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July 16, 2007

Burn in Hell, Frank Zappa!

Another astute reader sent me this segment of Zappa defending unspeakably perverse filth:

Zappa supported incest. He also used profanity on national television when others pointed out the insanity of his position. The man clearly hated America and everything it stood for. Luckily, the other commenters out-argued him and backed him into a corner, from whence he could only foray with ad hominems and profanity.

Zappa even attempts to co-opt the position of his opponents. “I’m a conservative.” If he was Republican, he was pure RINO. But more likely, he was lying as he visibly wilted under the pressure of defending an insane position against erudite and eloquent opponents.

The man belonged in a strait jacket. Wherever he is now, I’m sure it’s hot and I don’t want to go there. He was one of the deviant perverts who subsumed American culture in the 1960s. His music was horrible and weird, and his viewpoints were, too. We should exhume his body and burn it in a dumpster. It’s the least we can do for him, after all he did to us.

Update (by Psycheout): See this important message for zappa.com readers.

455 Comments »

  1. Yeah, the guy’s an idiot. Is it just me, or does he have more than a passing resemblance to Borat?!

    However,

    “If he was Republican, he was pure RINO.”

    I agree that he cannot be conservative, but that statement alone: do you have a monopoly on the definition of conservative? Just because you say a person isn’t conservative doesn’t make it true, as everybody’s definition of conservative is different.

    Comment by Adam Nelson — July 16, 2007 @ 7:55 am | Reply

  2. The only words we need to hear are the Words of God contained in the Bible.

    Comment by Helen Bock — July 16, 2007 @ 11:00 am | Reply

    • Then SHUT UP so we can hear them, bimbo-tard.

      Comment by Uh Clem — May 5, 2011 @ 4:12 pm | Reply

  3. Amen, Helen.

    Comment by Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett — July 16, 2007 @ 11:01 am | Reply

  4. Frank Zappa – a prophet for our times and now a saint!

    Comment by Bob Baffet — July 16, 2007 @ 11:01 am | Reply

  5. He did kind of look like Borat! I doubt he does any more, though.

    I do have a confession to make. I did like the song he did with his daughter, Valley Girl.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 16, 2007 @ 11:55 am | Reply

  6. Nothing wrong with admitting he is a talented musician. Hitler was a terrible human being, but he was very intelligent to accomplish what he did.

    Comment by Adam Nelson — July 16, 2007 @ 12:23 pm | Reply

    • Did you know Hitler, then you really dont know. You are just piping the same old fucking song of jewih Hollywood. Why dont you read some history. Maybe a little on that piece of shit FDR and how it was the Balfour Declaration that started that war not the German people. Learn some history and then comment……..

      Comment by quantrill — June 2, 2014 @ 7:48 pm | Reply

  7. I don’t know about talented. I just thought the song was funny. And I half expected you to say “Hitler was a terrible human being, but man could he paint. And that Mein Kampf, what a page turner!”

    But be prepared for Zappa lovers to come in here screaming that you called Zappa “Hitler.” I can almost guarantee it.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 16, 2007 @ 1:17 pm | Reply

  8. Why can’t the US government do something about things like poverty and failing heath care and education systems, and stay the f*ck out of people’s homes?

    Wasn’t America supposed to be a “free country”?

    Comment by Skeptic — July 16, 2007 @ 1:25 pm | Reply

  9. I agree. I personally think too much effort is put on media censorship. The mediais not the problem, the PEOPLE are. Here’s a solution to the problems on TV: turn it the hell off.

    Comment by Adam Nelson — July 16, 2007 @ 2:20 pm | Reply

  10. Hitler was a terrible painter. Really just awful.

    Comment by Salmo — July 17, 2007 @ 2:51 pm | Reply

  11. Frank Zappa is a genius!!

    He love America!!

    It is not because you are stupid, that we hate you!!

    It has never mattered to me that thirty million people might think I’m wrong. The number of people who thought Hitler was right did not make him right…
    Why do you necessarily have to be wrong just because a few million people think you are?
    — Frank Zappa, quoted from The Real Frank Zappa Book

    Comment by ZutboF — July 29, 2007 @ 7:08 pm | Reply

  12. Ahhhh….I was wondering where all the idiots hung out on the web. I can rest easy now.

    It’s a shame you don’t understand Zappa’s fundamental position here, and it’s a shame you find it necessary to attack him as a person for holding his own beliefs. It’s a shame that you don’t enjoy or understand his music. ‘Horrible and weird’. No, it wasn’t….but it was certainly beyond your ken, along with other 20th century composers, ie Webern, Bartok, Stravinsky, Varese. If you didn’t know that he composed serious art-music, then you don’t know enough about the man.

    A shame…..but not surprising. At your level, you just don’t know any better.

    Comment by Tom — August 4, 2007 @ 12:56 am | Reply

  13. Frank Zappa is loved by millions and he’s one of the finest American’s that ever lived. In that film he defends freedom of speech. He’s not into incest, he’s saying the idea of banning a record that deal’s with incest is wrong because where does it end?
    You are too think to understand Zappa, Bush is more your hero.

    And to hear you suggest digging him up. Man, you’re one sick human being.

    Comment by Kid B — August 4, 2007 @ 1:42 am | Reply

  14. A bit rude to claim that “Zappa supported incest.” I think this is a very serious statement that warrants a proper source. If you cannot provide this, I think you should retract that comment.

    As to his music, I am not surprised that you cannot appreciate it. It is probably a bit too challenging for a person who clearly has a desire for presenting everything in one, and only one, dimension.

    Comment by HJ — August 4, 2007 @ 1:56 am | Reply

  15. Uh oh, Zappa and his moronic fans have risen from the grave. Like, gag me with a spoon. You guys are going to love our upcoming expose on Jerry “Beezelbub” Garcia.

    Comment by Psycheout — August 4, 2007 @ 2:20 am | Reply

  16. Gag you with a spoon? Huh??

    Oh thats right, you’re a Christian.

    Comment by Tom — August 4, 2007 @ 2:31 am | Reply

  17. Frank Zappa was one of the most important US figures of the XX century, one of the most influential musicians and also a knowledgeable social critic. He stood all the good things the US used to care about, like freedom of speech and freedom of choice.

    He was not for incest (you need to back that up with facts). without his contribution the world would have been an even worse place…

    Comment by Dee Ann Aye — August 4, 2007 @ 4:56 am | Reply

  18. Psycheout,
    Jesus thinks you’re a jerk! He wouldn’t approve of you calling people moronic. Have some respect.

    If anything it is Borat who looks like Zappa, not the other way round!

    Comment by Dee Ann Aye — August 4, 2007 @ 5:02 am | Reply

  19. Show me where The Bible says thou shalt not call a moron “moronic,” Dee Ann.

    Comment by Psycheout — August 4, 2007 @ 7:10 am | Reply

  20. Ok, you have just proved that you are a complete moron. Zappa quite clearly states that he is not interested in incest, but he sees no reason why people should be stigmatised for promoting it in their songs. Frank was for artistic freedom, not sexual aberrations. Frank Zappa also believed in America and the Constitution, what he did not like was these other ‘true Americans’ who coletely flubbed it up. You sir, are a complete and utter retard, but the one even more retarded than you, is the guy who sold you a computer.

    [Ed Note: Profanity is not tolerated. This is a family-friendly website. Why do liberals always use foul language?]

    Comment by Crudblud — August 4, 2007 @ 8:21 am | Reply

  21. It seems quite common for people like this blogger , to initiate a blog like this , showing complete ignorance of a subject. To call Zappa a moron shows a complete lack of understanding of Zappa and music in general. You probably like people like Bobby Goldsboro , who WAS convicted of incest , but he wrote NICE songs , right?
    Do yourself a favor and learn something about a subject before you opine on it. You seem to have a typical redneck hillbilly attitude towards things you don’t understand….ie…. “My daddy said he was bad and that’s good nuff for me “.
    Jeeze — wise up clown😦

    Comment by Pedro1 — August 4, 2007 @ 9:02 am | Reply

    • 21.It seems quite common for people like this blogger , to initiate a blog like this , showing complete ignorance of a subject. To call Zappa a moron shows a complete lack of understanding of Zappa and music in general. You probably like people like Bobby Goldsboro , who WAS convicted of incest , but he wrote NICE songs , right?
      Do yourself a favor and learn something about a subject before you opine on it. You seem to have a typical redneck hillbilly attitude towards things you don’t understand….ie…. “My daddy said he was bad and that’s good nuff for me “.
      Jeeze — wise up clown

      This post is so old, but once it’s on the web it’s there forever, and this 2nd idiot should be corrected for showing his complete ignorance of a subject. Bobby Goldsboro was NEVER convicted of incest, child molestation, or even possession of kiddie porn. Do yourself a favor, and take your own advice, learn something about a subject before you opine on it. Now, go back to your gay website and play with little wendell, you stupid ass stain.

      Comment by Darren — June 30, 2013 @ 2:24 am | Reply

  22. My best advice to anyone who wants to raise a happy, mentally healthy child is: Keep him or her as far away from a church as you can.

    -Frank Zappa

    Comment by Miguel — August 4, 2007 @ 11:55 am | Reply

  23. Well this whole issue is immaterial. Freedom of speech and freedom of expression are protected rights. Everyone has free will. I choose not to listen to rap music, doesnt mean rap music fans are going to hell. What’s next? Maybe Allen Ginsberg should be dragged through the mud too. Frank Zappa is a very talented artist. He was years ahead of his time. What I see in this interview is a very intelligent man being assaulted by narrow minded conservative people. Blind hatred and name calling is something those commentators and this blog have in common. It is no wonder you decided to post on it. All of the attacks from the commentators were not well supported if at all by facts. I suppose slander isn’t a bad thing.

    For the record I think god is a Zappa fan.

    Comment by thebomb — August 4, 2007 @ 11:59 am | Reply

  24. Frank Zappa was a pervert and a weirdo who got exactly what he deserved. Anyone who doubts his depravity has to defend the lyrics to the album “Absolutely Free,” in which he advocates child molestation and vegetable lust. The man belonged in a straitjacket, not on national television. That’s the moonbat media’s bias for you.

    “My best advice to anyone who wants to raise a happy, mentally healthy child is: Keep him or her as far away from a church as you can.”

    This proves Frank Zappa was an evil, evil man.

    Comment by Sisyphus — August 4, 2007 @ 12:28 pm | Reply

    • “lyrics to the album “Absolutely Free,” in which he advocates child molestation”

      Where?

      “”My best advice to anyone who wants to raise a happy, mentally healthy child is: Keep him or her as far away from a church as you can.”

      This proves Frank Zappa was an evil, evil man.”

      How can he be an evil man just cause he criticized churches? Are you an islamic extremist?

      Try to articulate the subject or make some sense.

      Comment by Claudio — August 13, 2009 @ 4:52 pm | Reply

  25. Why Sisyphus? So if you don’t attend church you are automatically evil? Frank Zappa never advocated it. He sang about. There is a big difference. And you went to church I’ll assume, and you don’t appear to be sane thus supporting his statement. It’s people like you that made Frank Zappa the person he bacame. He saw the intollerence and prejudice that has run rampant if American society throughout history and he did something to raise awareness. You are prejudiced. Your views are akewed by your blind (sxtreme)faith. The bible said Jesus loves all gods children. Who are you to go against what Jesus believed.

    Comment by thebomb — August 4, 2007 @ 12:38 pm | Reply

  26. GO love YOU MOTHERS CRUSTY bottom hole WITH A DULL KITCHEN KNIFE!!

    [Ed Note: Bad grammar and foul language: the hallmarks of a Frank Zappa fan.]

    Comment by jaypfunk — August 4, 2007 @ 1:07 pm | Reply

  27. GO love YOU MOTHERS CRUSTY bottom hole WITH A DULL KITCHEN KNIFE!!

    [Ed Note: Bad grammar, foul language and tourettes syndrome: the hallmarks of a Frank Zappa fan.]

    Comment by jaypfunk — August 4, 2007 @ 1:07 pm | Reply

  28. GO love YOU MOTHERS CRUSTY bottom hole WITH A DULL KITCHEN KNIFE!!

    [Ed Note: Okay, we get it.]

    Comment by jaypfunk — August 4, 2007 @ 1:08 pm | Reply

  29. GO love YOU MOTHERS CRUSTY bottom hole WITH A DULL KITCHEN KNIFE!!

    [Ed Note: That’s enough, already.]

    Comment by jaypfunk — August 4, 2007 @ 1:09 pm | Reply

  30. JOHN LOFTON IS A lady parts BURGER!!!

    [Ed Note: Can you lay off the profanity, please? Children read this site, too.]

    Comment by jaypfunk — August 4, 2007 @ 1:09 pm | Reply

  31. These are the same bottomholes that are going to the D.C. Madam for baby oil hand modeling jobs!! Hypocrites!! See my picture here and be my friend!!

    [Ed Note: Wow, you are a repulsive human being!]

    Comment by jaypfunk — August 4, 2007 @ 1:11 pm | Reply

  32. ”he advocates child molestation and vegetable lust” – Sisyphus

    yeah, error #1 : don’t confuse the message with the messenger.. error #2, what the flub is vegetable lust?!

    religion stultifies your mind, isn’t it funny how religion is forced on people too young to do anything about it, and they are not given a choice in the matter. it’s a big con.

    frank zappa was a true hero, and if you can’t see that you are a complete ‘tard. jesus thinks you’re a jerk!

    Comment by Jessie Edwardo — August 4, 2007 @ 3:23 pm | Reply

  33. A “true hero?” Okay, how many terrorists did he kill?

    This hero worship thing is ridiculous. Haven’t you heard the one about not putting any false idols before the Lord thy G-d? Ring any bells?

    Comment by Psycheout — August 4, 2007 @ 4:52 pm | Reply

  34. So basically psycheout, what you’re saying here is that Zappa fans are “wrong” to think of Zappa as their hero, but religious folk are “right” to think of God as their hero?
    Zappa is someone I admire greatly, and one important and very relevant point to note here, is that Zappa was a human being who actually existed.

    Comment by Emma — August 4, 2007 @ 7:02 pm | Reply

  35. Emma, having heros is not uncommon in Christian beliefs that are not god. Jesus, and all the saints to name some. If they believe it is a sin to believe Zappa is a hero then it would also be a sin to believe the saints and Christ himself was a hero. Double standards are popular with these people. What’s ok for them to do is unaccetpable if you arent of their same creed. Zappa inspired millions. He used his specific genre to raise awareness and diversify the musical industry. His works are basied in a profound musical knowledge using various sources of classical music. Igorant prejudicial people like the one that posted this blog should really look at the man and his talent.

    Comment by thebomb — August 4, 2007 @ 9:04 pm | Reply

  36. AN IMPORTANT NOTE FOR ZAPPA.COM FOLKS

    It’s really precious that these Zappa fans finally discovered this post 3 weeks after it was posted. Now, because they read about it on a Frank Zappa forum, they felt it was their duty to rush over here and somehow help save dead Frank from these awful bullies that said some mean things about him.

    There’s forums for everything these days. Outcasts of all kinds find each other and huddle together, safe in their idiosyncracies, on the Internet. If I were to make fun of diaper fetishists or perverted furries, a forum would link to us and the freaks would rush in to tell us how mean we are. It’s actually quite pathetic.

    And the name of the post that these selfless evanglists for Frank are finding B4B from? Please take the defence for Frank on a blog!! Oh boy. C’mon guys, let’s go win this one for The Tripper!

    Look guys. Let be honest about this. Zappa would laugh at you for this pointless lemming-like behavior and mindless obsession. If I understand the Zappa mythos, and I suspect I do, he was this great anti-establishment type who did things his own way and didn’t follow the herd. Or so the belief goes.

    But what about his fans who rush hither and yon to vanquish those horrible people who don’t share their mindless hero worship? Frank Zappa would laugh at you, you ignorant herd. Most, if not all of you, are exactly the kind of people Frank Zappa would despise.

    If you really think the guy is so wonderful and his ideas are so important, why not go fight for one of his causes, whatever they happen to be? And I don’t mean just clickety clacking away at your keyboard saying “Zappa rulz d00d!”

    Get out of your echo chambers and off your computer and actually do something. But you won’t. That’s why you’re here and over at at http://www.zappa.com.

    Zappa would disown you all, you useless conformists. You should be ashamed. So go away and buy that collectors box set with unreleased demos and live tracks and pretend that you’re some kind of rebel. You’re not.

    Comment by Psycheout — August 4, 2007 @ 9:26 pm | Reply

    • I’m suprised that there are people like you out there in this world that are so closed-minded to say that people that are different from yourself are “conformist”.

      Comment by Zovos — October 16, 2010 @ 3:48 pm | Reply

    • Sounds like you’re butt hurt that people are calling you out and exposing your stupidity…you’re even whining that they came “3 weeks after it was posted” like there’s a statute of limitations on how much time we have to comment on it. Let’s just face it bub…you’re an ignoramus and the vast majority of people in the world would recognize that immediately.

      Comment by HackerJack — August 16, 2013 @ 12:55 pm | Reply

  37. “I like your Christ. I just don’t like your Christians. They are nothing like your christ.” -Ghandi

    Comment by Grimpoteuthis — August 4, 2007 @ 10:01 pm | Reply

  38. “It’s actually quite pathetic”.

    I tend to think that a person who is a Christian calling for a persons dead body to be exhumed and burnt in a dumpster is significantly more pathetic.

    Whether Frank would disown his fans for defending him over false accusations (ie he was demonstrably not a supporter of incest, even the video you posted should be enough evidence of that) pales in comparison to the real truth….

    ….that if your god actually existed, he won’t be saving a place for you upstairs.

    Oh, and ‘Zappa rulz d00d’? lol. It’s not a Linkin Park forum. I’ll fuck a blow up doll of Jesus up the ass if you can find that line anywhere on the entire Zappa forum. And that little bitch will squeal!!

    Comment by Tom — August 4, 2007 @ 11:39 pm | Reply

  39. The really strange part of your diatribe against Frank Zappa involves a video in which he is indirectly standing up for your constitutional right to say these things about him in a public medium. (indirect, since internet blogs didn’t exist in 1986) Is this all the Republican Party has left to offer America: misinformation and pure, unadulterated, unfocused hate?

    Comment by Approximate — August 5, 2007 @ 12:04 am | Reply

  40. About your important note…

    To disprove three of your points, I’m not trying to “help save dead Frank from these awful bullies”, I did not post here to feel groovy alongside an “ignorant herd” of FZ fans, and I don’t care whether you share in this “mindless hero worship”.

    What caught my attention is that in the very video posted to verify your points on Frank Zappa, you are proven wrong. You say “Zappa supported incest.” From the video:

    Lofton: Do you support records that promote incest as just another kind of sex or in some instances, it might even be preferable. Do you believe that?
    Zappa: No, I don’t agree with it; I have no interest in incest.

    You continute to promote how RIGHT YOU ARE about Frank Zappa. Well, I now acknowledge (recognize) your topic as insane, or perhaps you’re smart enough to the point where you can corrupt and twist ideas to befit your own agenda.

    Comment by Miguel — August 5, 2007 @ 12:46 am | Reply

  41. jerry garcia sucks, skewer that no-talent dope fiend to yer hearts content; hitler’s pretty low; but never [that’s right you heard right] ever compare zappa to jerry farcking garcia

    [Ed Note: We understand that you feel rather strongly about the Zappa-Garcia issue, but please refrain from profanity. Think of the children.]

    Comment by slime.o — August 5, 2007 @ 1:23 am | Reply

  42. “Zappa would disown you all, you useless conformists. You should be ashamed. So go away and buy that collectors box set with unreleased demos and live tracks and pretend that you’re some kind of rebel. You’re not.” – Comment by Psycheout

    First part is just speculation – but yeah, why not. Second part is assuming things about people, AND making crude generalizations about their perceptions of themselves. You would like if the world was so one dimensional? I have news for you: It is not. And thank, whoever or whatever created it, for that! It is a wonderful place with almost infinite opportunities. Just too bad that people like you are on a crusade to make all people alike.

    PS: For the record, I don’t think of myself as a rebel. I do not pretend to be one either. So please do accept that people can differ.

    Comment by HJ — August 5, 2007 @ 3:29 am | Reply

  43. I humbly apologize to HJ. HJ is no rebel. He’s a blog commenter. Who do you think created G-d’s green earth?

    Bonus question: Where did I state that I’m on a crusade to make all people alike?

    Thanks for commenting. And I hope you consider expanding your mind (Frank Zappa would appreciate that) by making B4B part of your daily ritual. See what other people are saying and challenge your own preconceptions. It’s what Jesus would do.

    Comment by Psycheout — August 5, 2007 @ 4:56 am | Reply

  44. I apologize for the comment “crusade to make all people alike”. I just thought that all the efforts to make people believe in Jesus, were aiming at that. I am happy to learn that this is not the case. It just often seem to me that religious people do take a very one-dimensional approach to life. Like when “Zappa is bad” so nothing less than “He should burn in hell” can suffice. I though the whole thing about preaching (religion and/or politics) was based on an idea of making people believe in the same values, ideas, and so forth. In my book that is like making people alike. But, as said, great if this is not the case.

    Note then that the equation “Zappa Fan” = “Moron”, may hold for some and not for others. Just like the equation “Follower of Jesus” = “Person unable to think for him- or herself” may not hold in all cases.

    Comment by HJ — August 5, 2007 @ 8:36 am | Reply

  45. RE: “[Ed Note: Bad grammar, foul language and tourettes syndrome: the hallmarks of a Frank Zappa fan.]”

    A great shame to see that the Editor has to ridicule unfortunate people with a serious desease in his/her efforts to fight profanity and forster preconceptions! Not the Jesus way, or?

    Comment by HJ — August 5, 2007 @ 8:39 am | Reply

  46. I love how people try to turn around stuff like this on Zappa. He did not support incest, he supported the right to not have censorship on labels. Before you come posting a blog like this, please make sure you have your facts straight.

    Comment by John — August 5, 2007 @ 10:36 am | Reply

  47. *censorship on cd’s

    Comment by John — August 5, 2007 @ 10:36 am | Reply

  48. He didn’t hate America, btw. He loved America, and just didn’t like the way that things were being done. Were pretty much in the same situation today, aren’t we?

    Comment by John — August 5, 2007 @ 10:38 am | Reply

  49. ”A “true hero?” Okay, how many terrorists did he kill?”

    so your definition of a hero is how many people you have killed? how very christian of you. one man’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter.


    This hero worship thing is ridiculous. Haven’t you heard the one about not putting any false idols before the Lord thy G-d? Ring any bells?”
    – Psycheout

    LOL.. God = the biggest false idol ever invented.

    Comment by Jessie Edwardo — August 5, 2007 @ 12:17 pm | Reply

  50. “…or perhaps you’re smart enough to the point where you can corrupt and twist ideas to befit your own agenda.”

    Well said Miguel. Aint that what religion is all about? Non believers are just wrong, wrong wrong!

    Nice to see I recieved a reply to my point from “psycheout”. God got your tongue?

    Personally, it isnt about my defending Zappa when anyone speaks badly of him, say what you like, I’m pretty sure if he were around he wouldn’t be too bothered what anyone thought of him. He’d be all for you speaking your mind on the subject. Yes, I love his compositions and his work ethic. I also admire greatly that he had the courage throughout his life to stand up for what he believed in, and do so articulately. I just take issue with ignorance, pomposity and the general hypocrisy that surrounds religion.

    Comment by Emma — August 5, 2007 @ 6:16 pm | Reply

  51. Frank Zappa – Heavenly Bank Account Lyrics

    And if these words you do not heed
    Your pocket book just kinda might recede
    When some man comes along and claims a godly need
    He will clean you out right through your tweed

    That’s right, remember there is a big difference between
    kneeling down and bending over…

    He’s got twenty million dollars
    In his Heavenly Bank Account.. .
    All from those chumps who was
    Born again
    Oh yeah, oh yeah
    He’s got seven limousines
    And a private plane…
    All for use of his
    Special Friends
    Oh yeah, oh yeah
    He’s got thousand-dollar suits
    And a Wembley Tie…
    Girls love to stroke it
    While he’s on the phone
    Oh yeah, oh yeah
    At the House of Representatives
    He’s a groovy guy. . .
    When he Gives Thanks He is not alone. . .

    He is dealin’
    He is really dealin’ IRS can’t determine
    Where The Hook is
    It is easy with the Bible
    To pretend that
    You’re in Show Biz
    They won’t get him
    They will never get him
    For the naughty stuff
    That he did
    It is best in cases like this
    To pretend that
    You are stupid

    He’s got Presidential Help
    All along the way
    He says the grace
    While the lawyers chew
    Oh yeah
    They sure do
    And the Governors agree to say: “He’s a lovely man!”
    He makes it easier for
    Them to screw
    All of you…
    Yes, that’s true!
    ‘Cause he helps put
    The Fear of God
    In the Common Man
    Snatchin’ up money
    Everywhere he can
    Oh yeah Oh yeah
    He’s got twenty million dollars
    In his Heavenly Bank Account
    You ain’t got nothin’, people
    You ain’t got nothin’, people
    You ain’t got nothin’, people
    Thank the man.. .oh yeah

    Comment by predo1 — August 5, 2007 @ 6:19 pm | Reply

  52. “Why Sisyphus? So if you don’t attend church you are automatically evil?”

    Yes.

    “Frank Zappa never advocated it. He sang about. There is a big difference.”

    No there isn’t.

    “And you went to church I’ll assume, and you don’t appear to be sane thus supporting his statement. It’s people like you that made Frank Zappa the person he bacame.”

    I’m the true American here; you and Crank Zappa are not.

    “He saw the intollerence and prejudice that has run rampant if American society throughout history and he did something to raise awareness. You are prejudiced. Your views are akewed by your blind (sxtreme)faith. The bible said Jesus loves all gods children. Who are you to go against what Jesus believed.”

    Jesus loves you, but if you reject Him enough times you still have to burn in Hellfire for all eternity. Read the Bible. Wise up.

    “yeah, error #1 : don’t confuse the message with the messenger.. error #2, what the flub is vegetable lust?!”

    Have you ever heard the song? I thought you were a Zappa fan, here!

    Comment by Sisyphus — August 5, 2007 @ 7:48 pm | Reply

  53. “so your definition of a hero is how many people you have killed? how very christian of you. one man’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter.”

    So, Osama Bin Laden is a freedom fighter to you? Now you know why I say you aren’t real Americans.

    Comment by Sisyphus — August 5, 2007 @ 7:51 pm | Reply

  54. Sorry Emma (#50), while I do realize that I’m obligated to reply to every single comment made (over 15k so far), but I didn’t see anything in what you wrote that I needed to respond to.

    G-d gave me a tongue as well as the wisdom to know when to use it.

    Comment by Psycheout — August 5, 2007 @ 8:14 pm | Reply

  55. And good point, Sisyphus. Can we question their patriotism yet?

    Comment by Psycheout — August 5, 2007 @ 9:10 pm | Reply

  56. “Those Jesus freaks, well they’re friendly but, the stuff they believe has got their minds all shut”

    – Frank Zappa

    [Ed Note: Watch your language!]

    Comment by ZutboF — August 5, 2007 @ 10:45 pm | Reply

  57. “I don’t want to see any religious people in public office because they’re working for another boss”

    – Frank Zappa

    Comment by ZutboF — August 5, 2007 @ 10:49 pm | Reply

  58. Zappa worked for another boss too, Zutbof. His boss’s name was SATAN.

    Comment by Sisyphus — August 6, 2007 @ 6:40 am | Reply

  59. Satan.. God… Jesus…. these are all made up figures, you morons. they don’t exist and never have. wake up and smell the sanctified coffee.

    ”Now you know why I say you aren’t real Americans.”

    i’m not american anyway, presumptuous Jesus freak!
    Patriotism sucks anyway.

    Comment by Jessie Edwardo — August 6, 2007 @ 8:20 am | Reply

  60. “Satan.. God… Jesus…. these are all made up figures, you morons. they don’t exist and never have. wake up and smell the sanctified coffee.”

    I’m pretty sure Frank Zappa and Robert Novak are, or were, real people. I don’t know those other two, but they definitely look real as well.

    “i’m not american anyway, presumptuous Jesus freak!
    Patriotism sucks anyway.”

    He admits it! I knew it!

    Comment by Sisyphus — August 6, 2007 @ 10:33 am | Reply

  61. How do you know I’m a he?

    Always with the presuming. Makes life easier for you I suppose.

    Comment by Jessie Edwardo — August 6, 2007 @ 1:28 pm | Reply

  62. Well, the thing with me is my Dad is a born-again but we still have a strong relationship. I get into theological discussions all the time. Back in late 96′, in my senior year in high school, I was forced to move out of my Dad’s house because he and his new girlfriend(who later became his wife), had different viewpoints than myself on spirituality. I remember vividly him dragging me to this thing at his church called, “Heavens Gates, Hell’s Fire”. This event is designed to brainwash people(mostly children) that the only way, good or bad, to make it to heaven was to give your life to Jesus Christ. They used sick,sad examples like a father/son, both good people, but the father never became christian. So they both die in car accident. They go to the pearly gates and god only let’s the son in. Sick brainwashing bullpoop. At the end of this thing, they are asking all these people to come up and give they’re lives to Christ. My Dad and my family kept looking at me. That was kinda the moment I drew a line in the sand as far as my individuality. I never stepped forward. It disgusted me. It broke my Dad’s heart, but I had to stand up for what I believed in. At this time I’d only heard a little bit of FZ’s music and wasn’t aware of his views on the subject. To this day my Dad tries to convert me, and I try to prove him why blind faith doesn’t make any sense. But he is a true christian and doesn’t bad-mouth and belittle people who don’t believe what he believes.
    He isn’t about lip-service, and I can respect that. He subscribes to the theory that if you don’t agree with someone’s non-christian views, the christian thing to do is… to forgive. Frank Zappa was one the true original thinkers of our time. How dare you bash his name when you know little to nothing about him. A true christian like my father would be ashamed of people like you. Grow up you immature little fascists. Zappa stood for the constitution. Something you people pervert and twist to meet your agenda. Zappa condoned incest?! Are you f’n delusional?!!! What kind of c hristian would say they would burn someone’s already dead body? Is this the middle ages? Are you still waiting for your thumbs, redeneck half-wits?!!

    [Ed Note: No profanity, please. This is a family-friendly website.]

    Comment by J.C.GREASYVII — August 6, 2007 @ 3:19 pm | Reply

  63. I know people like Sisyphus and Psycheout exist, but it really scares me to actually review some of their thoughts.

    There is nothing worse than the holier than thou segment of this country. The ease with which you have passed judgment about that which you have no idea is nothing short of mind-boggling.

    Zappa didn’t “support” incest. He supported free speech in America. The point he was making it that it is not the job of the religious right to decide what is “acceptable” content in music. The crusade to insulate the american public from material deemed “offensive” is ill-conceived, un-American and, if carried out with the assistance of the US Congress, likely unconstitutional. That’s the point.

    So please stop with your hellfire and brimstone rhetoric. If there IS such a place for such commentary, it surely is not in connection with Frank Zappa.

    In short, lighten up.

