide what I can and cannot see, hear, and say. That decision should be mine, and mine alone. If an artist feels like writing a song about incest, that’s his choice. Your choice is to not listen to it. If you want to organize a protest against it, and speak out about how much you hate it, go ahead. That’s your choice. But the government has no right to ban such material.
“I disapprove of what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.”
-Voltaire
And, speaking as a classically educated musician….Frank was an absolute musical genius. Decades ahead of his time.
Comment by SilentTuba — September 6, 2007 @ 7:25 pm |
Uh….Sisyphus? Why have you chosen the name of a Greek King, condemned to Greek Hell? This is not biblical.
Comment by Colin Miller — September 6, 2007 @ 7:31 pm |
http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070904/480/5ca0cf5624ad4cb59c18a7e2ebe0f469
Comment by William H. Daniels — September 6, 2007 @ 7:34 pm |
America isn’t about blind obedience to authority. Frank Zappa’s Sicilian heritage must have helped prepare him for confronting hypocrisy and corruption here in America. That makes him a threat to the status quo, much like Jesus was in his day. To have a great society you need hard work and obedience as well as mechanisms for challenging and stopping when we’re on the wrong path. I drive a car with both a gas pedal and a brake. The brake goes against what the gas pedal is trying to do and only takes away from my momentum and gas mileage, does that make it evil? Unpatriotic? Balance requires opposing forces, like yin and yang. Your body is a harmonious mixture of hard and soft working together for the common good. An Earth filled with Zappas would probably be a bad thing, but so would an Earth filled with Falwells or Pat Robertsons.
Some of Frank Zappa’s music is way out there. It doesn’t fit a mold, and that makes us who listen to it guilty by association. It encourages us to be different. That makes us more difficult to give orders to, get up at 5AM in the six figure suburban home, kiss the 2.5 kids and the wife goodbye, go to work in an SUV to the office, stick it to the subordinates, take all the credit to get a better raise and more responsibility and prestige, and learn to play and love golf. It works for some people but for others it’s hell.
Comment by Ronald — September 6, 2007 @ 8:44 pm |
Music is the best. So kiss my f@*#ing ass all that are bashing on Mr. Zappa
Comment by Jeremy — September 6, 2007 @ 9:23 pm |
Hey Ed Note (you love that monkey boy and you know it!): You’ll probably choke on a BURNT WEENIE SANDWICH with Psycheout, Brownback, Catholic pedophiles, Muslim homos, future Virginia Tech mass murderers, etc. You won’t win in this blog or in politics. I’m here to protect the truth about Frank… a nice man who loved his wife and children and did not rape his daughters or anyone else, was not a hippie and never took drugs. He told the truth about STUPIDITY and we love him for that. How much longer will you and your cohorts in bad taste prove that you are the STUPID ones? This is really pitiful… on both sides… I’m not impressed with profanity in either direction, so DUMMY UP people! I love you all! Right…
Comment by swamizappa — September 6, 2007 @ 9:29 pm |
Um so it seems you buy into the whole Christianity thing but have you ever read the Bible? Are you capable of logical conclusions? If someone gave you a clear argument that is truly valid, would you understand and agree?
I doubt it…for your bladder and him, it’s too hot for you where he is.
With that in mind it suffices to say you can’t go someplace warm or your pussy would melt and you wouldn’t be able to pee… Zappa is too awesome to have your rotten melting unsexuality drip on him… good thing for your bladder and him you don’t want to go where he is (under your assumptions).
Comment by Dot — September 6, 2007 @ 11:37 pm |
“ram it , ram it , ram it , ram it up the poop-shoot .”
Sure. This man was not a pervert. Sure.
“only a Dyslectic could write as much shite as you, psycheout!!!!”
Spoken like a true Dyslexic.
“Uh….Sisyphus? Why have you chosen the name of a Greek King, condemned to Greek Hell? This is not biblical.”
No, but arguing with you people sure makes me feel like him sometimes.
“Um so it seems you buy into the whole Christianity thing but have you ever read the Bible? Are you capable of logical conclusions? If someone gave you a clear argument that is truly valid, would you understand and agree?”
Yes, yes, and yes. Unfortunately, clear argument is in short supply on this thread. Plenty of ad hominems and profanity, little in the way of logical argument.
Comment by Sisyphus — September 7, 2007 @ 9:03 am |
OKAY, YOU HAVE MY FULL ATTENTION THEN:
PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS GENTLEMEN,
LET’S MEET AT ZAPPA’S GRAVE WHERE I SHALL GIVE YOU A SHOVEL SO YOU CAN EXHUME AND BURN THE BODY, LIKE YOU WANTED IT TO. OF COURSE I WILL FILM THIS AND PUT IT ON YOUTUBE FOR YOUR GLORY AND THE WHOLE WORLD TO SEE. YOU CAN ALSO EXPLAIN WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO THE FREE POLICE ESCORT THAT I WILL PROVIDE TO YOU, YOU CAN TELL THEM THAT YOU DID THIS ON A MISSION FROM GOD, THEY WILL RESPECT THAT,YOU BET. DOING THIS YOU WILL TRULY PROVE THAT YOU ARE NOT A WEIRD HIPPIE BUT A LAW ABIDING GOD FEARING CITIZEN.
LOTS OF LOVE AND RESPECT.
Comment by Blackback — September 7, 2007 @ 9:45 am |
Kill the weirdos, do it do it do it.
America needs gas chambers and Gestapo, alles aufräumen, kaputtschieSSen.
All hippies must die, die, die
The world shall be tortured and chastised and shall burn,
vote for the Fourth Reich
Sysyphus, you have lovely thighs,
thanks for beeing a good friend!
Comment by Adolf Hitler — September 7, 2007 @ 9:55 am |
OKAY, YOU HAVE MY FULL ATTENTION THEN:
PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS GENTLEMEN,
LET’S MEET AT ZAPPA’S GRAVE WHERE I SHALL GIVE YOU A SHOVEL SO YOU CAN EXHUME AND BURN THE BODY, LIKE YOU WANTED IT TO. OF COURSE I WILL FILM THIS AND PUT IT ON YOUTUBE FOR YOUR GLORY AND THE WHOLE WORLD TO SEE. YOU CAN ALSO EXPLAIN WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO THE FREE POLICE ESCORT THAT I WILL PROVIDE TO YOU, YOU CAN TELL THEM THAT YOU DID THIS ON A MISSION FROM GOD, THEY WILL RESPECT THAT,YOU BET. DOING THIS YOU WILL TRULY PROVE THAT YOU ARE NOT A WEIRD HIPPIE BUT A LAW ABIDING GOD FEARING CITIZEN.
LOTS OF LOVE AND RESPECT.
Comment by Blackback — September 7, 2007 @ 9:57 am |
The Unitied States is supposed to be the most liberated country. Although this country is the most prudent country in the world. The bible pushers want to suppress all information that maybe be lewd, but in all reality the bible has some of the most lewd and disgraceful acts in it. I guess they just want forget about the prostituition, incest, rape, murder,and other uncany things. If you the government wants to censure free speech they might as well censure free thought.
Comment by Andy — September 7, 2007 @ 10:20 am |
Dear Sisyphus,
heard you complain about “Plenty of ad hominems and profanity”
In the beginning of this blog you speak about:”We should exhume his body and burn it in a dumpster”.
According to any logical thinking human, desecrating a body and then burning it, is VERY VERY profane.
You also write that “Spammers should be shot”
As far as I know, killing is a sin.
Shame on you for calling yourself a Christian
Comment by Reswati — September 7, 2007 @ 11:39 am |
“According to any logical thinking human…”
With that sentence fragment there you’ve just excluded Sisyphus. Remember that he is the person that think subatomic particles make moral choices, and that protons are Satan’s answer to the Godly electrons.
“Spammers should be shot”
He’s a Christian. Christians are the most compassionate people on Earth; so compassionate that they encourage the mass murder of entire groups of people.
Comment by Adam Nelson — September 7, 2007 @ 12:00 pm |
SCREW YOU ZAPPA RULES. WHY WOULD YOU BASH ZAPPA? FAG!
Comment by AL GORE — September 7, 2007 @ 1:10 pm |
Lol, Adam……
Comment by Reswati — September 7, 2007 @ 5:21 pm |
I suppose it was only a matter of time before one of your sub-species became literate enought to post. You were quite obviously dropped at birth.
Comment by indicadave — September 7, 2007 @ 6:17 pm |
Whatever. Brownback isn’t even getting the nomination. Its conservative religeous zealotry thats screwed this country up to this point and the backlash will not be pretty.
Comment by Bobby Brown — September 7, 2007 @ 6:26 pm |
YOU ARE A FLYING blue meanieTARD!!!!
Comment by Yo' Mutha — September 7, 2007 @ 9:18 pm |
Well, I was going to write something, but Zappa Fans seem to have said it all. Withhout Frank, I would not be the great person I am today. Anybody who would write “We should exhume his body and burn it in a dumpster” is much more dispicable person than Mr. Zappa.
[Ed Note: So you didn’t write something? Wait, I’m confused.]
Comment by EC Carolan — September 7, 2007 @ 9:59 pm |
[Ed Note: how about you actually debate posts instead of altering them and inserting these pathetic ED NOTE tags?]
Comment by Adam Nelson — September 7, 2007 @ 10:49 pm |
I’m finding it yet another surprise that I have some unusual degree of endurance I wouldn’t have expected to have as evidenced by my ability to have read this entire page. This is something that the lowest of rotgut yellow tabloid journals would refuse to publish if only because even they had a bottom they wouldn’t sink lower than. Not so for this blog! But people took the bait and believed it worth commenting on or arguing with. It can be said that at least *trash* represents something that was at one time of use. Not so here!
The only truly regrettable here is that decent people thought it worth their time to keep it afloat rather than letting it sink into oblivion.
Hah! And I even wasted a few sentences on this putrid slop too!
Comment by Batchain — September 8, 2007 @ 3:13 am |
Ed: Kiss our ASSES, you right wing PRICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Frank Zappa RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Perez Hilton — September 8, 2007 @ 3:31 am |
AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT :
Platypus
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Platypus[1]
Conservation status
Least Concern (IUCN) [2]
Scientific classification
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Monotremata
Family: Ornithorhynchidae
Genus: Ornithorhynchus
Blumenbach, 1800
Species: O. anatinus
Binomial name
Ornithorhynchus anatinus
(Shaw, 1799)
Platypus range (indicated by darker shading)
Platypus range (indicated by darker shading)[3]
The Platypus (Ornithorhynchus anatinus) is a semi-aquatic mammal endemic to eastern Australia, including Tasmania. Together with the four species of echidna, it is one of the five extant species of monotremes, the only mammals that lay eggs instead of giving birth to live young. It is the sole living representative of its family (Ornithorhynchidae) and genus (Ornithorhynchus), though a number of related species have been found in the fossil record.
The bizarre appearance of this egg-laying, duck-billed mammal baffled European naturalists when they first encountered it, with some considering it an elaborate fraud. It is one of the few venomous mammals; the male Platypus has a spur on the hind foot which delivers a poison capable of causing severe pain to humans. The unique features of the Platypus make it an important subject in the study of evolutionary biology and a recognizable and iconic symbol of Australia; it has appeared as a mascot at national events and is featured on the reverse of the Australian 20 cent coin.
Until the early 20th century it was hunted for its fur, but it is now protected throughout its range. Although captive breeding programs have had only limited success and the Platypus is vulnerable to the effects of pollution, it is not under any immediate threat.
Contents
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* 1 Taxonomy and etymology
* 2 Description
o 2.1 Venom
o 2.2 Electrolocation
* 3 Ecology and behaviour
o 3.1 Reproduction
* 4 In mammalian evolution
* 5 Conservation status
* 6 In popular culture
* 7 See also
* 8 Notes
* 9 References
* 10 External links
[edit] Taxonomy and etymology
When the Platypus was first discovered by Europeans in 1798, a pelt and sketch were sent back to the United Kingdom by Captain John Hunter, the second Governor of New South Wales.[4] The British scientists were at first convinced that the odd collection of physical attributes must have been a hoax.[3] George Shaw, who produced the first description of the animal in the Naturalist’s Miscellany in 1799 stated that it was impossible not to entertain doubts as to its genuine nature, and Robert Knox believed it may have been produced by some Asian taxidermist.[5] It was thought that somebody had sewn a duck’s beak onto the body of a beaver-like animal. Shaw even took a pair of scissors to the dried skin to check for stitches.[3]
The common name, Platypus, is Latin derived from the Greek words πλατύς (“platys”, flat, broad) and πους (“pous”, foot), meaning “flat foot”.[6] Shaw assigned it as a Linnaean genus name when he initially described it, but the term was quickly discovered to already belong to the wood-boring ambrosia beetle (genus Platypus).[7] It was independently described as Ornithorhynchus paradoxus by Johann Blumenbach in 1800 (from a specimen given to him by Sir Joseph Banks)[8] and following the rules of priority of nomenclature it was later officially recognised as Ornithorhynchus anatinus.[7] The scientific name Ornithorhynchus is derived from ορνιθόρυγχος (“ornithorhynkhos”), which literally means “bird snout” in Greek, and anatinus which means “duck-like” in Latin.