    Comment by The Black Page — August 6, 2007 @ 4:01 pm | Reply

  64. GO love A SOCK FULL OF RUSTY NAILS!!

    [Ed Note: Profanity is not allowed, you cobag.]

    Comment by jaypfunk — August 6, 2007 @ 4:32 pm | Reply

  65. GO love A SOCK FULL OF RUSTY NAILS!!!

    [Ed Note: Profanity is not allowed, you scum sucking treefrog.]

    Comment by jaypfunk — August 6, 2007 @ 4:32 pm | Reply

  66. GO love A SOCK FULL OF RUSTY NAILS!!!!

    [Ed Note: Profanity is not allowed, you worthless tool.]

    Comment by jaypfunk — August 6, 2007 @ 4:32 pm | Reply

  67. GO love A SOCK FULL OF RUSTY NAILS!!!!!!

    [Ed Note: Profanity is not allowed, you loathesome buboe.]

    Comment by jaypfunk — August 6, 2007 @ 4:33 pm | Reply

  68. GO love A SOCK FULL OF RUSTY NAILS!!!!!!!

    [Ed Note: Profanity is not allowed, you gibbering imbecile. So this is what Zappa fans are like?]

    Comment by jaypfunk — August 6, 2007 @ 4:33 pm | Reply

  69. GO love A SOCK FULL OF RUSTY NAILS!!!!!!!!

    [Ed Note: Profanity is not allowed, you waste of skin. Are you 12? Get a life.]

    Comment by jaypfunk — August 6, 2007 @ 4:33 pm | Reply

  70. Can I get an ” Amen ” and a loud ” Say Jalopeno ” on what J.C. & Black Page just said ????

    Comment by Pedro1 — August 6, 2007 @ 4:41 pm | Reply

  71. I think anyone who critisizes someone like Frank Zappa is ignorant. At least this guy supported the protection of our Constitution unlike chumps like Brownback who supports illegal wiretapping and a failed war in Iraq.

    Comment by Spacebrother — August 6, 2007 @ 6:32 pm | Reply

  72. Anyone who supports Brownback should be ashamed of themselves. Anyone who calls themselves Christains and supports war is a charlatan and is doing a disservice to people of faith. Wake up and observe reality. Otherwise you’ll turn America into a fascist theocracy like Iran, Afganistan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Pakistan ect….

    Don’t be fooled by this phoney or his supporters.

    Comment by Spacebrother — August 6, 2007 @ 6:39 pm | Reply

  73. Thanks for sharing, jaypfunk. I’m going to let your comments stand. They help demonstrate how “enlightened” Zappa fans and the other members of the “reality-based” community are.

    “So please stop with your hellfire and brimstone rhetoric. If there IS such a place for such commentary, it surely is not in connection with Frank Zappa.”

    Zappa hated God in spite of God’s infinite love for him. Now he’s paying the price for his stiff-necked defiance of the Order in the Universe.

    “At least this guy supported the protection of our Constitution unlike chumps like Brownback who supports illegal wiretapping and a failed war in Iraq.”

    The Constitution is not a suicide pact, and those who push a loaded gun into America’s hands are not its defenders. Frank Zappa hated America almost as much as he hated Jesus.

    “Anyone who supports Brownback should be ashamed of themselves.”

    Anyone who doesn’t support Brownback is ignorant at best, traitorous at worst.

    Comment by Sisyphus — August 6, 2007 @ 7:03 pm | Reply

  74. Watching those old fogies try and discredit Frank was hilarious. Mr Zappa conducted himself very well while under the barrage of gibbersish.

    You religious zealots take everything out of context. Go back and actually LISTEN to Frank’s message. It is NOT what you say it is.

    I’d say the final score was FZ 9, old farts 1.

    Comment by zombie1210 — August 6, 2007 @ 7:20 pm | Reply

  75. Watching those old fogies try and discredit Frank was hilarious. Mr Zappa conducted himself very well while under the barrage of gibbersish. ”

    Mr. Zappa was “beaten down.” He was so out-argued, it probably made him begin to seriously wish he had never been born.

    Were you even watching the same clip as the rest of us, zombie? Click on he “play” cursor in the middle of the Youtube video if you want to see the one we were watching.

    Comment by Sisyphus — August 6, 2007 @ 7:27 pm | Reply

  76. Dumb All Over by Frank Zappa

    Whoever we are
    Wherever were from
    We shoulda noticed by now
    Our behavior is dumb
    And if our chances
    Expect to improve
    Its gonna take a lot more
    Than tryin to remove
    The other race
    Or the other whatever
    From the face
    Of the planet altogether

    They call it the earth
    Which is a dumb kinda name
    But they named it right
    cause we behave the same…
    We are dumb all over
    Dumb all over,
    Yes we are
    Dumb all over,
    Near n far
    Dumb all over,
    Black n white
    People, we is not wrapped tight

    Nurds on the left
    Nurds on the right
    Religous fanatics
    On the air every night
    Sayin the bible
    Tells the story
    Makes the details
    Sound real gory
    bout what to do
    If the geeks over there
    Dont believe in the book
    We got over here

    You cant run a race
    Without no feet
    n pretty soon
    There wont be no street
    For dummies to jog on
    Or doggies to dog on
    Religous fanatics
    Can make it be all gone
    (I mean it wont blow up
    n disappear
    Itll just look ugly
    For a thousand years…)

    You cant run a country
    By a book of religion
    Not by a heap
    Or a lump or a smidgeon
    Of foolish rules
    Of ancient date
    Designed to make
    You all feel great
    While you fold, spindle
    And mutilate
    Those unbelievers
    From a neighboring state

    To arms! to arms!
    Hooray! thats great
    Two legs aint bad
    Unless theres a crate
    They ship the parts
    To mama in
    For souvenirs: two ears (get down!)
    Not his, not hers, (but what the hey? )
    The good book says:
    (it gotta be that way!)
    But their book says:
    Revenge the crusades…
    With whips n chains
    n hand grenades…
    Two arms? two arms?
    Have another and another
    Our God says:
    There aint no other!
    Our God says
    Its all okay!
    Our God says
    This is the way!

    It says in the book:
    Burn n destroy…
    n repent, n redeem
    n revenge, n deploy
    n rumble thee forth
    To the land of the unbelieving scum on the other side
    cause they dont go for whats in the book
    n that makes em bad
    So verily we must choppeth them up
    And stompeth them down
    Or rent a nice french bomb
    To poof them out of existance
    While leaving their real estate just where we need it
    To use again
    For temples in which to praise our god
    (cause he can really take care of business!)

    And when his humble tv servant
    With humble white hair
    And humble glasses
    And a nice brown suit
    And maybe a blond wife who takes phone calls
    Tells us our God says
    Its okay to do this stuff
    Then we gotta do it,
    cause if we dont do it,
    We aint gwine up to hebbin!
    (depending on which book youre using at the
    Time…cant use theirs… it dont work
    …its all lies…gotta use mine…)
    Aint that right?
    Thats what they say
    Every night…
    Every day…
    Hey, we cant really be dumb
    If were just following gods orders
    Hey, lets get serious…
    God knows what hes doin
    He wrote this book here
    An the book says:
    He made us all to be just like him,
    So…
    If were dumb…
    Then God is dumb…
    (an maybe even a little ugly on the side)

    [Ed Note: In the future, why not just post an excerpt and link to the rest? Commenters are more interesting when they use their own words rather than copying somebody else’s. This is a political blog, not a lyric site.]

    Comment by zombie1210 — August 6, 2007 @ 7:32 pm | Reply

  77. Those commentators would not let him speak, without interrupting him.

    They were dumb all over.

    I find it funny how hiding behind God allow people to take everything anyone else says, and turn it into EVIL.

    God would not like such twisting of his philosophies.

    As Ghandi said, “I like Christ. I don’t like Chritians.”

    Comment by zombie1210 — August 6, 2007 @ 7:35 pm | Reply

  78. “The Constitution is not a suicide pact, and those who push a loaded gun into America’s hands are not its defenders. Frank Zappa hated America almost as much as he hated Jesus.”

    Ironic coming from someone who’ll gladly drink the Koolade and denigrate the principles set up by our founding fathers. Brownback supporting Conservatives sound like Commies. No wonder they got creamed in the last election. America disagrees with your views. You folks belong in Communist China or with Bin Laden in Pakistan. You hate America and take the Lords name in vane by calling yourselves Christains and supporting war.

    “Anyone who doesn’t support Brownback is ignorant at best, traitorous at worst.”

    Ironic coming from a supporter of a guy who not only supports protecting treasonous people like Cheney and Scooter Libby but also protected a convicted pedophile like Mark Foley.

    Support Ron Paul. He’s the only Republican candidate who gets it.

    Comment by spacebrother — August 6, 2007 @ 7:43 pm | Reply

  79. “[Ed Note: In the future, why not just post an excerpt and link to the rest? Commenters are more interesting when they use their own words rather than copying somebody else’s. This is a political blog, not a lyric site.]”

    Typical. You are an idiot. That song is a HUGE political commentary.

    You must read it in its entirety to get it.

    Why post a link? That’s dumb.

    Comment by zombie1210 — August 6, 2007 @ 8:39 pm | Reply

  80. Gandhi is burning in Hell too, now, zombie.

    Comment by Sisyphus — August 7, 2007 @ 5:54 am | Reply

  81. This forum will burn in hell for being so judgemental.

    Your self righteousness and pompousness are only outweighed by your foolishness.

    So, does this person you are supporting share your views?

    If he does, he’s a real idiot.

    Comment by zombie1210 — August 7, 2007 @ 6:58 am | Reply

  82. “This forum will burn in hell for being so judgemental.”

    Oh, sorry, I didn’t realize you were God. So, are You trying to tell us that what You wrote in the Bible is untrue? (/snark)

    “Your self righteousness and pompousness are only outweighed by your foolishness.”

    I don’t like you either, Hellbound.

    “So, does this person you are supporting share your views?”

    Of course. Be sure to vote for him. Vote for him now, or repent it every day of eternity in Perdition later.

    Comment by Sisyphus — August 7, 2007 @ 9:39 am | Reply

  83. Hey there, I’m another Zappa fan coming to spoil your party. A few comments:

    1) Linking Zappa with supporting incest is just so far off the mark. Certainly that video doesn’t support that view. Of all the things to take issue with Zappa about, you could have found something a little more substantial than that. I acknowledge that people of your upbringing may have plenty to quibble about in the Zappa legacy – hey, he made a lot of people uncomfortable, but that’s part of what makes him special. Playing devil’s advocate (oops.. can I say that here?), one could potentially misinterpret some lyrics from the Absolutely Free album (as mentioned at the top of this blog) as supporting incest. But the ironic thing is, Zappa was actually pointing the finger at the straight society (like you guys for example) for the repressed “sinful” desires lurking below the surface. Believe me, you guys are not ALL saints…

    2) I noticed “psycheout” purposely avoids spelling out the word G-d. That’s adorable! Don’t want to wake the Big Guy up now, do we?

    Comment by feetlightup — August 7, 2007 @ 10:38 am | Reply

  84. If Zappa’s in hell, I wonder what he said to Jerry Falwell when he showed up.

    Comment by Saint Isidore — August 7, 2007 @ 11:26 am | Reply

  85. “I acknowledge that people of your upbringing may have plenty to quibble about in the Zappa legacy – hey, he made a lot of people uncomfortable, but that’s part of what makes him special.”

    And he’s paying for it now, alongside Gandhi and all the rest of the disbelievers.

    “Believe me, you guys are not ALL saints…”

    I am confident that my sins are far less mortal than yours, fornicator.

    Comment by Sisyphus — August 7, 2007 @ 12:43 pm | Reply

  86. LOL for days….these guys are hillarious. ‘Fornicator’, ‘hellbound’……lol.

    I think they’re serious about it too! Prayse Jay-sus….for even the stupid Brownholes have merit in the eyes of their stupid god.

    Browncrack: thanks for the laffs. I showed the guys at work, and they thought it was funny as hell. I guess you weren’t really aiming for comic relief with your site, but hey, better luck next time.

    Comment by Tom — August 7, 2007 @ 1:56 pm | Reply

  87. Sisyphus and Psycheout MUST be turning off any curious people they meet with their Holy Shtick. Of course, LET the intimidated scurry into your clique – THEY DESERVE IT.

    Comment by Miguel — August 7, 2007 @ 2:57 pm | Reply

  88. If anyone religious or non-religious actually objectively watched and listened to that Crossfire segment they would realize that everything that Mr. Zappa says comes from a articulate, thoughtful right thinking human being. Period. If you disagree your blind faith and brain-washed mind have made you delusional. Fascist theocracy becomes more and more of a reality everyday. That is nothing to be proud of. We got a serious problem in this country and it isn’t people like FZ. Puritanical crusading should be left in less civilized times. We should be thinking about space travel and progression, not playing brain police on our own people.

    IF A PERSON IS EDUCATED,THINKING HUMAN BEING, NOTHING THAT ANYONE CAN SAY WILL SWAY THAT PERSON’S MIND. EXCEPT THEMSELVES.

    Comment by J.C.GREASYVII — August 7, 2007 @ 3:20 pm | Reply

  89. Somebody I won;t embarrass by naming wrote:

    “Anyone who doubts his depravity has to defend the lyrics to the album “Absolutely Free,” in which he advocates child molestation and vegetable lust.”

    I have two wordS you desperately need to look up:
    1) Satire and
    2) irony.

    Comment by The voice of sanity — August 7, 2007 @ 3:46 pm | Reply

  90. Syphysus is way over the deep end. He is blinded to the real world. It is HE WHO JUDGES ALL OTHERS, who will be roasting his ass in hell.

    Remember JUDGE NOT< LEST YE SHALL BE JUDGED?

    Nah…you forgot that part because your agenda gets in the way.

    Fool.

    Comment by zombie1210 — August 7, 2007 @ 4:55 pm | Reply

  91. “Zappa hated God in spite of God’s infinite love for him. Now he’s paying the price for his stiff-necked defiance of the Order in the Universe.”

    Frank Zappa did not “hate” God. Frank Zappa hated people like you who preach about God to others in a blindly, myopic manner. Telling everyone who doesn’t go to church on Sunday that they are going to hell is absurd.

    In reading some of these posts I had to stop and wonder if they were meant to be a joke. I just can’t imagine some of these comments I’ve read from Sisyphus are meant to be taken seriously. I will say, however, that if you are serious, then you are ill Sisyphus. Moreover, if the God you believe in exists, then the attitude you portray in his name does his a grave disservice.

    Go see a therapist. You are not well.

    Comment by The Black Page — August 7, 2007 @ 4:56 pm | Reply

  92. “Of course. Be sure to vote for him. Vote for him now, or repent it every day of eternity in Perdition later.”

    I guess your candidate IS Jesus Christ, after all.

    People that share your closed view of the real world can never be elected in this country. It won’t happen.

    You are as much a FANATIC as the Muslim FANATICS are. Different religion, same line of crap.

    Comment by zombie1210 — August 7, 2007 @ 4:58 pm | Reply

  93. What if Brownie gets in the white house,
    And suddenly —
    The rights of certain people disappear
    Mysteriously?

    Now, wouldnt that sort of qualify
    As an american tragedy?
    (especially if he covers it up, sayin
    jesus told it to me!)

    I hope we never see that day,
    In the land of the free —
    Or someday will we?
    Will we?

    And if you dont know by now,
    The truth of what Im tellin you,
    Then, surely I have failed somehow —

    And jesus will think Im a jerk, just like you —
    If you let those tv preachers
    Make a monkey out of you!

    I said:
    jesus will think youre a jerk
    And it would be true!

    Theres an old rugged cross
    In the land of cotton —
    Its still burnin on somebodys lawn
    And it still smells rotten

    Comment by zombie1210 — August 7, 2007 @ 7:28 pm | Reply

  94. Zappa worked for another boss too, Zutbof. His boss’s name was SATAN.

    Brownback works for another boss as well Sisyphus. His name is money (better known as greed and corruption). Money IS the root of ALL evil.

    Going after entertainers like Frank Zappa and Jerry Garcia are merely diversionary tactics to avoid taking responsibility for a failed Iraq policy, cover-ups for pedophiles like Mark Foley, cover-ups for indiscretions through the DC Madam, treason by members of the executive branch, failure to maintain our infrastructure (New Orleans, bridge in Minnesota ect ect.) and the culture of corruption that the Republican party has become. It is’nt the party of Lincoln anymore.

    Many if not most Zappa fans are conservatives who are’nt you’re typical music fans but much more intellectual than you would expect.

    As far as patriotism goes I have a question for Psycheout, Sisyphus, Adam Nelson, Helen Bock, Bob Baffet and Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crocket…….

    Who of you currently serves in the military?

    Anyone of you who answer no are nothing more than Armchair Patriots while others make sacrifices for your comforts. Only when you’ve served your country in the military yourself can you truly claim to be a true patriot.

    Comment by spacebrother — August 7, 2007 @ 8:47 pm | Reply

  95. I think we should dig zappa corpse up and piss on it!

    [Ed Note: You first!]

    Comment by wanker — August 7, 2007 @ 11:20 pm | Reply

  96. Why the heck are you concentrating on a guy thats been dead for 13 years when you are supposedly trying to get some one elected.

    Where the heck is your focus and priorities retard!?!??

    [Ed Note: Watch that potty mouth, wanker. This is a family friendly site. Of the 450 well-researched and objective articles on this site, only one is about deadie Frank Zappa. So take a chill pill, d00d.]

    Comment by wanker — August 7, 2007 @ 11:25 pm | Reply

  97. “Why the heck are you concentrating on a guy thats been dead for 13 years when you are supposedly trying to get some one elected.”

    Because the legacy of his depravity haunts us to this day. Brownback is going to restore decency to America, and wash away the taint of this national moral disgrace.

    Comment by Sisyphus — August 8, 2007 @ 6:13 am | Reply

  98. Me: “Believe me, you guys are not ALL saints…”

    Sisyphus: “I am confident that my sins are far less mortal than yours, fornicator.”

    Well obviously. It’s clear to all 97 respondents so far on this blog that you’re a saint. It’s too bad you’re a dying breed… And how did you know I was a fornicator? I thought only my wife knew.

    Comment by feetlightup — August 8, 2007 @ 10:51 am | Reply

  99. “Because the legacy of his depravity haunts us to this day. Brownback is going to restore decency to America, and wash away the taint of this national moral disgrace.”

    If you are haunted by Frank Zappa’s legacy, might I recommend Ghostbusters?

    Comment by The Black Page — August 8, 2007 @ 11:25 am | Reply

  100. If you are haunted by Frank Zappa’s legacy, might I recommend Ghostbusters?”

    That was a movie. This is real life. Please note the difference.

    Comment by Sisyphus — August 8, 2007 @ 12:06 pm | Reply

  101. Seeing as how you guys conveniently avoided my question I’ll mask again……

    As far as patriotism goes I have a question for Psycheout, Sisyphus, Adam Nelson, Helen Bock, Bob Baffet and Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crocket…….

    Who of you currently serves in the military?

    Comment by Spacebrother — August 8, 2007 @ 1:43 pm | Reply

  102. “If you are haunted by Frank Zappa’s legacy, might I recommend Ghostbusters?”

    That was a movie. This is real life. Please note the difference.”

    You are right, this is real life. Might I then recommend that you get one?

    Comment by The Black Page — August 8, 2007 @ 2:31 pm | Reply

  103. There is nothing worse that a religious zealot with a political agenda.

    Remember SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE?

    Remember where that comes from?

    Not from SATAN, that’s for sure.

    Comment by zombie1210 — August 8, 2007 @ 4:42 pm | Reply

  104. “You are right, this is real life. Might I then recommend that you get one?”

    Christianity is the only life worthy of the name, you Zappafarian fornicating incesticator.

    Comment by Sisyphus — August 9, 2007 @ 7:25 am | Reply

  105. Syphillis,

    You are the type of Chritian who gives all Chrisitans a bad name.

    You are:

    Ignorant.

    Uninformed.

    Judgemental.

    Illogical.

    Hypocritical.

    And just plain dumb.

    Your candidate stands no chance of getting elected.

    Give it up. America is not ready for mind control.

    Comment by zombie1210 — August 9, 2007 @ 6:51 pm | Reply

  106. You are the type of Chritian who gives all Chrisitans a bad name.

    Ahnd yew cant spel.

    Comment by Psycheout — August 9, 2007 @ 8:12 pm | Reply

  107. You people say you practice a religion that is open-minded and loving. I’m not making any attacks upon Christians (nor would I make any attacks on any religion), in fact, I am an Episcopalian, but all the postings I’ve read on this blog by Sisyphus and others have been controlling, vindictive, and hypocritical. Now, listen, jerk off. We’ve already established that Zappa did not support incest. You have no facts, you have no evidence. That argument should have been over a long time ago. If you can’t think of a new one, you have no place to be debating at all. You already have lost any debatable esteem you might have had by being bull-headed and saying the same thing over and over again. Also: no one makes you listen to Frank Zappa. If you don’t like his music, you don’t have to listen to it. This country was founded on reasonably simple rules, one of which is freedom of speech. He has the right to say whatever he wants to, and so do you, but you don’t have to repeat your falty arguments thirty times thinking it’ll eventually drown out ours.

    Specifically directed at Sisyphus – you are a blatant hypocrit who has no sense of logic, but then we can’t blame you if you have a close-minded view of life. It’ll all be worth it when you get to heaven and Jesus laughs in your face.

    P.S. – “A mind is like a parachute. It doesn’t work unless it’s open.” –Frank Zappa

    Comment by neutronnate — August 9, 2007 @ 10:34 pm | Reply

  108. Look, I understand how some of you feel. Misunderstanding breeds hate. Zappa was open with his opinions, and people who don’t like them find it easy to attack such a man. I find myself doing the same at times to others. But you have to realize that what you’re doing goes against what you preach – what the Bible preaches. You speak as if you know what you’re talking about, but all I’m hearing is judgement, Perdition, and crap from the Book of Revelations. Jesus preached many messages, but the two most important ones (that apply in this case) were open-mindedness and love for the rest of humanity. While I see that you could easily say, “Frank Zappa had no love for the rest of humantiy; he was a cynic and a satirist who bluntly stated his opinions in an insulting manner,” I have to admit that Zappa was no saint either. But it was open-mindedness that allowed Christianity to flourish and spread in the first place. There wasn’t a massive revelation where everyone realized that Christianity was better than what they were doing (not saying it was or is) after which everyone became a Christian – it took hundreds of years for it to be spread across Western Europe alone. You cannot attack someone just because of their beliefs or opinons; don’t you see that that was just what the crusades or the inquisition did? Surely you can’t argue that those were good things.

    Comment by neutronnate — August 9, 2007 @ 10:50 pm | Reply

  109. Behold, the first prophet of Zappianity.

    Comment by Psycheout — August 9, 2007 @ 11:04 pm | Reply

  110. Very funny. A great rebuttal. And it only took you fourteen minutes to come up with and type that.

    Comment by neutronnate — August 9, 2007 @ 11:08 pm | Reply

  111. Oh, and you can stop with the “anti-American” bullpoop. Really. I do have pride in my country, and so did Zappa. He was a satirist, not a terrorist.

    [Ed Note: Please watch your language. This is a family friendly website.]

    Comment by neutronnate — August 9, 2007 @ 11:10 pm | Reply

  112. “Behold, the first prophet of Zappianity.” -Psycheout

    That’s all you have?!

    This ideology is busted. You took a Christian formula, through some hatred and intimidation methods into the mix, and came up with something that could scare straight a few suckers, but this recipe REEKS, and it just so happens that these guests can identify the stench. It doesn’t matter whether you can face it or not, Psycheout and Sisyphus – this is the REAL end of the topic’s story.

    Comment by Miguel — August 10, 2007 @ 12:11 am | Reply

  113. Seriously. Anyway, do you guys have a rebuttal for that point a minute ago? Because psycheout just kind of wussed out there and didn’t give an argument.

    [Ed Note: The B4B Team does not monitor Zappa related threads 24/7. Sorry to disappoint you.]

    Comment by neutronnate — August 10, 2007 @ 12:40 am | Reply

  114. “Also: no one makes you listen to Frank Zappa. If you don’t like his music, you don’t have to listen to it. This country was founded on reasonably simple rules, one of which is freedom of speech. He has the right to say whatever he wants to, and so do you, but you don’t have to repeat your falty arguments thirty times thinking it’ll eventually drown out ours.”

    The maniac sinners who go around rampaging, killing, and stealing DO listen to this kind of filth, however. It’s where they get the idea. This is one of the reasons why we regulate (or ought to, anyway) un-Christian ideas.

    “Specifically directed at Sisyphus – you are a blatant hypocrit who has no sense of logic, but then we can’t blame you if you have a close-minded view of life. It’ll all be worth it when you get to heaven and Jesus laughs in your face.”

    Thank you for the ad hominems and pseudo-religious delusions! Satan will likely find your soul especially comely, sinner!

    “Oh, and you can stop with the “anti-American” bullpoop. Really. I do have pride in my country, and so did Zappa. He was a satirist, not a terrorist.”

    Anyone who favors incest is no better than Osama Bin Laden.

    “This ideology is busted. You took a Christian formula, through some hatred and intimidation methods into the mix, and came up with something that could scare straight a few suckers, but this recipe REEKS, and it just so happens that these guests can identify the stench. It doesn’t matter whether you can face it or not, Psycheout and Sisyphus – this is the REAL end of the topic’s story.”

    This language sounds like English, but it isn’t. Could you try again, please?

    Comment by Sisyphus — August 10, 2007 @ 5:22 am | Reply

  115. First of all, can we try to have a civilized debate, here? I know that earlier I said some things that attacked you guys personally. I’m sorry. Look, that isn’t getting us anywhere in this argument. We’re just clashing ideologies, and when that doesn’t work we resort to name-calling. I’m not just talking about the people on your side, so you can’t get me there.
    Anyway, here are my rebuttals:
    “The maniac sinners who go around rampaging, killing, and stealing DO listen to this kind of filth, however. It’s where they get the idea.”
    If this is where your anger at Zappa lies, you need to listen. Do you have any evidence or backing? Have you taken any polls in which you found that some high percentage of looters, rapists, or murderers have listened to Frank Zappa? I can understand why people might see a connection and think it necessary to monitor such ideas, but no connection is really present.
    “Satan will likely find your soul especially comely, sinner!”
    Listen, I apologize for the comment that rebuttal was to. Neither of those can get us anywhere. If anything, that’s just reinforcing the other side’s views. So please don’t call us sinners or try to impose you guy’s beliefs.
    “Anyone who favors incest is no better than Osama Bin Laden.”
    Zappa didn’t support incest, as we’ve already made clear. PLEASE DON’T TRY TO AVOID A REBUTTAL TO THIS ONE. I want you to give me some facts in which it is made clear that Zappa was a supporter of incest. Don’t use the video, because that is cropped and doesn’t represent his full view. If you’ll notice, he never once said, “I support incest.” He used it as a parallel.
    “This language sounds like English, but it isn’t. Could you try again, please?”
    Try to come up with a rebuttal. When you avoid a point, it sends a bad message. If you couldn’t deal with that, I will “try again:”
    What you talk about goes openly against the teachings of Jesus Christ, who you talk about in reverance on here on several occasions. You talk about how others have been looting and killing with disgust, but then you talk about digging up people’s bodies and burning them. Also, I’ve been reading several other blogs in which you attack homosexuals and other people with different idealogies. People say disturbing things like my only regret is that they didn’t shoot a few of them. Think of the Good Samaritan. Remember the Sermon on the Mount! According to Christ, we were supposed to love everyone, including people we don’t agree with. Also, you try to indimidate us and your other opponents with things like, “You’re going to burn in hell,” or, my favorite, “Satan will find your soul especially comely.”

    Comment by neutronnate — August 10, 2007 @ 9:49 am | Reply

  116. “Listen, I apologize for the comment that rebuttal was to. Neither of those can get us anywhere. If anything, that’s just reinforcing the other side’s views. So please don’t call us sinners or try to impose you guy’s beliefs.”

    I appreciate what you’re trying to do here. Unfortunately, I’m not trying to impose my beliefs, merely express them. Those views state quite clearly that those not agreeing with me will face Hellfire. How can I discuss a religious issue without bringing up this particular point?

    “Zappa didn’t support incest, as we’ve already made clear. PLEASE DON’T TRY TO AVOID A REBUTTAL TO THIS ONE. I want you to give me some facts in which it is made clear that Zappa was a supporter of incest. Don’t use the video, because that is cropped and doesn’t represent his full view. If you’ll notice, he never once said, “I support incest.” He used it as a parallel.”

    There’s a song on “Absolutely Free” called “Brown Shoes Don’t Make It.” That song explicitly endorsed incest.

    One could also make a case that some of the songs in “Joe’s Garage” explicitly embrace homosexual views, as well as fornication and sodomy.

    I could go on, but I think those two albums make my point well enough. The less said about “Sheikh Yerbouti,” the better.

    Comment by Sisyphus — August 10, 2007 @ 11:59 am | Reply

  117. Okay, fair enough. You can express your views if you’d like, but saying that those who don’t agree with you will burn in Hellfire smothers the views of other people.
    I know the song “Brown Shoes Don’t Make It.” Absolutely Free is one of my favorite albums by Frank. “Brown Shoes Don’t Make It” is about the people who run the government. It’s entirely satirical. These people, according to Zappa, make laws that keep people in line, but do not realize the fact that the restrictions that they place are hypocritical and only intensify sexual frustration in the younger (or older) generations. The fact that the mayor is having sex with a thirteen year old girl while his wife is out doesn’t advocate pedophelia, it mocks the mayor and satirizes the blatant hypocrosy in our government. The part that could be called incest merely serves to reinforce the satire on the other end. In the interview, he clearly states that he has no interest in incest. Listen to his explanation of why people write about incest. Acknowledging something exists and advocating it are two totally different things. Not everything in life is pretty, and writing solely about what is nice and comely is to ignore most of life itself. To supress such ideas or depictions is fascism.
    Ultimately, what this all comes down to is supression of ideas. I know the comparison I’m about to make is probably going to make a lot of people angry, but just think about it: How would you feel if Christianity were supressed? If all the Christians in the world were forced to hide what they believe and convert to another religion? If suddenly the government of the United States or any hypothetical country decided they wanted to erase all documentation of Christianity, all Christian identities, or anything pertaining or relating to Christianity as a whole? I should imagine it would make you guys really angry. It would make non-Christians very angry as well. So you might dismiss this as asinine: such a thing could never happen, right? Of course not. It’ strictly hypothetical. But if you supress one thing in favor of another, where does that stop? Supressing certain ideas based on a moral code that is derived from a certain religion is fascist theocracy. If you look at societies in which fascist theocracies have been set up, there is something in common in all of them: their suppression of ideas and theories eventually lead to their downfall. In fact, many of you openly say you are against Islam, Hinduism, and other Eastern religions. You claim to be enemies of Islamofascism, but then say that it is okay to be Christian fascists.

    Comment by neutronnate — August 10, 2007 @ 2:12 pm | Reply

  118. I don’t know why I’m bothering, but I’d like to address the following:

    “There’s a song on “Absolutely Free” called “Brown Shoes Don’t Make It.” That song explicitly endorsed incest.” – Sisyphus

    OK, taken out of context, the words “smother my daughter in chocolate syrup” are pretty shocking. But BEFORE that, it goes, “A world of secret hungers / Perverting THE MEN WHO MAKE YOUR LAWS / Every desire is hidden away….”

    See, THAT’S who’s doing the chocolate syrup thing. He ACKNOWLEDGES that it’s perverted, and DOES NOT endorse what these hypothetical law-makers are doing. So he deals with it lyrically in a way that will GET YOUR ATTENTION so you might say, “Hmm… I wonder if any of my Senators are doing the same thing…?”

    No more comments from me. I’ve said my piece. Best of luck in the election.

    Comment by feetlightup — August 10, 2007 @ 2:26 pm | Reply

  119. “This language sounds like English, but it isn’t. Could you try again, please?”

    Your linguistic impairments don’t help you. Sure, I’ll give it another go.

    I believe this topic was created merely to enforce a brainwashed followings’ twisted religion. You fail to reach me, and I’m glad. People NEED NOT BE AGAINST religion to realize this is a ruse. (LAST POST)

    Comment by Miguel — August 10, 2007 @ 2:38 pm | Reply

  120. Syphhilis is a zealot.

    Over the top.

    Off the deep end.

    He KNOWS who shall go the hell?

    He sits in judgement of us all. HE is the BIG SINNER.

    Comment by zombie1210 — August 10, 2007 @ 5:48 pm | Reply

  121. neutronnate hit the nail on the head.

    I also noticed that not only were my questions never answered but there is no logical rebuttal.

    Where is the evidence that rapists, murderers, terrorists, pedophiles, people who have had incest were influenced by Zappa’s music? Anything? Any evidence or proof? Links? Surveys? Documentation?

    Comment by spacebrother — August 11, 2007 @ 4:06 am | Reply

  122. Frank Zappa wrote on taboo topics, because he had the courage to show the stupidity of human being.
    He did what he wanted, without been a sheep. The majority of people are not enough strong to think by themself, they need leaders. Zappa taught us to think by ourself and be free in our mind. The present world is not ready to be free, it need a couple other lessons. Zappa’s music built free men. That’s why Zappa rarely play on radio, because the government do not want free men, they want little hypnotized sheep. Zappa’s music is underground and grow slowly and one day, maybe in 100 years, it will be one of the most popular.

    Sorry for my poor english, it is not my language.

    Comment by ZutboF — August 12, 2007 @ 1:31 am | Reply

  123. Frank Zappa wrote on taboo topics, because he had the courage to show the stupidity of human being.

    So he wrote about you, ZutboF?

    Zappa’s music built free men.

    You’re making me sick now. Are you pleasuring yourself as you type?

    Sorry for my poor english, it is not my language.

    Your English is great. It’s your ideas that are repugnant.

    Comment by Psycheout — August 12, 2007 @ 1:53 am | Reply

  124. So he wrote about you, ZutboF?

    Yes he did and i am proud to be normal.

    You’re making me sick now. Are you pleasuring yourself as you type?

    Yeah i had an orgasm when i typed.

    Your English is great. It’s your ideas that are repugnant.

    Thanks i didn’t learned it at church. what is repugnant in my ideas?

    Comment by ZutboF — August 12, 2007 @ 5:06 pm | Reply

  125. Zutbof I agree with you. Frank Zappa wrote music about topics that others would not touch. He did this to bring about awareness in an otherwise apathetic world. The fact this is being discussed right now means he accomplished this task. The people who post on this blog use blind hate and igorance to try spread their message. I do not take offence to their comments but I try to understand their point of view. Everyone has an opinion and I enjoy the freedom to express mine.

    Psycheout sorry the mans comments make you sick. Maybe you can pray for a cure.

    God bless.

    Comment by thebomb — August 12, 2007 @ 5:19 pm | Reply

  126. Well, I wasn’t entirely sure what to say about this, but then I noticed what it’s been filed under.

    “Filed under: Perverts, Democratic Idiocy, Controlling Birth Control, Weirdos and Hippies, Idiocy”

    Only one thing comes to mind… LOL wut?

    Comment by Chapekaloco — August 13, 2007 @ 7:22 pm | Reply

  127. Didn’t Jerry Lee Lewis marry his 13 year old cousin?

    Comment by Ann O'Maly — August 14, 2007 @ 12:51 pm | Reply

  128. Chuck Berry liked ’em young…

    Comment by zombie1210 — August 15, 2007 @ 5:00 pm | Reply

  129. Hooeeee,

    Sorry I been away….I had to go f*** Syphiluss’ mother up the a** a few times. Ahhh, and it was gooood. She took her teeth out for me as well. Mmmmm. lol.

    Just had a read of the posts….yep, nothing new really. Brownback weirdos are atill wrong and still going to hell, everyone else doing just fine.

    [Ed Note: Try to resist using lurid and profane sexual imagery, please.]

    Comment by Tom — August 15, 2007 @ 9:06 pm | Reply

  130. OK I’ll try.

    Fornicationwit.

    Ooops, sorry, have to try harder.

    LOL.

    [Ed Note: Much harder.]

    Comment by Tom — August 15, 2007 @ 10:02 pm | Reply

  131. “You claim to be enemies of Islamofascism, but then say that it is okay to be Christian fascists.”

    As Barry Goldwater once said, “Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice.” The same concept applies to the defense of Christianity.

    “Where is the evidence that rapists, murderers, terrorists, pedophiles, people who have had incest were influenced by Zappa’s music? Anything? Any evidence or proof? Links? Surveys? Documentation?”

    The last 40 years of anti-American counterculture ringing a bell?

    Comment by Sisyphus — August 17, 2007 @ 8:39 pm | Reply

  132. The last 40 years of anti-American counterculture ringing a bell?

    Ding-ding-ding! We have a winner!

    Comment by Psycheout — August 17, 2007 @ 8:55 pm | Reply

  133. “The last 40 years of anti-American counterculture ringing a bell?”
    That has nothing to do with it! What, you seriously think that rapists, murderers, pedophiles, or commiters of incest do it because they hate America? And you think that they did it solely because FZ influenced them to do so? And the fact that you are using Goldwater as an example to try and prove your point is just sad. He lost the 1964 election to Johnson in a landslide. He was a reactionary who crusaded against the federal government. While I can see why you may like him for basically paving the road for younger conservatives, Goldwater was only an active leader of conservatives for one year or so. People who had supported him mainly started rallying behind Reagan. In fact, by the 1980s, the increasing influence of the Christian Right on the Republican Party so conflicted with Goldwater’s libertarian views that he became a vocal opponent of the religious right on issues such as abortion and gay rights. He became the exact opposite of what you claim to be! He was libertarian and said that religion SHOULD NOT have power or influence over those controversial subjects. How can you then use him as a possible argument?

    Comment by neutronnate — August 19, 2007 @ 12:25 pm | Reply

  134. Because he is an idiot.

    Comment by zombie1210 — August 19, 2007 @ 5:42 pm | Reply

  135. “Where is the evidence that rapists, murderers, terrorists, pedophiles, people who have had incest were influenced by Zappa’s music? Anything? Any evidence or proof? Links? Surveys? Documentation?”

    The last 40 years of anti-American counterculture ringing a bell?

    Comment by Sisyphus — August 17, 2007 @ 8:39 pm

    You failed to answer the question. When conservative extremeists have no logical answers they resort to the typical J Edgar Hoover type rhetoric (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover ) that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject. Rape, incest pedophilia, murder and terrorism have been around long before Zappa’s (and Christ’s) time and the perpetrators are almost always conservative extremist religious fanatics. Has nothing to do with counter-culture are Americanisms of any sort.

    The bells that are ringing are Hells bells which are the welcoming rings for all the charlatans who claim to be Christain but support warfare.

    Comment by spacebrother — August 19, 2007 @ 11:37 pm | Reply

  136. Give it up, spacebro. Smoke some dope and shoot some extasy but leave us sane Americans alone. OK, thanks, bye!

    Comment by Psycheout — August 19, 2007 @ 11:56 pm | Reply

  137. Frank Zappa is not dead!! – ZutboF

    Comment by ZutboF — August 20, 2007 @ 1:42 am | Reply

  138. Give it up, spacebro. Smoke some dope and shoot some extasy but leave us sane Americans alone. OK, thanks, bye!

    Comment by Psycheout — August 19, 2007 @ 11:56 pm

    Nice try but you still refuse to answer the question so I’ll ask again.

    Where is the evidence that rapists, murderers, terrorists, pedophiles, people who have had incest were influenced by Zappa’s music? Anything? Any evidence or proof? Links? Surveys? Documentation?

    and also……
    1. I don’t use drugs. Never have, never will.
    2. You so-called sane American/charlatans are the cause and not solution of the problems in our culture.
    3. Frank Zappa was never part of the Hooverian labeled “Counter Culture” but paradied it frequently.

    The bells that are ringing are Hells bells which are the welcoming rings for all the charlatans who claim to be Christain but support warfare. You’re living a lie if you believe otherwise.

    Comment by Spacebrother — August 20, 2007 @ 12:48 pm | Reply

  139. What strange people you American religious types are. Amusing, too, in your own little way.

    Comment by Kevin — August 22, 2007 @ 4:29 am | Reply

  140. Whatever, Kevin. What Third-World filth-hole are you from?

    Comment by Sisyphus — August 28, 2007 @ 2:37 pm | Reply

  141. While I’m fairly ambivalent about this post and the resulting comments,

    You don’t “Shoot up” MDMA, Sisyphus. Duh.

    Comment by donkspeedonkdonk — August 28, 2007 @ 3:02 pm | Reply

  142. I didn’t say that, Donk. Psycheout did. Anyway, I’m sure people shoot up most drugs. Where there’s a will, there’s a way.

    Comment by Sisyphus — August 28, 2007 @ 3:16 pm | Reply

  143. Nah. Shooting up is the worst possible ingestion method. And my apologies, I can’t tell you two apart sometimes!

    Comment by donkspeedonkdonk — August 28, 2007 @ 3:29 pm | Reply

  144. “Nah. Shooting up is the worst possible ingestion method.”

    I wouldn’t know. Anyway, as I said, where there’s a will, there’s a way. Remember your Onion. They’re probably America-haters, but they do write a decent satire now and then.

    Comment by Sisyphus — August 28, 2007 @ 3:40 pm | Reply

  145. “Remember your Onion. They’re probably America-haters, but they do write a decent satire now and then.”

    I think the whole b4b sight consists of America Haters. If they loved America they’d work at solutions everybody can agree with instead of polarizing our beautiful country. Polarization is the worst form of America Hatred and the far-right neo-con-artists have perfected it. Frank Zappa recognised it over 40 years ago.

    Comment by Spacebrother — August 29, 2007 @ 3:52 pm | Reply

  146. Ignorant donkspeedonkdonk claimed:

    You don’t “Shoot up” MDMA, Sisyphus. Duh.

    I guess so.

    Some experienced users snort Ecstasy powder nasally, whereas a small minority inject MDMA.

    So much for your “wisdom.”

    Comment by Psycheout — August 29, 2007 @ 8:11 pm | Reply

  147. I disagree with your opinions of Frank Zappa. Your statement that he advocated Vegetable Lust (in the song “Call Any Vegetable” is wrong. Here’s Frank on the song, the quote of which may be found Here: http://www.arf.ru/Notes/Afree/calve.html

    “The best clue to this song might lie in the fact that people who are inactive in a society… people who do not live up to their responsibilities… are vegetables.
    I feel that these people… even if they are inactive, apathetic or unconcerned at this point… can be motivated toward a more useful sort of existence. I believe that if you call any vegatable it will respond to you.”

    And the idea that he was into incest? Please, watch the video man, he was only saying that people have the right to sing about it. He never said you should be allowed to do it, and the only reason he mentioned incest at all was because that particular question was thrown at him.

    As for you Sisyphus, you give us Christians a bad name. Look at the Gospel,Christ would have never called people that or said such hateful things. Christ was a loving God, and a forgiving one, and by calling yourself a Christian you do not set a very good example for Christ. If you were a Christian you would forgive these people and move on.

    The idea that someone would post something this hateful about Frank Zappa is appalling. The man has been dead for 13 years, and is not here to defend himself. Have you no shame? Either way, I know who I will not be voting for this coming election. I cannot imagine living in an America run by Hate-mongers such as Sisyphus

    Comment by Anonymous. — August 31, 2007 @ 2:00 pm | Reply

  148. Nailed it.

    Comment by zombie1210 — August 31, 2007 @ 8:10 pm | Reply

  149. Agreed. Sisyphus is clueless. Satan waits for him.

    Comment by spacebrother — August 31, 2007 @ 11:22 pm | Reply

  150. Frank Zappa is a genius, and i agree with him…freedom of expression or thought…and i’m canadian…Frank Zappa is a god, genius, hero and icon and i support him and his work

    Comment by Shayne Marchand — September 2, 2007 @ 11:28 pm | Reply

  151. Sisyphus = “Dumb All Over”

    Comment by Steve — September 4, 2007 @ 11:03 pm | Reply

  152. I think, no, I KNOW, that the only thing FZ would find funny about this is your hypocracy! Speaking ill of the dead…tsk, tsk, sinner.

    I think its funny that you wait until 13 years after the man is gone before you can grow the balls to attack him!

    This whole idiotic roos of yours fires WAY BEYOND FZ! And the fact that you believe the filth that spews from your evil head makes you a danger to society. Incest SUPPORTER??? You almost sound like you carry the burden of a guilty concsience…

    You really should WATCH the video and LISTEN to what’s going on before you enlighten us all with your valued opinion.

    Your opinion is CLEARLY based on the fact that you rely on others to tell you what to think, Sheepsyphus. And it appears that you have fallen in-cahoots with a nasty circle of hate-mongers! People like you are the reason that the rest of us have to keep our children under lock and key in plain daylight. Its only a matter of time before you won’t be able to move to MY neighborhood without registering your presence. We like to know when there are predators around…

    Burn in hell Sisyphus, and don’t wait to die to do it!

    BTW – Straight jacket, not strait, dumbass.

    Comment by Steve — September 4, 2007 @ 11:16 pm | Reply

  153. Hey…is Brownback this guy’s REAL name or is it code?…fag

    Comment by Steve — September 4, 2007 @ 11:27 pm | Reply

  154. So, you call yourselves Christians…don’t have anything better to do than police the world and martyr “non-conformists” instead of trying to save them? WOW, I’ve always heard of the “Church that wasn’t for sinners”, now I guess I have found it, and I was raised Holiness! Go ahead, throw another “nigger” on the barbie…evil people!

    Comment by Steve — September 4, 2007 @ 11:42 pm | Reply

  155. “There is no hell. There is only France.”

    – Frank Zappa

    Comment by PAULB — September 5, 2007 @ 1:41 am | Reply

  156. Anyone who talks poo about Frank Zappa is a freaking IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Closed minded prats, hope YOU burn in hell!

    Dr. Dot

    myspace.com/drdot

    [Ed Note: Please watch your language, Dr. Prat.]

    Comment by Dr. Dot — September 5, 2007 @ 2:14 am | Reply

  157. The idea that FZ endorsed any kind of incest of vegetable lust amazes me.
    As a fan of Zappa’s work for nearly 30 years I’ve never heard such ignorant rants.
    Zappa was a composer, a guy that wrote dots on paper, and a guy that liked to laugh, he was a loyal husband and father of four brilliant children. He was to be the Czech Republics minister of culture, a thinker, an icon….

    Frank knew this country was founded by people that understood what the word ‘freedom’ meant. These men were not here seeking a Christian nation to build, and although religion can be very important for many, like ANYTHING though.. too much of something is bad for you, this is why the Europeans fled, because of religious tyranny……and the framers of our Constitution of The United States understood religion is good, and important, but it needs to be controlled.
    Remember..religion, like anything else effects all human beings differently.
    The BIG problem comes when blind faith people try to destroy our Constitution by taking away rights given to us by our framers.
    Here are some quotes the framers made about religion and our country, you can fact check them if you’d like:

    “The United States is in no sense founded on the Christian doctrine.”~George Washington

    “It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”~ Thomas Jefferson

    “I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my church.”~ Thomas Paine

    “I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.”~ Thomas Jefferson

    “The Bible is not my book, and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma.”~ Abraham Lincoln

    now, I’m a Roman Catholic, my children go to the same catholic school I went to. But I have the intelligence to know the church has a place. The church shouldn’t be everywhere, and Christianity is not the religion of this country. There is a thing called tolerance and knowledge and I think some of the people here who are advocating digging up a persons body and burning it…well, Jesus would have some words for you, and those words are far worse than anything Frank Zappa ever uttered.

    shame

    Comment by trendm0nger — September 5, 2007 @ 7:27 am | Reply

  158. And while this show was being recorded and aired this is what Ronald Reagan was saying about our brilliant leader:

    “A moment I’ve been dreading. George (Bush Sr.) brought his ne’er-do-well son around this morning and asked me to find the kid a job. Not the political one who lives in Florida. The one who hangs around here all the time looking shiftless. This so-called kid is already almost 40 and has never had a real job. Maybe I’ll call Kinsley over at The New Republic and see if they’ll hire him as a contributing editor or something. That looks like easy work.”

    — Ronald Reagan in his recently published diaries, written May 17, 1986 .

    Comment by trendm0nger — September 5, 2007 @ 7:33 am | Reply

  159. These words about digging up a human body and burning it is worse than anything Frank Zappa ever uttered. Syphlis posted this and exposes the problem FZ warned us about religion in politics…of course we know Zappa was far ahead of his time, I listened….few others heard his warning.
    We see what happens when politics is controlled by religion, it’s called the middle east, why on earth would someone want that here?

    Comment by trendm0nger — September 5, 2007 @ 7:42 am | Reply

  160. The fact that Zappa is supported by degenerates like you does far more to corroborate my assertions than anything I’ve written thus far.

    Comment by Sisyphus — September 5, 2007 @ 9:39 am | Reply

  161. Have you heard of liability??
    I’ve seen this before and I recall Zappa supporting “free speech” and “artistic freedom”, not incest. It’s a far cry from supporting people’s freedom to express themselves and supporting incest.

    Listen and learn Sisyphus, Zappa says,
    “I don’t agree with it. I have not interest in incest.”.

    Shoddy blogging.

    Comment by Mauro Andres — September 5, 2007 @ 9:49 am | Reply

  162. Sisyphis is a psuedo-Christain and anti-American. Frank Zappa supported free speech where Sisyphis is a censorist blog alterer who’s trying to prop up Brownback who’s supported and endorsed by bigots.

    Comment by Spacebrother — September 5, 2007 @ 2:17 pm | Reply

  163. I respect your opinion and your right to say your thoughts. These are the rights Frank Zappa fought tooth and nail for.

    Apparently you aren’t familiar with Frank Zappa’s works, just that one little 20 min. clip. Zappa was and still is one of the most respected American composers ever. His body of work has been performed by such esteemed ensembles as the London Symphony Orchestra and The Ensemble Modern, and in 1994 was inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. Frank Zappa did not support incest. You are referring to another debate where he was presented a song by Prince. He distinctly said he didn’t support incest, but he supported Prince’s right to sing about it. Freedom of speech, my friend.

    Let me ask you as a Christian, would Jesus approve your saying that you’re sure wherever Zappa is it’s hot? Or that we should exhume his body and burn it in a dumpster? Say what you want about Frank Zappa, but he was just as American as you are.

    Comment by James Sharp — September 5, 2007 @ 3:07 pm | Reply

  164. Pheeeeeeeeeeew… You darn republican PRICKS!! Go to Iraq and DIE for your president, bitches!

    [Ed Note: No profanity, please.]

    Comment by GreggaryPeccary — September 5, 2007 @ 3:12 pm | Reply

  165. I’m a Roman Catholic, my children go to the same Catholic school I went to. I’m a Zappa fan for 30 years….I have the intelligence to know the Constitution of The United States trumps ANY religion or any book.
    ANY RELIGION including mine

    do some fact checking:

    “The United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian doctrine.”~ George Washington

    “It does no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”~ Thomas Jefferson

    “I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, byt the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my church.”~ Thomas Paine

    “I do not find in orthodox Christiany one redeeming feature.”~ Thomas Jefferson

    “”The Bible is not my book, and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma.”~ Abraham Lincoln

    Syphlis is clearly a threat to our Constitution and freedoms.

    Comment by trendm0nger — September 5, 2007 @ 3:23 pm | Reply

  166. Frank Zappa was born and raise Roman Catholic by two Catholic immigrants that settled in Boston.

    Comment by trendm0nger — September 5, 2007 @ 3:26 pm | Reply

  167. “Let me ask you as a Christian, would Jesus approve your saying that you’re sure wherever Zappa is it’s hot? Or that we should exhume his body and burn it in a dumpster?”

    Yes, He would. So be it always with sinners.

    “Say what you want about Frank Zappa, but he was just as American as you are.”

    No, he wasn’t. He was a leftist.

    “Pheeeeeeeeeeew… You fuckin republican PRICKS!! Go to Iraq and DIE for your president, bitches!”

    The war will be over before I had a chance to get over there. Al Qaeda has been crushed, the insurgents are on our side, and security is improving daily. Peace is nigh. You won’t find that out in the New York Times, but they hate Iraq almost as much as they hate America and Jesus.

    I’m a Roman Catholic, my children go to the same Catholic school I went to. I’m a Zappa fan for 30 years….I have the intelligence to know the Constitution of The United States trumps ANY religion or any book.
    ANY RELIGION including mine”

    This is a Christian nation. Always has been, always will be. Don’t like it? Take your distorting, out-of-context quote book and move to Sweden. Or Syria.

    “Frank Zappa was born and raise Roman Catholic by two Catholic immigrants that settled in Boston.”

    Then he was an apostate as well as a pervert.

    Comment by Sisyphus — September 5, 2007 @ 3:53 pm | Reply

    • Oh dear!Sisyphus….

      Yet another racist, bigot neocon supporter exercising his free-speech with his mouth full of stupidities. I wonder why we fought for those rights sometimes… when monkeys like G. Bush are elected by people like you…. my balls fall to the floor as I think all the struggles for the rights to 1-think 2-choose wisely an appropriate representant

      Anyway, you’re probably obsessed with Zappa cause about 80 percent of his work was about the utter stupidity of your bunch.

      And he was very succesful in many ways … as you show for example that small minds 1- can’t comprehend his music 2- can’t grasp the lyrics and the irony in them.

      It’s just how the world goes: some stuff is for more prepared people, some stuff require less work.

      You’re trying tro prove oyur points without understanding a single note or word of his work. That’s pathetic.

      Now in all your rants the only thing you proved is.. that you don’t like him.

      I can accept that.

      The other stuff, well.. I dunno talk about it at church or something…. but here you just look like a very boastful and aggressive person with a serious case of prejudicial views on the entire world (see “small minded” or “weak”).

      Take care.

      Comment by Claudio — August 13, 2009 @ 5:09 pm | Reply

  168. Like I said, unless you are afraid of the facts, check those quotes and you will find they are true, they are real and they exactly the way the framers thought when they were creating this nation The United States of America.

    You have been lied to if you think this was a nation for Christians to come and create FOR Christians….freedom of ALL religions, and freedom FROM all religion is established by the framers, not Chrisatianity for all, although Christianity is included….just like ALL the other religions are here, and for all to worship the way they choose, you must have tolerance and exercise it like Jesus would.
    You need to understand the Constitution of the United States and what the framers intended for this nation, and it certainly wasn’t to create a Christian nation. I’m sorry if you believe that, it’s just plain wrong.
    And to suggest “if you don’t like it leave.”….you sir are the type of people the Europeans fled from when they came here.
    I ask you to read and educated yourself about the history of this nation. Read books and learn about how this nation began, perhaps you’re afraid what you will find?
    ‘nuf said

    Comment by trendm0nger — September 5, 2007 @ 4:04 pm | Reply

  169. “No, he wasn’t. He was a leftist.”

    You really have no clue. Zappa was a conservative who bashed liberals.

    “The war will be over before I had a chance to get over there. Al Qaeda has been crushed, the insurgents are on our side, and security is improving daily. Peace is nigh.”

    Keep telling yourself that while packing your next bong or crack pipe.

    Fact #1 – The war WILL go on for decades until all the troops are pulled out. Not while any are there.

    Fact #2 – ALL Pentagon and CIA reports show Al Qaeda is as strong or stronger than pre-9/11. Also Bin Laden is still on the loose. Going on 6 years since 9/11, Bush has yet to catch or kill Bin Laden (the guy along with his Saudi buddies who were the ones who commited the worst attack on US soil since Pearl Harbor).

    Fact #3 – The insurgents are still blowing up American troops daily. If thats called “being on OUR side” then it’s time to throw the booze and drugs away a take a breath of reality.

    Likely you’ll think we’re at peace when GWB and Brownback try to claim we are just in time for an election cycle.

    Failure is exactly what it is. No matter how much you deny it, it’s still failure, regardless of the revisionistic propaganda.

    “This is a Christian nation. Always has been, always will be.”

    Native Americans would beg to differ. They prospered for thousands of years here in America until the so-called European Christains arrived and slaughtered them but the nice thing about Catholic school is they leave that fact out of the history textbooks for some odd reason. It’s revisionist history and puposely leaves out the imperialist terrorism that originally founded America. (of course your response would be one of denial and hatred sprinkled with post altering activities)

    Please do America a favor and take your ultra nationalistic right wing buddies with you to the Middle East with the ultra right wing nationalists that reside there.

    Comment by Spacebrother — September 5, 2007 @ 4:32 pm | Reply

  170. He must be a true genius if you hate him that much after all these years😉

    Comment by BUBBLEGUM — September 5, 2007 @ 4:56 pm | Reply

  171. I see a different Zappa quote everytime I visit LGF (which just so happens to be on your ‘essentials’ list).

    Comment by ChenZhen — September 5, 2007 @ 6:34 pm | Reply

  172. It’s really funny how these guys don’t see how they are EXACTLY like the terrorists they are trying to fight.

    Comment by Adam Nelson — September 5, 2007 @ 6:44 pm | Reply

  173. “Let me ask you as a Christian, would Jesus approve your saying that you’re sure wherever Zappa is it’s hot? Or that we should exhume his body and burn it in a dumpster?”

    Yes, He would. So be it always with sinners.

    “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.” Romans 3:23

    Comment by James Sharp — September 5, 2007 @ 6:55 pm | Reply

  174. Those who judge others posit themselves as equals to God. Nobody but Jesus and God may judge people, and to commence judgement by yourself suggests that you deem your opinions as important and correct as God’s. Such ridiculous arrogance.

    Comment by Adam Nelson — September 5, 2007 @ 8:27 pm | Reply

  175. All you darn republicans and christians are going to be the death of us all!! Their god doesn’t believe in the book we believe in so we need to kill them! Music is freedom and you people are all plum crazy!!! I weep for our nations future as well as the children you are all raise!! If Frank Zappa’s in Hell( which doesn’t really exisist by the way!)I ‘ll be there partying with him and all my friends!!! The best part of living here in america is we have FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!! Let’s keep it that way.

    [Ed Note: Freedom of speech does not include putting profanity in our comment threads, Wolfie.]

    Comment by Wolf Navarro — September 6, 2007 @ 2:29 am | Reply

  176. Anybody interested in Nazi Germany & the way propaganda was utilised should realize what Zappa stood for…

    [Ed Note: He stood for awhile and then, when he got tired, he sat down. Is that what you mean, Tean?]

    Comment by Tean — September 6, 2007 @ 2:29 am | Reply

  177. Was he as evil as George W Hitler Bush. I don’t think so. He was a musician. Not a facist, dumb, evil piece of cow dung like the current American president.
    If you set out to make yourself look at stupid as possible… DING DING DING you’ve done very well.
    Peasant.

    Comment by Michael — September 6, 2007 @ 2:30 am | Reply

  178. Zappa was an original american composer, family man, was anti-drug. Your totally off base. He was x-rated but no worse than, Red Foxx or Lenny Bruce. he might have been vulgar in music but was clean living unlike some Senators from Idaho who claim family values while lurking in bathroom stalls

    Comment by Dennis — September 6, 2007 @ 2:31 am | Reply

  179. Well, FZ was one hell of a songwriter, componist and he was very good at showing all people the mirror. he was definitly a Lefty and was against all those commercial religious things shown in TV. In my eyes he was a realist, an ideologist and which is most important: a man who was beyond his own time. I cannot see any bad things about FZ and as I am a huge fan of his music I have to say this. I read a lot about him, listened to his interviews, documentations and books and I can say I know a bit more about him than maybe some of you..so what the hell are you supposed to reach with your nerdy comments?!
    thanks and remeber: THE MEEK SHALL INHERIT NOTHING!!!
    – Ross

    Comment by Ross Feratu — September 6, 2007 @ 2:31 am | Reply

  180. The beauty of the American way is that everyone is entitled to their right to the first amendment. We have choices we can listen, or we don’t have to…

    Zappa was a creative and musical genius…. While some people will never understand his works, He had the right and the freedom to create and record what he wanted and what he felt the message was he was portraying…

    Zappa is a part of American culture. Of course, something like this gets posted almost 21 years after it happened.

    Leave him alone… those of us who wish to enjoy his works have that right to enjoy his works…

    Comment by Doug Jones — September 6, 2007 @ 2:32 am | Reply

  181. Right-wing, conservative WANKERS who know NOTHING about Frank’s music or lyrics. IDIOTS.

    Comment by Dr. Dot — September 6, 2007 @ 2:46 am | Reply

  182. Sisyphus sounds a bit Nazi-ish to me anyways.

    Comment by Dr. Dot — September 6, 2007 @ 2:47 am | Reply

  183. Mr. Zappa was great at exposing people’s stupidity [including his own]. Offended by him? Well, you’re stupid!
    Frank was also an excellent guitar player, and composer.

    Comment by Joe — September 6, 2007 @ 3:04 am | Reply

  184. Frank once said and i quote “The most abundant substance in the universe is stupidity”
    I think this anal retentive moron [named Gitzee] must have 99.9% of it!
    If brains were bollocks he would be a professor!

    Comment by Gitzee — September 6, 2007 @ 3:09 am | Reply

  185. God does not exist. Jesus was a freedom fighter not unlike Cheney. If you say that God is on your side fighting an unholy war which everyone knows has nothing to do with saving the people and more to do with oil, doesn’t that make your god one evil mofo. gods, human creations for the dumb masses to believe in because there own lives have nothing. Zappa fought in court for freedom of speach. Isn’t that something you believe in? Also learn irony, sarcasm. They are quite usefull in understanding FZ.

    [Ed Note: Not sure about the rest of your drivel, but Vice President Cheney certainly is a great man. Well said.]