There is no universally agreed upon plural of “platypus” in the English language. Scientists generally use “platypuses” or simply “platypus”. Colloquially, “platypi” is also used for the plural, although this is pseudo-Latin.[3] Early British settlers called it by many names, such as watermole, duckbill, and duckmole.[3] The name “Platypus” is often prefixed with the adjective “duck-billed” to form Duck-billed Platypus, despite there being only one species of Platypus.[9]
[edit] Description
The body and the broad, flat tail of the Platypus are covered with dense brown fur that traps a layer of insulating air to keep the animal warm.[3][7] The Platypus uses its tail for storage of fat reserves, an adaptation it shares with the Tasmanian Devil.[10] It has webbed feet and a large, rubbery snout; these are features that appear closer to those of a duck than to those of any known mammal. The webbing is more significant on the front feet and is folded back when walking on land.[7] Unlike a bird’s beak (in which both the upper and lower parts of the beak separate to reveal its mouth), the snout of the Platypus is a sensory organ with the mouth on the underside. The nostrils are located on the dorsal surface of the snout while the eyes and ears are located in a groove set just back from it; this groove is closed when swimming.[7] Platypuses have been heard to emit a low growl when disturbed and a range of other vocalisations have been reported in captive specimens.[3]
A colour print of platypuses from 1863
A colour print of platypuses from 1863
Weight varies considerably from 700 g (1.54 lb) to 2.4 kg (5.3 lb) with males being larger than females: males average 50 cm (20 in) total length while females average 43 cm (17 in).[7] There is substantial variation in average size from one region to another, and this pattern does not seem to follow any particular climatic rule and may be due to other environmental factors such as predation and human encroachment.[11]
The Platypus has an average body temperature of 31–32 °C (88–90 °F) rather than the 37 °C (100 °F) typical of placental mammals.[12] Research suggests this has been a gradual adaptation to harsh environmental conditions on the part of the small number of surviving monotreme species rather than a historical characteristic of monotremes.[13][14]
Modern Platypus young have three-cusped molars which they lose before or just after leaving the breeding burrow;[15][16] adults have heavily keratinised pads in their place.[7] The Platypus jaw is constructed differently from that of other mammals, and the jaw opening muscle is different.[7] As in all true mammals, the tiny bones that conduct sound in the middle ear are fully incorporated into the skull, rather than lying in the jaw as in cynodonts and other pre-mammalian synapsids. However, the external opening of the ear still lies at the base of the jaw.[7] The Platypus has extra bones in the shoulder girdle, including an interclavicle, which is not found in other mammals.[7] It has a reptilian gait, with legs that are on the sides of the body, rather than underneath.[7]
[edit] Venom
Main article: Platypus venom
The calcaneus spur found on the male’s hind limb is used to deliver venom.
The calcaneus spur found on the male’s hind limb is used to deliver venom.
The male Platypus has venomous ankle spurs which produce a cocktail of venom, composed largely of defensin-like proteins (DLPs), which is unique to the Platypus.[17] Although powerful enough to kill smaller animals,[17] the venom is not lethal to humans, but does produce excruciating pain; so intense that the victim may be incapacitated. Oedema rapidly develops around the wound and gradually spreads throughout the affected limb. Information obtained from case histories and anecdotal evidence indicates that the pain develops into a long-lasting hyperalgesia that persists for days or even months.[18][19] Venom is produced in the crural glands of the male, which are kidney-shaped alveolar glands connected by a thin-walled duct to a calcaneus spur on each hind limb. The female Platypus, in common with echidnas, has rudimentary spur buds which do not develop (dropping off before the end of their first year) and lack functional crural glands.[7]
The venom appears to have a different function from those produced by non-mammalian species: its effects are non-life threatening but nevertheless powerful enough to seriously impair the victim. Since only males produce venom and production rises during the breeding season it is theorized that it is used as an offensive weapon to assert dominance during this period.[17]
[edit] Electrolocation
Monotremes are the only mammals known to have a sense of electroreception: they locate their prey in part by detecting electric fields generated by muscular contractions. The Platypus’ electroreception is the most sensitive of any monotreme.[20]
The electroreceptors are located in rostro-caudal rows in the skin of the bill, while mechanoreceptors (which detect touch) are uniformly distributed across the bill. The electrosensory area of the cerebral cortex is contained within the tactile somatosensory area, and some cortical cells receive input from both electroreceptors and mechanoreceptors, suggesting a close association between the tactile and electric senses. Both electroreceptors and mechanoreceptors in the bill dominate the somatotopic map of the platypus brain, in the same way human hands dominate the Panfield homunculus map.[21][22]
The Platypus can determine the direction of an electric source, perhaps by comparing differences in signal strength across the sheet of electroreceptors. This would explain the animal’s characteristic side-to-side motion of its head while hunting. The cortical convergence of electrosensory and tactile inputs suggests a mechanism for determining the distance of prey items which, when they move, emit both electrical signals and mechanical pressure pulses, which would also allow for computation of distance from the difference in time of arrival of the two signals.[20]
The Platypus feeds by digging in the bottom of streams with its bill. The electroreceptors could be used to distinguish animate and inanimate objects in this situation (in which the mechanoreceptors would be continuously stimulated).[20] When disturbed, its prey would generate tiny electrical currents in their muscular contractions which the sensitive electroreceptors of the Platypus could detect. Experiments have shown that the Platypus will even react to an ‘artificial shrimp’ if a small electrical current is passed through it.[23]
[edit] Ecology and behaviour
The platypus is very hard to spot even on the surface of a river.
The platypus is very hard to spot even on the surface of a river.
The Platypus is semi-aquatic, inhabiting small streams and rivers over an extensive range from the cold highlands of Tasmania and the Australian Alps to the tropical rainforests of coastal Queensland as far north as the base of the Cape York Peninsula.[24] Inland, its distribution is not well known: it is extinct in South Australia (barring an introduced population on Kangaroo Island)[25] and is no longer found in the main part of the Murray-Darling Basin, possibly due to the declining water quality brought about by extensive land clearing and irrigation schemes.[26] Along the coastal river systems, its distribution is unpredictable; it appears to be absent from some relatively healthy rivers, and yet maintains a presence in others that are quite degraded (the lower Maribyrnong, for example).[27]
In captivity Platypuses have survived to seventeen years of age and wild specimens have been recaptured at eleven years old. Mortality rates for adults in the wild appear to be low.[7] Natural predators include snakes, water rats, goannas, hawks, owls and eagles. Low Platypus numbers in the northern Australia are possibly due to predation by crocodiles.[28] The introduction of red foxes as a predator for rabbits may have had some impact on its numbers on the mainland.[11] The Platypus is generally regarded as nocturnal and crepuscular, but individuals are also active during the day, particularly when the sky is overcast.[29][30] Its habitat bridges rivers and the riparian zone for both a food supply of prey species and banks where it can dig resting and nesting burrows.[30] It may have a range of up to 7 km (4.4 mi) with male’s home ranges overlapping with those of 3 or 4 females.[31]
The Platypus is an excellent swimmer and spends much of its time in the water foraging for food. When swimming it can be distinguished from other Australian mammals by the absence of visible ears.[32] Uniquely among mammals it propels itself when swimming by alternate rowing motion with the front two feet; although all four feet of the Platypus are webbed, the hind feet (which are held against the body) do not assist in propulsion, but are used for steering in combination with the tail.[33] The species is endothermic, maintaining its low body temperature, even while foraging for hours in water below 5 °C (41 °F).[7]
Dives normally last around 30 seconds, but can last longer although few exceed the estimated aerobic limit of 40 seconds. 10 to 20 seconds are commonly spent in recovery at the surface.[34][35] The Platypus is a carnivore: it feeds on annelid worms and insect larvae, freshwater shrimps, and yabbies (freshwater crayfish) that it digs out of the riverbed with its snout or catches while swimming. It utilizes cheek-pouches to carry prey to the surface where they are eaten.[32] The Platypus needs to eat about 20% of its own weight each day. This requires the Platypus to spend an average of 12 hours each day looking for food.[34] When not in the water, the Platypus retires to a short, straight resting burrow of oval cross-section, nearly always in the riverbank not far above water level, and often hidden under a protective tangle of roots.[32]
[edit] Reproduction
When the Platypus was first discovered scientists were divided over whether the female laid eggs. This was not confirmed until 1884 when W.H. Caldwell was sent to Australia where, after extensive searching assisted by a team of 150 aborigines, he managed to discover a few eggs.[7][17] Mindful of the high cost of wiring England based on the cost per word, Caldwell famously but tersely wired London, “Monotremes oviparous, ovum meroblastic.” That is, monotremes lay eggs. The yolk is absorbed by the developing young.[36]
The species exhibits a single breeding season, with mating occurring between June and October, with some local variation taking place in populations across the extent of its range.[28] Historical observation, mark and recapture studies and preliminary investigations of population genetics indicate the possibility of resident and transient members of populations and suggest a polygynous mating system.[37] Females are thought likely to become sexually mature in their second year, with breeding confirmed to still take place in animals over nine years old.[37]
Outside the mating season, the Platypus lives in a simple ground burrow whose entrance is about 30 cm (1 ft) above the water level. After mating, the female constructs a deeper, more elaborate burrow up to 20 m (66 ft) long and blocked with plugs at intervals (which may act as a safeguard against rising waters or predators, or as a method of regulating humidity and temperature).[38] The male takes no part in caring for its young, and retreats to its yearlong burrow. The female softens the ground in the burrow with dead, folded, wet leaves and she fills the nest at the end of the tunnel with fallen leaves and reeds for bedding material. This material is dragged to the nest by tucking it underneath her curled tail.[3]
The female Platypus has a pair of ovaries but only the left one is functional.[29] It lays one to three (usually two) small, leathery eggs (similar to those of reptiles), that are about 11 mm (7/16 inches) in diameter and slightly rounder than bird eggs.[39] The eggs develop in utero for about 28 days with only about 10 days of external incubation (in contrast to a chicken egg which spends about 1 day in tract and 21 days externally).[29] After laying her eggs, the female curls around them. The incubation period is separated into three parts. In the first, the embryo has no functional organs and relies on the yolk sac for sustenance. During the second, the digits develop, and in the last, the egg tooth appears.[40]
The newly hatched young are vulnerable, blind, and hairless, and are fed by the mother’s milk. Although possessing mammary glands, the Platypus lacks teats. Instead, milk is released through pores in the skin. There are grooves on her abdomen that form pools of milk, allowing the young to lap it up.[3][28] After they hatch, the offspring are suckled for three to four months. During incubation and weaning, the mother initially only leaves the burrow for short periods to forage. When doing so, she creates a number of thin soil plugs along the length of burrow possibly to protect the young from predators; pushing past these on her return forces water from her fur and allows the burrow to remain dry.[41] After about five weeks, the mother begins to spend more time away from her young and at around four months the young emerge from the burrow.[28]
[edit] In mammalian evolution
Platypus skeleton
Platypus skeleton
The Platypus and other monotremes were very poorly understood for many years and some of the 19th century myths that grew up around them, for example, that the monotremes were “inferior” or quasi-reptilian, still endure.[42] It is now generally accepted that modern monotremes are the survivors of an early branching of the mammal tree; a later branching is thought to have led to the marsupial and placental groups.[43][42] Although in 1947, William King Gregory had theorized that placental mammals and marsupials may have diverged earlier with a subsequent branching dividing the monotremes and marsupials, later research and fossil discoveries have suggested this is incorrect.[42][44]
The oldest discovered fossil of the modern Platypus dates back to about 100,000 years ago, during the Quaternary period. The extinct monotremes (Teinolophos and Steropodon) were closely related to the modern Platypus.[44] The fossilised Steropodon was discovered in New South Wales and is composed of an opalised lower jawbone with three molar teeth (whereas the adult contemporary Platypus is toothless). The molar teeth were initially thought to be tribosphenic which would have supported a variation of Gregory’s theory, but later research has suggested while they have three cusps they evolved under a separate process.[15] The fossil is thought to be about 110 million years old, which means that the Platypus-like animal was alive during the Cretaceous period, making it the oldest mammal fossil found in Australia. Monotrematum sudamericanum, another fossil relative of the Platypus has been found in Argentina, indicating that monotremes were present in the supercontinent of Gondwana when the continents of South America and Australia were joined via Antarctica (up to about 167 million years ago).[15][45]
Because of the early divergence from the therian mammals and the low numbers of extant monotreme species, it is a frequent subject of research in evolutionary biology. In 2004, researchers at the Australian National University discovered the Platypus has ten sex chromosomes, compared to two (XY) found in most other mammals (for instance, a male Platypus is always XYXYXYXYXY). Furthermore, one of the Platypus’ Y chromosomes shares genes with the ZZ/ZW sex chromosomes found in birds. This news further pronounced the individuality of the Platypus in the animal kingdom.[46] However it lacks the mammalian sex-determining gene SRY, meaning that the process of sex determination in the Platypus remains unknown.[47]
[edit] Conservation status
Except for its loss from the state of South Australia, the Platypus occupies the same general distribution as it did prior to European settlement of Australia. However, local changes and fragmentation of distribution due to human modification of its habitat are documented. Its current and historical abundance, however, is less well known and it has probably declined in numbers, although still being considered as common over most of its current range.[30] The species was extensively hunted for its fur until the early years of the 20th century and, although protected throughout Australia in 1905,[41] up until about 1950 it was still at risk of drowning in the nets of inland fisheries.[26] The Platypus does not appear to be in immediate danger of extinction thanks to conservation measures, but it could be impacted by habitat disruption caused by dams, irrigation, pollution, netting and trapping.[2] The IUCN lists the Platypus on its Red List as Least Concern.[2]
A depiction of a Platypus from a book for children published in Germany in 1798
A depiction of a Platypus from a book for children published in Germany in 1798
A fungal infection poses a possible threat to Platypuses in Tasmania. The fungus, Mucor amphiborum causes ulceration on the body that can lead to problems with thermoregulation and death from secondary infections. The same fungus so far causes no problems to the Platypus on the Australian mainland. The Tasmania Parks and Wildlife Service and Biodiversity Conservation Branch Department of Primary Industries and Water are collaborating to monitor the effects of the infection on the Platypus population in Tasmania.[48] Platypuses in Tasmania tend to be larger than those found in the mainland of Australia, possibly because of the lack of introduced predators. The failure to establish the red fox in particular is theorized to be a contributing factor to both the greater average size and abundance of the Platypus in the state.[11]
Much of the world was introduced to the Platypus in 1939 when National Geographic magazine published an article on the Platypus and the efforts to study and raise it in captivity. This is a difficult task, and only a few young have been successfully raised since — notably at Healesville Sanctuary in Victoria. The leading figure in these efforts was David Fleay who established a platypussary — a simulated stream in a tank — at the Healesville Sanctuary and had a successful breeding in 1943. In 1972, he found a dead baby of about 50 days old, which had presumably been born in captivity, at his wildlife park at Burleigh Heads on the Gold Coast, Queensland.[49] Healesville repeated its success in 1998 and again in 2000 with a similar stream tank. Taronga Zoo in Sydney bred twins in 2003, and had another birth in 2006.[50]
[edit] In popular culture
The Platypus is sometimes jokingly referred to as proof that God has a sense of humour (at the beginning of the film Dogma for example). Its unusual appearance has led to it featuring in many media, particularly in its native Australia.