    Comment by Evil Jesus — September 6, 2007 @ 3:34 am | Reply

  186. excuse me but i think you are the one who belongs in a straight jacket, Zappa was not promoting incest or filth or anything like that (if you actually listen to him speak then you would realise that), he was defending the freedom of speech in music and other art forms. IF anything he is the most sanest person on that panel, the guy opposing him wanted music with swearing in it to be taken out of shops who have to be bought under the counter like some dirty little item. Music is freedom, they are only words and when you are frightened and threatened by words then you seriously have to reflect on your life.
    p.s. listen to how the guy mocks Zappa everymove in music and his life trying to dig holes in his reputation so no matter was Zappa says it would seem farfetched becauce he knew hs argument was extremely flawed, and when he gave up on things to say he asked him if he agreed with him, Zappa said he didnt, and then this guy said, ‘then your part of ‘the problem”. I think a little trip down memory might dictate these are the words of dictatorship society like Hitler or Stalin, killing people and locking people away if they did not agree with them.
    This is the kind of route this guy was arguing for, Putting people in jail for saying a few naughty words on a record becuace it would damage the youth of todays inncoent little pure minds. It is absurd.

    Comment by i am rob — September 6, 2007 @ 3:39 am | Reply

  187. “From whence” !? Take your head out of your backside…If anyone belongs in a strait jacket, it’s you pal…The only thing that’s clear from your blog is that you’re just another narrow minded, bible bashing, ignorant scare mongerer. Look in the mirror, fella… You can’t see the wood, for the trees.

    [Ed Note: Thanks for using the word “backside” instead of what many of your pals would use. I don’t think I approve of the use of the word “wood” however. Please be careful not to cross the line. Thanks.]

    Comment by John4526 — September 6, 2007 @ 3:40 am | Reply

  188. The fact that people in america focus any of their strength on censorship is quite sad. These are WORDS people. Mereley a way of expressing ourselves. Like Zappa mentions these are only syllables put together. They hold no water. In all reality, The words “For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge” could have no different meaning than the word “orange”. Its that we’ve created a negative connotation with these so called “BAD” words. We should be focusing on intention rather than expression. Deal with the issues at hand and not the tools people use to express them. Creativity censored, ceases to be creative. And as human beings the only thing we truly have is the ability to create in one way or another.

    [Ed Note: Not on B4B, buddy. The F-word is not allowed. Children read this website, you pervert.]

    Comment by TMAC — September 6, 2007 @ 3:46 am | Reply

  189. And if you’re going to revert to your bible. Just remember that the bible is written by man.. Same man that created the words you hate so dearly..

    [Ed Note: Blasphemer.]

    Comment by TMAC — September 6, 2007 @ 3:59 am | Reply

  190. frank was not in favor of incest. are we watching the same video? he never bucled under the cheap pressure of the show’s people. each person’s Truth is their reality, say what ya wat but you are attackin he wrog person here. wait. I love you. first ammendment ight. let;s take away your ability to post. there is no free speech. let me say i have read a LOT of your posings and you haven’t a clue. poor souls. got yourself lost in media manipulation. suckers.

    [Ed Note: How about you and your foul-mouthed treefrogs knock of using the f-word on this family-friendly site? Pretty please?]

    Comment by bobo — September 6, 2007 @ 4:06 am | Reply

  191. sites like this prove just how dangerous Christianity can get. The next thing you’ll be doing is burning books like the nazis did.

    Comment by al sullivan — September 6, 2007 @ 4:25 am | Reply

  192. What a thing to say that someone like Zappa is like Hitler! I am German and I can tell you – because I have a brain – that there is no connection whatsoever. And I can tell you that it actually doesn’t take long to think about it, that it is a shame that someone like you and people that support you are not a little bit more intelligent. You should have used the internet for something else than looking up random quotes from other people that would, out of context, support your unbelievable statements. Unfortunately most of your mind blowing citizens have nothing else to do than leaving really stunning comments. Who do you think you are and what do you think that is that you are writing there??? For me it is not close to racism, it is racism, just hidden behind the anonymitiy of the www, which is suitable for cowards. I wonder why those right wing gramps are always blind and deaf against art, music or literature. Hey, but it reminds me of something: German politics in the 30ies and 40ies! That should be just your thing, eh?

    I don’t know why, but I am ashamed of your page and its content!

    Comment by berlinerladylounge — September 6, 2007 @ 5:05 am | Reply

  193. You guys.. you dont understand poop about Zappa.. he just used the oppourtunity to laugh at the uptight and socially acceptable people.. and he wasnt pro-incest… wth are you talking about?

    And i bet the autor is one of those people’s child :]

    And it gets even worse when you say his music was horrible.. his music was PERFECT in every way; original, complicated, S-A-R-C-A-S-T-I-C, or humoristic if you like the word better, and i could go on like that more and more!
    oh, and haven’t you ever heard of the word “sarcasm”?

    Comment by leila — September 6, 2007 @ 5:06 am | Reply

  194. What the hell?! Zappa is the only one in that debate with his head actually screwed on, The man is a damn legend. The points he raises are so true and what makes them really hit home is he is witty enough to battle these patriotic toffs with humour and knowledge. Ugh dont any of you have a sense of homour? and why are you anylising this? I would hate to live in a world without people like frank zappa.

    [Ed Note: Frank Zappa is no longer in this world. What are you going to do?]

    Comment by Jae — September 6, 2007 @ 5:24 am | Reply

  195. Frank is the best thing that ever happened to music. Those that don’t realize it are fools.

    [Ed Note: Apparently you’ve never listened to Pat Boone or Lawrence Welk. Live and learn.]

    Comment by Burn — September 6, 2007 @ 5:29 am | Reply

  196. Hmmm, Let me just say a coulple of words BULL poo! Ok…. more words. Zappa was one of the 20th centuries most wonderful composers, he is right up there with all the great composers of our lives. There is a “brightness” control on most TVs, your’s must not work, there is an on and off switch on most record players…. use it…… get a clue! You got it ALL wrong. I don’t even want to say anymore…. but I will. Where do you get off putting such a wonderful artist down? What do you do, work in a turd farm? You really owe it to yourself to look deeper into the man’s work, try to get passed your short sightedness. But this America (for what it’s worth) we both can have our own opinion…. but your’s SUCKS!

    I also really want to have sex with another man. I love being embarassingly gay! Love me!

    Comment by Jerry Ford — September 6, 2007 @ 5:42 am | Reply

  197. Hey buddy if you could pull your head out your right wing, uptight, patriotic ass then perhaps you could enjoy life, appreciate zappa and realise the amount of diverse amazing culture and art in the world. you know people dont always have the same opinions so stop trying to enforce yours upon others, i happen to love frank zappa, his music is so creative and perfect and he himself is a highly inteligent and witty guy. what a boring life you must lead matey.

    Comment by Jae — September 6, 2007 @ 5:48 am | Reply

  198. As Bill Hicks once said, in some parts of the world they shout “revolution revolution”. In other parts of the world (namely where these right wing christian fundamentalist morons who have nothing better to than insult the genius of FZ) come from They scream “evolution evolution, we want our thumbs” They are of course -Dumb all over and a little ugly on the side.

    Comment by mu — September 6, 2007 @ 6:01 am | Reply

  199. Frank Zappa is the greatest American who ever lived.

    Comment by Muff Inmann — September 6, 2007 @ 6:08 am | Reply

  200. How dare you change the words Ive written.. I was trying to make a point. A valid one at that. You’ve only further proved how you feable minded, bible-beating maniacs push your values on us until we revolt. No wonder nobody respects you. You PEOPLE show zero respect from the gate.. And how dare you call me a pervert when its the fathers of this archdiosis performing felatio on under-age boys.. Ruining lives more-so than saving them. There’s a revolution of realization in the works brother. Its all just slipping away. And soon enough there is nothing anyone will be able to do about it.

    Comment by TMAC — September 6, 2007 @ 6:24 am | Reply

  201. olaaaaaaaaa. Frank Zappa is nice ! It understands the deviances and wants to explain them. It is right to say that the deviances are the hyper-moral fruit of people, which blocks you up to the point to explode. Frank is very in advance, like Galileo. The words are only words, and he likes the controversy. he likes to understand. He does not judge.
    yes, Frank Zappa uses the words, “inceste”, because it knows, that the language is a virus, and that the words, are not worth the actions. Moreover, these actions, are to play superbly well of the guitar, and to compose, but certain people have a so narrow brain, these same people like the rumours, they like to see the devil, which is in their head. Moreover, when one looks at, the emission, frank is very calm, and it knows what it speaks. These people speak to us about morality, because they are conditioned, it is the color of the lie. They want to believe that their children did not see them making love, moreover, them do not make love, they censure it. Frank Zappa shared its stories, he wanted simply that people evolve, and do not want to be any to make love, as Catholicism (and another people of religion) teaches it to us. Moreover how can one believe that frank zappa is for the inceste, whereas it finds the sex, very primary and laughs at it (sexual Harrassement).

    fred

    Comment by fred — September 6, 2007 @ 6:25 am | Reply

  202. If you’ve SEEN Borat, how can you be so opposed to “filth”? And have you ever taken the time to listen to the man’s classical compositions? If you are basing your opinion on the few songs you may have heard, you are sadly mistaken. Zappa was a genius, so far ahead of his time it’s sickening. You may or may not agree with his politics, but to me, 90% of the man’s observations were spot on! You just go on and enjoy your mindless mainstream, or better yet, “Christian” music. Most of you lack the intellect to appreciate anything deeper that may actually challenge you.

    Comment by Gabriel — September 6, 2007 @ 6:40 am | Reply

  203. <>

    One of Franks’ causes was to get people to register to vote! I guess that is a bad thing. Just because people don not understand a person, right away they bash him. Was Frank wierd, was he brash, was he funny, yes! Did he voice his opinion openly? Yes. In that interview Frank held his own, and because you don’t like or understand, or really listen to what he is saying you attack him. He was trying to protect Musicians freedom of speach. You don’t like his music don’t listen to it, or let your children listen to it. YOU be the censor, NOT the goverment. Music is the Best…..FZ
    R.I.P. Frank

    Mr. JIm

    Comment by Mr. Jim — September 6, 2007 @ 6:45 am | Reply

  204. I agree with Slime O….Gerry Garcia and Frank Zappa are not even in the same league when it comes to musicianship. To compare Zappa to Hitler is just plain stupid. The person who created this blog obviously misconstrued Zappa’s words. Frank Zappa was NEVER an advocate for incest. I’ve listened to every FZ release and I have no desire to have sex with my brother or my first cousin; can you believe that?

    Zappa himself was a relatively conservative man. He was married, raised four beautiful children, he paid his taxes, he advocated AGAINST drug usage and he was a patriotic American who not only stood for his beliefs but obviously had no problem defending his beliefs when necessary. THANK YOU Frank Zappa for being the most prolific and important composer of the 20th century. If any of you right wingers took the time to actually listen to his music or even looked at some of his compositions on paper, you would know that he was not your run of the mill rock star. He conducted symphonies for God’s sake!!

    To think that there are still people out there who still carry these moronic beliefs is mind boggling!!! Sisyphus, it’s time for you to wake up, smell the black water in the cup and get a life.

    Comment by debutante daisy — September 6, 2007 @ 6:52 am | Reply

  205. One more thing… Why do you assume that anyone that opposes this view is a “liberal”? I’m not sharing my beliefs, because i don’t believe it’s important BUT I do know a heck of a lot of Republicans that are RABID Zappa fans. To the fellow Zappa supporters that did post on this page, bravo. To the closed-minded folks that created this bribble, well… let’s just say that what I have to say to to you is not being written. I am “thinking of the children!” Sounds so familiar, like something I heard during the PMRC hearings…

    Comment by Gabriel — September 6, 2007 @ 6:53 am | Reply

  206. If you actually think for one second that Zappa supported incest then you don’t understand the words irony and sarcasm. You are probably referring to the song “Brown Shoes Don’t Make It” … whose lyrics are indeed quite shocking. But when one learns that Zappa is playing the role of a corrupt city hall official, then one should understand that it is not Zappa who supports incest but instead it is some of leaders. Catholic Church scandal, anyone?

    Zappa was not afraid to be misunderstood.

    I am sorry, but you people are idiots. Don’t worry though, you aren’t alone nor are you in the minority.

    Sheeple.

    Comment by J — September 6, 2007 @ 6:57 am | Reply

  207. Frank was a genius musically, and those of you that are saying he hated America are just plain wrong; there is nothing more American than being able to say and act and be as you think – we are after all the “home of the free”. One of the most wonderous things about America is the diversity that we enjoy, due to the freedoms that we are afforded. Certainly Mr. Zappa’s art is one of those freedoms. and for those of you that think his only musical contribution is “valley Girl” – please listen to some of his collected Jazz works, his work with Symphony Orchestras, and other work – he is one of the few 20th century “composers” who will probably be studied 100 years form now in our universities in the way that Bach, Mozart and the like have been studied in the past.

    Free speech includes those views that are not necessarily popular, and while some of Frank’s lyrics could be considered “offensive” (mostly in jest, by the way, if you read anything about him), he has the right as American to say those things.

    Regarding the whole PMRC mess from the 80s; I personally feel the government in the US did and should have more important things to worry about than what someone says or does on a recording. If parents were REALLY that concerned, they wouldn’t rely on the government to make the decision as to what is right and wrong for their kids to listen to; they would BE INVOLVED in their child’s life enough to make the decision themselves…

    Comment by Rick G — September 6, 2007 @ 7:05 am | Reply

  208. I guess it’s only coincidence that many other talented rock artists of the 70’s where mentored by Frank’s style. He was probably the only rock musician to approach his music as an orchestra. Unrelentingly precise and calculated. Franks music pushed boundaries but only to reflect the insanity of our own culture (as art is wont to do). In fact it was a reflection of you, if you will. So, please don’t shoot the messenger. In addition, it is painfully apparent that he had a better sense of humor than yourself.

    Eat Me,

    Dan Pappas

    Comment by Dan Pappas — September 6, 2007 @ 7:12 am | Reply

  209. Oh … one more thing … while we are at it.

    Burn in Hell, John Lofton!

    Comment by J — September 6, 2007 @ 7:13 am | Reply

  210. To all the children that allegedly read this site, see this but don’t repeat it.

    “F-YOU.”

    Comment by adykenamedfreddie — September 6, 2007 @ 7:19 am | Reply

  211. Pat Boone eh? The same Pat Boone who had sex with three underage girls in an Arkansas cabin?

    Comment by Adam Nelson — September 6, 2007 @ 7:22 am | Reply

  212. You lot are FreaKING PATHETIC- he was a musician. Is American society still stuck in the thirties or something? It just goes to show how intolerant your country really is. No wonder the world hates you with idiotic comments like these. And where exactly is the evidence that god exists? Followers of religion truly are sheep- shame there’s no shepherd!

    Comment by Elliott — September 6, 2007 @ 7:33 am | Reply

  213. Wishing that someone you’ve never met and who has had no direct influence on your life should burn in hell is a wonderfully Christian thing to do, isn’t it?

    Comment by Matt — September 6, 2007 @ 7:41 am | Reply

  214. “The only words we need to hear are the Words of God contained in the Bible.”

    Zappa wrote the bible. He’s laughing at you dimwits! Luckily you’re the minority now – the world is maturing despite of you.

    Comment by Thingfish — September 6, 2007 @ 7:47 am | Reply

  215. novak the hack

    LOVE THIS INTERVIEW

    “WE’RE TALKING ABOUT WORDS”. get em’ frank.

    pudgy guy with glasses looks like a total fool in that interview. what a fat little loser. he attacks zappa personally for no reason and gets called out for showing that he has probably never even listened to frank, but zappa just keeps his cool. who is he to criticize an artist, he looks like some old loser that is mad that he never got laid.

    Comment by Clayton — September 6, 2007 @ 8:05 am | Reply

  216. Oh and I forgot to say:
    BeaCH, COoK, TWiT, SHoT, cuSTARD, bUCK AND Cheese.

    Also I love having regular teaparties with my sister and mum- especially when they hug me in the grass with a big black corncob.

    [Ed Note: Please don’t tell us how you kiss your mother with that foul mouth of yours. Actually, please don’t tell us anything ever again. Thanks.]

    Comment by Elliott — September 6, 2007 @ 8:11 am | Reply

  217. I must say I find this blog’s page very encouraging. Having read the original opinion and subsequent comments, I am as pleased to see the level of understanding and intellect of the MAJORITY of respondents, as I am piteous of the MINORITY for their intollerance and ignorance. I think Mr. Zappa would admire the perception and reasoning capacity prosessed by most of the debators advocating in his defense, and he would find the supporters of this website a source of great amusement.

    [Ed Note: Somehow I doubt it, you sheep. He’d probably side with us for reasons you could not possibly understand. But if you want to dream of having gay relations with Frank Zappa, go ahead, sinner.]

    Comment by Johnny — September 6, 2007 @ 8:15 am | Reply

  218. This was kinda rare for Frank to do the television thing. Anyone who knows him and his music know that he wrote a song called “I’m the Slime” and it was very cynical toward television in general (“i’m the slime oozing out of your tv set”). Meanwhile this guy on here with the big glasses who looks like he’s about to have a heart attack at any moment is the type of person who probably makes a living off of television and spin like bill o’reilly. Music is such a more enlightening and healthy medium than a lot of the filth that airs on tv. I wish zappa would have spoke to that more than he did here because i know that he agrees.

    Comment by Clayton — September 6, 2007 @ 8:17 am | Reply

  219. Did you see this Headline at the Mighty Drudge?

    [Ed Note: So asks the stupidest person on the planet.]

    WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A POLITICIAN GOES TO NEW HAMPSHIRE: AND NO ONE SHOWS UP… ^

    [Ed Note: What happens when an illiterate treefrog squeezes one out in the morning and nobody cares?]

    Guess who its about? Senator Brownback
    http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070904/480/5ca0cf5624ad4cb59c18a7e2ebe0f469

    Thought police like you and those you support not only make people more intrigued by what you deem “filth”, but you go against the free market of ideas that is Freedom of Speech.

    Enjoy your 15 minutes.

    [Ed Note: Your 15 seconds are over, davey. And every single one was excruciatingly boring.]

    Why not focus on living “perverts” like foley, vitter, and craig?

    [Ed Note: Why not focus on posts that aren’t nearly a couple of months old? Are you like the stupid kid that laughs at a joke that you heard a couple years ago? Duh, I get it now! LOL!]

    Comment by dave — September 6, 2007 @ 8:18 am | Reply

  220. Religion really is a bag of marshmallows. Why can’t the human race grow up and realise we are in control of our own destiny. I, wish, I’d, die.

    [Ed Note: Using foul language only demonstrates that you are a gibbering vulgarian.]

    Comment by Elliott — September 6, 2007 @ 8:19 am | Reply

  221. I can’t believe this blog is being censored- typical american peanut brittle.

    [Ed Note: Stop cursing, please. Children read this blog, too. Have some respect for others, you idiotic treefrog.]

    Comment by Elliott — September 6, 2007 @ 8:24 am | Reply

  222. [Ed Note: Somehow I doubt it, you sheep. He’d probably side with us for reasons you could not possibly understand. But if you want to dream of having gay relations with Frank Zappa, go ahead, sinner.]

    LOL

    [Ed Note: ROTF.]

    Comment by Johnny — September 6, 2007 @ 8:26 am | Reply

  223. just a follow up comment from Frank himself:

    Dumb All Over:

    Whoever we are
    Wherever were from
    We shoulda noticed by now
    Our behavior is dumb
    And if our chances
    Expect to improve
    Its gonna take a lot more
    Than tryin to remove
    The other race
    Or the other whatever
    From the face
    Of the planet altogether

    They call it the earth
    Which is a dumb kinda name
    But they named it right
    cause we behave the same…
    We are dumb all over
    Dumb all over,
    Yes we are
    Dumb all over,
    Near n far
    Dumb all over,
    Black n white
    People, we is not wrapped tight

    Nurds on the left
    Nurds on the right
    Religous fanatics
    On the air every night
    Sayin the bible
    Tells the story
    Makes the details
    Sound real gory
    bout what to do
    If the geeks over there
    Dont believe in the book
    We got over here

    You cant run a race
    Without no feet
    n pretty soon
    There wont be no street
    For dummies to jog on
    Or doggies to dog on
    Religous fanatics
    Can make it be all gone
    (I mean it wont blow up
    n disappear
    Itll just look ugly
    For a thousand years…)

    You cant run a country
    By a book of religion
    Not by a heap
    Or a lump or a smidgeon
    Of foolish rules
    Of ancient date
    Designed to make
    You all feel great
    While you fold, spindle
    And mutilate
    Those unbelievers
    From a neighboring state

    To arms! to arms!
    Hooray! thats great
    Two legs aint bad
    Unless theres a crate
    They ship the parts
    To mama in
    For souvenirs: two ears (get down!)
    Not his, not hers, (but what the hey? )
    The good book says:
    (it gotta be that way!)
    But their book says:
    Revenge the crusades…
    With whips n chains
    n hand grenades…
    Two arms? two arms?
    Have another and another
    Our God says:
    There aint no other!
    Our God says
    Its all okay!
    Our God says
    This is the way!

    It says in the book:
    Burn n destroy…
    n repent, n redeem
    n revenge, n deploy
    n rumble thee forth
    To the land of the unbelieving scum on the other side
    cause they dont go for whats in the book
    n that makes em bad
    So verily we must choppeth them up
    And stompeth them down
    Or rent a nice french bomb
    To poof them out of existance
    While leaving their real estate just where we need it
    To use again
    For temples in which to praise our god
    (cause he can really take care of business!)

    And when his humble tv servant
    With humble white hair
    And humble glasses
    And a nice brown suit
    And maybe a blond wife who takes phone calls
    Tells us our God says
    Its okay to do this stuff
    Then we gotta do it,
    cause if we dont do it,
    We aint gwine up to hebbin!
    (depending on which book youre using at the
    Time…cant use theirs… it dont work
    …its all lies…gotta use mine…)
    Aint that right?
    Thats what they say
    Every night…
    Every day…
    Hey, we cant really be dumb
    If were just following gods orders
    Hey, lets get serious…
    God knows what hes doin
    He wrote this book here
    An the book says:
    He made us all to be just like him,
    So…
    If were dumb…
    Then God is dumb…
    (an maybe even a little ugly on the side)

    Comment by nanook — September 6, 2007 @ 8:26 am | Reply

  224. I want to thank you for posting the video of Zappa on crossfire! I knew nothing about him. After watching the video clip, I am now a true Zappa fan! Thank you so much! I can’t wait to start listening to his music! I love the way you take that ridiculous opposing point of view to help solidify and recrute the Zappa fan base.
    Pure genius! What more can I say! Thank you so much! John K.

    [Ed Note: Please don’t kill yourself.]

    Comment by John K. — September 6, 2007 @ 8:28 am | Reply

  225. ZAPPA was for everything America stands for, freedom of expression, religion, etc. I dont see how anyone in THIS day and time could say he was “Unamerican”. Who really cares? He was a brilliant artist who made good points and did not let anyone walk all over him. That is what this legend should be remembered for. All of you conservative godfearing rejects will live your life miserably trying to prove a point that is evident to everyone who reads what you write…that you clearly ARE unamerican in every sense of the word. Please ask yourself this question. How could people such as yourselves with such strong beliefs like you say you have, be so hateful and deceitful?

    [Ed Note: Thank you for being one of the few who has made his point without resorting to profanity. Well done.]

    Comment by Kipling — September 6, 2007 @ 8:33 am | Reply

  226. I like to perform anal incest on my mum in front of my sister while my dad fellates my dog.

    [Ed Note: I’m sure you do. You are a typical Zappa fan.]

    Comment by Elliott — September 6, 2007 @ 8:36 am | Reply

  227. [Ed Note: Please don’t kill yourself.]

    It sort of looks like that’s what you’re doing with this blog. Ha Ha!

    [Ed Note: I’d respond further but your hilarious wit has made me split my sides in uncontrollable laughter. If you’re a stand up comedian I respectfully suggest that you sit down and shut up.]

    Comment by John K. — September 6, 2007 @ 8:40 am | Reply

  228. This latest wave of Johnny-come-lately Zappa fellators from Phantasy Tour are the stupidest ever. I almost miss the morons from zappa.com. I am so close to closing off comments. These morons have little more to say other than mindless profanity and hero worship.

    Look, you pathetic little morons. Nobody cares. Your lives are a waste. Go do something useful with your lives for once.

    Comment by Psycheout — September 6, 2007 @ 8:40 am | Reply

  229. those sound like the dreams of your typical GOP senator

    Comment by Clayton — September 6, 2007 @ 8:43 am | Reply

  230. Hey psychout (catchy name, early LSD user maybe?).

    My life hasn’t been a waste and I’m not a loser.

    I’m a professional defense contractor who earns well and takes care of his children and grandchildren. Believe it or not, people can think for themselves and still arbitrate rock lyrics. They can even appreciate Zappa. You’re a mental midget. Sounds like a christian one at that. Why don’t you go do what you do best. Hold your hand out and ask for someone else’s hard earned cash.

    Dan Pappas

    Comment by Dan Pappas — September 6, 2007 @ 8:49 am | Reply

  231. These guys are not listening to Frank at all. and I can’t believe your trying to suggest that Zappa supported incest and is some way supports incests when he says “I have no interest in incest” or that he is in some way a pervert. I hope his family take legal action against you. I’m glad I don’t live in America the land of the Free?

    Comment by MOG — September 6, 2007 @ 8:51 am | Reply

  232. I think what Zappa says here is what being an American is all about, and he makes the most compelling point. The government is already seizing control of our lives, and this issue is very important due to the fact that once we lose our freedom of speech, this country will no longer be free. We have a basic fundamental right to express ourselves, and the government has no business trying to regulate what we say. First, it’ll be regulations against pornography….next, it’ll be against religious beliefs. Finally, anybody who says something bad against our government will be persecuted, and our conversion to Soviet-Style oppression will be complete. You “sheeple” need to WAKE UP and realize that if your choices are taken away, your freedom will erode.

    Comment by noman2001 — September 6, 2007 @ 8:52 am | Reply

  233. I believe the problem is the censorship
    because we are all curious and take curiosity out of the equasion then
    I grew up in this time and I’m fine

    i love sex and it’s not because of rock music

    Comment by NOWTRIP E — September 6, 2007 @ 8:52 am | Reply

  234. [Ed Note: I’d respond further but your hilarious wit has made me split my sides in uncontrollable laughter. If you’re a stand up comedian I respectfully suggest that you sit down and shut up.]

    Thank you! I’ve done my job and will respectfully sit down now and “shut up and play my guitar”.

    Comment by John K. — September 6, 2007 @ 8:53 am | Reply

  235. CCCCC U U N N TTTTT C U U N N N T
    C U U N N N T
    C U U N NN T
    CCCCC UUUUU N N T

    Comment by Elliott — September 6, 2007 @ 9:04 am | Reply

  236. Serge Gainsbourg was also accused of incest because he sung a song called “Lemon Incest” with his daughter.
    Now if you cannot differentiate a sin from the artistic interpretation of a sin, you have a problem.

    Same goes with Zappa: if you cannot differentiate “Zappa supported incest” from “Zappa supported the idea of taking about incest”, you have a problem.

    This kind of idiotic thinking usually comes from:
    – people blinded by their ignorance.
    – revisionists very well aware that spreading lies and confusion could help support their personal agenda.

    Comment by Frankie — September 6, 2007 @ 9:07 am | Reply

  237. Frank Zappa is heralded as one of the 7 best composers of the 20th Century. It’s interesting how you use this video for propaganda, he was an advocate against censorship an the fact that it is Un-American. What is unfortunate here is you’re so backwards that you can’t even comprehend his position. He does not support incest,only the write to talk or sing freely about such things by using whatever words one chooses. Saying someones dead corpse should be exhumed and burned in a dumpster,well isn’t that the model for the perfect Christian…Jesus would be proud.

    Comment by Hangman — September 6, 2007 @ 9:07 am | Reply

  238. I thought Brownback was when you have anal sex with somebody without wearing a condom.

    Comment by Elliott — September 6, 2007 @ 9:08 am | Reply

  239. Frank Zappa is heralded as one of the 7 best composers of the 20th Century. It’s interesting how you use this video for propaganda, he was an advocate against censorship an the fact that it is Un-American. What is unfortunate here is you’re so backwards that you can’t even comprehend his position. He does not support incest,only the write to talk or sing freely about such things by using whatever words one chooses. Saying someones dead corpse should be exhumed and burned in a dumpster,well isn’t that the model for the perfect Christian…Jesus would be proud.

    Comment by Hangman — September 6, 2007 @ 9:09 am | Reply

  240. I suppose “Jesus” would really dig it if you could find Zappa’s body and burn it in a dumpster. If there is a “hell”, it waits for no one but Psycheout and the other fools who are filled with so much hatred for freedom, creativity and true intelligence. Hitler would be proud of all of you.
    ——————-
    DUMB ALL OVER — FZ

    Whoever we are
    Wherever we’re from
    We shoulda noticed by now
    Our behavior is dumb
    And if our chances
    Expect to improve
    It’s gonna take a lot more
    Than tryin’ to remove
    The other race
    Or the other whatever
    From the face
    Of the planet altogether
    They call it THE EARTH
    Which is a dumb kinda name
    But they named it right
    ‘Cause we behave the same…
    We are dumb all over
    Dumb all over,
    Yes we are
    Dumb all over,
    Near’n far
    Dumb all over
    Black ‘n white
    People, we is not wrapped tight
    Nurds on the left
    Nurds on the right
    Religious fanatics
    On the air every night
    Sayin’ the Bible
    Tells the story
    Makes the details
    Sound real gory
    ‘Bout what to do
    If the geeks over there
    Don’t believe in the book
    We got over here
    You can’t run a race
    Without no feet
    ‘N pretty soon
    There won’t be no street
    For dummies to jog on
    Or doggies to dog on
    Religious fanatics
    Can make it be all gone
    (I mean it won’t blow up
    ‘N disappear
    It’ll just look ugly
    For a thousand years…)
    You can’t run a country
    By a book of religion
    Not by a heap
    Or a lump or a smidgeon
    Of foolish rules
    Of ancient date
    Designed to make
    You all feel great
    While you fold, spindle
    And mutilate
    Those unbelievers
    From a neighboring state
    TO ARMS! TO ARMS!
    Hooray! That’s great
    Two legs ain’t bad
    Unless there’s a crate
    They ship the parts
    To mama in
    For souvenirs: two ears (Get down!)
    Not his, not hers (but what the hey?)
    The Good Book says:
    “It’s gotta be that way!”
    But their book says:
    “REVENGE THE CRUSADES. . .
    With whips ‘n chains
    ‘N hand grenades. . .”
    TWO ARMS? TWO ARMS?
    Have another and another
    Our Cod says:
    “There ain’t no other!”
    Our Cod says
    “It’s all okay!”
    Our God says “This is the way!”
    It says in the book:
    “Burn ‘n destroy. ..
    ‘N repent, ‘n redeem
    ‘N revenge, ‘n deploy
    ‘N rumble thee forth
    To the land of the unbelieving scum on the other side
    ‘Cause they don’t go for what’s in the book
    ‘N that makes ’em BAD
    So verily we must choppeth them up
    And stompeth them down
    Or rent a nice French bomb
    To poof them out of existence
    While leaving their real estate just where we need it
    To use again
    For temples in which to praise OURGOD
    (“Cause he can really take care of business!”)
    And when his humble TV servant
    With humble white hair
    And humble glasses
    And a nice brown suit
    And maybe a blonde wife who takes phone calls
    Tells us our God says
    It’s okay to do this stuff
    Then we gotta do it,
    ‘Cause if we don’t do it,
    We ain’t gwine up to hebbin!
    (Depending on which book you’re using at the time…
    Can’t use theirs. . .it don’t work . . .it’s all lies…Gotta use mine…)
    Ain’t that right?
    That’s what they say
    Every night…
    Everyday. ..
    Hey, we can’t really be dumb
    If we’re just following
    God’s Orders
    Hey, let’s get serious…
    God knows what he’s doin’
    He wrote this book here
    An’the book says:
    He made us all to be just like Him,”
    so…
    If we’re dumb…
    Then God is dumb…
    (An’ maybe even a little ugly on the side)

    Comment by swamizappa — September 6, 2007 @ 9:10 am | Reply

  241. I would bet that “Jesus” would really dig it if you could find Zappa’s body and burn it in a dumpster. If there is a “hell” it waits for no one but Psycheout and the other fools who are filled with so much hatred and fear of freedom, creativity, and true intelligence. I don’t know about Hitler, but Mengela would be really proud of you all. And what fool would vote for someone named BROWNBACK??? It will never happen… trust me and Jesus.