The Platypus has been used several times as a mascot: “Syd” the Platypus was one of the three mascots chosen for the Sydney 2000 Olympics along with an echidna and a kookaburra,[51] while Hexley the Platypus is the mascot for Apple Computer’s BSD-based Darwin operating system, Mac OS X.[52]
[edit] See also
* Australian fauna
* List of venomous mammals
* Henry Burrell
[edit] Notes
1. ^ Groves, Colin (16 November 2005). in Wilson, D. E., and Reeder, D. M. (eds): Mammal Species of the World, 3rd edition, Johns Hopkins University Press, 2. ISBN 0-801-88221-4.
2. ^ a b c Australasian Marsupial & Monotreme Specialist Group (1996). Ornithorhynchus anatinus. 2006 IUCN Red List of Threatened Species. IUCN 2006. Retrieved on 09 May 2006. Database entry includes a brief justification of why this species is of least concern
3. ^ a b c d e f g h i Platypus facts file. Australian Platypus Conservancy. Retrieved on 13 September 2006.
4. ^ Brian K. Hall (1999-03). “The Paradoxical Platypus”. BioScience 49 (3): 211–218.
5. ^ Duck-billed Platypus. Museum of hoaxes. Retrieved on 14 September 2006.
6. ^ Liddell & Scott (1980). Greek-English Lexicon, Abridged Edition. Oxford University Press, Oxford, UK. ISBN 0-19-910207-4.
7. ^ a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o J.R.Grant. Fauna of Australia chap.16 vol.1b. Australian Biological Resources Study (ABRS). Retrieved on 13 September 2006.
8. ^ Platypus Paradoxes. National Library of Australia (2001–08). Retrieved on 14 September 2006.
9. ^ The Platypus. Department of Anatomy & Physiology, University of Tasmania (1997-07-03). Retrieved on 14 September 2006.
10. ^ Guiler, E.R. (1983). “Tasmanian Devil”, in R. Strahan Ed.: The Australian Museum Complete Book of Australian Mammals. Angus & Robertson, 27–28. ISBN 0-207-14454-0.
11. ^ a b c Sarah Munks and Stewart Nicol (1999–05). Current research on the platypus, Ornithorhynchus anatinus in Tasmania: Abstracts from the 1999 ‘Tasmanian Platypus WORKSHOP’. University of Tasmania. Retrieved on 23 October 2006.
12. ^ Thermal Biology of the Platypus. Davidson College (1999). Retrieved on 14 September 2006.
13. ^ J.M. Watson and J.A.M. Graves (1988). “Monotreme Cell-Cycles and the Evolution of Homeothermy”. Australian Journal of Zoology 36 (5): 573–584.
14. ^ T.J. Dawson, T.R. Grant and D. Fanning (1979). “Standard Metabolism of Monotremes and the Evolution of Homeothermy”. Australian Journal of Zoology 27 (4): 511–515.
15. ^ a b c Pascual, R., Goin, F.J., Balarino, L., and Udrizar Sauthier, D.E. (2002). “New data on the Paleocene monotreme Monotrematum sudamericanum, and the convergent evolution of triangulate molars”. Acta Palaeontologica Polonica 47 (3): 487–492.
16. ^ Hugh Race. Living mammals are placentals (eutheria), marsupials, and monotremes. Geowords. Retrieved on 19 September 2006.
17. ^ a b c d Gerritsen, Vivienne Baillie (2002-12). “Platypus poison”. Protein Spotlight (29). Retrieved on 14 September 2006.
18. ^ G. M. de Plater, P. J. Milburn and R. L. Martin (2001-3). “Venom From the Platypus, Ornithorhynchus anatinus, Induces a Calcium-Dependent Current in Cultured Dorsal Root Ganglion Cells”. Journal of Neurophysiology 85 (3): 1340–1345.
19. ^ The venom of the platypus (Ornithorhynchus anatinus). Retrieved on 13 September 2006.
20. ^ a b c Pettigrew, John D. (1999). “Electroreception in Monotremes”. The Journal of Experimental Biology (202): 1447–1454. Retrieved on 19 September 2006.
21. ^ Pettigrew, John D.; P R Manger, and S L Fine (1998). “The sensory world of the platypus”. Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society of London (353): 1199-1210. Retrieved on 8 August 2007.
22. ^ Dawkins, Richard (2004). “The Duckbill’s Tale”, The Ancestor’s Tale, A Pilgrimage to the Dawn of Life. Boston: Houghton Mifflin Company. ISBN 0-618-00583-8.
23. ^ Manning, A & Dawkins, M.S. (1998). An Introduction to Animal Behaviour Fifth Edition. Cambridge University Press.
24. ^ Platypus. Department of Primary Industries and Water, Tasmania (2006-08-31). Retrieved on 12 October 2006.
25. ^ Research on Kangaroo Island. University of Adelaide (2006-07-04). Retrieved on 23 October 2006.
26. ^ a b Anthony Scott and Tom Grant (1997-11). Impacts of water management in the Murray-Darling Basin on the platypus (Ornithorhynchus anatinus) and the water rat (Hydromus chrysogaster). CSIRO Australia. Retrieved on 23 October 2006.
27. ^ Platypus in Country Areas. Australian Platypus Conservancy. Retrieved on 23 October 2006.
28. ^ a b c d Platypus. Environmental Protection Agency/Queensland Parks and Wildlife Service (2006). Retrieved on 24 October 2006.
29. ^ a b c Erica Cromer (2004-04-14). Monotreme Reproductive Biology and Behavior. Iowa State University. Retrieved on 23 October 2006.
30. ^ a b c T.G. Grant and P. D. Temple-Smith (1998-07-29). “Field Biology of the Platypus (Ornithorhynchus Anatinus): Historical and Current Perspectives”. Philosophical Transactions: Biological Sciences 353 (1372): 1081–1091.
31. ^ J.L. Gardner and M. Serena (1995). “Spatial-Organization and Movement Patterns of Adult Male Platypus, Ornithorhynchus-Anatinus (Monotremata, Ornithorhynchidae)”. Australian Journal of Zoology 43 (1): 91–103.
32. ^ a b c Platypus. Parks and Wildlife Service Tasmania (2003-12). Retrieved on 23 October 2006.
33. ^ F.E. Fish, R.V. Baudinette, P.B. Frappell, and M.P. Sarre (1997-07-28). “Energetics of Swimming by the Platypus Ornithorhynchus Anatinus: Metabolic Effort Associated with Rowing”. The Journal of Experimental Biology 200 (20): 2647–2652.
34. ^ a b Philip Bethge (2002-04). Energetics and foraging behaviour of the platypus. University of Tasmania. Retrieved on 23 October 2006.
35. ^ H. Kruuk (1993). “The Diving Behaviour of the Platypus (Ornithorhynchus anatinus) in Waters with Different Trophic Status”. The Journal of Applied Ecology 30 (4): 592–598.
36. ^ Ockhams Razor. The Puzzling Platypus. Retrieved on 2006-12-02.
37. ^ a b T.R. Grant, M. Griffiths and R.M.C. Leckie. “Aspects of Lactation in the Platypus, Ornithorhynchus anatinus (Monotremata), in Waters of Eastern New South Wales”. Australian Journal of Zoology 31 (6): 881–889.
38. ^ Anna Bess Sorin and Phil Myers (2001). Family Ornithorhynchidae (platypus). University of Michigan Museum of Zoology. Retrieved on 2006-10-24.
39. ^ R. L. Hughes and L. S. Hall (1998-07-29). “Early development and embryology of the platypus”. Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences 353 (1372): 1101–1114.
40. ^ Paul R. Manger, Leslie S. Hall, John D. Pettigrew (1998-07-29). “The Development of the External Features of the Platypus (Ornithorhynchus Anatinus)”. Philosophical Transactions: Biological Sciences 353 (1372): 1115–1125.
41. ^ a b Egg-laying mammals. Queensland Museum (2000-11). Retrieved on 24 October 2006.
42. ^ a b c John A. W. Kirsch and Gregory C. Mayer (1998-07-29). “The Platypus is not a Rodent: DNA Hybridization, Amniote Phylogeny and the Palimpsest Theory”. Philosophical Transactions: Biological Sciences 353 (1372): 1221–1237.
43. ^ M. Messer, A.S. Weiss, D.C. Shaw and M. Westerman (1998-03). “Evolution of the Monotremes: Phylogenetic Relationship to Marsupials and Eutherians, and Estimation of Divergence Dates Based on α-Lactalbumin Amino Acid Sequences”. Journal of Mammalian Evolution 5 (1): 95–105.
44. ^ a b O. W. M. Rauhut, T. Martin, E. Ortiz-Jaureguizar and P. Puerta (2001-12-11). The first Jurassic mammal from South America. Nature. Retrieved on 24 October 2006.
45. ^ Tim Folger (1993-01). A platypus in Patagonia — Ancient life. Discover. Retrieved on 17 October 2006.
46. ^ Jocelyn Selim (2005-04-25). Sex, Ys, and Platypuses. Discover. Retrieved on 13 September 2006.
47. ^ Explore the Platypus genome. Ensembl (2006-11). Retrieved on 19 January 2007.
48. ^ Platypus Disease Threat. Department of Primary Industries and Water, Tasmania (2006-09-05). Retrieved on 12 October 2006.
49. ^ David Fleay’s achievements. Queensland Government (2003-11-23). Retrieved on 13 September 2006.
50. ^ Platypus. Catalyst (2003-11-13). Retrieved on 13 September 2006.
51. ^ A Brief History of the Olympic and Paralympic Mascots. Bejing2008 (2004-08-05). Retrieved on 25 October 2006.
52. ^ “The Home of Hexley the Platypus”. Retrieved on 25 October.
[edit] References
Books
* Augee, Michael L. Platypus. World Book Encyclopedia. 2001 ed.
* Burrell, H. The Platypus. Adelaide: Rigby, 1974.
* Grant, Tom. The platypus: a unique mammal. Sydney: University of New South Wales Press, 1995. ISBN 0-86840-143-9.
* Griffiths, Mervyn. The Biology of the Monotremes. Academic Press, 1978.
* Michael Hutch, Melissa C. McDade, eds. Grzimek’s Animal Life Encyclopedia; Volume 12. Detroit: Gale, 2004.
* Moyal, Ann. Platypus: The Extraordinary Story of How a Curious Creature Baffled the World. Smithsonian Books, 2001. ISBN 1-56098-977-7.
* Strahan, R. The Mammals of Australia. New South Wales: Reed Books, 1995.
Documentary
* Eye of the Storm. Documentary by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.
[edit] External links
Wikimedia Commons has media related to:
Ornithorhynchidae
Wikispecies has information related to:
Ornithorhynchus anatinus
* PBS.org
* Platypus at WikiFauna
* Platypus-Evolution and Conservation
Retrieved from “http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platypus”
Categories: Least Concern species | Mammals of Australia | Monotremes | Venomous animals
Comment by Claude Barker — September 8, 2007 @ 4:57 am |
Excellently spoken Doctor Barker !