    Comment by swamizappa — September 6, 2007 @ 9:16 am | Reply

  242. If this “man” or any other republican, for that matter, happen to weasel their way into the Whitehouse for this next election, it will be because they lied and cheated; just like in the last two.

    Republicans’ views are so skewed from the norm of the actual majority of people living in this country that they actually believe their idiotic, hypoctritical, criminal, and downright dangerous way of trying to run this country into he ground is helping the people who live here live a better life?!

    Oh, wait…my bad. They’re just a bunch of money-grubbing, fakely religious, old geezers and silver spoons. They wouldn’t know the true America if it came up to them, knocked them out, and drug them off to Guantanemo for “questioning,” never to be seen again.

    Comment by Republicans suck at life — September 6, 2007 @ 9:41 am | Reply

  243. [Ed Note: Thank you for being one of the few who has made his point without resorting to profanity. Well done.]

    I appreciate the compliment. It’s useless to use jargon when trying to make a point. You just make yourself look stupid. As we all know who are TRUE Zappa fans…we are intelligent music lovers who enjoy the fact that we are able to listen to whatever we want and not care what anyone else thinks about it.

    Comment by Kipling — September 6, 2007 @ 9:58 am | Reply

  244. with a view like that, the blogger is showing such narrow-mindedness. thank goodness senator brownback has ZERO chance of becomming the next president. ZAPPA ROCKS!

    Comment by steven aloyisus — September 6, 2007 @ 10:02 am | Reply

  245. I thought Brownback was when you have anal sex with somebody without wearing a condom.

    Comment by Elliott — September 6, 2007 @ 9:08 am

    Although this comment IS pretty funny!!!

    Comment by Kipling — September 6, 2007 @ 10:02 am | Reply

  246. Serge Gainsbourg was also accused of incest because he sung a song called “Lemon Incest” with his daughter. Now if you cannot differentiate a sin from the artistic interpretation of a sin, you have a problem.

    Same goes with Zappa: if you cannot differentiate “Zappa supported incest” from “Zappa supported the idea of taking about incest”, you have a problem.

    Comment by Frankie — September 6, 2007 @ 10:10 am | Reply

  247. Dear sir, Madam Or ???,

    I realize that, in your pseud-intellectual fantasy woorld where you know “All”, you will refute MY opinion, but if you were truly 1/2 as smart as you think you are, you’d open-mindedly consider (& possibly heed) the following few paragraphs.

    Your opinion is yours, & as such, you are entitled to it (no matter how ill-informed or ignorant it proves you to be), HOWEVER, if you had actually done some more in-depth research, you would see how totally foolish your “Facts” really are.

    Note: [Frank would have probably not approved of me even responding to your attention-seeking diatribe, as it adds fuel to your childish attempt to justify and validate the uninformed, incompetently reasearched & unsubstantiated “Facts” of your “blog” (rhymes with “BOG”). }

    As the iconoclast that Frank was, he adeptly poked fun at & exposed the faults of EVERY aspect of our society…including himself (& other musicians). This is a good thing-especially in these days of “political correctness”. We, as Americans, have totally lost our collective sense of humor, &, indeed, tend to take ourselves far too seriously (e.g.: your blog). Frank exposed all of us as the self absorbed fools we tend to become when left to our own devices.

    He was (& still rremains) one of the few true “Renaissance” thinkers of our time…He was also a gifted composer & musician who will someday be recognized for his genius & his visionary art.

    Expand your tunnel-vision & see the Entire picture, not just the single pixel you intently to focus on. True Knowledge is True Power!

    And always remember, “Judge not, Lest you be Judged…” …but alas, your opinion is yours &
    you do have a God given & Constitution right to express it…just not the right to impose it on others…it is still a “Free” country, is it not?

    Regards…

    Comment by C.L. Sloan III — September 6, 2007 @ 10:24 am | Reply

  248. Right On Mr.Zappa!!
    musicians see the world in the real light that it IS. & how Scamerica has now become Scamworld.
    live your life like your an Alien in this man made society. (we are still embros on this planet)

    Comment by ray — September 6, 2007 @ 10:37 am | Reply

  249. Having had the privilege to meet Frank Zappa (twice) while I was in college, I have to say he was one of the most intelligent people that ever lived. His satirical and humorous views on the decrepitude of American society are well spoken through his music.

    While some of his songs may have dealt with issues such as incest, pornography, rape, homosexuality, various religions, etc, none of it was in serious support of anything that was damaging to mankind. Frank loved people and America. What he hated was what we (society as a whole) are doing to it.

    Frank (and now his son Dweezil) sought out the most talented, yet unknown musicians. They performed the most intricate of music that, to this day, most musicians in the rock genre could not contemplate attempting (see http://www.boguspomp.net). Most people are not even aware that Frank was the recipient of a Grammy for Best Jazz Album of the Year (yes, that’s correct….JAZZ)

    For any of you here to bash him without knowledge of him, because of some misunderstood quotes or concepts about him, is blasphemy. It is simply showing the ignorance of which he so often poked fun.

    Can this thread die now?

    Comment by CCook — September 6, 2007 @ 10:45 am | Reply

  250. OK… first why the heck are you bashing on a dead rock star? I mean, dont you have better things to do than start crap about someone who has been dead for about 15 yrs?! Zappa DID love America. Where in the hell else could he perform the way he did? Plus, he DID NOT supoort incest. Also, using profanity on national television? WTF, comedians do that all the freaking time! Yes, he music WAS weird, and that was the whole point of him creating his music like that… jesus. And if Zappa is ‘burning in hell’, Zappa already knew he was going there. What the hell did he ever do to you? All he did was make music. There is no reason in hell to exhume his body and burn it. Christ… do you have no freaking heart? Whoever the heck post that first bashing comment on Zappa must have been raised in a damn church, and if my mind serves me correctly, Zappa says if you want healthy normal children, keep them away from churches as far as possible. In conclusion, his music was intelligent, funny, and serious all rolled into one. His guitar playing was the best i’ve heard… EVER. I am only 18, but i sure as hell know good music from bad!

    Comment by Tony Moon — September 6, 2007 @ 10:48 am | Reply

  251. Frank was normal anyone that does’nt like him is NOT !!
    FZ RIP……

    camaromatt

    Comment by camaromatt — September 6, 2007 @ 10:50 am | Reply

  252. To whomever said FZ hated Amereica and al that crap. If any of you knew anything about FZ, or had actually studied what he said inseatd of a 2000 year old myth book, you might realize how asinine and stupid this entire blog is, Rock on Dr. Dot

    Comment by Ryan — September 6, 2007 @ 10:55 am | Reply

  253. Sooooo…wow. I’m simply stunned by all of this.

    I could say so many things but I guess I’ll just offer this and be on my way:
    Scoffing at disagreement without taking the time to respond in a reasoned and thoughtful manner while dehumanizing opponents is akin to what the Nazis did…I realize that point has been made, but, seriously. Shrugging off a comment and insulting the person who made it does not make you right.

    The sheer arrogance, closed-mindedness and outright hatefulness of posters such as Sisyphus, Psycheout, and the ever polite Editor baffle me. Some of your comments, e.g. the let’s-exhume-Zappa-and-burn-his-corpse-in-a-dumpster or the oh so loving posts calling some of the other posters homosexuals, are so misguided and really, quite sad.

    The posts from the majority of the guests to this blog are thoughtful and reasoned arguments, meanwhile you feel the need to belittle them by calling them morons, fornicators and a host of other terrible names…that’s quite Christian of you. I hope the view is good up there on your high horse, since I know Sisyphus has declared that we are wrong and going to hell…judge not lest ye be judged. Amazingly blatant display of hypocrisy.

    Some of you people make me ashamed to call myself both a Christian and a conservative.

    Comment by Greg — September 6, 2007 @ 10:56 am | Reply

  254. I am tired after reading all of these responses.I had no idea that christianity mirrored facism so closely. I have to agree with trendm0nger and neutronnate, when asked a direct question regarding fact, not once was one given. The only response given was more of the same closed minded rhetoric. Thanks to both of you for trying to stimulate intelligent debate.

    Frank is definately smiling…

    Comment by Zappa65 — September 6, 2007 @ 11:20 am | Reply

  255. why in the world would a blog like this attack an artist this way? he was an artist not a polititan. he did make obesrvations about politics though and the politiatians of the day. you guys are nuts to suggest that this man and his music are a concern for your political views or your trip to the heavens that you awaite. seriously, take care of your own and yourself. don’t be so judgemental. your christian right, so forgive. stop the hate. what an unfortunate comment this blogger has made.

    Comment by francesco zappo — September 6, 2007 @ 11:28 am | Reply

  256. “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.” Romans 3:23″

    Paul wrote that, not Jesus.

    “Frank Zappa is the greatest American who ever lived.”

    This is the stupidest sentence ever written.

    “CCCCC U U N N TTTTT C U U N N N T
    C U U N N N T
    C U U N NN T
    CCCCC UUUUU N N T”

    Are you alright? Are you havng some sort of a seizure?

    Comment by Sisyphus — September 6, 2007 @ 11:38 am | Reply

  257. ram it , ram it , ram it , ram it up the poop-shoot .

    Comment by cock-chaffer — September 6, 2007 @ 11:50 am | Reply

  258. why dont you worry about all the child molesting priests in the catholic church , praying on inocent children , and all the suposedly faith healers who are stealing peoples money through fraud , before you attack someone who was supporting your right to even post a blog like the one you did, if it wasnt for people like FRANK ZAPPA our rights to freedom of speach would be gone and you would be living a different life maybe soneone like you would be living in a gulag in siberia being somones bitch !!

    Comment by cragger — September 6, 2007 @ 12:10 pm | Reply

  259. “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.”
    So you use this as an excuse to continue your hatred and sinful ways. Mind your step friend.

    Comment by francesco zappo — September 6, 2007 @ 12:29 pm | Reply

  260. Freaking die, you stupid freak

    Comment by Elk — September 6, 2007 @ 12:41 pm | Reply

  261. I thought that was an excellent debate, and John Lofton clearly dislikes not only Frank Zappa’s views, opinions, and music, but opposes him as a person. Now it is one thing to say that Frank says some dirty and very descriptive things. He does indeed have some lyrics which some may find questionable. But they are far from being “demonic” or evil. Frank was a true artist. He was also a very intelligent individual as well as a free thinker.

    On the other side of the debate, John Lofton is a closed minded and extreme conservative who clearly would approve of mind control and is the perfect likeness of “Big Brother” from George Orwell’s book 1984. He would prefer we live in an oppressive society where anything found distasteful would be banned, and anyone who distributed such things would pay an ultimate price/penalty.

    I myself am not a fanatic of Frank Zappa’s work, but I can appreciate it for the thought provoking work that it is. It may be distasteful at times, but I appreciate that. It may seem weird to many, but I appreciate that. And the fact that I can choose what I want to listen to, whether it be distasteful to others or not, is what makes America the land of the FREE. If you don’t like his work, you don’t have to listen to it. You don’t have to buy his work. But you have to respect what his ideals stand for, or you might as well be living in a prison where all that you experience is controlled or illegal.

    Comment by Rod S — September 6, 2007 @ 12:47 pm | Reply

  262. Well, I see that ignorance is alive and well…no surprise there. BAAAAH BAAAAH BAAAAAAAH

    Whether you enjoy his music or not, Zappa is recognized as a serious artist, deservedly so. The body/span of work is pretty impressive…and some of it might be over your head.

    Here’s some food for thought: Once upon a time when mixed politics and religion…AND people were burned at the stake.

    Once again, the sheeple are giving religion a bad name!

    PATHETIC.

    Comment by genrebuster — September 6, 2007 @ 1:01 pm | Reply

  263. If anyone was using ad hominem attacks it was that John Lofton guy from the Washington Times. I must say that while some of Zappa’s views are extreme, he absolutely dominated the debate.

    Comment by nick — September 6, 2007 @ 1:07 pm | Reply

  264. This is why I hate being a Christian. I have to be lumped in with assholes like the dude that wrote this blog. I’m a Christian and I love Frank Zappa. IMAGINE THAT?!?!?!?

    Comment by nick — September 6, 2007 @ 1:13 pm | Reply

  265. Personally, I’m impressed that anyone with such a narrow mind is able to write a blog at all…though personally I find it difficult to be offended by the opinions of anyone who has to watch Rush Limbaugh with their pants off.

    Comment by Zappa221 — September 6, 2007 @ 1:25 pm | Reply

  266. Leave the dead for what they are. Zappa was just a funny guy who also just made damn good music. It is up to everyone whether to appreciate his kind of humor or not……If you might not like it that is up to you, but it is pure cowardness that you insult him after his death (you should have out-debated him when he was still alive, but I guess you just couldn’t have done that in the first place, since you seem to lack intelligence and humor).

    Comment by Reswati — September 6, 2007 @ 1:33 pm | Reply

  267. Frank Zappa Was a great american. One who should be used as an example to define the so called demo-crass-y that this country was build on. freedom. and justice for all. it is so egotistical of people to try to control others by censorship. zappa was not only a musical GENIUS! but a awesome politician as well. look what he did for the czech repubilc!! Dont know, look it up. and while your at it look up the first amendment. not the second or the thrid, but THE FIRST. these suit and tie fat freaks have hairy palms, and molest their own children. notice the resemblances of genius in frank amoungst popular geniuses, and the resemblances of child molesters and rapists, not just sexual rapists but political, marketing, mind rapists, and you’ll see similarities to the other guys. it’s not coincidence!! FLAKES!! FLAKES!! WE”RE HUNGRY FREAKS DADDY!!!!! CALL ANY VEGITABLE, THEY”LL AGREE!!!! OPEN YOUR MIND!!! DON”T BE SUCH A TOOL TO THE SYSTEM. DON”T BELIEVE WHAT THEY PRINT IN THEIR PAPERS, DON”T BELIEVE WHAT THE PUT ON YOUR TELEVISIONS. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!!! DRAWL YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS!!

    Comment by Dr. Yobb — September 6, 2007 @ 1:37 pm | Reply

  268. The very name of this blog raises questions in my mind……brownback, does that have anything to do with shoddy diapers, a poopoo fetish community…..Eintracht Braunhemd und die 7 Nazis maybe.

    Although the writes of this blog oppose drugs it makes me wonder what substance they were on. Truly natural born weirdos, can’t make more of your logic. if you were this way beeing in europe you would possibly end up in a religious nutcase freakshow at dinnertime.

    Comment by Kathuul — September 6, 2007 @ 1:46 pm | Reply

  269. Sisyphus and Psychout are the reason why the world hates America despite the fact that most of us Americans don’t share their bigoted views.
    They sure love censorship and altering blogs though, the very thing Zappa stood up against. Thats the real reason these two cretinous charlatans started this blog page.

    Comment by spacebrother — September 6, 2007 @ 2:04 pm | Reply

  270. only a Dyslectic could write as much shite as you, psycheout!!!!

    Comment by Von Geigenhausen — September 6, 2007 @ 2:45 pm | Reply

  271. After having read most of the comments here, I don’t quite know where to start. Here’s my best effort. First of all, Mr. Zappa is not supporting incest in this clip. He is supporting free speech, and the rights of musicians to record songs about whatever they see fit. Around the same time, Mr. Zappa testified before Congress during the PMRC hearings-along with John Denver. Both men made statements supporting the freedom of musicians to record and release music.
    Secondly, the level of discourse here is disappointing, to say the least. When one side raises a potentially valid point, the other responds not by addressing it, but with name-calling. What could be a potentially interesting discussion regarding freedom of speech and expression has degenerated into a mud-slinging session. And finally, I think there is no shortage of more useful things to discuss than a 21-year-old clip from Crossfire. Of all the things going on in the world today (war, famine, poverty, genocide), I would think that this should ultimately rank pretty low in terms of priority. That’s all for now.

    Comment by PIPCO — September 6, 2007 @ 4:12 pm | Reply

  272. You have every right to say what you think but you have to narrow a view of Mr Zappa. He was funny, caring, hugely intelligent and a musical genius, and im sure his wife and four children loved and miss him terribly. He was taken to young and is missed by many. I for one would love to know what he, John Lennon, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Curt Cobain, Robert Calvert, Janis Joplin, et al have to say about what is going on in the northern hemisphere of this world of ours. WHO SINGS PROTEST SONGS NOW HUH? It sure as hell aint Britney or x factor.

    Are we having a good time yet?

    Comment by Steve — September 6, 2007 @ 4:32 pm | Reply

  273. PS – Just remember there is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over!
    Viva Zappa

    Love and Peace

    MindfooD

    Comment by Steve — September 6, 2007 @ 4:34 pm | Reply

  274. If everyone worried about their own problems as much as they worry about other people, the world would be a lot better off.
    Zappa speaks truth.
    1st amendment

    Comment by Bobby Brown — September 6, 2007 @ 4:47 pm | Reply

  275. conservatives… the only people I know filled with as much hate and ignorance as an islamist. You people belong in pre wwII germany for all the love you spew. Frank was expressing how we all live in AMERICA, and the we can say what we want. I feel that only people who fear the truth are offended by it. You right-wing conservatives, what are you afraid of? That your religion is bullpoop? That you arent as smart as the guys on the other side of the aisle? I’m registered independant, because I think for myself,,,, you darned republicans… everywhere I go… republicans seem to be synonymous with retard. Censorship, like you are supporting here, belongs in china. I, for one, am happy to live here in the land of the free and the brave… you republicans… if you dont believe 100% of 10 amendments, should go do what cheney espouses… go **** yourself.

    Comment by chris — September 6, 2007 @ 5:04 pm | Reply

  276. *@#$ you Frank Zappa is the *@#$!!!! I don’t give a *@#$. FREEDOM OF SPEECH. what are you going to get mad about what i say not what i do

    [Ed Note: Well said, enraged monkey boy.]

    Comment by Brent — September 6, 2007 @ 5:52 pm | Reply

  277. If you think Zappa was a liberal, your definitions of “conservative” and liberal” are totally screwed up. Frank Zappa was a very outspoken Constitutional Conservative. He believed in peoples individual rights, and a smaller, less intrusive government. The basic point Frank tries to make in that video is that the GOVERNMENT does not (and should not) have the right to decide what I can and cannot see, hear, and say. That decision should be mine, and mine alone. If an artist feels like writing a song about incest, that’s his choice. Your choice is to not listen to it. If you want to organize a protest against it, and speak out about how much you hate it, go ahead. That’s your choice. But the government has no right to ban such material.

    “I disapprove of what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.”
    -Voltaire

    And, speaking as a classically educated musician….Frank was an absolute musical genius. Decades ahead of his time.

    Comment by SilentTuba — September 6, 2007 @ 7:25 pm | Reply

  278. Uh….Sisyphus? Why have you chosen the name of a Greek King, condemned to Greek Hell? This is not biblical.

    Comment by Colin Miller — September 6, 2007 @ 7:31 pm | Reply

  279. http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070904/480/5ca0cf5624ad4cb59c18a7e2ebe0f469

    Comment by William H. Daniels — September 6, 2007 @ 7:34 pm | Reply

  280. America isn’t about blind obedience to authority. Frank Zappa’s Sicilian heritage must have helped prepare him for confronting hypocrisy and corruption here in America. That makes him a threat to the status quo, much like Jesus was in his day. To have a great society you need hard work and obedience as well as mechanisms for challenging and stopping when we’re on the wrong path. I drive a car with both a gas pedal and a brake. The brake goes against what the gas pedal is trying to do and only takes away from my momentum and gas mileage, does that make it evil? Unpatriotic? Balance requires opposing forces, like yin and yang. Your body is a harmonious mixture of hard and soft working together for the common good. An Earth filled with Zappas would probably be a bad thing, but so would an Earth filled with Falwells or Pat Robertsons.

    Some of Frank Zappa’s music is way out there. It doesn’t fit a mold, and that makes us who listen to it guilty by association. It encourages us to be different. That makes us more difficult to give orders to, get up at 5AM in the six figure suburban home, kiss the 2.5 kids and the wife goodbye, go to work in an SUV to the office, stick it to the subordinates, take all the credit to get a better raise and more responsibility and prestige, and learn to play and love golf. It works for some people but for others it’s hell.

    Comment by Ronald — September 6, 2007 @ 8:44 pm | Reply

  281. Music is the best. So kiss my f@*#ing ass all that are bashing on Mr. Zappa

    Comment by Jeremy — September 6, 2007 @ 9:23 pm | Reply

  282. Hey Ed Note (you love that monkey boy and you know it!): You’ll probably choke on a BURNT WEENIE SANDWICH with Psycheout, Brownback, Catholic pedophiles, Muslim homos, future Virginia Tech mass murderers, etc. You won’t win in this blog or in politics. I’m here to protect the truth about Frank… a nice man who loved his wife and children and did not rape his daughters or anyone else, was not a hippie and never took drugs. He told the truth about STUPIDITY and we love him for that. How much longer will you and your cohorts in bad taste prove that you are the STUPID ones? This is really pitiful… on both sides… I’m not impressed with profanity in either direction, so DUMMY UP people! I love you all! Right…

    Comment by swamizappa — September 6, 2007 @ 9:29 pm | Reply

  283. Um so it seems you buy into the whole Christianity thing but have you ever read the Bible? Are you capable of logical conclusions? If someone gave you a clear argument that is truly valid, would you understand and agree?

    I doubt it…for your bladder and him, it’s too hot for you where he is.

    With that in mind it suffices to say you can’t go someplace warm or your pussy would melt and you wouldn’t be able to pee… Zappa is too awesome to have your rotten melting unsexuality drip on him… good thing for your bladder and him you don’t want to go where he is (under your assumptions).

    Comment by Dot — September 6, 2007 @ 11:37 pm | Reply

  284. “ram it , ram it , ram it , ram it up the poop-shoot .”

    Sure. This man was not a pervert. Sure.

    “only a Dyslectic could write as much shite as you, psycheout!!!!”

    Spoken like a true Dyslexic.

    “Uh….Sisyphus? Why have you chosen the name of a Greek King, condemned to Greek Hell? This is not biblical.”

    No, but arguing with you people sure makes me feel like him sometimes.

    “Um so it seems you buy into the whole Christianity thing but have you ever read the Bible? Are you capable of logical conclusions? If someone gave you a clear argument that is truly valid, would you understand and agree?”

    Yes, yes, and yes. Unfortunately, clear argument is in short supply on this thread. Plenty of ad hominems and profanity, little in the way of logical argument.

    Comment by Sisyphus — September 7, 2007 @ 9:03 am | Reply

  285. OKAY, YOU HAVE MY FULL ATTENTION THEN:

    PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS GENTLEMEN,
    LET’S MEET AT ZAPPA’S GRAVE WHERE I SHALL GIVE YOU A SHOVEL SO YOU CAN EXHUME AND BURN THE BODY, LIKE YOU WANTED IT TO. OF COURSE I WILL FILM THIS AND PUT IT ON YOUTUBE FOR YOUR GLORY AND THE WHOLE WORLD TO SEE. YOU CAN ALSO EXPLAIN WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO THE FREE POLICE ESCORT THAT I WILL PROVIDE TO YOU, YOU CAN TELL THEM THAT YOU DID THIS ON A MISSION FROM GOD, THEY WILL RESPECT THAT,YOU BET. DOING THIS YOU WILL TRULY PROVE THAT YOU ARE NOT A WEIRD HIPPIE BUT A LAW ABIDING GOD FEARING CITIZEN.

    LOTS OF LOVE AND RESPECT.

    Comment by Blackback — September 7, 2007 @ 9:45 am | Reply

  286. Kill the weirdos, do it do it do it.
    America needs gas chambers and Gestapo, alles aufräumen, kaputtschieSSen.
    All hippies must die, die, die
    The world shall be tortured and chastised and shall burn,
    vote for the Fourth Reich
    Sysyphus, you have lovely thighs,
    thanks for beeing a good friend!

    Comment by Adolf Hitler — September 7, 2007 @ 9:55 am | Reply

  287. OKAY, YOU HAVE MY FULL ATTENTION THEN:

    PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS GENTLEMEN,
    LET’S MEET AT ZAPPA’S GRAVE WHERE I SHALL GIVE YOU A SHOVEL SO YOU CAN EXHUME AND BURN THE BODY, LIKE YOU WANTED IT TO. OF COURSE I WILL FILM THIS AND PUT IT ON YOUTUBE FOR YOUR GLORY AND THE WHOLE WORLD TO SEE. YOU CAN ALSO EXPLAIN WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO THE FREE POLICE ESCORT THAT I WILL PROVIDE TO YOU, YOU CAN TELL THEM THAT YOU DID THIS ON A MISSION FROM GOD, THEY WILL RESPECT THAT,YOU BET. DOING THIS YOU WILL TRULY PROVE THAT YOU ARE NOT A WEIRD HIPPIE BUT A LAW ABIDING GOD FEARING CITIZEN.

    LOTS OF LOVE AND RESPECT.

    Comment by Blackback — September 7, 2007 @ 9:57 am | Reply

  288. The Unitied States is supposed to be the most liberated country. Although this country is the most prudent country in the world. The bible pushers want to suppress all information that maybe be lewd, but in all reality the bible has some of the most lewd and disgraceful acts in it. I guess they just want forget about the prostituition, incest, rape, murder,and other uncany things. If you the government wants to censure free speech they might as well censure free thought.

    Comment by Andy — September 7, 2007 @ 10:20 am | Reply

  289. Dear Sisyphus,

    heard you complain about “Plenty of ad hominems and profanity”
    In the beginning of this blog you speak about:”We should exhume his body and burn it in a dumpster”.

    According to any logical thinking human, desecrating a body and then burning it, is VERY VERY profane.

    You also write that “Spammers should be shot”
    As far as I know, killing is a sin.
    Shame on you for calling yourself a Christian

    Comment by Reswati — September 7, 2007 @ 11:39 am | Reply

  290. “According to any logical thinking human…”

    With that sentence fragment there you’ve just excluded Sisyphus. Remember that he is the person that think subatomic particles make moral choices, and that protons are Satan’s answer to the Godly electrons.

    “Spammers should be shot”

    He’s a Christian. Christians are the most compassionate people on Earth; so compassionate that they encourage the mass murder of entire groups of people.

    Comment by Adam Nelson — September 7, 2007 @ 12:00 pm | Reply

  291. SCREW YOU ZAPPA RULES. WHY WOULD YOU BASH ZAPPA? FAG!

    Comment by AL GORE — September 7, 2007 @ 1:10 pm | Reply

  292. Lol, Adam……

    Comment by Reswati — September 7, 2007 @ 5:21 pm | Reply

  293. I suppose it was only a matter of time before one of your sub-species became literate enought to post. You were quite obviously dropped at birth.

    Comment by indicadave — September 7, 2007 @ 6:17 pm | Reply

  294. Whatever. Brownback isn’t even getting the nomination. Its conservative religeous zealotry thats screwed this country up to this point and the backlash will not be pretty.

    Comment by Bobby Brown — September 7, 2007 @ 6:26 pm | Reply

  295. YOU ARE A FLYING blue meanieTARD!!!!

    Comment by Yo' Mutha — September 7, 2007 @ 9:18 pm | Reply

  296. Well, I was going to write something, but Zappa Fans seem to have said it all. Withhout Frank, I would not be the great person I am today. Anybody who would write “We should exhume his body and burn it in a dumpster” is much more dispicable person than Mr. Zappa.

    [Ed Note: So you didn’t write something? Wait, I’m confused.]

    Comment by EC Carolan — September 7, 2007 @ 9:59 pm | Reply

  297. [Ed Note: how about you actually debate posts instead of altering them and inserting these pathetic ED NOTE tags?]

    Comment by Adam Nelson — September 7, 2007 @ 10:49 pm | Reply

  298. I’m finding it yet another surprise that I have some unusual degree of endurance I wouldn’t have expected to have as evidenced by my ability to have read this entire page. This is something that the lowest of rotgut yellow tabloid journals would refuse to publish if only because even they had a bottom they wouldn’t sink lower than. Not so for this blog! But people took the bait and believed it worth commenting on or arguing with. It can be said that at least *trash* represents something that was at one time of use. Not so here!

    The only truly regrettable here is that decent people thought it worth their time to keep it afloat rather than letting it sink into oblivion.

    Hah! And I even wasted a few sentences on this putrid slop too!

    Comment by Batchain — September 8, 2007 @ 3:13 am | Reply

  299. Ed: Kiss our ASSES, you right wing PRICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Frank Zappa RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by Perez Hilton — September 8, 2007 @ 3:31 am | Reply

  300. AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT :
    Platypus
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    For other uses, see Platypus (disambiguation).
    Platypus[1]

    Conservation status

    Least Concern (IUCN) [2]
    Scientific classification
    Kingdom: Animalia
    Phylum: Chordata
    Class: Mammalia
    Order: Monotremata
    Family: Ornithorhynchidae
    Genus: Ornithorhynchus
    Blumenbach, 1800
    Species: O. anatinus
    Binomial name
    Ornithorhynchus anatinus
    (Shaw, 1799)
    Platypus range (indicated by darker shading)
    Platypus range (indicated by darker shading)[3]

    The Platypus (Ornithorhynchus anatinus) is a semi-aquatic mammal endemic to eastern Australia, including Tasmania. Together with the four species of echidna, it is one of the five extant species of monotremes, the only mammals that lay eggs instead of giving birth to live young. It is the sole living representative of its family (Ornithorhynchidae) and genus (Ornithorhynchus), though a number of related species have been found in the fossil record.

    The bizarre appearance of this egg-laying, duck-billed mammal baffled European naturalists when they first encountered it, with some considering it an elaborate fraud. It is one of the few venomous mammals; the male Platypus has a spur on the hind foot which delivers a poison capable of causing severe pain to humans. The unique features of the Platypus make it an important subject in the study of evolutionary biology and a recognizable and iconic symbol of Australia; it has appeared as a mascot at national events and is featured on the reverse of the Australian 20 cent coin.