Comment by Moxom — September 8, 2007 @ 5:59 am |
Comment by Guilio Lollorosso — September 8, 2007 @ 6:09 am |
This site is an outlandish attempt at a joke, right? Because I’m certain no-one who really believed the stuff in the original post would know how to use a computer. Or have time to tear themselves away from their sister and/or right wing propaganda studies to post it…
Comment by inca_roads — September 8, 2007 @ 2:31 pm |
What a kind caring person to say ‘Burn in Hell Frank Zappa’ – I hope you arent a religious man.
First of all your ‘interpretation’ of this video shows a complete lack of critical thinking or reasoning ability – Do you know anything about the censorship cases that Zappa was involved in that are referred to here? Go do some research on them. Frank’s stance was simply that the government should not have the right to censor music – He wasnt supporting incest in this video, in his music, or in his case at all. As he said, the lyrics in question were from a Prince album, and the whole thing began when Tipper Gore bought the album for her young daughter. Now im sorry but just because someobody has such a lack of judgement that they buy their child a prince cd doesnt meant that all of the sudden the rest of us have to be protected from their stupidity by censorship. Franks opinion is pretty logical and really the way the world works – If you find something offensive, nobody is going to make you buy/listen to/watch it.
As far as his music, im sorry but anyone who says that frank zappa was not one of the most gifted musical minds of the last 100 years has no idea what they are talking about. The music he wrote pushed the boundaries of composition and instrumentation in so many ways and continued to be musical and entertaining. He is now starting to be regarded among twentieth century academic composers as a peer who truly accomplished something profound with his music. And theres a reason why lists of his previous band members reads like a who’s who of contemporary virtuoso instrumentalists. Just check out all of the people who worked with him throughout the years.
Of course I dont expect someone as biased and prejudiced as the guy who wrote this blog to even read this whole post, but its worth at least stating in the off chance that you arent just a total asshole.
Comment by guitarmonkey55 — September 8, 2007 @ 8:48 pm |
The so called Christians who bash a man they know nothing about, ought to be ashamed of themselves.
Comment by zombie1210 — September 9, 2007 @ 5:01 pm |
“This site is an outlandish attempt at a joke, right?”
No.
“As far as his music, im sorry but anyone who says that frank zappa was not one of the most gifted musical minds of the last 100 years has no idea what they are talking about. The music he wrote pushed the boundaries of composition and instrumentation in so many ways and continued to be musical and entertaining. He is now starting to be regarded among twentieth century academic composers as a peer who truly accomplished something profound with his music. And theres a reason why lists of his previous band members reads like a who’s who of contemporary virtuoso instrumentalists. Just check out all of the people who worked with him throughout the years.”
Sinful music encouraging lewdness and inappropriate gyrations is nothing to boast of, particularly when the lyrics consist of rank perversion.
“The so called Christians who bash a man they know nothing about, ought to be ashamed of themselves.”
We are the only true Americans and Christians. Those other people are not.
Comment by Sisyphus — September 10, 2007 @ 1:18 pm |
I’m not here to defend Zappa; a man needs no defending after he’s dead. If there is a god, he’s either in heaven or hell, if there is no god, he’s turning into dirt. Either way, there’s nothing we here can do about it. I’m here to defend myself from gross attacks on me personally.
“Zappa even attempts to co-opt the position of his opponents. “I’m a conservative.”” As it turns out, Zappa follows the principles of Libertarianism to a T. I think what gets confused in the jumble of modern politics is the hypocracy of the Republican Party… the idea that they don’t want a strong, centralized government, but wish the government to control the way our society thinks and acts. This isn’t conservatism, a rather brilliant ideal, but it is republicanism. At least, republicanism as it was displayed after the Democrats decided they couldn’t support segregation in the south.
Also, someone up there (who I REALLY didn’t want to waste my time learning his name) basically told me that I’m a conformist because I flock to everything that FZ does, and that FZ would disown me or hate me or something because I… and I’m really confused on the further points.
Why would FZ hate or disown me for believing in what he believed in? I don’t think he’d care, unless it was to praise my judgment for being so similar to his own. Is everyone who follows YOUR crusade a mindless conformist? Or are they individuals with common beliefs? I’m an individual, who has no musical talent and has only a passing interest in some of FZ’s work, which I find to occasionally be tasteless and unnecessarily crude, but in the end I find it hard to vilify a man because he had an opinion contrary to my own.
Besides, as the Christ once said,
1″Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3″Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” Matthew 7:1-3
And as James once wrote:
9My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, 20for man’s anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires. James 1:19-20
and
26If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless. James 1:26
and
1Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. James 3:1
and
13Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. 14But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. 15Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. 16For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice.
17But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. 18Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness. James 3:13-17
It’s funny how you ‘modern’ ‘Christians’ have never read the bible, or if you have, you haven’t taken to heart what it really says and means. You stand here on your post, and preach to us about how rotten a man you did not understand was. You are full of an anger that is neither holy nor is it just, and by all means I do not understand why you spend so much time here, generating a perfect case against a brilliant and beautiful religion.
As another aside to Sisyphus, the definition of American is “a native or inhabitant of the United States.” So what you’re basically saying is that you and people who think like you are the only people who truly inhabit or are a native of the United States? How do you explain my address then? is California not a part of the United States? Pray tell, what nationality AM I? I’m really curious, because I think there might have been a mix-up at the passport office… they claimed I WAS an american…
Finally, Christian refers to people who believe that Jesus Christ died for their sins, nothing more, nothing less. You do not have to follow the teachings of Jesus or anyone else to be a ‘christian,’ as evidenced by you and yours ignoring all of the book of James and most of the sermon on the mount.
And lastly, to everyone here claiming to be christian but continues to attack a dead man, and claims ME as pathetic…
Get out of my religion please.
Comment by James — September 10, 2007 @ 2:42 pm |
Hey,Mr. Muffinman you´re an idiot! Music is the Best !!
Comment by Jorg — September 10, 2007 @ 3:34 pm |
We are the only true Americans and Christians. Those other people are not.
Comment by Sisyphus — September 10, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
SISYPHUS…I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DUEL!!!
Comment by Kipling — September 11, 2007 @ 9:11 am |
We are the only true Americans and Christians. Those other people are not.
Comment by Sisyphus — September 10, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
You and Psychout are poseurs. Neither of you two are remotely as American as Frank Zappa. You guys are America haters. Zappa stood up against censors, revisionists and charlatans, the kind of people who are trying to turn America into Afganistan. If you guys get your way, we’ll be changing the name of our country to AfganAmerica in a few years.
Comment by Spacebrother — September 11, 2007 @ 11:38 am |
FRANK ZAPPA
Great guitarist
Great composer
Human being (just like you)
Good man (Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God)Matt.19:17
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Luke 6:37
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Romans 3:23
Wake up before Jesus Thinks You’re A Jerk
Comment by ed hart — September 11, 2007 @ 1:00 pm |
“We are the only true Americans”,
as far as I know the only true Americans are the native Americans, or “Indians” as some may call them.
Which tribe are you from, Sisyphus?
Comment by K.J. Dobson — September 11, 2007 @ 5:52 pm |
“SISYPHUS…I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DUEL!!!”
Sure thing, Brit.
“Which tribe are you from, Sisyphus?”
I’m an American, and a Christian. I’ve never left America since birth, and I’ve never left Jesus since finding Him. Is that tribe enough for you?
Comment by Sisyphus — September 12, 2007 @ 1:13 pm |
I’m an American, and a Christian. I’ve never left America since birth, and I’ve never left Jesus since finding Him. Is that tribe enough for you?
Comment by Sisyphus — September 12, 2007 @ 1:13 pm
You’re no Christian. I laughed when I read that.
Comment by Spacebrother — September 12, 2007 @ 2:13 pm |
This blog sucks ass.
Comment by zombie1210 — September 12, 2007 @ 5:31 pm |
Is this ridiculous Frank Zappa post still going?
Comment by Adam Nelson — September 12, 2007 @ 7:17 pm |
Lame bastards, Frank Zappa and music are the best!!
Comment by Ismael — September 12, 2007 @ 9:40 pm |
didn’t look at this thread until today
looks like I missed the fun,
Brownback’s a Senator from Kansas, where I live, and I haven’t seen a single bill he voted on that I agreed with or could get behind. So you can say, politically, he doesn’t represent me or my ilk. He says he wants to bring back decency and Christian virtue back to America. But that’s a slogan aimed at the heartstrings that he knows are connected to the pursestrings. Not saying he doesn’t BELIEVE in the flag and the pie and gideon’s bibles and abortion protesters and the visiting-inmate-program and saturday night revivals. Of course he does, that’s the slice of America he’s most fond of. Fair enough.
But what he sees as the right road is based on the ‘Should-Be’ of how he and his church think we all (that is, the rest of us, too) should act, according to their belief of their God. That’s where they start, ‘the ‘should-be’ of ‘thou shalt’; the should-be of new wine; the should-be of John Calvin, John Milton, Thomas a’ Kempis, Martin Luther, Georg Hegel, Max Weber, Karl Barth and Billy Graham; the should-be implied in Matthew 7:15-27; or M’t 5:22-26 or the should-be stated in 1 Corinthians 1:18-25;
. . . Here Jesus and Paul use the same word ‘moron’ (in the greek texts available . . .) to describe two kinds of fools and foolishness.
which one are you, gracious bloggerhost? someone who calls his brother a fool or someone who calls himself a fool for Christ? what does it mean to be a fool for Christ? “Whooooo could imagine?”
On the other hand, there is a growing pedigree of peoples who prefer to start out looking at things from a What-Is perspective, rather than always comparing to some ‘should-be’ that might not be so readily agreed upon, by everybody. The people who open their eyes and their ears and try to apprehend What-Is from What-Is-Not. It’s been empirically documented somewhere that things can be built and accomplished with what-is and that knowledge of the what-is is more useful in the long-term than striving after a should-be that might not (re)materialise.
An interesting thought is that the Apollo missions to the moon, i.e. the moon landing, was accomplished thru a combination of both. Using science (a product of the What-Is standpoint) with a sense that we should-be able to put men on the moon.
The ancients had their go at this duality of ideas too. Plato was into apprehending the light itself, outside of the cave, not just the shadows on the wall : read: should-be enthusiast. Aristotle wasn’t sure if anybody’d discovered that there WAS light outside of the cave, . . . the sources seemed to be suspect.
and so it goes.
some notable adherents to the What-Is:
Lenny Bruce, Frank Zappa, Albert Einstein, Teddy Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson
another notable should-be adherent: L Ron Hubbard and Pope John Paul II
the thing is, is to see that both the what-is and the should-be adherents NEED each other to survive, in order to get heard at all . . . while they kill each other off in the process
and THEN put a motor in Yourself
Comment by punkin'ed — September 13, 2007 @ 2:33 pm |
“Brownback’s a Senator from Kansas, where I live, and I haven’t seen a single bill he voted on that I agreed with or could get behind.”
That’s because you hate America. Why do you hate us?
“and so it goes.
some notable adherents to the What-Is:
Lenny Bruce, Frank Zappa, Albert Einstein, Teddy Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson
another notable should-be adherent: L Ron Hubbard and Pope John Paul II”
Is this English?
Comment by Sisyphus — September 13, 2007 @ 6:53 pm |
Is this ridiculous Frank Zappa post still going?
Comment by Adam Nelson — September 12, 2007 @ 7:17 pm
Frank Zappa’s legacy will live on for perhaps hundreds of years. Brownback will be forgotten after the primaries in a few months.
Comment by Spacebrother — September 14, 2007 @ 2:13 pm |
peole are leaving the church in droves and returning to the creator
Comment by michael — September 15, 2007 @ 1:13 am |
what the creator was and is.. the lord of hosts . some people with self sanctifing minds believe their spirit is separate from the host ,the body being .zappa worked tirelessly to educate on the whole spectrum of modern anthropology.pointing that contrary to doctrine that purports sex to be bad,sex is a healthy activity.so in essence,the mind,body and spirit are but one and without host the spirit is rendered null. zappa was closer to the way of jesus than many of these nice neo fascist types who masquerade as messianic syndrome, jesus will save us nitwits(what happen to god?).jesus might judge you, but you want to help yourselves.besides im sure that if jesus come a second time ,you ,like you did 2000 years ago ,would denounce him cause he would be saying things you dont like ,just like mister zappa.you’d probably give him a lethal injection cause you’se are nice guys,and walk around for the next 2000 years with syringes around your necks. idol worshipers! end of blog.
Comment by michael — September 15, 2007 @ 1:34 am |
I’m an American, and a Christian. I’ve never left America since birth, and I’ve never left Jesus since finding Him. Is that tribe enough for you?
Comment by Sisyphus — September 12, 2007 @ 1:13 pm
No actually it sounds like you’re a little sheltered to me, wait, I mean a lot sheltered. Now I understand the blog. I feel for you.
Comment by Kipling — September 19, 2007 @ 10:02 am |
“No actually it sounds like you’re a little sheltered to me, wait, I mean a lot sheltered. Now I understand the blog. I feel for you.”
Please don’t touch me, moonbat.
Comment by Sisyphus — September 19, 2007 @ 10:06 am |
“I’ve never left America since birth”
This sentence just makes it clear that your vision of the world is very one sided. You should travel and see that this planet is bigger than America only.
Comment by K.J. Dobson — September 20, 2007 @ 9:21 am |
p.s. American nor Christian are tribes,
look up the meaning of the word tribe in a dictionary please !!
Comment by K.J. Dobson — September 20, 2007 @ 9:23 am |
You are a loonie, Sissy-Puss
Comment by M.F.Klagenfurter — September 20, 2007 @ 9:34 am |
That’s the problem with neocons. They have this grave conceit about them where they think they’re the only people that matter. Sorta similar to a retarded 6-year-old who doesn’t want to go outside and play.
Comment by Adam Nelson — September 20, 2007 @ 9:48 am |
FZ was great. He just reported on some of the sick things found in human societies; he wasn’t supporting criminal things, just the right to speak about it. He was a mirror of our society, so if you hated FZ, you probably hate yourself!
As for comparing him to Hitler…let’s just say there’s more stupidity in the universe than there is hydrogen!
By the way, it’s very cowardly to pick on a dead man who can’t come forward anymore to defend himself! Grow up already.
Comment by Mudshark — September 24, 2007 @ 12:08 pm |
I see no one has been able to rebut me. Yall are terrific representations of Christians, and I love you all very much, but please, PLEASE go hide in a hole while me and mine fix this PR mess you’ve given us.
Comment by James — September 24, 2007 @ 11:56 pm |
“FZ was great. He just reported on some of the sick things found in human societies; he wasn’t supporting criminal things, just the right to speak about it. He was a mirror of our society, so if you hated FZ, you probably hate yourself!”
Easily the stupidest thing ever said.
“I see no one has been able to rebut me.”
Sorry, I wasn’t listening.
Comment by Sisyphus — September 25, 2007 @ 6:34 pm |
“The first toasters were guesswork, divinely inspired guesswork.”
Easily the stupidest thing ever said.
Comment by Adam Nelson — September 26, 2007 @ 10:26 am |
Fuck You,you ingnorant idiot.You have absolutely NO idea as to what you are saying.Get it right!
Comment by Lee Cornell — September 26, 2007 @ 3:01 pm |
“Sorry, I wasn’t listening.”
Comment by Sisyphus — September 25, 2007
Well finally some truth from Sissy-Puss…..he admits that he does not listen to other people
Comment by Ozymandias — September 27, 2007 @ 5:09 pm |
This blog kind of inspired me,
hereby a song dedicated to Sisiphus
which will be soon availeable in a record store near you
enjoy!!!
(and smile a lot)
Little Hitler has a blog
He talks rubbish and lacks a cock
Little Hitler thinks a lot
about having us all shot
He got castrated by religion at the age of five
He is so paranoid that he has no real life
He hides behind a nickname…..oh well
he says we are gonna burn in hell
Little Hitler get a life
Your ideals got burned in nineteen forty five
Little Hitler you are pityful
blame yourself, and not us all
Comment by James Glass — September 27, 2007 @ 5:26 pm |
Hello dear Sisyphus,
I just subscribed you to a few hundreds of mailing groups, for you were intelligent enough to put your e-mail on this site…..
Have fun with it….lol
Comment by Punisher — September 27, 2007 @ 6:28 pm |
For you shall harvest the bitter fruits of the seeds of hatred that you have planted. Purify your soul while reading reading and reading ……hahaha…..ignorant redneck nazi pigloving hypergeek, übernerd…..burn haha…..suffer, homophobic amoeba.
Comment by Punisher — September 28, 2007 @ 3:56 pm |
F— all of you. Frank Zappa was one of the greatest geniuses of 20th century rock music. Did you know that he was actually one of the smartest (probably the smartest kid) in his school. And where the fuck do you c–ksuckers get the idea that he supported incest. Maybe you’re just upset that you weren’t creative enough to name your kids Dweezil and Ahmet and Moon Unit. Frank Zappa is the reincarnation of Jesus Christ. So if anybody asks you, now you know.
[Ed Note: Swearing makes baby Jesus cry.]
Comment by willruddock — September 30, 2007 @ 12:20 pm |
FRANK ZAPPA NEVER ENDORSED INCEST! YOU ARE AN IDIOT.
Comment by chilly — September 30, 2007 @ 5:35 pm |
Hey EDNOTE guy…….Jesus is no baby anymore, uhhh….he grew up.
Comment by Moxom — October 1, 2007 @ 1:37 pm |
This blog kind of inspired me,
hereby a song dedicated to Sisiphus
which will be soon availeable in a record store near you
enjoy!!!
(and smile a lot)
Little Hitler has a blog
He talks rubbish and lacks a cock
Little Hitler thinks a lot
about having us all shot
He got castrated by religion at the age of five
He is so paranoid that he has no real life
He hides behind a nickname…..oh well
he says we are gonna burn in hell
Little Hitler get a life
Your ideals got burned in nineteen forty five
Little Hitler you are pityful
blame yourself, and not us all
Comment by James Glass — September 27, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
This song definitely fits not only Sisyphus but also Psychout and that BJ guy as well (and probably several other of these nutjob Brownback supporters).
Frank Zappa was ahead of his time not only musically but on social issues as well. He warned us about these fascist theocrats.
Comment by Spacebrother — October 2, 2007 @ 8:53 am |
Anyone making a comment that Frank Zappa supported incest in itself is blapsphemous more than any so called words that could ever been put together.
Frank Zappa was an American Pioneer of thought. He spent hundreds of thousands of hours of his life closely analyzing and artistically and or politically commenting on all the social elements presented itself through mass quantities of mediums. Never one to be pigeon holed by Mass Commercial Media or Religious beliefs wher if one only follows these narrow minded guidelines the ability to rationally reason on issues would become Orwelian in nature.
Frank supported the idea that individuals should actually think by using their an eyes and ears not trusting the One False Political Or Religious Flag. He looked at as many views of any given item as possible processign it all by carefully analyzing not only every scientific possibility but pushign the envelope of human thought beyond even the proven realms of science.
In the context here we are talking about of lyrics. Words.
I think the actions of War are far more damaging to humanity that seems on the brink of extinction. If it is GOD that you believe you better start praying. If you believe maybe that is what it will take to stop the egos of War crushing humanity.
Joni Mitchell: A Resurgence of Music and Art
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14766057
Green Flag Song
http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/features/2007/sep/mitchell_slideshow/index.html
Strong and Wrong
by Joni Mitchell
Strong and wrong you win–
Only because
That’s the way its always been.
Men love war!
That’s what history’ s for.
History…
A mass–murder mystery…
His story
Strong and wrong
You lose everything
Without the heart
You need
To hear a robin sing
Where have all the songbirds gone?
Gone!
All I hear are crows in flight
Singing might is right
Might is right!
Oh the dawn of man comes slow
Thousands of years
And here we are…
Still worshiping
Our own ego
Strong and wrong
What is God’s will?
Onward Christian soldiers…
Or thou shall not kill…
Men love war!
Is that what God is for?
Just a Rabbit’s foot?
Just a lucky paw
For shock and awe?
Shock and awe!
The dawn of man comes slow
Thousands of years
Here we are
Still worshiping
Our own ego
Strong and Wrong!
Strong and Wrong!
Copyright © 2007; Crazy Crow Music
Comment by Strong and Wrong — October 5, 2007 @ 10:39 am |
What a stupid fucked up moron you are. Vote for you? You must be kidding.
Frank got people voting at his US concerts. He was not some evil person as you seem to think, he was into freedom and democracy.
You just seem to be some twerp who more than likely gets off with Larry Craig in the bog.
So go fuck yourself.
Comment by Dave McMann — October 5, 2007 @ 11:31 am |
i cant believe this blog is real seems to me like some adolescents pulling a scam.maybe syphillus is a 14 year old wanker who post this s**t just to annoy people cause this baby jesus will cry garbage just dont hold water do your selves a favour and end this here
Comment by michael — October 5, 2007 @ 6:31 pm |
Sisiphus is a Cylon!!!
Comment by Gaius Baltar — October 6, 2007 @ 4:26 am |
HAHA that is the most funniest/stupidest thing Iv ever read. You probably think he ate spit on stage to, huh? You obviously have ZERO clue what you are talking about. HAHAHA Uhhh its simple here folks: Zappa=SMART, musical genious, man with charisma. Psycheout= poor missinformed fool. Sorry to break it to you man. pffffmuhahahaha.
[Ed Note: Do you have any idea who actually authored this post? If not, wheatgurm=fool.]
Comment by wheatgurm — October 9, 2007 @ 10:19 pm |
Oh yea, did I tell you I worship Satan?
Comment by wheatgurm — October 9, 2007 @ 10:38 pm |
omg
think im the only person here who sees that the original post was a joke
and im not a zappa fan being sarcastic, i got here via a google image search for ‘mold’
(H)
Comment by laimute — October 15, 2007 @ 6:27 pm |
truth is….brownback is irrelevant.
zappa walked the walk.
christian fundamentalists are pathetic.
Comment by david bara — November 7, 2007 @ 7:25 pm |
Man, this is stupid. Zappa couldn’t care about these remarks if he was still alive. so shouldn’t the Zappa-fans. The only thing I have to say in return, is if you back-up this Brownback (if you’re a Zappa fan, you’d find this a funny word Zappa could use ti indicate something else…) guy, you must be blind for all the plastic fantastic smileshe’s giving and his campaign is ownly suitable for people with a very high income, really, and everyone knows that the most of Americans aren’t there. Brownback I wish he was called Bobby, you’d get Bobby Brownback goes down for a Zappa-song. There is one extra point I would like to make, and that is that Zappa wanted to confront every social, religious, ethnic or whatever group to show the world that every person is an subject for cabaret, jokes, prejudice and insults. Zappa was ahead of his time in terms of showing people what is being ignored by the christians here. Zappa wasn’t a republican (thank God) but Zappa was a human being who wanted to teach us a thing or two about his free spirit. Christian call that Satan, because there scared of it and atheists like the idea and Europeans live it.
But anyway, this is useless. Talk about you Brownback fellow. (He must be a Robot manufactured by Bush…)
Comment by Donan — November 8, 2007 @ 9:36 am |
so you’re slandering a dead man? what is the purpose of this, exactly? talking ill of a deceased person? a guy that can’t stand up for himself? what a bunch of cowards you are. you sure can lash out when you know the object of your derision can’t hit back. typical.
Comment by mickers — November 8, 2007 @ 12:04 pm |
Let them bad mouth Frank all they want; Brownback is a loser and anyone who supports a Bush-clone like that is probably one too.
Comment by Derk — November 8, 2007 @ 1:41 pm |
The genius of Frank Zappa is not his music – it’s his irony.
“Sometimes the dumbest thing that gets said makes the point for you.”
Comment by Krystin — November 8, 2007 @ 9:58 pm |
Yawn.
Comment by Elio Emliano Ligi — November 8, 2007 @ 10:40 pm |
Brownback is missing out on some wonderful music.
Brownback services mythology.
Comment by Kevin Hoover — November 8, 2007 @ 11:24 pm |
“truth is….brownback is irrelevant.
zappa walked the walk.
christian fundamentalists are pathetic.”
Comment by david bara — November 7, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
I agree with this statement 100%.
Comment by Spacebrother — November 9, 2007 @ 10:08 am |
no comment.
Comment by mr pants — November 9, 2007 @ 12:39 pm |
You’re an idiot, Spacebrother. So is your friend, David bra.
Comment by Sisyphus — November 9, 2007 @ 1:05 pm |
Heck!! I thought this site was serious!
Boy, am I an poopchute.
Dur-Hey!
Comment by scott — November 9, 2007 @ 1:57 pm |
“Politics is the Entertainment branch of Industry.”
– FZ
HALLELUJA!
Thank Jeebus – Brownback chickened out.
If you typify his supporters, that may have been one of the very rare acts of true human decency he ever committed.
Am I mistaken or did he REALLY advocate nuking Iran?
Mark of a true sociopath, in case anyone’s keeping score.
Also a funny little thing they call mass murder … but hey, come to think of it, that’s REAL traditional Christianity, right out of the OT, isn’t it? Or are you another of these cherry-pickers that ignores the OT? Kill anybody for eating shellfish lately? LOOK IT UP – IT’S GOD’S LAW – IN BLACK & WHITE. Disobey & you are damned, period. Don’t argue with ME, argue with King James, bubba. Or maybe take it up with Yahweh himself?
What book of the Bible advocates desecrating corpses again?
I must have missed it … or maybe I just didn’t get the human-skin-bound “Horst Wessel” edition, like some VERY INTELLIGENT folks.
No Zappa worshipper, & that’s one heck of a concept in its own right, but “dOOd” – it’s pretty obvious he’d’ve had you for lunch if you’d spewed this retarded drivel about the man while he was alive. Smart enough to mentally curb-stomp both of us (& two or three Much Brighter Individuals) before he had his morning coffee, & yet someone’s still enough of a chowder-head to call him STUPID?! He wanted to launch the Napster concept in the SEVENTIES via phone-lines, does that even give you a clue?