    Until the early 20th century it was hunted for its fur, but it is now protected throughout its range. Although captive breeding programs have had only limited success and the Platypus is vulnerable to the effects of pollution, it is not under any immediate threat.
    Contents
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    * 1 Taxonomy and etymology
    * 2 Description
    o 2.1 Venom
    o 2.2 Electrolocation
    * 3 Ecology and behaviour
    o 3.1 Reproduction
    * 4 In mammalian evolution
    * 5 Conservation status
    * 6 In popular culture
    * 7 See also
    * 8 Notes
    * 9 References
    * 10 External links

    [edit] Taxonomy and etymology

    When the Platypus was first discovered by Europeans in 1798, a pelt and sketch were sent back to the United Kingdom by Captain John Hunter, the second Governor of New South Wales.[4] The British scientists were at first convinced that the odd collection of physical attributes must have been a hoax.[3] George Shaw, who produced the first description of the animal in the Naturalist’s Miscellany in 1799 stated that it was impossible not to entertain doubts as to its genuine nature, and Robert Knox believed it may have been produced by some Asian taxidermist.[5] It was thought that somebody had sewn a duck’s beak onto the body of a beaver-like animal. Shaw even took a pair of scissors to the dried skin to check for stitches.[3]

    The common name, Platypus, is Latin derived from the Greek words πλατύς (“platys”, flat, broad) and πους (“pous”, foot), meaning “flat foot”.[6] Shaw assigned it as a Linnaean genus name when he initially described it, but the term was quickly discovered to already belong to the wood-boring ambrosia beetle (genus Platypus).[7] It was independently described as Ornithorhynchus paradoxus by Johann Blumenbach in 1800 (from a specimen given to him by Sir Joseph Banks)[8] and following the rules of priority of nomenclature it was later officially recognised as Ornithorhynchus anatinus.[7] The scientific name Ornithorhynchus is derived from ορνιθόρυγχος (“ornithorhynkhos”), which literally means “bird snout” in Greek, and anatinus which means “duck-like” in Latin.

    There is no universally agreed upon plural of “platypus” in the English language. Scientists generally use “platypuses” or simply “platypus”. Colloquially, “platypi” is also used for the plural, although this is pseudo-Latin.[3] Early British settlers called it by many names, such as watermole, duckbill, and duckmole.[3] The name “Platypus” is often prefixed with the adjective “duck-billed” to form Duck-billed Platypus, despite there being only one species of Platypus.[9]

    [edit] Description

    The body and the broad, flat tail of the Platypus are covered with dense brown fur that traps a layer of insulating air to keep the animal warm.[3][7] The Platypus uses its tail for storage of fat reserves, an adaptation it shares with the Tasmanian Devil.[10] It has webbed feet and a large, rubbery snout; these are features that appear closer to those of a duck than to those of any known mammal. The webbing is more significant on the front feet and is folded back when walking on land.[7] Unlike a bird’s beak (in which both the upper and lower parts of the beak separate to reveal its mouth), the snout of the Platypus is a sensory organ with the mouth on the underside. The nostrils are located on the dorsal surface of the snout while the eyes and ears are located in a groove set just back from it; this groove is closed when swimming.[7] Platypuses have been heard to emit a low growl when disturbed and a range of other vocalisations have been reported in captive specimens.[3]
    A colour print of platypuses from 1863
    A colour print of platypuses from 1863

    Weight varies considerably from 700 g (1.54 lb) to 2.4 kg (5.3 lb) with males being larger than females: males average 50 cm (20 in) total length while females average 43 cm (17 in).[7] There is substantial variation in average size from one region to another, and this pattern does not seem to follow any particular climatic rule and may be due to other environmental factors such as predation and human encroachment.[11]

    The Platypus has an average body temperature of 31–32 °C (88–90 °F) rather than the 37 °C (100 °F) typical of placental mammals.[12] Research suggests this has been a gradual adaptation to harsh environmental conditions on the part of the small number of surviving monotreme species rather than a historical characteristic of monotremes.[13][14]

    Modern Platypus young have three-cusped molars which they lose before or just after leaving the breeding burrow;[15][16] adults have heavily keratinised pads in their place.[7] The Platypus jaw is constructed differently from that of other mammals, and the jaw opening muscle is different.[7] As in all true mammals, the tiny bones that conduct sound in the middle ear are fully incorporated into the skull, rather than lying in the jaw as in cynodonts and other pre-mammalian synapsids. However, the external opening of the ear still lies at the base of the jaw.[7] The Platypus has extra bones in the shoulder girdle, including an interclavicle, which is not found in other mammals.[7] It has a reptilian gait, with legs that are on the sides of the body, rather than underneath.[7]

    [edit] Venom

    Main article: Platypus venom

    The calcaneus spur found on the male’s hind limb is used to deliver venom.
    The calcaneus spur found on the male’s hind limb is used to deliver venom.

    The male Platypus has venomous ankle spurs which produce a cocktail of venom, composed largely of defensin-like proteins (DLPs), which is unique to the Platypus.[17] Although powerful enough to kill smaller animals,[17] the venom is not lethal to humans, but does produce excruciating pain; so intense that the victim may be incapacitated. Oedema rapidly develops around the wound and gradually spreads throughout the affected limb. Information obtained from case histories and anecdotal evidence indicates that the pain develops into a long-lasting hyperalgesia that persists for days or even months.[18][19] Venom is produced in the crural glands of the male, which are kidney-shaped alveolar glands connected by a thin-walled duct to a calcaneus spur on each hind limb. The female Platypus, in common with echidnas, has rudimentary spur buds which do not develop (dropping off before the end of their first year) and lack functional crural glands.[7]

    The venom appears to have a different function from those produced by non-mammalian species: its effects are non-life threatening but nevertheless powerful enough to seriously impair the victim. Since only males produce venom and production rises during the breeding season it is theorized that it is used as an offensive weapon to assert dominance during this period.[17]

    [edit] Electrolocation

    Monotremes are the only mammals known to have a sense of electroreception: they locate their prey in part by detecting electric fields generated by muscular contractions. The Platypus’ electroreception is the most sensitive of any monotreme.[20]

    The electroreceptors are located in rostro-caudal rows in the skin of the bill, while mechanoreceptors (which detect touch) are uniformly distributed across the bill. The electrosensory area of the cerebral cortex is contained within the tactile somatosensory area, and some cortical cells receive input from both electroreceptors and mechanoreceptors, suggesting a close association between the tactile and electric senses. Both electroreceptors and mechanoreceptors in the bill dominate the somatotopic map of the platypus brain, in the same way human hands dominate the Panfield homunculus map.[21][22]

    The Platypus can determine the direction of an electric source, perhaps by comparing differences in signal strength across the sheet of electroreceptors. This would explain the animal’s characteristic side-to-side motion of its head while hunting. The cortical convergence of electrosensory and tactile inputs suggests a mechanism for determining the distance of prey items which, when they move, emit both electrical signals and mechanical pressure pulses, which would also allow for computation of distance from the difference in time of arrival of the two signals.[20]

    The Platypus feeds by digging in the bottom of streams with its bill. The electroreceptors could be used to distinguish animate and inanimate objects in this situation (in which the mechanoreceptors would be continuously stimulated).[20] When disturbed, its prey would generate tiny electrical currents in their muscular contractions which the sensitive electroreceptors of the Platypus could detect. Experiments have shown that the Platypus will even react to an ‘artificial shrimp’ if a small electrical current is passed through it.[23]

    [edit] Ecology and behaviour
    The platypus is very hard to spot even on the surface of a river.
    The platypus is very hard to spot even on the surface of a river.

    The Platypus is semi-aquatic, inhabiting small streams and rivers over an extensive range from the cold highlands of Tasmania and the Australian Alps to the tropical rainforests of coastal Queensland as far north as the base of the Cape York Peninsula.[24] Inland, its distribution is not well known: it is extinct in South Australia (barring an introduced population on Kangaroo Island)[25] and is no longer found in the main part of the Murray-Darling Basin, possibly due to the declining water quality brought about by extensive land clearing and irrigation schemes.[26] Along the coastal river systems, its distribution is unpredictable; it appears to be absent from some relatively healthy rivers, and yet maintains a presence in others that are quite degraded (the lower Maribyrnong, for example).[27]

    In captivity Platypuses have survived to seventeen years of age and wild specimens have been recaptured at eleven years old. Mortality rates for adults in the wild appear to be low.[7] Natural predators include snakes, water rats, goannas, hawks, owls and eagles. Low Platypus numbers in the northern Australia are possibly due to predation by crocodiles.[28] The introduction of red foxes as a predator for rabbits may have had some impact on its numbers on the mainland.[11] The Platypus is generally regarded as nocturnal and crepuscular, but individuals are also active during the day, particularly when the sky is overcast.[29][30] Its habitat bridges rivers and the riparian zone for both a food supply of prey species and banks where it can dig resting and nesting burrows.[30] It may have a range of up to 7 km (4.4 mi) with male’s home ranges overlapping with those of 3 or 4 females.[31]

    The Platypus is an excellent swimmer and spends much of its time in the water foraging for food. When swimming it can be distinguished from other Australian mammals by the absence of visible ears.[32] Uniquely among mammals it propels itself when swimming by alternate rowing motion with the front two feet; although all four feet of the Platypus are webbed, the hind feet (which are held against the body) do not assist in propulsion, but are used for steering in combination with the tail.[33] The species is endothermic, maintaining its low body temperature, even while foraging for hours in water below 5 °C (41 °F).[7]

    Dives normally last around 30 seconds, but can last longer although few exceed the estimated aerobic limit of 40 seconds. 10 to 20 seconds are commonly spent in recovery at the surface.[34][35] The Platypus is a carnivore: it feeds on annelid worms and insect larvae, freshwater shrimps, and yabbies (freshwater crayfish) that it digs out of the riverbed with its snout or catches while swimming. It utilizes cheek-pouches to carry prey to the surface where they are eaten.[32] The Platypus needs to eat about 20% of its own weight each day. This requires the Platypus to spend an average of 12 hours each day looking for food.[34] When not in the water, the Platypus retires to a short, straight resting burrow of oval cross-section, nearly always in the riverbank not far above water level, and often hidden under a protective tangle of roots.[32]

    [edit] Reproduction

    When the Platypus was first discovered scientists were divided over whether the female laid eggs. This was not confirmed until 1884 when W.H. Caldwell was sent to Australia where, after extensive searching assisted by a team of 150 aborigines, he managed to discover a few eggs.[7][17] Mindful of the high cost of wiring England based on the cost per word, Caldwell famously but tersely wired London, “Monotremes oviparous, ovum meroblastic.” That is, monotremes lay eggs. The yolk is absorbed by the developing young.[36]

    The species exhibits a single breeding season, with mating occurring between June and October, with some local variation taking place in populations across the extent of its range.[28] Historical observation, mark and recapture studies and preliminary investigations of population genetics indicate the possibility of resident and transient members of populations and suggest a polygynous mating system.[37] Females are thought likely to become sexually mature in their second year, with breeding confirmed to still take place in animals over nine years old.[37]

    Outside the mating season, the Platypus lives in a simple ground burrow whose entrance is about 30 cm (1 ft) above the water level. After mating, the female constructs a deeper, more elaborate burrow up to 20 m (66 ft) long and blocked with plugs at intervals (which may act as a safeguard against rising waters or predators, or as a method of regulating humidity and temperature).[38] The male takes no part in caring for its young, and retreats to its yearlong burrow. The female softens the ground in the burrow with dead, folded, wet leaves and she fills the nest at the end of the tunnel with fallen leaves and reeds for bedding material. This material is dragged to the nest by tucking it underneath her curled tail.[3]

    The female Platypus has a pair of ovaries but only the left one is functional.[29] It lays one to three (usually two) small, leathery eggs (similar to those of reptiles), that are about 11 mm (7/16 inches) in diameter and slightly rounder than bird eggs.[39] The eggs develop in utero for about 28 days with only about 10 days of external incubation (in contrast to a chicken egg which spends about 1 day in tract and 21 days externally).[29] After laying her eggs, the female curls around them. The incubation period is separated into three parts. In the first, the embryo has no functional organs and relies on the yolk sac for sustenance. During the second, the digits develop, and in the last, the egg tooth appears.[40]

    The newly hatched young are vulnerable, blind, and hairless, and are fed by the mother’s milk. Although possessing mammary glands, the Platypus lacks teats. Instead, milk is released through pores in the skin. There are grooves on her abdomen that form pools of milk, allowing the young to lap it up.[3][28] After they hatch, the offspring are suckled for three to four months. During incubation and weaning, the mother initially only leaves the burrow for short periods to forage. When doing so, she creates a number of thin soil plugs along the length of burrow possibly to protect the young from predators; pushing past these on her return forces water from her fur and allows the burrow to remain dry.[41] After about five weeks, the mother begins to spend more time away from her young and at around four months the young emerge from the burrow.[28]

    [edit] In mammalian evolution
    Platypus skeleton
    Platypus skeleton

    The Platypus and other monotremes were very poorly understood for many years and some of the 19th century myths that grew up around them, for example, that the monotremes were “inferior” or quasi-reptilian, still endure.[42] It is now generally accepted that modern monotremes are the survivors of an early branching of the mammal tree; a later branching is thought to have led to the marsupial and placental groups.[43][42] Although in 1947, William King Gregory had theorized that placental mammals and marsupials may have diverged earlier with a subsequent branching dividing the monotremes and marsupials, later research and fossil discoveries have suggested this is incorrect.[42][44]

    The oldest discovered fossil of the modern Platypus dates back to about 100,000 years ago, during the Quaternary period. The extinct monotremes (Teinolophos and Steropodon) were closely related to the modern Platypus.[44] The fossilised Steropodon was discovered in New South Wales and is composed of an opalised lower jawbone with three molar teeth (whereas the adult contemporary Platypus is toothless). The molar teeth were initially thought to be tribosphenic which would have supported a variation of Gregory’s theory, but later research has suggested while they have three cusps they evolved under a separate process.[15] The fossil is thought to be about 110 million years old, which means that the Platypus-like animal was alive during the Cretaceous period, making it the oldest mammal fossil found in Australia. Monotrematum sudamericanum, another fossil relative of the Platypus has been found in Argentina, indicating that monotremes were present in the supercontinent of Gondwana when the continents of South America and Australia were joined via Antarctica (up to about 167 million years ago).[15][45]

    Because of the early divergence from the therian mammals and the low numbers of extant monotreme species, it is a frequent subject of research in evolutionary biology. In 2004, researchers at the Australian National University discovered the Platypus has ten sex chromosomes, compared to two (XY) found in most other mammals (for instance, a male Platypus is always XYXYXYXYXY). Furthermore, one of the Platypus’ Y chromosomes shares genes with the ZZ/ZW sex chromosomes found in birds. This news further pronounced the individuality of the Platypus in the animal kingdom.[46] However it lacks the mammalian sex-determining gene SRY, meaning that the process of sex determination in the Platypus remains unknown.[47]

    [edit] Conservation status

    Except for its loss from the state of South Australia, the Platypus occupies the same general distribution as it did prior to European settlement of Australia. However, local changes and fragmentation of distribution due to human modification of its habitat are documented. Its current and historical abundance, however, is less well known and it has probably declined in numbers, although still being considered as common over most of its current range.[30] The species was extensively hunted for its fur until the early years of the 20th century and, although protected throughout Australia in 1905,[41] up until about 1950 it was still at risk of drowning in the nets of inland fisheries.[26] The Platypus does not appear to be in immediate danger of extinction thanks to conservation measures, but it could be impacted by habitat disruption caused by dams, irrigation, pollution, netting and trapping.[2] The IUCN lists the Platypus on its Red List as Least Concern.[2]
    A depiction of a Platypus from a book for children published in Germany in 1798
    A depiction of a Platypus from a book for children published in Germany in 1798

    A fungal infection poses a possible threat to Platypuses in Tasmania. The fungus, Mucor amphiborum causes ulceration on the body that can lead to problems with thermoregulation and death from secondary infections. The same fungus so far causes no problems to the Platypus on the Australian mainland. The Tasmania Parks and Wildlife Service and Biodiversity Conservation Branch Department of Primary Industries and Water are collaborating to monitor the effects of the infection on the Platypus population in Tasmania.[48] Platypuses in Tasmania tend to be larger than those found in the mainland of Australia, possibly because of the lack of introduced predators. The failure to establish the red fox in particular is theorized to be a contributing factor to both the greater average size and abundance of the Platypus in the state.[11]

    Much of the world was introduced to the Platypus in 1939 when National Geographic magazine published an article on the Platypus and the efforts to study and raise it in captivity. This is a difficult task, and only a few young have been successfully raised since — notably at Healesville Sanctuary in Victoria. The leading figure in these efforts was David Fleay who established a platypussary — a simulated stream in a tank — at the Healesville Sanctuary and had a successful breeding in 1943. In 1972, he found a dead baby of about 50 days old, which had presumably been born in captivity, at his wildlife park at Burleigh Heads on the Gold Coast, Queensland.[49] Healesville repeated its success in 1998 and again in 2000 with a similar stream tank. Taronga Zoo in Sydney bred twins in 2003, and had another birth in 2006.[50]

    [edit] In popular culture

    The Platypus is sometimes jokingly referred to as proof that God has a sense of humour (at the beginning of the film Dogma for example). Its unusual appearance has led to it featuring in many media, particularly in its native Australia.

    The Platypus has been used several times as a mascot: “Syd” the Platypus was one of the three mascots chosen for the Sydney 2000 Olympics along with an echidna and a kookaburra,[51] while Hexley the Platypus is the mascot for Apple Computer’s BSD-based Darwin operating system, Mac OS X.[52]

    [edit] See also

    * Australian fauna
    * List of venomous mammals
    * Henry Burrell

    [edit] Notes

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    27. ^ Platypus in Country Areas. Australian Platypus Conservancy. Retrieved on 23 October 2006.
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    31. ^ J.L. Gardner and M. Serena (1995). “Spatial-Organization and Movement Patterns of Adult Male Platypus, Ornithorhynchus-Anatinus (Monotremata, Ornithorhynchidae)”. Australian Journal of Zoology 43 (1): 91–103.
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    36. ^ Ockhams Razor. The Puzzling Platypus. Retrieved on 2006-12-02.
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    39. ^ R. L. Hughes and L. S. Hall (1998-07-29). “Early development and embryology of the platypus”. Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences 353 (1372): 1101–1114.
    40. ^ Paul R. Manger, Leslie S. Hall, John D. Pettigrew (1998-07-29). “The Development of the External Features of the Platypus (Ornithorhynchus Anatinus)”. Philosophical Transactions: Biological Sciences 353 (1372): 1115–1125.
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    42. ^ a b c John A. W. Kirsch and Gregory C. Mayer (1998-07-29). “The Platypus is not a Rodent: DNA Hybridization, Amniote Phylogeny and the Palimpsest Theory”. Philosophical Transactions: Biological Sciences 353 (1372): 1221–1237.
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    46. ^ Jocelyn Selim (2005-04-25). Sex, Ys, and Platypuses. Discover. Retrieved on 13 September 2006.
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    50. ^ Platypus. Catalyst (2003-11-13). Retrieved on 13 September 2006.
    51. ^ A Brief History of the Olympic and Paralympic Mascots. Bejing2008 (2004-08-05). Retrieved on 25 October 2006.
    52. ^ “The Home of Hexley the Platypus”. Retrieved on 25 October.

    [edit] References

    Books

    * Augee, Michael L. Platypus. World Book Encyclopedia. 2001 ed.
    * Burrell, H. The Platypus. Adelaide: Rigby, 1974.
    * Grant, Tom. The platypus: a unique mammal. Sydney: University of New South Wales Press, 1995. ISBN 0-86840-143-9.
    * Griffiths, Mervyn. The Biology of the Monotremes. Academic Press, 1978.
    * Michael Hutch, Melissa C. McDade, eds. Grzimek’s Animal Life Encyclopedia; Volume 12. Detroit: Gale, 2004.
    * Moyal, Ann. Platypus: The Extraordinary Story of How a Curious Creature Baffled the World. Smithsonian Books, 2001. ISBN 1-56098-977-7.
    * Strahan, R. The Mammals of Australia. New South Wales: Reed Books, 1995.

    Documentary

    * Eye of the Storm. Documentary by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.

    [edit] External links
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    * PBS.org
    * Platypus at WikiFauna
    * Platypus-Evolution and Conservation

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    Comment by Claude Barker — September 8, 2007 @ 4:57 am | Reply