What a bloody hero, totally trashing & misrepresenting someone that isn’t around to defend himself – but then, that’s SOP for the GOP. SwiftBoating is now a verb, thanks to your Great American Heroes, Bush & Rove.
You sad sacks of decaying human pus … thank your Imaginary Cop for the ignorance that keeps the shredded integuments of your twisted little faux-reality intact. You plainly lack the morals, the intellect or the maturity to stomach the alternative.
Guy’s been stone dead for almost 15 years – hey, wow, so has the conscience of the USA!
Coincidence?
Comment by jim — November 9, 2007 @ 2:04 pm |
The stupidity of people posting a blog to put down someone who has passed away goes beyond the usual bull of this site, Sisy has stooped to a whole new low here, congratulations on making yourself the winner of the lowest life form on Earth award.
Show me a REAL christian that would insult the dead in this way. What you are is the spawn of evil.
Comment by Arn Lewis — November 9, 2007 @ 2:26 pm |
“You’re an idiot, Spacebrother. So is your friend, David bra.”
Comment by Sisyphus — November 9, 2007 @ 1:05 pm
I never met him in my life but he’s right on all points.
Brownbacks toast and Zappa’s legacy will outlast our lifetime.
“Sisy has stooped to a whole new low here, congratulations on making yourself the winner of the lowest life form on Earth award.
Show me a REAL christian that would insult the dead in this way. What you are is the spawn of evil.”
Comment by Arn Lewis — November 9, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
Sisyphus better get used to stooping where he’s headed. Plooked by Satan.
Comment by Spacebrother — November 9, 2007 @ 3:50 pm |
This is the Best. Parody. Site. Ever.
These guys have to be huge Frank fans.
Burned in a dumpster. You guys crack me up.
http://crushallboxes.blogspot.com/
Comment by Kevpod — November 10, 2007 @ 12:39 am |
All of you people are going to Hell. Frank Zappa will be signing autographs there, so you probably think it’s a GOOD thing.
Comment by Sisyphus — November 10, 2007 @ 7:00 am |
Sisy, you sound like that sound sample Frank used in the ’88 tour – “Yer goin’ t’hell.”
Comment by Kevin Hoover — November 10, 2007 @ 11:38 am |
Didn’t Zappa write lyrics that were meant to get up the noses of narrow minded bigoted christians like this? Job done.
Comment by gerard — November 10, 2007 @ 3:29 pm |
Can someone please tell me where “vegetable lust” is forbidden in the Bible? I can find proscriptions against animal lust, and man-on-man lust, but I need to know as I once had sex with the core of an applewhich I had heated in a microwave )I was young and foolish and did it after hearing about a book that some guy wrote on the Johnny Carson show). Will I go to hell?
Comment by Lamarr Bruister — November 11, 2007 @ 4:02 am |
I need to clarify: an apple which I had cored and put it in a microwave with whipped cream- just for the sake of clarity.
Comment by Lamarr Bruister — November 11, 2007 @ 4:11 am |
Zappa was a great man but gene vincent had bad breath.Fruity ,
Comment by burn de faggots — November 11, 2007 @ 12:26 pm |
Lamarr Bruister:: I’m confused, did you have sex with the core or the apple, and did you eat the apple when you were finished having sex with it?
Comment by Arn Lewis — November 11, 2007 @ 2:50 pm |
Blogs 4 Brownback need to stop sucking the pud of the dude they’re supporting. And do research on FZ before bashing him and advising desecration of a corpse–you sick motherlovers need to look at yourselves and see how ignorant you are. Look, go masturbate over your Bibles and shove your rosary beads up your bunghole, then talk about how Jesus saved your life before attacking a perfectly sane, politically aware, musically ingenious man who should rest in peace and be admired for his thoughts and gifts to entertainment (films, records, even a few paintings).
Comment by CUFK — November 12, 2007 @ 2:38 am |
“Will I go to hell?”
Yes.
“Blogs 4 Brownback need to stop sucking the pud of the dude they’re supporting.”
Brownback is America’s last hope. He’s the only man who can save this country from the mess men like Zappa have made of it.
“And do research on FZ before bashing him and advising desecration of a corpse–you sick motherlovers need to look at yourselves and see how ignorant you are.”
Did he, or did he not, write a song called “Brown Shoes Don’t Make It” on the album aptly titled “Absolutely Free”?
“Look, go masturbate over your Bibles and shove your rosary beads up your bunghole, then talk about how Jesus saved your life before attacking a perfectly sane, politically aware, musically ingenious man who should rest in peace and be admired for his thoughts and gifts to entertainment (films, records, even a few paintings).”
There is still time for you to repent.
Comment by Sisyphus — November 12, 2007 @ 8:42 am |
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Comment by disciple4jeebus — November 12, 2007 @ 10:34 am |
I am a hardcore Zappa fan, a Deist and Libertarian and still have more morals than any Christian I know. Politics in general is the true evil.
Comment by Brandon — November 13, 2007 @ 12:37 am |
I got two things to say here.
1) The editor of this blog missed some profanity posts. Oops?
2) This whole discussion is ridiculous. There’s enough stupidity in the universe to choke a whole race of people on it. I got disinterested about the rest of the blog replies somewhere around the 60th post, so I’ll just presume that the axe hasn’t been buried yet. I’m a man of faith, raised in a somewhat Christian way, but my parents were wise enough to let me choose my own way of life. So I grew out from the ways of church, because they couldn’t offer me what my soul wanted. And that was music. Years went by, until I finally found the music and the genius of Frank Zappa. The thing is, extremist groups can never find peace together, be it with religious activists, politicians, the Official members of the True Americans group, or Zappa-fanatics. I thank my lucky stars that I was not born as an American, nor shall I ever be one. I hate politics in general and extreme religious groups. I even hate some Zappa-fans, because some of them can be idiots. But as far as I’m concerned, if the history according to the Bible is true, Jesus was a cool guy with some nice ideas, who died because people didn’t like him. Think of Saddam Hussein here, only with magical powers. But Frank Zappa was a genius, a family man and a great thinker, who died of a horrible disease, but worked on his music until he could work no more. And we do know more about Frank Zappa than we do of Jesus the assumed Christ. Oh well. As far as I’m concerned, FZ was more the Real True American than, say, GWB. Rant over.
Comment by Jacques — November 13, 2007 @ 5:05 am |
ah ah ah
this discussion has gone way too far… and i love it ! As a french, i love american points of view ( terrorists, god and everything ), it just cracks me up. As far as i’m concerned, i’m a hardcore zappa lover, i love the man, the music, and ( most of all ) the HUMOR. All i have to say is : if some guy want to dig up Frank Zappa and burn his body, it means to me that Zappa achieved something great : make christians crazy and violent just with some songs and jokes ( however, i realize american christians seem quite violent already… our christians in france try to spread a message of love and tolerance, it’s a good thing to do, but a total loss of time, lol ). Anyway, the guy who started this discussion should have anticipated the zappa fans’ response ( and, of course, we should reply HERE ON THIS PAGE ). The ghost of Frank Zappa is laughing so loud I hear him from where i am. Peace to all TRUE christians, and Zappa lovers
Comment by john smith — November 13, 2007 @ 11:46 am |
“Zappa supported incest.”
Are you a moron? There’s a big difference between supporting incest, and supporting the right to speak ABOUT incest. Your argument is based on well-worn Republican tricks, the very same as labelling as “traitors” those who question the Iraq war.
Zappa once said, “Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.” This entirely sums up the core principles of our constitution – dissent should be welcome and embraced! disagreement and debate over the ideas contained in such dissent is an inherent part of progress, and also must be embraced.
Your opinion that the best thing we can do today is to burn Zappa’s body in a dumpster is truly ridiculous and exposes you as a coward who cannot refute arguments based on merit, as you simply resort to the old republican mantra of “They’re wrong, so let’s kill them.”
I propose a new title for this posting: “We shall re-kill-ify those who oppose our way.”
People like you make me so sad, as it’s ridiculous that my taxes indirectly support you and everything that you have, but you have so little respect for the constitutional foundation of this country that provides for you. All I can wish upon you is tolerance and understanding. Additionally, a point I neglected earlier is that there is, and has been for some time, a growing difference between “Conservative” and “Republican”. It is certainly possible to be one, and not the other. Selah…
Comment by LRonHoover — November 13, 2007 @ 3:18 pm |
“I am a hardcore Zappa fan, a Deist and Libertarian and still have more morals than any Christian I know. Politics in general is the true evil.”
“Your arrogance and folly will be your downfall.
People like you make me so sad, as it’s ridiculous that my taxes indirectly support you and everything that you have, but you have so little respect for the constitutional foundation of this country that provides for you.”
I support myself, moonbat. Your tax dollars go to funding artists who dip crucifixes in urine, and to teaching lies like Darwinism and Copernicanism in our schools.
“All I can wish upon you is tolerance and understanding.”
In other words, you want to fornicate with me. That’s not going to happen, sinner.
“Additionally, a point I neglected earlier is that there is, and has been for some time, a growing difference between “Conservative” and “Republican”. It is certainly possible to be one, and not the other. Selah…”
True. The party is rife with RINOs. When Brownback wins his write-in candidacy, we’re going to clean house.
Comment by Sisyphus — November 13, 2007 @ 4:09 pm |
And when brownback pulls less than 0.5%?
>“All I can wish upon you is tolerance and understanding.”
>
>In other words, you want to fornicate with me. That’s not going to happen, sinner.
thank you again for proving my point that you are a coward who cannot confront an argument, nor anything else, on merit. does brownback even know that you are running this sham of a blog in his name?
Comment by LRonHoover — November 13, 2007 @ 8:54 pm |
additionally, my tax dollars go not only to ridiculous forms of “art” (unfortunately), but towards municipal infrastructure that you most likely rely on, in some way, for your income, as well as your social security (provided that Sam doesn’t scalp you and leave your burnt corpse in a dumpster, for associating his name with your absurd rhetoric in support of his campaign).
you could also be clearer in replying to various posters simultaneously. i didn’t post the quote: “I am a hardcore Zappa fan, a Deist and Libertarian… ”
final thought – Darwinism and Copernicanism are not lies, they are theories. to some they are fact, to some they are lies, but in reality they are theories and nothing more – as is creationism. although proving any of these “-isms” is impossible, that does not make them lies.
i’ll make you a real wager though – $20-US says brownback doesn’t even pull half-a-point (nationwide). email me: bowdowntozappa at yahoo. real deal, amigo – would you toss down a jackson?
Comment by LRonHoover — November 13, 2007 @ 9:53 pm |
Not arrogance nor folly, just fact. People are all equal. The aspect of a government and blind faith in a person held as an authority figure creates social imbalance. Religion’s cool, but it’s for yourself–not anyone else.
Comment by Brandon — November 13, 2007 @ 10:15 pm |
Also, Sisyphus:
“it’s ridiculous that my taxes indirectly support you and everything that you have, but you have so little respect for the constitutional foundation of this country that provides for you.”
It’s evident you love your fellow man. Also, the constitutional foundation of this country does not “provide” for me. I’m alive, and that’s a gift from “God.” Not the government.
Comment by Brandon — November 13, 2007 @ 10:21 pm |
Darwinism and Copernicanism are lies? Holleeee sheeeeiittt!! You really are a goddamn moron.
Comment by CUFK — November 21, 2007 @ 2:07 am |
Intellectual halfwits.(Pronounciation courtesy of Mark.E.Smith)
Thankyou Sisyphus for drawing attention to this example of heroism.
Never argue with an idiot, they bring you down to their level and win by experience.
‘Wherever he is now, I’m sure it’s hot and I don’t want to go there.’
I’m Hoping it’s Andalucia.
Come with me now Sisyphus.
There is a different sort of rock you need to acquaint yourself with.
Comment by Hermes Trismegistus — November 25, 2007 @ 5:37 pm |
First, I don’t think the guy who started this post thought it would extend to November.
Second, I am a Christian who likes the music of Frank Zappa. I don’t agree with the political opinions he had other than capitalism and his right to profit from his work. I don’t agree with the Rock star lifestyle that many of them ascribed to. But I believe that Frank was anti-drug . Other than that, he was a tad left of center for me. But the genius of his music!!! Frank Zappa was the most prolific musical genius of the 20th century. Frank Zappa was THE musical genius of the 20th century. Where pop music has its formulaic scientists spewing 3 minute ditty after 3 minute ditty, Zappa CREATED in every genre-rock, pop, country, rap, opera, classical, chamber, jazz, blues…etc. No other musician/composer/song writer has accomplished that! He contributed to culture. Not everyone loves the entire body of work of one’s favorite artist, but nonetheless appreciates the effort and the body of work.
So maintain the memory of the American Composer, Frank Zappa.
By the way, I didn’t Google “Brownback” before writing this. Who or what is a Brownback? Sorry, I should know better.
Comment by Zzysyphus — November 26, 2007 @ 8:46 pm |
I have to say, this is probably the funniest thing I’ve read all day.
Your political views are so wrong it’s funny.
Comment by bob — November 30, 2007 @ 10:12 pm |
here is a man supporting ones freedom, and heres you telling another person to burn in hell. if you cant understand the notion people are entitled to their own point of view in a country that is free, then you dont even deserve an opinion on a such a subject or man.
so much anger directed to a man that passively supported peoples rights, its so ironic if there was a place called hell in which the souls of people eternally ‘burn’ you’d be at the front of the line.
christianity is meant to support acceptance, if you dont support acceptance then your are a fascist, and its fascists like you that have tainted the good message christianity is meant to fundamentally stand for.
religion is meant to be a guide to helping one live a fulfilled life, but all i see here is a collection of closed minded fascists using their religion for cover to exercise hatred.
frank zappa’s music and mind is a true blessing and example of the miracle of human endeavor. whereas all you christian redneck retards expose is the failings of an out of date doctrine/brain washing corporation.
[f-word] heaven or hell the only thing i pray for is that you somehow realise how futile your self righteous beliefs really are.
Comment by das afrika — December 2, 2007 @ 8:59 pm |
How can you say this man supported incest just because it was in one of his songs? Ever listen to Pantera’s “Great Southern Trendkill?” Ever wonder what it was about? It was about killing black people, by George! And yet, there was no insanity towards them about it. No one called them racist. In fact, let’s round up ever good music artists in the world, line them up against a wall, and shoot them, because it seems that’s the only to effectively take “pornographic” music off the market.
Dumb assholes.
[Ed Note: Nobody cares about Pantera, whoever they are.]
Comment by TNC — December 7, 2007 @ 3:10 pm |
See What I dont think you people realize is how much of a smart man he really was. I go to church frequently and play piano and organ for church very very frequently. As much as I love church, Frank Zappa was correct in a lot of things he said. The man was a genious, a musical mastermind. Frank Zappa was Atheist, and good for him, not all Atheists are going to burn in hell. I have friends who are very very strong Chritians and very strong Atheists, and there is nothing wrong with them. Frank Zappa did not say he did’nt belive in god, or certain things about religion, but certain things are very obscure, and people like Jimmy Swaggart who can preach about not doing wrong and finding god then end up having sex with a prostitue are those things he wants his chilren to stay away from. And I firmly agree. He bashed women in his music just as much as he bashed men. He always said, that he doesnt care what you have down there, he judges on the way people act, not on the orientation, or physical being of someone. I think you people all need to grow up. And if you honestly belive that he belived in incest, then you my friends are idiot’s. The man merely said that it may be wrong what “PRINCE”, not HIMSELF, wrote about in his songs but that doesnt give people the right to take it away from people because they think its wrong. He belived in Freedom Of Speech, not INCEST! Come on guys, if you want to bash someone for Incest why dont you talk about “The artist formely known as Prince”. Im not a crazy fan of Zappa’s, I do truely love his music, I do listen to it all the time, from his crazy but funny lyrics, to his classical music, to just his instrumentals. But that does’nt mean Im tastless, I listen to Elton John all the time, Beethoven, Debussy, Pink Floyd, Elvis, Tom Jones. And out of all of them Zappa seemed to be the most sane. He was just a man with a million ideas. People grow up!
Comment by Tim — December 23, 2007 @ 10:39 pm |
Quotes
“do you defend incest mr zappa?” – blue suit guy
“No i have no interest in it” – frank zappa
“prince has a right to sing about (incest), and i have a right to not buy it”
Frank zappa cleary states he has no interest in incest. He is not defending the content of anyones lyrics, he is only defending the right for people to say whatever they want. The paragraphs written under the video are so obviously false and seem to be pulled out of the authors ass.
Comment by Paul — December 29, 2007 @ 6:12 pm |
Happy New Year for all Zappa’s fans and keep the great work here hahahaha!!
Comment by ZutboF — January 1, 2008 @ 3:37 am |
Zappa owns, you little fascist theocrat!
Comment by Jacke — January 14, 2008 @ 5:09 pm |
“I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.”
That was Zappa’s position here. That is all.
Comment by The Ice Cream Man — January 23, 2008 @ 9:32 pm |
by the way… sam who? brownback? who the f*** is he? i’m sorry, did i forget about him already?
Comment by LRonHoover — January 28, 2008 @ 11:37 am |
this guy is [mess]ed up
ABCDEFZ
Comment by edave — February 6, 2008 @ 1:22 pm |
You’re disgusting. You know, growing up is hard enough to do, and it’s even worse when I have to put up with people like you. Sisyphus, YOU people are the ones who deserve to be burned in a dumpster. If there were less religious nuts/hardcore conservatives such as yourself trying to ram your beliefs down everyone else’s throat, maybe more people would listen to you. That man fought for YOUR right to even start this blog. I wish the worst for you!
Comment by Petit Wazette — February 21, 2008 @ 11:06 pm |
Frank once wrote “There’s a big difference between kneeling down and bending over” the author of this site is the biggest IDIOT I have ever read. How many children were molested by Catholic priest over the years. How many people were murdered by the Catholic church. Estimates are over 50 million. Yes you uniformed, low life, uneducated feces sucker. The Church and i mean MOST not ALL are a danger to the minds of young and old. Our country is going to HELL at a rapid pace thinks to the likes of christen gw bush. There is no one other than JESUS that had the wit wisdom or foreknowledge that the GREAT FRANK ZAPPA had. Of course i am not being entirely serious but even a low life like you should get the point. If i could reach out through this computer, i would choke the sh#t out of you. Jesus would surly think your a JERK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by LTZ D A BREE — March 13, 2008 @ 6:48 pm |
Why is that it takes a believer’s mind to get the best examples of true perversion? Zappa promoting incest? Probably too much NWO-gospel in your ears to listen carefully.
Wait, I got it, Bush is a believer himself, right? On a mission for God? Right.
Believe in any pre-historical story you like, just don’t try to get the world organized around it: we evolved, you know.
Comment by eYes — April 11, 2008 @ 3:48 am |
Sisyphus is doomed to spout idiotic comments for all of eternity. Hellfire club is a club that Ben and his friends went to for orgies, etc. Yes, one of the founding fathers participated in gratious sex, excess alcohol consumption, . . . Why do you think they wrote the constitition? So, Ben and his friends could continue thier lifestyle.
Comment by sisyphus is a moron — April 26, 2008 @ 8:00 am |
Zappa is a saint!
Comment by ZutboF — May 9, 2008 @ 1:59 pm |
Wow, I have to say that Zappa really seemed to dominate that conversation, and I tended to agree with him more than the round fellow. Of course, Zappa stayed rather calm demeanored while roundy got all bumbly and flustered, and that certainly didn’t help his case. But yeah, I hafta side with Zappa on this one.
What does my fellow Zappa fan, Marty think?
Comment by Armand Jean du Plessis de Richelieu — May 11, 2008 @ 3:46 am |
Well well well. Here, once again we have evidence of two things:
One, America is full of ugly-minded reactionary bigots who, in the name of their twisted book of fairytales, claim the right to spout hate-speak, bully and oppress every citizen;
Two, America is also full of rather calmer, more rational intelligent individuals who know better than to listen to these demented thugs. It’s encouraging to see this blog being denounced as the shameful idiocy it is.
Dig up a man’s corpse and burn it? Because his views weren’t the same as yours? Way to go. Or is it supposed to be ironic? And please don’t accuse us all of being conformist sheep for shouting you down – I don’t need to be told to come here and defend a dead man. I’m not a wannabe rebel. I call you out for your intolerance and your hatred because I think it needs to be said – not because “Zappa rulz d00d”.
Comment by Oysterfrond — May 12, 2008 @ 11:54 am |
Some people just don’t get it….. I am sure this guy don’t get none!
Comment by Jerry Ford — July 13, 2008 @ 1:44 pm |
By the way Lott’s children were also his grand children, Lott’s daughters seduced him while he was drunk. If the bible were read the same way some of the conservatives listen to Zappa’s music than the bible would be said to be promoting incest. We all know this is preposterous, just as it is evil to judge someone and say he should burn in hell.
When a small minded person thinks music’s weird I turn the volume up. It’s only beyond their comprehension.
Zappa was a great composer, don’t judge on sound bytes, maybe some of you pea brains should listen before you judge.
Comment by Joe D — August 5, 2008 @ 8:55 pm |
once again… sam who?
Comment by LRonHoover — September 24, 2008 @ 2:52 pm |
Frank Zappa was a great man and a musical genius. Your blog doesn’t change that,but it is very disturbing for thinking people to see and realize folks like you exist. I sure wish the religious right would get out of politics. It might be constructive if the republican party could get back to its fundamental objectives. Just keep demonizing things you don’t understand, you will reap what you sow. OOH LOOK! A FOSSIL!
Comment by Doug — November 3, 2008 @ 11:42 pm |
I subscribe to Frank Zappa’s view on society and the religious stupidity that makes America’s (and the British) legal systems a foul joke.
Zappa, (like myself) knew/know that censorship is rediculous. If children were educated properly at a very early age. There would be no need for censorship. The children and society would develop a more natural form of censorship that would make production of pornography unprofitable.
I tested this with my own children and taught them all about the facts of life and meanings of swear words by the time they were five years old.
None of my children like watching pornography (males or females)and they only swear when it appears necessary.
They even censor us adults. If I turn the TV to a program that has excessive swearing on it, my children would tell me off and leave the room if I don’t change the channel.
They have developed self-censorship and would never purchase pornography. A society full of well educated children like mine, would render the pornography trade unviable.
Cheers,
Comment by Graeme Day — November 16, 2008 @ 2:28 am |
I will have to elaborate on my previous post.
I should have differentiated between the two censorship terms.
I mean that there should be no law enforced censorship.
Self-censorship does not charge anybody, just turns the Self away from whatever Self wants to avoid. All TV’s, radios and MP3 players have an ‘off switch’.
If children understand the reality of sexuality, violence and death from an early age, they are less likely to be excited by them as adolescents and adults.
My children enjoy action movies and comedies, but if there is too much bloodshed, sex or swearing in the move.
My children will just simply turn it off.
To sort of quote another person I admire, Gordon Ramsay.
“If you don’t like my language, just change the channel or turn the f@@k@@g thing off.”
Cheers,
Comment by Graeme Day — November 16, 2008 @ 2:55 am |
I like Zappa. He was great. Maybe he was too blunt for you but he said things that maybe we need to all think about. Perhaps before we speak. There’s a difference between talking about incest and actually doing it. If there isn’t, then I would like to remind our blogowner that he brought it up — so what am I supposed to think if that’s how it is?
I’ve listened to everything Zappa ever made musically until I know it, and it seems that what he sang about most was *stupidity*. I find it most enjoyable when everyone shuts up and they just play music — which if you didn’t know was a good chunk of what he did. Many of his albums were instrumental.
As far as his swearing, and the reasons why “liberals” swear — well, perhaps it was because they weren’t listening to what he had to say so, a rude word popped the bubble so to speak. I actually thought it was humorous. It wasn’t as humorous as the big biker dude that just happened to be gay punching out the bumpkin gaybasher the last time I saw one of those protests. I couldn’t help but laugh myself silly at that. Bought the big biker a drink, too, for it; I figured he deserved it.
All that said, if I had a nice burro, I’m sure it would be cute enough to kiss.
Perhaps I’ll go to Hell for this, but I thought about it, and as I understand it I do have a choice. Why anyone would think that I would want to go to Michigan is beyond me. I was there before and I didn’t think much of it. I suppose if I have to go to Hell, I can take weekend vacations in Toronto. Actually I would rather go to Ibiza. Although Detroit had the MC5, Iggy Pop, Alice Cooper, and Destroy All Monsters so it can’t be ALL bad.
Comment by Keef — November 29, 2008 @ 6:20 pm |
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All of you disgust me. Everyone. The Zappa Fans and the Religous idiots. The idea that Frank Supported child molestation by satirizing the molesters doesn’t mean he’s encouraging it. That’s like saying I support child molestation by bringing it up. And for the Zappa fans, it’s not nice to pick on the mentally handicapped. (Oh no, I’m going to burn in hell with Frank And Ghandi for Saying that! I guess peace, level mindedness and free speech are…(gasp!) SINS!)
Comment by the truth — January 13, 2009 @ 2:25 pm |
You should probably know about a thing before writing about a thing. Because you got Zappa completely wrong.
Your ignorance is not amusing, it’s rather pathetic.
Comment by Fred Zepplin — March 10, 2009 @ 11:06 am |
Dear lord wow honestly how can anyone bash him that hard unless you just to ignorante for life its self and you can’t think for you self. Allso Zappa really didn’t support it unless you look harder “prince has a right to sing about (incest), and i have a right to not buy it” Why must the idoits pull that same old shit honestly i think Zappa run though peoples heads so fast so far how come Zappa was so good at it shit he ran your damned logic and flipped it on its heads now what you bunch of dumb asses
Comment by Geoff C — March 13, 2009 @ 6:24 pm |
I would just like to point out to the editor that calling one a “loathesome buboe” is much more offensive to some (including me) than a meaningless “profanity,” as is the idea of one person (the editor) deciding which language is appropriate for me and the rest of the readers.
Also, I am offended by the idea of exhuming and burning a body, but I have the choice to not read about it, because this is AMERICA. Where we are free to say what we want, where we want, and are free to stay away from such things when we want.
Comment by Dominic — April 10, 2009 @ 5:32 pm |
Man, im late joining this post.