  301. Excellently spoken Doctor Barker !

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  302. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% THE CORONER %%%% %%%% Presents %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% THE NECRONOMICAN %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%% DEC. 1985 %%%% %%%% %%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% WARNING: The NECRONOMICON’S magick is nothing to fool with and it may expose you to psycological forces with which you cannot cope. Remember if you fool with the incantations, you were warned! THIS IS NOT A FARCE!!! As a former follower in the ways of the Occult I can guarentee the legitimacy of this. Book 1: The Introduction “LET THEM CURSE IT THAT CURSE THE DAY, WHO ARE SKILFUL TO ROUSE THE LEVIATHAN” JOB 3:8 CHART OF COMPARISONS H.P. Lovecraft Alexander Crowley Sumer Cthulhu The Great Beast as Ctha-lu, Kutulu represented in “CTH/H 666” The Ancient Ones Satan; Teitan Tiamat Azathoth Aiwass (?) Azag-thoth The Dunwitch Choronzon Pazuzu Horror Shub Niggurath Pan Shub Ishniggarab (?) Out Of Space The Abyss Absu; Nar Mattaru IA! IO! IAO! IA (JAH; EA; LORD OF WATERS) The Five-pointed The Pentagram The AR, or UB (Plough Sign; the original pentagram and sign of the Aryan Race) gray star cavern Vermis Mysteriis The Serpent Erim (the enemy; and the sea as Chaos; Gothic: Orim, or Worm great Serpent This, of coarse, is not a complete list but rather an inspisational sampling. Meditation upon the various things mentioned in the Mythos will permit the scholor to draw his own conclusions; research upon the etymology of both Lovecraft’s and Crowley’s respective literature enables the occultist to discover the ancient Names and Numbers for much of his own, familiar, material. (Note:that Lovecraft may have heard of Crowley is hintedat darkly in his short story “The Thing On The Doorstep” in which he refers to a cult leader from England who established a covenstead of sorts in New York. In that story, published in Weird Talesin 1936, the cult leader is closely identified with chthoinc forces, is described as “notorious”, and linked to the strange fate that befell the protagonist, Edward Derby) SUPPLEMENTARY MATERIAL TO 777 THE CHART that follows is based on research presently available to the Editor with regard to Sumerian and Assyro-Babylonian religions. Entries in parenthesis refer to the state of Correspondance before the advent of the Elder Gods, the Race of Marduk ; that is, it reflects the nature of the cosmos before the Fall of Marduk from Heaven. (Names of zodiacal constellations are after Budge’s renderings) Table VII [A.C.] Table XXV [S,] 0. … ANU (TIAMAT) 1. Sphere of the Primum ENLIL (ABSU) Mobile 2. Sphere of the Zodic or ENKI; LUMASHI (IGIGI) Fixed Sars 3. Sphere of Saturn ADAR 4. Sphere of Jupiter MARDUK 5. Sphere of Mars NERGAL 6. Sphere of the Sun UTU 7. Sphere of Venus INANNA 8. Sphere of Mercury NEBO 9. Sphere of the Moon NANNA 10. Sphere of the Elements KIA 11. Air ANNA 12. Mercury GUDUD 13. Moon SIN 14. Venus DLIBAT 15. Aries AGRU (XUBUR) 16. Taurus KAKKAB U ALAP SHAME (KINGU) 17. Gemini RE’U KINU SHAME U TU’AME RABUTI (VIPER) 18. Cancer SHITTU (SNAKE) 19. Leo KALBU RABU (LAKHAMU) 20. Virgo SHIRU (WHIRLWIND) 21. Jupiter UMUNPADDU 22. Libra ZIBANITUM (Ravening Dog) 23. Water BADUR 24. Scorpio AKRABU (SCORPION-MAN) 25. Sagittarius PA-BIL-SAG (HURRICANE) 26. Capricorn SUXUR MASH (FISH-MAN) 27. Mars MASTABARRU 28. Aquarius GULA (HORNED BEAST) 29. Pisces DILGAN U RIKIS NUNI (WEAPON) 30. Sun SHAMASH 31. Fire AG 32. Saturn KAIMANU 32. (bis) Earth KIA 31. (bis) Spirit ZI NOTES ON PRONOUNCIATION WE CANNOT BE absolutely sure how Sumerian and Akkadian were spoken; but many use ful guidelines are available to the student, including the translated tablets found all over Mesopotamia. Basically, we can offer the following principles which should prove of value in reciting the foreign language instructions: Vowels a as in “father” e as in “whey” i as in “antique” o as in “boat” (but rarely found) u as in “zulu” Consonants Most are basically the same as in English. The Sumerians did not have an alphabet as we know it, but they had developed a syllabry, very much like the Japenese “Kana” script of today. In phonetic transliterations, the English spelling sought to approximate the Sumerian pronounciation. However, there are a few sounds which English does not possess, and which have been put into phonetic variations. Important examples below: x as in the German “ach” ch (same as above) q as in “liKe” k (same as above) sh as in “shall” ss as in, perhaps, “lasso”; a hissing “s” common to Arabic languages z as in “lotS”; a hard “ts” sound, not quite as in “zoo” Remember, in the translations which follow, every letter must be pronounced. There are no schwas or silent syllables in Sumerian. Hence, KIA is pronounced “keeya”; “KAIMANU” is pronounced “ka-ee-mah-nu” or, if spoken rapidly, the two initial vowell sounds slur onto “kigh” rhyming with “high”. The incantations should be carefully and slowly at first, to familiarize oneself with the tongue-twisting phrases. A mistake may prove fatal to the Work. SPELLS (TRANSLATED) WHERE POSSIBLE, the Editor has taken every oppurtunity to find the original Summerian or Akkadian translation of a given Greek charm or conjura- tion. These will be given here. Also, the reader will find English transla- tions of the Sumerian charms as they are given in the NECRONOMICON. Not all of the charms are avaliable in this way, and sometimes we have had to make do with near misses. Much of what is found here is from the MAKLU text, of which only extant translation is in German or Tallqvist. The word “maklu” or “maqlu” itself is controversial, but Tallqvist seems to think that it does, indeed, mean “burning”; especially so as the incantations to be found therin invaribly entail burning something, usually a doll made in the likeness of a witch or evil sorcerer that the magician wished to dispose of. Hence, we have here probably the archetype of the Great Burning Times of the Inquisition, when people were condemmed to firey deaths as Witches and Pagans. The chant “burn!witch!burn!” can be found in the MAKLU text, in all its pristine glory. Indeed, Cthulhu Calls. The Conjuration “The Binding of the Evil Sorcerers” Alsi ku nushi ilani mushiti Itti kunu alsi mushitum kallatum kattumtum Alsi bararitum qablitum u namaritum Ashshu kashshaptu u kashshipanni Eli nitum ubbiraanni Ili-ia u Ishtari-ia ushis-su-u-eli-ia Eli ameri-ia amru-usanaku Imdikula salalu musha u urra Qu-u imtana-allu-u pi-ia Upu unti pi-ia iprusu Me mashtiti-ia umattu-u Eli li nubu-u xiduti si-ipdi Izizanimma ilani rabuti shima-a dababi Dini dina alakti limda Epu-ush salam kashshapi-ia u kashshapi-ia Sha epishia u mushtepishti-ia Is mass-ssarati sha mushi lipshuru ruxisha limnuti Pisha lu-u ZAL.LU Lishanusha Lu-u Tabtu Sha iqbu-u amat limutti-ia kima ZAL.LU litta-tuk qi-ishrusha pu-uttu-ru ipshetusha xulluqu Kal amatusha malla-a sseri Ina qibit iqbu-u ilani mushitum NOTE: SINCE THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS INCANTATION I HAVE LEFT OUT 1 VERSE SO IF IT IS TRIED IT WILL NOT WORK!!!! The Conjuration “XILQA XILQA BESA BESA” or “A Most Exellant Charm Aginst the Hordes of Demons” etc. Arise! Arise! Go far away! Go far away! Be shamed! Be shamed! Flee! Flee! Turn around, go, arise and go far away! Your wickedness may rise to heaven like unto smoke! Arise and leave my body! From my body, depart in shame! From my body flee! Turn away from my body! Go away from my body! Do not return to my body! Do not come near my body! Do not approach my body! Do not throng around my body! Be commanded by Shammash the Mighty! Be commanded by Enki, Lord of All! Be commanded by Marduk, the Great Magician of the Gods! Be commanded by the God of Fire, your Destroyer! May you be held back from my body! NOTE: THIS SPELL IS LISTED COMPLETE “Another Binding of the Sorcerers” Ssalmani-ia ana pagri tapqida duppira Ssalmani-ia ana pagri taxira duppira Ssalmani-ia iti pagri tushni-illa duppira Ssalmani ini ishdi pagri tushni-illa duppira Ssalmani-ia ana qulqullati tapqida duppira Ssalmani-ia ina igari tapxa-a duppira Ssalmani-ia ina askuppati Tushni-illa duppira Ssalmani-ia ina bi’sha duri tapxa-a duppira Ssalmani-ia ana GISHBAR tapqida duppira NOTE: SINCE THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS SPELL A VERSE HAS BEEN LEFT OUT FOR YOUR SAFETY! IT WILL NOT WORK IF READ LIKE THIS!!!! “The Conjuration of the Mountains of MASHU” May the mountain overpower you! May the mountain hold you back! May the mountain conquer you! May the mountain frighten you! May the mountain shake you to the core! May the mountain hold you in check! May the mountain subject you! May the mountain cover you! May the mighty mountain fall on you! May you be held back from my body! NOTE: THIS SPELL IS COMPLETE! (Note that the original translator had noted the resembelance between the Greek word for Lord, KURIOS, and the Sumerian word for mountain, KUR, and for a type of underworld, chthonic, monster which is also called KUR and which refers to the Leviathan of the Old Testiment. Also in this particular conjuration, the word for mountain is SHADU-SHADDAI? The Old Serpent KUR is, of coarse, invoked every day by the Christians: Kyrie Eleison!) %%% BOOK 1 PART 2 %%% WARNING: The NECRONOMICON’S magick is nothing to fool with and it may subject you to psycological forces with which you cannot cope. Remember, if you fool with the incantations, you were warned! As a former follower in the ways of the occult I can vouch for the legitimaty of this! COMMON SUMERIAN WORDS AND PHRASES IN ENGLISH Akhkharu Vampire Alal Destroyer Alla Xul Evil God Barra! Begone Dingir Xul Evil God Edin Na Zu! Go To The Desert! (a form of exercism) Gelal Incubus Gigim xul Evil Spirit Gidim Xul Evil Ghost Idimmu Demon Idpa Fever Kashshaptu Witch Lalartu Phantom Lalassu Spectre Lilit Succubus Maskim Xul Evil Fiend (Ambusher, Lier-In-Wait) Mulla Xul Evil Devil Rabishu (same as Maskim Xul) Telal Wicked Demon (Warrior) Uggae God Of Death Uruku Larvae Utuk Xul Evil Spirit Zi Dingir Anna Kanpa! Spirit, God of the Sky, Remember! Zi Dingir Kia Kanpa! Spirit, God of the Earth, Remember! BANISHINGS Read this section carefully. In the interim period between the translation and the publication of this work, the editor, along with a circle of initiates in another dicipline, undertook to experiment with the rituals and forces outlined in the NECRONOMI- CON. In using the material alone, or within a Western ceremonial structure (such as the Golden Dawn system) we came upon startling discoveries in both cases: THERE ARE NO EFFECTIVE BANISHINGS FOR THE FORCES INVOKED IN THE NECRON- OMICON ITSELF! {Except, that is, for Christians} The rituals, incantations, formulae, of this work are of ancient origin, comprising some of the oldest written magickal workings in Western occult history. The deities and demons identified within probably have not been effectivly summoned in nearly six thousand years. Ordinary exercisms and banishings have thus far proved extreamly inadequate: this, by experienced magicians. Hence, the following recommendations. The religion of the ancient Sumerian peoples seem to have been lunar-oriented, a religion-or religio-magickal structure-of the night, of darkness in a sense. Invocations using solar formulae have proved thus far effective in successfully banishing NECRONOMICON demons and intelligence.For instance, the KADDISH prayer of the Jewish faith contains some solar elements that have proved resilient to inimical genii, and the vibration of the Lord’s Prayer for Christians is also a workable method. We suggest that individual operators utilize an equivelant solar (i.e., positive light) invocation from thier own religion or the religion of thier ancestors, should they no longer have a religion or should they have changed it in thier lifetime. For best practical purposes in the beginning-for those intent on actually the rituals contained herein-it is advisable to take espicial care in the construction of the magickal defences. A preliminary period of purification is well in order before attempting anything in this grimiore Persons of unstable emotional condition should not be allowed, under any circumstances, to observe one of these rituals in progress. That would be criminal, and perhaps even suicidal. One of our colleagues was fearfully attacked by his dog directly following a fairly simple and uncomplicated formula from this book. This is definatly not a Gilbert chemestry set. The method of the NECRONOMICON concerns deep, primeval forces that seem to pre-exist the normal archetypal images of the Tarot trumps and the Golden Dawn telematic figures. These are forces that developed outside the Judeo-Christian mainstream, and were worshipped and summoned long before the creation of the Qubala as we know it today. Hence, the ineffectiveness of the Golden Dawn banishing procedures aginst them. They are not necessarily demonic or qliphotic in the sense that these terms are commonly understood in the West, they just simply represent power scources largely untapped and thus far ignored by twentieth-century, mainstream consciouness. The results of any experimentation with this work, as well as prac- tical suggestions concerning its rituals, are welcomed by the publishers. %%% BOOK 2 PART 1 %%% WARNING: The NECRONOMICON’S magick is nothing to fool with and may expose you to pscycological forces with which you cannot cope. Remember if you fool with the incantations, you were warned! THE TESTIMONY OF THE MAD ARAB TTTTTHIS is the testimony of all that I have seen, and all that I have T learned, in those years that I have possesed the Three Seals of T MASSHU. I have seen One Thousand and-One moons, and surely this is enough for the span of a mans life, though it is said the Prophets lived much longer. I am weak, and ill, and bear great tired- ness and exaustion, and a sigh hangs in my breast like a dark lantern, I am old. The wolves carry thier name in thier midnight speeches, and that quiet, subtle Voice is summoning me from afar. And a voice much closer will shout into my ear with unholy impatience. The weight of my soul will decide its final resting place. Before the time, I must put down here all that I can concerning the horrors that stalk Without, and which lie in wait at the door of every man, for this is the ancient arcana that has been handed down of old, but which has been forgotten by all but a few men, the worshippers of the Ancient Ones (may thier names be blotted out!) And if I do not finish this task, take what is here and discover the rest, for time is short and mankind does not know or understand the evil that awaits it, from every side, from every open Gate, from every broken barrier, from every mindless acolyte at the alters of madness. For this is the Book of the Dead, the Book of the Black Earth, that I have writ down at the peril of my life, exactly as I recieved it, on the planes of IGIGI, the cruel celestial spirits from beyond the Wanderers of the Wastes. Let all who read this book be warned thereby that the habitation of men are seen and surveyed by that Ancient Race of gods and demons from a time before time, and that they seek revenge for that forgotten battle that took place somewhere in the Cosmos and rent the Worlds in the days before the crea- tion of Man, when the Elder Gods walked the Spaces, the race of MARDUK, as he is known to the Chaldeans, and of ENKI our master, the Lord of Magicians. Know, then, that I have trod all the Zones of the Gods, and also the places of Azonei, and have descended into the foul places of Death and Eternal Thirst, which may be reached through the Gate of GANZIR, which was built in UR in the days before Babylonian was. Know, too, that I have spoken with all manner of spirit and daemon, whose names are no longer known in the societies of Man, or were never known. And the seals of these are writ herein ; yet others I must take with me when I leave you. ANU have mercy on my soul! {Actually Jesus Christ is the one he should ask for forgiveness from, for Christ is the all powerful God and the only god full of love} I have seen the Unknown Lands, that no map has ever charted. I have lived in the deserts and the wastelands, and spoken with demons and the souls of slaughtered men, and of women who have died in childbirth, victims of the she-fiend LAMMASHTA. I have traveled beneath the Seas, in search of the Palace of Our Master, and found the stone monuments of vanquished civilizations, and de- ciphered the writings of some of these; while still others remain mysteries to any man who lives. And these civilizations were destroyed because of the knoeledge contained in this book. I have traveled among the stars, and trembled before the gods. I have at last found the formula by which I passed the gate of ARZIR, and passed into the forbidden realms ofthe foul IGIGI. I have raised demons, and the dead. I have summoned the ghosts of my ancestors to real and visible ap- pearence on the tops of temples built to reach the stars, and built to touch the nethermost cavities of HADES. I have wrestled with the Black Magician, AZAG-THOTH, in vain, and fled to the Earth by calling upon INANNA and her brother MARDUK, Lord of the double-headed AXE. I have raised armiesagainst the Lands of the East, by summoning the hordes of fiends I have made subject unto me, and so doing found NGAA, the god of the heathens, who breathes flame and roares like a thousand thunders. I have found fear. I have found the Gate that leads to the Outside, by which the Ancient Ones, who ever seek the entrance to our world, keep eternal watch. I have smelled the vapors of that Ancient One, Queen of the Outside, whose name is writ in the MAGAN text, the testiment of some dead civilization whose priests, seeking power, swing open the dread, evil Gate for an hour past the time and were consumed. I came to possess this knowledge through circumstances quite pecul- iar, while still the unlettered son of a shepherd in what is called Mesopot- amia by the Greeks. When I was only a youth, traveling alone in the mountains to the East, called MASSHU by the people who live there, I came upon a grey rock carved with three strange symbols. It stood as high as a man, and as wide around as a bull. It was firmly in the ground, and I could not move it. Thinking no more of the carvings, save that they might be the work of a king to mark some Ancient victory over an enemy, I built a fire at its foot to protect me from the from the wolves that wander in that reigons and went to sleep, for it was night and I was far from my village, being Bet Durrabia. Bieng about three hours from dawn, in the nineteenth of Shabatu, I was awakened by the howl of a dog, or perhaps a wolf, uncommonly loud and close at hand. The fire had died to its embers, and these red, glowing coals cast a faint, dancing shadow across the stone monument with the three carvings. I began to make haste to build another fire when, at once, the grey rock began to rise slowly into the air, as if it were a dove. I could not move or speak for the fear that siezed upon my spine and wrapped cold fingers around my skull. The Dik of Azug-bel-ya was no stranger seemed to melt into my hands! Presently, I heard a voice, softly, some distance away and a more practical fear, that the possibility of robbers, took hold of me and I rolled behind weeds, trembling. Another voice joined the first, and soon several men in black robes of thieves came together over the place where I was, surroundin the floating rock, of which they did not exhibit in the least fright. I could see clearly now that the three carvings on the stone monu- ment were glowing, a flame red color, as through the rock were on fire. The figures were murmuring together in prayer or invocation, of which only a few words could be heard, and these in some unknown tongue; though, ANU have mercy on my soul!, these rituals are not unknown to me any longer. The figures, whose faces I could not see or recognize, began to make wild passes in the air with knives that glinted cold and sharp in the mountain night. From beneath the floating rock, out of the very ground where it had sat, came rising the tail of a serpent. This serpent was surely larger than any I had ever seen. The thinnest section thereof was fully that of the arms of two men, and as it rose from the earth it was followed by another, although the end of the first was not seen as it seemed to reach down into the very Pit itself. These were followed by still more, and the ground began to tremble under the pressure of so many of these enormous arms. The chanting of the priests, for I knew them now to be some the servents ofsome hidden Power, became much louder and nearly hysterical. IA! IA! ZI AZAG! IA!IA! ZI AZKAK! IA! IA! KUTULU ZI KUR! IA! The ground where I was hiding became wet with some substance, being slightly downhill from the scene I was witnessing. I touched the wetness and found it to be blood. In horror I screamed and gave my presence away to the priests. They turned toward me, and I saw with loathing that they had cut their chests with the daggers they had used to raise the stone, for some mys- tical purpose I could not then divine; although I now know that blood is the very food of these spirits, which is why tha field after the battles of war glows with an unnatural light, the manifestation of the spirits feeding there- on. May ANU protect us all! My scream had the effect of casting thier ritual into chaos and dis- order. I raced through the mountain path by which I had come, and the priests came running after me, although some seemed to stay behind, perhaps to finish the Rites. However, as I ran wildly down the slopes in the cold night, my heart gave rise in my chest and my head growing hot, the sound of splitting rocks and thunder came from behind me and shook the very ground I ran on. In fright and haste I fell to the earth. Rising, I turned to face whatever attackerhad come nearest me, though I was unarmed. To my surprise, what I saw was no priest of ancient horror, no necromancer of that forbidden Art, but black robes fallen upon the grass and weeds, with no seeming presance of life or bodies beneath them. I walked cautiously to the first and, picking up a long twig, lifted the robe from the tangle of weeds and thorns. All that remained of the priest was a pool of slime, like green oil, and the smell of a body lain long in the sun to rot. Such a stench nearly overpowered me, but I was resolute to find the others, to see if the same fortune had also befallen them. Walking back up the slope that I had so fearfully run down only moments ago, I came across yet another of the black priests, in identical condition to the first. I kept walking, passing more of the robes as I went, not venturing to overturn them any longer. Then, I finally came upon the grey stone monument that had risen unnaturally into the air at the command of the priests. It was now upon the ground once more, but the carvings still glowed with supernatural light. The serpents, or what I had then thought of as ser- pents, had disappeared. But in the dead embers of the fire, now cold and black, was a shining metal plate. I picked it up and saw that it was also carved, as the stone, but very intricatly, after a fasion I could not under- stand. It did not bear the same markings as the stone, but I had the feeling I coukd almost read the characters, but could not, as though I once knew the tongue but had since long forgotten. Mt head began to ache as though a devil was pounding my skull, when a shaft of moonlight hit the metal amulet, for I know now what it was, and a voice entered my head and told me the secrets of the scene I had witnessed in one word: KUTULU. In that moment, as though whispered fiercly into my ear, I under- stood. These were the signs carved upon the grey stone, that was the gate to the Outside: / /- / __/ __ | o / / | / / o———— / / | / —- / | / | / o (I wish to apologize for the primitive descriptions of the sym- bols but its about the best that can be done with this file writer) The amulet that I held in my hand, and hold to this very day, around my neck as I write these words, is this: (after seeing the so-called picture of the symbols you can probably understand why I did not attempt to show you the amulet) Of the three symbols carved, the first is the Sign of our Race from beyond the Stars, and is called ARRA in the tongue of the Scribe who taught it to me, an emissary of the Elder Ones. In the tongue of the eldest city of Babylon, it was UR. It is the Sigil of the Covenant of the Elder Gods, and when they see it, they who gave it to us, they will not forget us. They have sworn! Spirit of the Skies, Remember! The second sign is the Elder Sign, and is the Key whereby the Powers of the Elder Gods may be summoned, when used with the proper words and shapes. It has a Name, and is called AGGA. The third sign is the Sigil of the Watcher. It is called BANDAR. The Watcher is a Race sent by the Elder Ones. It keeps vigil while one sleeps provided the appropriate rituals and sacrifice has been preformed; else, if called, it will turn upon you. These seals, to be effective, must be graven on stoneand set in the ground. Or, set upon the alter of offerings. Or, carried to the Rock of Invocations. Or, engraved upon the metal of ones God or Goddes and hung about the neck, but hidden from the view of the profane. Of these three, the ARRA and the AGGA may be used seperatly, that is to say singly, and alone. The BANDAR however, must never be used alone, but with one or both of the others, for the Watcher must needs to be reminded of the Covenant he has sworn with the Elder Gods and our Race, else it will turn upon thee and slay thee and ravage thy town untill succour is to be had from the Elder Gods by the tears of thy people and the wailing of thy women. KAKAMMU! %%% BOOK 2 PART 2 %%% THE TESTIMONY OF THE MAD ARAB (CONT) The fire amulet that I retrieved from the ashes of the fire, and which caught the light of the moon, is a potent seal against whatever may come in the Gate from the Outside for, seeing it, they willretreat from thee SAVE ONLY IF IT CATCH THE LIGHT OF THE MOON UPON ITS SURFACE for, in the dark days of the moon, or in clouds, there can be little protection against the fiends from the Ancient Land should they break the barrier, or be let in by thier servants upon the face of the Earth. In such a case, no recourse is to be had untill the light of the moon shines upon the Earth, for the moon is the Eldest among the Zonei, and is the starry symbol of our pact. NANNA, Father of the Gods, Remember! Wherefore, the amulet must be engraved upon pure silver in the full light of the moon, that the moon shine upon it at its working, and the essence of the moon be drawn down and captured therein. And the proper incantations must be performed, and the prescribed rituals as given forth in this Book. And the amulet must NEVER be exposed to the light of the Sun, for SHAMMASH called UDU, in his jealousy, will rob the seal of its power. In such case, it must be bathed in waters of camphor, and the incantations and ritual performed once again. But verily, it were better to engrave another. These secrets I give to thee at the pain of my life, never to be revealed to the profane, or the banished, or the Worshippers of the Ancient Serpent, but to keep within thine own heart, always silent upon these things. Peace be to thee! Henceforth, from that fateful night in the mountains of MASSHU, I wandered about the countryside in search of the key to the secret knowledge that had been given me. And it was a painful and lonley journey, during which time I took no wife, called no house or village my home, and dwelt in variuos countries, often in caves or in the deserts, lerning several tongues as a traveler, to bargin with the tradespeople and learn of the news and customs. But my bargining was with the Powers that reside in each of these countries. And soon, I came to understand many things of which before I had no knowledge, except perhaps in dreams. The friends of my youth deserted me, and I them. When I was seven years gone from my family, I learned that they had all died of thier own hand, for reasons no one was able to tell me; thier flocks had later been slain as the victoms of some strange epidemic. I wandered as a begger, being fed from town to town as the local people saw fit, often being stoned instead of threatened with imprisonment. On occasion, I was able to convince some learned man that I was a sincere scholar, and was thereby permitted to read the Ancient Records in which the details of necromancy, sorcery, magick and alchemy are given. I learned of the spells that cause men illness, the plague, blindness, insanity and even death. I learned the various classes of demons and evil gods that exist, and of the old legends concerning the Ancient Ones. I was thus able to arm myself against the dread Maskim, who lie in wait about the boundaries of the world, ready to trap the unwary and devour the sacrifices set out at night and in deserted places; against the she-devil LAMMASHTA, who is called Sword that Splits the Skull, the sight of whom causes horror and dismay, and (some say) death of a most uncommon nature. In time I learned of the names and properties of all the demons, devils, fiends and monsters listed herein, in this Book of the Black Earth. I learned of the powers in the astral Gods, and how to summon thier aid in times of need. I learned, too, of the frightful beings who dwell beyond the astral spirits, who guard the entrance to the Temple of the Lost, of the Ancient Days the Ancient of the Ancient Ones, whose Name I connot write here. In my solitary ceremonies in the hills, worshipping with fire and sword, with water and dagger, and with the assistance of strange grass that grows wild in certain parts of the MASSHU, and with which I had unwittingly built my fire before the rock, that grass that gives the mind great power to travel termendous distances into the heavens, as also into the hells, I recie- ved the formulae for the amulets and talismans which follow, which provide the Priest with safe passage among the spheres wherein he may travel in search of the Wisdom. But now, after One Thousand-and-One moons of the journey, the Maskim nip at my heels, the Rabishu pull at my hair, Lammashta opens her dread jaws, AZAG-THOTH gloats blindly at his throne, KUTULU raises his head and stares up through the Veils of sunkun Varloorni, up through the Abyss, and fixes his stare upon me; wherefore I must with haste write this Book lest my end come sooner than I had prepared. For indeed, it appears as though I have failed in some regard as to the order of the rites, or to the formulae, or to the sacri- fices, for now it appears as if the entire host of ERESSKIGAL lies waiting, dreaming, drooling for my departure. I pray the gods that I am saved (which he is not, for “gods” cannot save ones soul, only GOD) and not perish as did the Priest, ABDUL BEN-MARTU, in Jerusalem (the gods remember and have mercy upon him!). My fate is no longer writ in the stars, for I have broken the Chaldean Covenant by seeking power over the Zonei. I have set foot on the moon, and the moon no longer has power over me. The lines of my life have been obliterated by my wanderings in the Waste, over the letters writ in the heavens by the gods. And even now I can hear the wolves howling in the moun- tains as they did that fateful night, and they are calling my name, and the names of the Others. I fear for my flesh, but I fear for my spirit more. Remember, always, in every empty moment, to call upon the gods not to forget thee, for they are forgetful and very far away. Light thy fires high in the hills, and on the tops of temples and pyramids, that they may see and remember. Remember, always, to copy each of the formulae as I have put it down and not to change it by one line or dot, not so much as hair’s breadth, lest it be rendered valueless, or worse: a broken line provides means of entrance for those Outside, for a broken star is the Gate of GANZIR, the Gate of Death, the Gate of the Shodows and the Shells. Recite the incantations as they are written here, in the manner thus prescribed. Prepare the rituals without erring, and in the proper places and times render the sacrifices. May the gods ever be merciful unto thee! May thou escape the jaws of the MASKIM, and vanquish the power to the Ancient Ones! AND THE GODS GRANT THEE DEATH BEFORE THE ANCIENT ONES RULE THE EARTH ONCE MORE! KAKAMMU! SELAH! CORONERS NOTE: These powers and incantations arent anything to fuck with I have made sure that some spells couldent be used by taking out a few lines. I do not in any way, shape, or form have ANYTHING to do with these beliefs. Dr. Dos made a file called “BACK UP TO THE NECRONOMICON”. Read it! It tells it how it actually is. %%% BOOK 3 %%% WARNING: The powers explained herein are nothing to fuck with! They are extreamly dangerous and could be fatal to ones health if a problem occured Remember, if you screw with this…YOU WERE WARNED! CORONERS NOTE: The Coroner or any boards advertised on this file have nothing to do with the powers of the occult in any way, shape, or form! OF THE ZONEI AND THEIR ATTRIBUTES The gods of the Stars are Seven. They have Seven Seals, each of which may be used in their turn. They have Seven Colors, Seven Material Es- sences and each have a seperate Step on the Ladder of Lights. The Chaledeans were but imperfect in their knowledge, although they had understanding of the Ladder, and certain of the formulae. They did not however, possess the form- ulae for the passing of the Gates, save one, of whom it is forebidden to speak The passing of the Gates gives the Priest both power and wisdom to use it. He becomes able to control the affairs of his life more perfectly than before, and many have been content to merely pass the first three Gates and then sit down and go no further than that, enjoying the benifits that they have found on the preliminary spheres. But this is Evil, for this is not equipped to deal with the attack from Without that must surely come, and the people will cry unto them for safety, and it will not come forth. Therefore, set thy face towards the ultimate goal and strive ever onward to the furthest reaches of the stars, thoug it mean thineown death; for such a death is as a sacrifice to the gods, and pleasing, that they will not forget thier people. The ZONEI and their attributes then, are as follows: The god of the Moon is the god NANNA. He is father of the Zonei, and eldest of the Wanderers. He is long of beard, and bears a wand of lapis lazuli in his palm, and posseses the secret tides of blood. His color is Silver. His essance is to be found in Silver, and in camphor, and in those things bearing the sign of the Moon. He is sometimes called SIN. His Gate is the first you will pass in the rituals that follow. His Step on the Ladder of Lights is also Silver. This is his seal, which you must engrave on his metal, on the 13th day of the Moon in which you are working, having no other person about you who may watch you in its manufacture. Being finished, it should be wrapped in a square of the finest silk and lain aside untill such time as you desire its use, and then, it should be removed only after the Sun has gone to rest. No ray of sunlight should strike the seal, lest its power be rendered nil and a new Seal must needs be cast. The number of NANNA IS Thirty (30) {I will NOT show any of the engravings for the reason that you wont know what to engrave. This way Ill be assured no harm has come from writing this} The god of Mercury is NEBO. He si a very old spirit, having a long beard, and is the guardian of the gods, as well as the keeper of the knowledge of Science. He wears a crown of 100 horns, and the long robe of a priest. His color is Blue. His Essance is in that metal known as Quicksilver, and is sometimes also found in sand, and in those things bearing the sign of Mercury. His Gate is the 2nd you will pass in the rituals that follow. His Step on the Ladder of Lights is Blue. This is his Seal, which you must write on perfect parchment, or on the broad leaf of a palm tree, having no other person about you who may watch you in its construction. Being finished it should be wrapped in a square of the finest silk and lain aside untill such time as you desire its use, and then, it should only be removed when its light is in the sky. Such is also the best time for its manufacture. The number of NEBO is 12. The goddess of Venus is the most exellant Queen INNANA, called of athe Babylonians ISHTAR. She is the goddess of passion, both of love and of war, in the heavens. She appears as a most beautiful lady, in the company of lions, and partakes of a subtile astral nature with the Moon god NANNA. When they are in agreement, that is, when their two planets are auspiciously arranged in the heavens, it is as two offering-cups split freely in the heavens, to rain the sweet wine of the gods upon the earth. And the there is great happiness and rejoicing. She sometimes appears in armor, and is thereby a most excellent gaurdian against the machinations of her sister, the dread Queen ERESHKIGAL of KUR. With the Name and Number of INANNA, no Priest need fear to walk into the very depths of the Underworld; for being armed, in Her arlmor, he is similar to the goddess. It was thus that I descended into the foul pits that lie gaping beneath the crust of the earth, and commanded deamons. She is similarly the goddess of Love, and bestows a favorable bride upon any man who desires it, and who makes the proper sacrifice. BUT KNOW THAT INANNA TAKES HER OWN FOR HER OWN, AND THAT ONCE CHOSEN BY HER NO MAN MAY TAKE ANOTHER BRIDE. Her color is the purest White. Her manifestation is in the metal Copper, and also in the most beautiful flowers of a field, and in saddest death of the battlefield, which is that field’s fairest flower. Her Gate is the Third you will pass in the rites that follow, and in which place you will be of a heart to stay; but turn you face to the road that leads beyond, for that is your genuine goal, unless the goddess choses you. Her Step on the Ladder if Lights, built of old in Babylon and at UR, is White. This is her seal, which you must engrave on Copper, Venus being exalted in the heavens with no one about watching its construction. Being finished, it is to be wrapped in the purest silk and lain safely away, only to be removed when need arises, at any time. The number of INANNA is Fifteen, by which Number she is frequently known in the incantations of the Dispensation. The god of the Sun is the Lord SHAMMASH, son of NANNA. He is seated upon a throne of gold, wearing a crown of two horns, holding a sceptre aloft in his right hand and a flame disk in his life, sending rays in every direc- tion. he is the god of life. His color is gold. His essance is to be found in all gold, and in all golden objects and plants. He is sometimes called UDDU. His Gate is the Fourth you will pass in the rituals that follow. His step on the great Ladder of Lights is Gold. You must engrave his Seal in gold when the Sun is exalted in the heavens, alone on a mountain top or some such place close to the rays, but alone. Being finished it should be wrapped in a square of the finest silk and lain aside untill such time as it is needed. The number of SHAMMASH is Twenty. The god of Mars is the mighty NERGAL, He has the head of a man on the body of a lion, and bears a sword and a flail. He is the god of war, and an agent of the Ancient Ones, for he dwealt in CUTHA for a time. His color is a dark red. His essance is to be found in Iron, and in all weapons made to spill the blood of man and of ani- mals. His Gate is the Fifth you will see as you pass the Zones in the rituals that follow. His Step on the Ladder of Lights is Red. His Seal must be engraved upon a plate of Iron, or on paper in blood when Mars is in exaltion in the heavens. It is best done at night, far from the habitations of men and of animals, where you cannot be seen or heard. It must be wrapped first in heavy cloth, then in fine silk, and then hid away untill some time as it is needed. But take care not to use this Seal hastily, for it is a sharp Sword. The Number of NERGAL is Eight. The god of Jupiter is the Lord of the Magicians, MARDUK KURIOS of the Double-headed Axe. MARDUK was born of our father {Not of MY father, at spiritally or otherwise. GOD is the only true father I know of}, ENKI, to do battle against the forces of the Ancient Ones and he won powerful fight, subduing the armies of the Evil and putting the Queen of the Ancient Ones beneath his foot. That Serpent is dead, but dreams. MASDUK was bestowed Fifty Names and Powers by the Council of the Elder Gods, which powers he retains to this day. His color is Purple. His Essance is in the material Tin, and in Brass. His Gate is the Sixth that you will come upon in the rituals that follow. His Step on the Ladder of Lights is Purple. His Seal which you must engrave on a plate of tin or brass, when Jupiter is strong in the heavens, while making special invocations to ENKI Our Master. This shall be wrought as the others, and wrapped in pure silk and lain away untill the time for its use. Know that MARDUK appears as a mighty warrior with a long beard and a flaming disk in his hands. He carries a bow and a quiver of arrows, and treads about the heavens keeping the Watch. Take care to summon his assistance in only the most terrible of circumstances, for his might is powerful and his anger fierce. When thou hast need of the powers of the star Jupiter, call instead one of the appropriate powers listed within these files and they will surely come. The Number of MARDUK is Ten. The god of Saturn is NINIB called ADAR, the Lord of Hunters and of Strength. He appears with a crown of horns and a long sword, wearing a lions skin. He is the final Zonei before the terrible IGIGI. His color is the dark- est Black. His Essance is to be found in Lead, in the burnt embers of fire, and in things of death and of antiquity. The horns of a stag are his symbol. His Gate is the Last you will come upon in the rites that follow. His Step on the Ladder of Lights is Black. You must engrave his Seal on a leaden plate or bowl, keeping it well hiden from the eyes of the profane. It should be wrapped and put away as all the others, untill its use is desired. It should never be removed when the Sun is in the sky, but only after the night has fallen and the earth has grown black, for NINIB knows the best ways of the demons that prowl among the sha- dows, looking for sacrifice. He knows best the territories of the Ancient Ones the practices of their worshippers, and the locations of the Gates. His realm is the realm of the Night of Time. His Number is Four (as the quarters of the Earth). %%% BOOK 4 %%% WARNING: The incantations explained herein arent anything to fuck with. They are very potent and may enter you in a state of being of which there is no escape (its called “DEATH”). Remember, if you screw with this… …….YOU WERE WARNED!!!!! CORONERS NOTE: The Coroner nor any boards advertised on these files have ANYTHING to do with Black Magick, the Occult, or any Supernatural forces. I can vouch for the potential of this information because I was a follower in its ways….A LONG FUCKING TIME AGO!!!! anyhow I just want to remind you that these incantations are extreamly dangerous and for this reason some of the lines are deleted so you cant fuck with it even if you wanted to. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ THE BOOK OF ENTRANCE AND OF THE WALKING ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This is the book of enterance to the Seven Zones above the earth, which Zones were known as Chaldeans, and to the Ancient Races proceeded them among the lost Temples of UR. Know that these Zones are governed by celestial spirits, and that passage may be had by the priest through those lands that border the Unzoned Wastes beyond. Know that, when walking thus through the Sea of Spheres, he should leave his Watcher behind that It may guard his body and property, lest he be slain unawares and must wander throughout eternity among the dark spaces between the Stars, or else by devoured by the wrathful IGIGI that dwell beyond. Know that thou must walk thy Steps of the Ladder of Lights, each in its place and one at a time, and that thou must enter the gates in the lawful manner, as put down in the Covenant; else thou ist surely lost. Know that thou must keep purified for the space of one moon for the Entrance to the First Step, one moon between the First and Second Step, and again between the Second and Third ans so on in like manner. Thou must obtain by spilling thy seed in any manner for the period of time, but thou mayest worship at the Temple of ISHTAR, provided thou not lose thine Essance. And this is a great secret. Thou must needs call upon thy god in the Dawn Light and upon thy goddess in the Light of Dusk, every day of the moon of purification. Thou must summon thy Watcher and instruct it perfectly in its duties, providing it a time and place to where it must serve thee, and surround thee with a flaming sword in every direction. Thy clothing for thy Walking should be fair, clean and simple but appropriate to each Step. And thou should have with thee the Seal of the par- ticular Step whereupon thou Walkest, which is the Seal of the Star apper- taining thereunto. Thou must need to prepare an alter that face the North, having it upon thy statues of thine deities, or some sutable images, an offering bowl, and a brazier. Upon the earth should be inscribed the Gate appropriate to the Walking. If above thee is the sky, so much the better. If there is a roof above thine head it must be free from all hangings. Not even a lamp should be suspended over thee, save in Operations of Calling, which is discussed in a Book not yet released. The only light shall be from the four lamps upon the ground, at each of the four Gates of the Earth: of the North, one lamp; of the East, one lamp; of the South, one lamp; and of the West, one lamp. The oil should be pure with no odor, or else sweet-smelling, or especially approp- riate to the Star where thou wouldst desire Entrance after thy fasion of thy country. The Seven Gates here follow: THE FIRST GATE…THE GATE OF NANNA CALLED SIN THE SECOND GATE..THE GATE OF NEBO THE THIRD GATE…THE GATE OF INANNA CALLED ISHTAR THE FOURTH GATE..THE GATE OF SHAMMASH CALLED UDDU THE FIFTH GATE ..THE GATE OF NERGAL THE SIXTH GATE…THE GATE OF THE LORD MARDUK THE SEVENTH GATE.THE GATE OF NINIB CALLED ADAR And the Walking must follow the formulae herein described: First thou must observe the moon of purification. In this time thou mayest not eat meat for the space of seven days preceeding the last day of the moon thou mayest not eat anything whatsoever, save to drink sweet water. On the last three days thou must invoke, in addition to thy god and goddess thy Three Great Elder Ones, ANU, ENLIL, ENKI, by their proper invocations. And the Number of ANU is sixty, the perfect Number, for he is Father of the Heavens. And the Number of ENLIL is fifty, and he is Father of thy Wind. And the Number of ENKI is forty, a most exellant Number, and he is the Father, of all who would tread these forgotten paths and wander into lands unknown, among the Wastes amid the frightful monsters of the Azonei. Second on the night of the Walking which must be the 13th night of the moon, having begun on the previous 13th night, thou must approach the Gate with awe and respect. Thy Temple is excersised, thou must light thy Fire and conjure it, by the invocation of the God of Fire, and pour incense thereon. Thou must make offering to the dieties on the alter. Third, thou must light the four lamps from the flaming brazier, reciting the invocation proper to each of these Watchtowers in its proper place, summoning the respective Star. Third, thou must recite the invocatation of the Watcher, thrusting the sword intp thy earth at Its station, not touching it untill it is at the appointed time for Its departure. Fifth, thou must take thy Seal of the Star in thy right hand, and whisper its Name softly upon it. Sixth, thou must recite the invocatation of the Walking, loudly, and in a clear voice, as thou walkest about the Gate in a circular fasion, beginning at the North, walking to the East, then to the South, and then to the West, the Number of times beingEqual to the special Number of the Star. Seventh, thou must needs arrive back at the center of the Gate, before thine alter, at which time thou must fall to the ground looking neither to the right nor left at what may be moving there, for these Operations attract many kinds of wandering demons and ghosts to the Gate, but in the air above the alter, whereupon thou wilt see the Gate presently opening for thee and the spirit messenger of the Sphere, greeting thee in a clear voice and giving thee a Name, which thou must remember, for that is the Name of the Passing thy Gate which you must use Each time thou passeth thereby. The same Spirit-Messenger will meet thee and, if thou knoe not thy Name, will forbid thee entrance and thou wilt fall to the earth immediatly. When the First Gate has been entered and Name recieved, thou wilt fall back to earth amid thine Temple. That which has been moving about thy Gate on thy ground will have gone. Recite thine thanksgiving to thy gods upon thine alter, strike thy Sword of the Watcher that It mat depart, and give the incantation of INANNA, which says how she conquered the realm of the under- world and vanquisheth KUTULU. All Idimmu will vanquish thereby and thou wilt be thus free to depart the Gate and estinguish the Fire. Thou mayest not call upon NANNA till thou hast passed the Gate of NANNA. Thou mayest not call NEBO untill his Gate is passed, similarly to the rest of the Gates. When thou hast ascended to the Limit of the Ladder of Lights, thou wilt have knowledge and power over the Spheres, and will be able to summon them in times of need. This will not give thee power over the ABSU however this power being obtained differently by the ritual of the Descent. This Ritual thou will undertake in the 15th day after the 13th of the month when thou hast summoned the Gate of Marduk to open. For MARDUK slew the Feinds, and INANNA, the goddess of the 15, conquered the Netherworld where some of theirs still dwell. This is a most perilous rite and can be undertaken by any man who has the formulae wether he has passed the previous Gates or not, save that it is best advised to pass through MARDUK Gate before venturing forth into the pit. For this reason few have ever opened the Gate of ADAR, and spoken to the Horned One who resideth there and give all manner of wisdom regarding to Operations of necromancy, and of the spells that hasten unto death. Only when thou hast shown thy power over the Maskim and the Rabishu mayest thou venture forth into the Land of the IGIGI, and for that reason was this Covenant made, that none shall safely walk through the Sunken Valleys of the Dead before having ascended to MARDUK, nor shall they breach the Gates that lie beyond ADAR untill they have seen the signs of the Mad God and felt the fury of the hellish Queen. And aginst the Ancient Ones there is only defense. Only a madman, indeed, such as I am called!, can hope to overpower Them that dwell in the Outer Spaces, for their power is unknown and the number of their hordes uncounted, and each day they breed more horrors than a mans mind can conceive, the sight of which he can hardly bear. There was a time when the Gate to the Outside was open too long and I witnessed a horror that struck, of which words cannot speak, and of which writing can only confuse. The Ancient One that had escaped into the Inner World was forced back through the Gate by a magician of great power, but at a great loss to the villages and flocks of the Island. Many sheep were slain after an unnatural fasion, and many devored, and many Bedou rendered senseless; for the mind percieves what it is shown, but the sight of the Ancient Ones is a blasphemy to the ordinary senses of a man, for they come from a world that is not straight, but crooked, and their existance is of forms unnatural and painful to the eye and to the mind, whereby the spirit is threatened and wrenches loose from the body in flight, and for that reason the fearful utukku xul take possesion of the body and dwell therein untill the Priest banish them back to whence they came and the normal spirit may return to its erstwhile neighborhood. And there are ALLU, frightened dog-faced demons that are the Messen- gers of the Gods of Prey, and that chew on the very bones of a man. And there are many other of which it is not the rightful place wherein they be mentioned save to warn the Priest aginst ambitious striving aginst the Ancient Ones of the Outside, untill mastery is acquired over the powers that reside Within. Only when ADAR has been obtained, may the Priest consider himself a master over the Planes of the Spheres and able to wrestle with the Old Gods. Once Death Herself has been stared in the Eye can the Priest then summon and contro the denziens of Death’s darkly curtained halls. Then he can hope to open the Gate without fear and without that loathing of the spirit that slays man. Then can he hope to have power over the demons that plague the mind and body pulling at the hair and grasping the hands, and screaming the vile Names into the airs of the Night. For what comes on the Wind can only be slain by he who knows the Wind; and what comes on the Seas can only be slain be he who knows the Waters. Thus it is written in Ancient Covenant. %%% BOOK 5 %%% CORONERS NOTE: None of the boards advertised on this file have any- thing to do with powers of the occult! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ THE INCANTATIONS OF THE GATES ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This section of the NECRONOMICON is by far the most dangerous of the Books to come! For this reason I felt it sane to leave this section out of the going. Maybe…SOMEDAY…Ill release the Fifth book but as of now I urge all readers to become more familiar with Books 1, 2, 3, and 4. Thank you for your understanding… …The Coroner ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ %%% BOOK 6 %%% WARNING: Dont fuck with this shit! CORONERS NOTE: None of the lines advertised in these files have anything to do with powers of the occult in any way! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ CONJURATION OF THE FIRE GOD ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ {This is a real short book…but then lifes a bitch isnt it!} Spirit of the Fire, Remember! GIBIL, Spirit of the Fire, Remember! GIRRA, Spirit of the Flames, Remember! Oh God of Fire, mighty son of ANU, Most terrifying among Thy Brothers, Rise! O God of the Furnace, God of Destruction, Remember! Rise up, O God of Fire, GIBIL, in Thy Majesty, and devour my enimies! GIBIL GASHRU UMUNA YANDURU TUSHTE YESH SHIR ILLANI U MA YALKI! GISHBAR IA ZI IA IA ZI DINGIR GIRRA KANPA! Rise up, son of the Flaming Disk of ANU! Rise up, offspring of the Goldem Weapon of MARDUK! It is not I, but ENKI, Master of Magicians who summons Thee! It is not I, but MARDUK, Slayer of the Serpent, who calls Thee here now! Burn the Evil and the Evildoer! Burn the Scorcer and the Scorceress! Singe Them! Burn Them! Destroy Them! Consume Their powers! Carry Them away! Rise up, GISHBR BA GIBBIL BA GIRRA ZI AGA KANPA! Spirit of the God of Fire, Thou art conjured! KAKKAMMANUNU! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thats it! as always Ive left out a certain number of phrases that will render the conjuration useless due to the danger involved! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ %%% BOOK 7 %%% WARNING: This is a very dangerous volume! I suggest that it only be read by those with a good understanding of the power ratio between Jesus Christ and Satan (Satan=0:Jesus=100000000000000000x) <— To prove a point!!! CORONERS NOTE: None of the Sysops of the lines listed above have ANYTHING to do with supernatural powers in any way, shape, or form!!!! THE BOOK OF MAKLU OF THE BURNING OF THE EVIL SPIRITS ———————————— Here are the Banishments, the Burnings, and the Bindings handed down to us by ENKI, the Master. They are to be preformed over the AGA MASS SSARATU (which is explained in Book 8) by the Priest, with the appropriate images as described herein. The incantations must be recited after t