Just want to say, singing about incest doesnt equate to endorsing it. That would be like saying Joe Pesce endorses violence by stabbing that man in the neck with a pen in Casino. He isn’t its called acting! It’d be like saying Randy Newman actually hates short people and supports slavery, he doesn’t. It’d be like saying Stanley Kubrick endorsed sex with a minor by directing Lolita, he didn’t.
You’re claims that Frank Zappa endorsed incest, or vegetable lust (if that indeed exists, is that even a sin? Which bible reference will lead me to the part about ‘not lusting after vegetables?’).
I don’t have any real problems with religion, maybe thats because i live in a more secular society, where politics isnt perverted by religious doctrine. I was brought up a Catholic, i made my decision not to believe in God, if i go to hell, oh well! Religion has its place, in the church yes, in politics no.
Comment by Zappaphile89 — May 9, 2009 @ 3:03 pm |
you SHOULD have a problem with religion, Religion breeds intolerance and hatred towards anything that their faith does not understand. Religion does have its place and that place is in the annuls of history along with the roman empire and moon snacks. seriously baptists for brokeback join the rest of us in the age of logic and reason and drop your ridiculous iron age superstitions its 2009 not 1209 your fairy tales are unnecessary in today’s world.
Zappa was an amazing artist belittled by small minded fucks like all of you “good Christians” if god existed he wouldn’t want you for your petty minds and lack of intelligence.
Comment by rubberduckchuck — July 11, 2009 @ 2:08 pm |
well.. He will be for ever remeber has one of the most inventive, creative, inteligence, smart and one of the simple human beings ever created.. of course that republicans need something to hate because everyone hates them..
but most importing thing: you’ll die and no one will give a fuck about it.. and Zappa died 16 years ago and his music will go on through the ages.
Comment by Ricardo — December 15, 2009 @ 12:37 am |
He was one of the biggest composer and actor of 20th century.
I miss him
Comment by getva — August 15, 2010 @ 1:38 am |
I don’t know what the hell you are smoking that would make you think that anyone defending the right to free speech supports incest (by that argument America supports incest) but I suggest you lay it off for a bit because it is making you sound dumber and crazier than Glenn Beck. It’s conservatives like you that give us a bad name.
Comment by Aaron Green — October 6, 2010 @ 7:11 pm |
Whoever wrote this is NOT a true christian, or conservative. Doesn’t the Bible say to love everyone unconditionally? Doesn’t the Constitution give us the right to say whatever we want? I’m a christian, and even though I am aware of Zappa’s atheism, I still love him and his music to the fullest extent. The writer really needs to do more research about Zappa, and what he stood for.
Frank was never a supporter of incest. Just because he strove to protect the RIGHT for someone to talk (in this case, sing) about incest, DOES NOT mean he wanted it to happen. Plus, answer this question: Where in the Bible does it ever condemn the use of profanity, and if so, does it ever say that it is sinful to do so? Well Ephesians 4:29 (NIV) says: “Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.” If one really thinks about it, it would become apparent to him/or her that Frank Zappa used these words to benefit others with his knowledge of what actually should be done with censorship.
So basically, the writer of this article is BEARING A FALSE WITNESS AGAINST ONE OF HIS NEIGHBORS (Frank Zappa) who never even intended to put harm upon anyone. Just to remind some biblically oblivious people, the act of bearing false witnesses against his/or her neighbors is breaking the ninth of the ten commandments, meaning it is a SIN. And guess what happens to people who sin?
Comment by Zovos — October 16, 2010 @ 3:39 pm |
Whoever wrote this bullshit should rot in hell. Mr. Zappa has as much right as any person in the united states to defend what he believes in. This country was founded on the basis of freedom for its people. Mr. Zappa did NOT support incest, he disagreed with it entirely. He was simply fighting for freedom of speech, WHICH IS PROTECTED BY THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. He has the same right to share his ideas as the writer of this has to share his BULLSHIT. the same right I have to share my thoughts. Thats what Mr. Zappa was fighting for. Get your head out of your ass and use it. Mr. Zappa did more for this country than you will ever do in your putrid little life. He continuously fought for freedom of speech, against drug use, against alcohol abuse, etc.
Comment by StampledPress — December 12, 2010 @ 1:52 am |
Burn in hell Sam Brownback!
Comment by Frankie Mclean — December 23, 2010 @ 10:27 pm |
I don’t agree with what you say but i’ll defend your right to say it. isn’t that what the whole crossfire debate was about, before it got hijacked by religion and incest. Frank was a very opinionated individual, so opinionated that he’s still stirring shit nearly 20years after his passing. It’d be extremely hypocrytical to shut down this site; these morons have the right to say whatever they want to say. We just don’t have to listen to it. Now, if you start shoving it (personal beliefs) down my throat, as your congress was doing at the time, thats when we have a problem.
Comment by Mr. Samuelson — January 17, 2011 @ 12:09 am |
“His music was horrible and weird, and his viewpoints were, too. WE SHOULD EXHUME HIS BODY AND BURN IT IN A DUMPSTER.”
Do you really not see the irony in this?
Comment by Simon Stewart — May 15, 2011 @ 5:46 pm |
“There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.” Frank Zappa
I’d like to thank the composer of this post and all those who think like him/her/it for proving out the above quote. Zappa was a genius, of course you bible thumping twits would hate him. You couldn’t think outside the realm of your own pitiful existence’s if your lives depended on it.
Comment by Gregpry Peckory — June 15, 2011 @ 1:33 pm |
Zappa will be remembered – its that simple – when we are all gone and popular music from 1960’s onwards is reviewed for the amazing specticle it actually is certain people will be remembered for different things in this genre and will be considered genius. The beatles and hendrix for sure will be there, for diferent reasons. Zappa will also be there, allthough not as mainstream – this is the point – he did what he wanted how he wanted and lived for the musical he created – his musical ability was really something to behold in terms of guitar playing / composing and producing amongst other things. As a lyrist and public speaker – he obviously used words like he did his music – to provoke / to experiment ./ to open minds / to think out of the box ./ to socially comment / to use his inteligence to thought provoke – the people who dont get it are not meant to ( did zappa say that ? ). I just think those people in the world that can open their minds and are ready to learn will appreciate zappa, even if they do not understand or agree where he was coming from.
He is a Genius in many way and an inovator of many things musical and non – his turn against the popular and the establishment was a little more than just rebellion – he was an open minded intelligent man unscared of standing up with a voice and standing against the norm – free speech he included in his songs and was not scared to tell ‘ his truth ‘ and take the piss at the same time – what a geeza he really was – he will be remembered – but unlike any faith – his fans and followers have real untampered evidence of his words and work. Doesnt Jesus look abit like Borat too ? HIgh Five !
Comment by apostrophe stu — February 27, 2012 @ 8:42 pm |
I’m not a citizen of the united states of america. Except for what i see on Tv, movies, internet and what i listen from music, i know nothing about your culture (generally speaking). So my question is? IS there really people like this? i mean the author of the post. IS it really possible to believe in these things? WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? Is really sad to realize that you’re not missing a lot of things in this life. And i’m not talking about sex, drugs, illegal activities, etc or anything remotely sinful.
I can’t believe this. I’ts a joke. A shame. Excuse me, not harm intended, but you’re a zombie. wake up.
Comment by Can't believe this — May 26, 2012 @ 1:02 am |
That is so true!
Comment by Diego Martin — August 13, 2013 @ 8:43 am |
Perhaps he enjoyed being the contrarian. Sometimes I felt he was playing with you. Did he REALLY believe in the positions he was taking or did he just enjoy stirring things up? In the end Frank Zappa said he didn’t care if anyone remembered him at all. Really?
Check out this video on YouTube:
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Comment by Immigration Advice Hillingdon — October 23, 2012 @ 6:47 pm |
So you’re bashing him for defending our GOD given right to free speech? You also think that he should burn in hell for it? I didn’t know you were God!
P.S. If you truly call yourselves “Christians” you should check out the book of Romans (chapter 2 is a kicker!)
Comment by The Garbage Man — November 24, 2012 @ 6:46 pm |
P.S.S. Zappa NEVER advocated drug use!
Comment by The Garbage Man — November 24, 2012 @ 6:49 pm |
The guy died 14 years before you ‘wrote’ this, what the f-took you so long? Oh, I bet you just learned of the man and decided to besmirch him.
Comment by Joseph Watley III — December 20, 2012 @ 4:53 pm |
See, here’s the thing. I gave up my imaginary friend when I was four. You are an adult who is arguing against the First Amendment based on what your imaginary friend thinks.
You say an awful lot about “think of the children” and admonishing profanity. However, I haven’t read a more disturbing thing than the desire to dig up a dead man and publicly defile his corpse. That is sicker than pretty much anything I’ve heard in a Zappa album.
Why?
Because when Zappa said outrageous things it was in the context of art. You said what you said in no such context, leaving us only the impression that what you said was the absolute truth of your opinion.
Take care, and go fuck yourself.
Comment by Wilhelm — January 18, 2013 @ 1:58 pm |
Wow, this piece of writing is fastidious, my younger sister
is analyzing these kinds of things, therefore I am going to inform her.
Comment by radiosender — February 20, 2013 @ 10:54 pm |
Wow, the level of stupid the original poster displays is astounding and disheartening. Zappa is defending the constitution and simultaneously ridiculing censorship while promoting freedom of thought. And this is a bad thing? What a stupid and narrow world he/she/it lives within. Glad I’m not there. Of course this attitude is exactly why the Republican party will continue to lose presidential elections as it races towards irrelevance. Too bad, because the Democrats suck almost as much. We need a third and/or fourth party. The current parties are filled with assclowns.
Comment by Sam Fireshipbergson — April 12, 2013 @ 3:54 pm |
Only in America. Gotta love it. Thanks for framing the argument Frank
Comment by Opie — June 19, 2013 @ 10:06 am |
Franks music is beautiful, unique and totally without any parallel. His music is art.. not a testimony of his beliefs..
it’s a shame that some totally bogus and psychotic religious belief stops so many people from seeing what a wonderful world they live in.
there is a comment up the top which says ‘ the only words we need to hear are in the bible’ …. i have never read anything so stupid in my entire life. Why would you even comment then?
if you don’t like Franks stuff it’s probably because he mocked your idiotic love for something stupid… the church, the military, the government, poodles.
Comment by adwaldo lexofarium — December 4, 2013 @ 12:26 pm |
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Comment by Teri — December 18, 2013 @ 10:21 am |
What’s up, I read your new stuff regularly. Your writing style is witty, keep it up!
Comment by nesting dolls for kids — February 10, 2014 @ 6:04 pm |
http://youtu.be/nUja5B8ei2U?t=40s Enjoy!
Comment by reallyclosemindedperson — March 20, 2014 @ 1:04 pm |
“A mind is like a parachute it only works if it is open.”
Frank Zappa
Comment by Frank Zappa — March 25, 2014 @ 3:59 pm |
Relax fellas, looking around I can clearly see that this is a joke-site. The whole thing is so overblown and nonsensical that it just has to be sarcastic.
Comment by Matthew Thompson Dalldorf — April 3, 2015 @ 1:39 am |
Deviant perverts like Zappa have read the bible.and listened to enlightened.christian war mongers that send our boys off to some stupid wars like viet nam,iraq…..in Jesus name and claim that anyone who doesn’t agree with are commie atheist destroyers of America…..well if you had.your way they would all be purged. ….we.all.know what that mean…..amen….Hitler was.a fine christian and.would be voted Grand wizard posthumously by that other fine christian organization the KKK
Comment by MOEHOWEIRD THE PROFIT — July 17, 2015 @ 1:11 am |
god fucking damn
even jesus is ashamed of you people
lighten up, get a clue, and STFU
anyways, eh?
Comment by Derek “MonkeyShines13” Mogambo — September 9, 2015 @ 4:40 am |
Regardless of what anyone says or thinks about Frank, he loved his audience, his friends and his family. He was very much a family man, and all those that appreciate and follow him are loyal to him. He had a loving family. I look at it this way. In “Porn Wars,” Senator Hollings says he had an opportunity to attend a showing of “porn rock.” Why in the fuck does someone go to a concert to find fault with the artist? If you have something against him, don’t go to his fucking show.
Comment by Barry Bozarth — February 29, 2016 @ 11:26 am |
Something changed in the late 70s with his music. It became weird and annoying. Almost as annoying as his bigotry. I don’t think that rock music kills people at all. But Zappa was not a moron. He was smart and had a demented mindset on issues of what should be socially acceptable.
Comment by 2K02 person — June 24, 2016 @ 1:03 pm |
Let us all the praise the Christian Virtues of this blogging site. I am truly inspired by the editor’s display of Jesus’ love when he says stuff like: “Now go die in a fire, scum.” This is a truly wonderful representation of God’s love on earth, made manifest by an exemplary representative. Thank you for this beautiful demonstration of love! Praise Jesus! Go die in a fire – or, at the very least, paralyzed in a horrific car crash! God loves you!
Comment by Destiny — August 21, 2016 @ 8:44 am |
Another brain-dead, christian moron.
Comment by Lefty Blitzer — August 21, 2016 @ 12:40 pm |