    Comment by Guilio Lollorosso — September 8, 2007 @ 6:09 am | Reply

  303. This site is an outlandish attempt at a joke, right? Because I’m certain no-one who really believed the stuff in the original post would know how to use a computer. Or have time to tear themselves away from their sister and/or right wing propaganda studies to post it…

    Comment by inca_roads — September 8, 2007 @ 2:31 pm | Reply

  304. What a kind caring person to say ‘Burn in Hell Frank Zappa’ – I hope you arent a religious man.

    First of all your ‘interpretation’ of this video shows a complete lack of critical thinking or reasoning ability – Do you know anything about the censorship cases that Zappa was involved in that are referred to here? Go do some research on them. Frank’s stance was simply that the government should not have the right to censor music – He wasnt supporting incest in this video, in his music, or in his case at all. As he said, the lyrics in question were from a Prince album, and the whole thing began when Tipper Gore bought the album for her young daughter. Now im sorry but just because someobody has such a lack of judgement that they buy their child a prince cd doesnt meant that all of the sudden the rest of us have to be protected from their stupidity by censorship. Franks opinion is pretty logical and really the way the world works – If you find something offensive, nobody is going to make you buy/listen to/watch it.

    As far as his music, im sorry but anyone who says that frank zappa was not one of the most gifted musical minds of the last 100 years has no idea what they are talking about. The music he wrote pushed the boundaries of composition and instrumentation in so many ways and continued to be musical and entertaining. He is now starting to be regarded among twentieth century academic composers as a peer who truly accomplished something profound with his music. And theres a reason why lists of his previous band members reads like a who’s who of contemporary virtuoso instrumentalists. Just check out all of the people who worked with him throughout the years.

    Of course I dont expect someone as biased and prejudiced as the guy who wrote this blog to even read this whole post, but its worth at least stating in the off chance that you arent just a total asshole.

    Comment by guitarmonkey55 — September 8, 2007 @ 8:48 pm | Reply

  305. The so called Christians who bash a man they know nothing about, ought to be ashamed of themselves.

    Comment by zombie1210 — September 9, 2007 @ 5:01 pm | Reply

  306. “This site is an outlandish attempt at a joke, right?”

    No.

    “As far as his music, im sorry but anyone who says that frank zappa was not one of the most gifted musical minds of the last 100 years has no idea what they are talking about. The music he wrote pushed the boundaries of composition and instrumentation in so many ways and continued to be musical and entertaining. He is now starting to be regarded among twentieth century academic composers as a peer who truly accomplished something profound with his music. And theres a reason why lists of his previous band members reads like a who’s who of contemporary virtuoso instrumentalists. Just check out all of the people who worked with him throughout the years.”

    Sinful music encouraging lewdness and inappropriate gyrations is nothing to boast of, particularly when the lyrics consist of rank perversion.

    “The so called Christians who bash a man they know nothing about, ought to be ashamed of themselves.”

    We are the only true Americans and Christians. Those other people are not.

    Comment by Sisyphus — September 10, 2007 @ 1:18 pm | Reply

  307. I’m not here to defend Zappa; a man needs no defending after he’s dead. If there is a god, he’s either in heaven or hell, if there is no god, he’s turning into dirt. Either way, there’s nothing we here can do about it. I’m here to defend myself from gross attacks on me personally.

    “Zappa even attempts to co-opt the position of his opponents. “I’m a conservative.”” As it turns out, Zappa follows the principles of Libertarianism to a T. I think what gets confused in the jumble of modern politics is the hypocracy of the Republican Party… the idea that they don’t want a strong, centralized government, but wish the government to control the way our society thinks and acts. This isn’t conservatism, a rather brilliant ideal, but it is republicanism. At least, republicanism as it was displayed after the Democrats decided they couldn’t support segregation in the south.

    Also, someone up there (who I REALLY didn’t want to waste my time learning his name) basically told me that I’m a conformist because I flock to everything that FZ does, and that FZ would disown me or hate me or something because I… and I’m really confused on the further points.

    Why would FZ hate or disown me for believing in what he believed in? I don’t think he’d care, unless it was to praise my judgment for being so similar to his own. Is everyone who follows YOUR crusade a mindless conformist? Or are they individuals with common beliefs? I’m an individual, who has no musical talent and has only a passing interest in some of FZ’s work, which I find to occasionally be tasteless and unnecessarily crude, but in the end I find it hard to vilify a man because he had an opinion contrary to my own.

    Besides, as the Christ once said,

    1″Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

    3″Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” Matthew 7:1-3

    And as James once wrote:

    9My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, 20for man’s anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires. James 1:19-20

    and

    26If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless. James 1:26

    and

    1Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. James 3:1

    and

    13Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. 14But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. 15Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. 16For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice.

    17But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. 18Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness. James 3:13-17

    It’s funny how you ‘modern’ ‘Christians’ have never read the bible, or if you have, you haven’t taken to heart what it really says and means. You stand here on your post, and preach to us about how rotten a man you did not understand was. You are full of an anger that is neither holy nor is it just, and by all means I do not understand why you spend so much time here, generating a perfect case against a brilliant and beautiful religion.

    As another aside to Sisyphus, the definition of American is “a native or inhabitant of the United States.” So what you’re basically saying is that you and people who think like you are the only people who truly inhabit or are a native of the United States? How do you explain my address then? is California not a part of the United States? Pray tell, what nationality AM I? I’m really curious, because I think there might have been a mix-up at the passport office… they claimed I WAS an american…

    Finally, Christian refers to people who believe that Jesus Christ died for their sins, nothing more, nothing less. You do not have to follow the teachings of Jesus or anyone else to be a ‘christian,’ as evidenced by you and yours ignoring all of the book of James and most of the sermon on the mount.

    And lastly, to everyone here claiming to be christian but continues to attack a dead man, and claims ME as pathetic…

    Get out of my religion please.

    Comment by James — September 10, 2007 @ 2:42 pm | Reply

  308. Hey,Mr. Muffinman you´re an idiot! Music is the Best !!

    Comment by Jorg — September 10, 2007 @ 3:34 pm | Reply

  309. We are the only true Americans and Christians. Those other people are not.

    Comment by Sisyphus — September 10, 2007 @ 1:18 pm

    SISYPHUS…I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DUEL!!!

    Comment by Kipling — September 11, 2007 @ 9:11 am | Reply

  310. We are the only true Americans and Christians. Those other people are not.

    Comment by Sisyphus — September 10, 2007 @ 1:18 pm

    You and Psychout are poseurs. Neither of you two are remotely as American as Frank Zappa. You guys are America haters. Zappa stood up against censors, revisionists and charlatans, the kind of people who are trying to turn America into Afganistan. If you guys get your way, we’ll be changing the name of our country to AfganAmerica in a few years.

    Comment by Spacebrother — September 11, 2007 @ 11:38 am | Reply

  311. FRANK ZAPPA
    Great guitarist
    Great composer
    Human being (just like you)
    Good man (Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God)Matt.19:17

    Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Luke 6:37

    For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Romans 3:23

    Wake up before Jesus Thinks You’re A Jerk

    Comment by ed hart — September 11, 2007 @ 1:00 pm | Reply

  312. “We are the only true Americans”,
    as far as I know the only true Americans are the native Americans, or “Indians” as some may call them.

    Which tribe are you from, Sisyphus?

    Comment by K.J. Dobson — September 11, 2007 @ 5:52 pm | Reply

  313. “SISYPHUS…I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DUEL!!!”

    Sure thing, Brit.

    “Which tribe are you from, Sisyphus?”

    I’m an American, and a Christian. I’ve never left America since birth, and I’ve never left Jesus since finding Him. Is that tribe enough for you?

    Comment by Sisyphus — September 12, 2007 @ 1:13 pm | Reply

  314. I’m an American, and a Christian. I’ve never left America since birth, and I’ve never left Jesus since finding Him. Is that tribe enough for you?

    Comment by Sisyphus — September 12, 2007 @ 1:13 pm

    You’re no Christian. I laughed when I read that.

    Comment by Spacebrother — September 12, 2007 @ 2:13 pm | Reply

  315. This blog sucks ass.

    Comment by zombie1210 — September 12, 2007 @ 5:31 pm | Reply

  316. Is this ridiculous Frank Zappa post still going?

    Comment by Adam Nelson — September 12, 2007 @ 7:17 pm | Reply

  317. Lame bastards, Frank Zappa and music are the best!!

    Comment by Ismael — September 12, 2007 @ 9:40 pm | Reply

  318. didn’t look at this thread until today
    looks like I missed the fun,

    Brownback’s a Senator from Kansas, where I live, and I haven’t seen a single bill he voted on that I agreed with or could get behind. So you can say, politically, he doesn’t represent me or my ilk. He says he wants to bring back decency and Christian virtue back to America. But that’s a slogan aimed at the heartstrings that he knows are connected to the pursestrings. Not saying he doesn’t BELIEVE in the flag and the pie and gideon’s bibles and abortion protesters and the visiting-inmate-program and saturday night revivals. Of course he does, that’s the slice of America he’s most fond of. Fair enough.
    But what he sees as the right road is based on the ‘Should-Be’ of how he and his church think we all (that is, the rest of us, too) should act, according to their belief of their God. That’s where they start, ‘the ‘should-be’ of ‘thou shalt’; the should-be of new wine; the should-be of John Calvin, John Milton, Thomas a’ Kempis, Martin Luther, Georg Hegel, Max Weber, Karl Barth and Billy Graham; the should-be implied in Matthew 7:15-27; or M’t 5:22-26 or the should-be stated in 1 Corinthians 1:18-25;
    . . . Here Jesus and Paul use the same word ‘moron’ (in the greek texts available . . .) to describe two kinds of fools and foolishness.
    which one are you, gracious bloggerhost? someone who calls his brother a fool or someone who calls himself a fool for Christ? what does it mean to be a fool for Christ? “Whooooo could imagine?”

    On the other hand, there is a growing pedigree of peoples who prefer to start out looking at things from a What-Is perspective, rather than always comparing to some ‘should-be’ that might not be so readily agreed upon, by everybody. The people who open their eyes and their ears and try to apprehend What-Is from What-Is-Not. It’s been empirically documented somewhere that things can be built and accomplished with what-is and that knowledge of the what-is is more useful in the long-term than striving after a should-be that might not (re)materialise.
    An interesting thought is that the Apollo missions to the moon, i.e. the moon landing, was accomplished thru a combination of both. Using science (a product of the What-Is standpoint) with a sense that we should-be able to put men on the moon.
    The ancients had their go at this duality of ideas too. Plato was into apprehending the light itself, outside of the cave, not just the shadows on the wall : read: should-be enthusiast. Aristotle wasn’t sure if anybody’d discovered that there WAS light outside of the cave, . . . the sources seemed to be suspect.

    and so it goes.
    some notable adherents to the What-Is:
    Lenny Bruce, Frank Zappa, Albert Einstein, Teddy Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson

    another notable should-be adherent: L Ron Hubbard and Pope John Paul II

    the thing is, is to see that both the what-is and the should-be adherents NEED each other to survive, in order to get heard at all . . . while they kill each other off in the process

    and THEN put a motor in Yourself

    Comment by punkin'ed — September 13, 2007 @ 2:33 pm | Reply

  319. “Brownback’s a Senator from Kansas, where I live, and I haven’t seen a single bill he voted on that I agreed with or could get behind.”

    That’s because you hate America. Why do you hate us?

    “and so it goes.
    some notable adherents to the What-Is:
    Lenny Bruce, Frank Zappa, Albert Einstein, Teddy Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson

    another notable should-be adherent: L Ron Hubbard and Pope John Paul II”

    Is this English?

    Comment by Sisyphus — September 13, 2007 @ 6:53 pm | Reply

  320. Is this ridiculous Frank Zappa post still going?

    Comment by Adam Nelson — September 12, 2007 @ 7:17 pm

    Frank Zappa’s legacy will live on for perhaps hundreds of years. Brownback will be forgotten after the primaries in a few months.

    Comment by Spacebrother — September 14, 2007 @ 2:13 pm | Reply

  321. peole are leaving the church in droves and returning to the creator

    Comment by michael — September 15, 2007 @ 1:13 am | Reply

  322. what the creator was and is.. the lord of hosts . some people with self sanctifing minds believe their spirit is separate from the host ,the body being .zappa worked tirelessly to educate on the whole spectrum of modern anthropology.pointing that contrary to doctrine that purports sex to be bad,sex is a healthy activity.so in essence,the mind,body and spirit are but one and without host the spirit is rendered null. zappa was closer to the way of jesus than many of these nice neo fascist types who masquerade as messianic syndrome, jesus will save us nitwits(what happen to god?).jesus might judge you, but you want to help yourselves.besides im sure that if jesus come a second time ,you ,like you did 2000 years ago ,would denounce him cause he would be saying things you dont like ,just like mister zappa.you’d probably give him a lethal injection cause you’se are nice guys,and walk around for the next 2000 years with syringes around your necks. idol worshipers! end of blog.

    Comment by michael — September 15, 2007 @ 1:34 am | Reply

  323. I’m an American, and a Christian. I’ve never left America since birth, and I’ve never left Jesus since finding Him. Is that tribe enough for you?
    Comment by Sisyphus — September 12, 2007 @ 1:13 pm

    No actually it sounds like you’re a little sheltered to me, wait, I mean a lot sheltered. Now I understand the blog. I feel for you.

    Comment by Kipling — September 19, 2007 @ 10:02 am | Reply

  324. “No actually it sounds like you’re a little sheltered to me, wait, I mean a lot sheltered. Now I understand the blog. I feel for you.”

    Please don’t touch me, moonbat.

    Comment by Sisyphus — September 19, 2007 @ 10:06 am | Reply

  325. “I’ve never left America since birth”

    This sentence just makes it clear that your vision of the world is very one sided. You should travel and see that this planet is bigger than America only.

    Comment by K.J. Dobson — September 20, 2007 @ 9:21 am | Reply

  326. p.s. American nor Christian are tribes,
    look up the meaning of the word tribe in a dictionary please !!

    Comment by K.J. Dobson — September 20, 2007 @ 9:23 am | Reply

  327. You are a loonie, Sissy-Puss

    Comment by M.F.Klagenfurter — September 20, 2007 @ 9:34 am | Reply

  328. That’s the problem with neocons. They have this grave conceit about them where they think they’re the only people that matter. Sorta similar to a retarded 6-year-old who doesn’t want to go outside and play.

    Comment by Adam Nelson — September 20, 2007 @ 9:48 am | Reply

  329. FZ was great. He just reported on some of the sick things found in human societies; he wasn’t supporting criminal things, just the right to speak about it. He was a mirror of our society, so if you hated FZ, you probably hate yourself!

    As for comparing him to Hitler…let’s just say there’s more stupidity in the universe than there is hydrogen!

    By the way, it’s very cowardly to pick on a dead man who can’t come forward anymore to defend himself! Grow up already.

    Comment by Mudshark — September 24, 2007 @ 12:08 pm | Reply

  330. I see no one has been able to rebut me. Yall are terrific representations of Christians, and I love you all very much, but please, PLEASE go hide in a hole while me and mine fix this PR mess you’ve given us.

    Comment by James — September 24, 2007 @ 11:56 pm | Reply

  331. “FZ was great. He just reported on some of the sick things found in human societies; he wasn’t supporting criminal things, just the right to speak about it. He was a mirror of our society, so if you hated FZ, you probably hate yourself!”

    Easily the stupidest thing ever said.

    “I see no one has been able to rebut me.”

    Sorry, I wasn’t listening.

    Comment by Sisyphus — September 25, 2007 @ 6:34 pm | Reply

  332. “The first toasters were guesswork, divinely inspired guesswork.”

    Easily the stupidest thing ever said.

    Comment by Adam Nelson — September 26, 2007 @ 10:26 am | Reply

  333. Fuck You,you ingnorant idiot.You have absolutely NO idea as to what you are saying.Get it right!

    Comment by Lee Cornell — September 26, 2007 @ 3:01 pm | Reply

  334. “Sorry, I wasn’t listening.”

    Comment by Sisyphus — September 25, 2007

    Well finally some truth from Sissy-Puss…..he admits that he does not listen to other people

    Comment by Ozymandias — September 27, 2007 @ 5:09 pm | Reply

  335. This blog kind of inspired me,
    hereby a song dedicated to Sisiphus
    which will be soon availeable in a record store near you

    enjoy!!!
    (and smile a lot)

    Little Hitler has a blog
    He talks rubbish and lacks a cock
    Little Hitler thinks a lot
    about having us all shot

    He got castrated by religion at the age of five
    He is so paranoid that he has no real life
    He hides behind a nickname…..oh well
    he says we are gonna burn in hell

    Little Hitler get a life
    Your ideals got burned in nineteen forty five
    Little Hitler you are pityful
    blame yourself, and not us all

    Comment by James Glass — September 27, 2007 @ 5:26 pm | Reply

  336. Hello dear Sisyphus,
    I just subscribed you to a few hundreds of mailing groups, for you were intelligent enough to put your e-mail on this site…..
    Have fun with it….lol

    Comment by Punisher — September 27, 2007 @ 6:28 pm | Reply

  337. For you shall harvest the bitter fruits of the seeds of hatred that you have planted. Purify your soul while reading reading and reading ……hahaha…..ignorant redneck nazi pigloving hypergeek, übernerd…..burn haha…..suffer, homophobic amoeba.

    Comment by Punisher — September 28, 2007 @ 3:56 pm | Reply

  338. F— all of you. Frank Zappa was one of the greatest geniuses of 20th century rock music. Did you know that he was actually one of the smartest (probably the smartest kid) in his school. And where the fuck do you c–ksuckers get the idea that he supported incest. Maybe you’re just upset that you weren’t creative enough to name your kids Dweezil and Ahmet and Moon Unit. Frank Zappa is the reincarnation of Jesus Christ. So if anybody asks you, now you know.

    [Ed Note: Swearing makes baby Jesus cry.]

    Comment by willruddock — September 30, 2007 @ 12:20 pm | Reply

  339. FRANK ZAPPA NEVER ENDORSED INCEST! YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

    Comment by chilly — September 30, 2007 @ 5:35 pm | Reply

  340. Hey EDNOTE guy…….Jesus is no baby anymore, uhhh….he grew up.

    Comment by Moxom — October 1, 2007 @ 1:37 pm | Reply

  341. This blog kind of inspired me,
    hereby a song dedicated to Sisiphus
    which will be soon availeable in a record store near you

    enjoy!!!
    (and smile a lot)

    Little Hitler has a blog
    He talks rubbish and lacks a cock
    Little Hitler thinks a lot
    about having us all shot

    He got castrated by religion at the age of five
    He is so paranoid that he has no real life
    He hides behind a nickname…..oh well
    he says we are gonna burn in hell

    Little Hitler get a life
    Your ideals got burned in nineteen forty five
    Little Hitler you are pityful
    blame yourself, and not us all

    Comment by James Glass — September 27, 2007 @ 5:26 pm

    This song definitely fits not only Sisyphus but also Psychout and that BJ guy as well (and probably several other of these nutjob Brownback supporters).

    Frank Zappa was ahead of his time not only musically but on social issues as well. He warned us about these fascist theocrats.

    Comment by Spacebrother — October 2, 2007 @ 8:53 am | Reply

  342. Anyone making a comment that Frank Zappa supported incest in itself is blapsphemous more than any so called words that could ever been put together.

    Frank Zappa was an American Pioneer of thought. He spent hundreds of thousands of hours of his life closely analyzing and artistically and or politically commenting on all the social elements presented itself through mass quantities of mediums. Never one to be pigeon holed by Mass Commercial Media or Religious beliefs wher if one only follows these narrow minded guidelines the ability to rationally reason on issues would become Orwelian in nature.

    Frank supported the idea that individuals should actually think by using their an eyes and ears not trusting the One False Political Or Religious Flag. He looked at as many views of any given item as possible processign it all by carefully analyzing not only every scientific possibility but pushign the envelope of human thought beyond even the proven realms of science.

    In the context here we are talking about of lyrics. Words.

    I think the actions of War are far more damaging to humanity that seems on the brink of extinction. If it is GOD that you believe you better start praying. If you believe maybe that is what it will take to stop the egos of War crushing humanity.

    Joni Mitchell: A Resurgence of Music and Art
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14766057

    Green Flag Song
    http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/features/2007/sep/mitchell_slideshow/index.html

    Strong and Wrong
    by Joni Mitchell
    Strong and wrong you win–
    Only because
    That’s the way its always been.
    Men love war!
    That’s what history’ s for.
    History…
    A mass–murder mystery…
    His story

    Strong and wrong
    You lose everything
    Without the heart
    You need
    To hear a robin sing
    Where have all the songbirds gone?
    Gone!
    All I hear are crows in flight
    Singing might is right
    Might is right!

    Oh the dawn of man comes slow
    Thousands of years
    And here we are…
    Still worshiping
    Our own ego

    Strong and wrong
    What is God’s will?
    Onward Christian soldiers…
    Or thou shall not kill…
    Men love war!
    Is that what God is for?
    Just a Rabbit’s foot?
    Just a lucky paw
    For shock and awe?
    Shock and awe!

    The dawn of man comes slow
    Thousands of years
    Here we are
    Still worshiping
    Our own ego
    Strong and Wrong!
    Strong and Wrong!

    Copyright © 2007; Crazy Crow Music

    Comment by Strong and Wrong — October 5, 2007 @ 10:39 am | Reply

  343. What a stupid fucked up moron you are. Vote for you? You must be kidding.
    Frank got people voting at his US concerts. He was not some evil person as you seem to think, he was into freedom and democracy.
    You just seem to be some twerp who more than likely gets off with Larry Craig in the bog.
    So go fuck yourself.

    Comment by Dave McMann — October 5, 2007 @ 11:31 am | Reply

  344. i cant believe this blog is real seems to me like some adolescents pulling a scam.maybe syphillus is a 14 year old wanker who post this s**t just to annoy people cause this baby jesus will cry garbage just dont hold water do your selves a favour and end this here

    Comment by michael — October 5, 2007 @ 6:31 pm | Reply

  345. Sisiphus is a Cylon!!!

    Comment by Gaius Baltar — October 6, 2007 @ 4:26 am | Reply

  346. HAHA that is the most funniest/stupidest thing Iv ever read. You probably think he ate spit on stage to, huh? You obviously have ZERO clue what you are talking about. HAHAHA Uhhh its simple here folks: Zappa=SMART, musical genious, man with charisma. Psycheout= poor missinformed fool. Sorry to break it to you man. pffffmuhahahaha.

    [Ed Note: Do you have any idea who actually authored this post? If not, wheatgurm=fool.]

    Comment by wheatgurm — October 9, 2007 @ 10:19 pm | Reply

  347. Oh yea, did I tell you I worship Satan?

    Comment by wheatgurm — October 9, 2007 @ 10:38 pm | Reply

  348. omg

    think im the only person here who sees that the original post was a joke

    and im not a zappa fan being sarcastic, i got here via a google image search for ‘mold’

    (H)

    Comment by laimute — October 15, 2007 @ 6:27 pm | Reply

  349. truth is….brownback is irrelevant.

    zappa walked the walk.

    christian fundamentalists are pathetic.

    Comment by david bara — November 7, 2007 @ 7:25 pm | Reply

  350. Man, this is stupid. Zappa couldn’t care about these remarks if he was still alive. so shouldn’t the Zappa-fans. The only thing I have to say in return, is if you back-up this Brownback (if you’re a Zappa fan, you’d find this a funny word Zappa could use ti indicate something else…) guy, you must be blind for all the plastic fantastic smileshe’s giving and his campaign is ownly suitable for people with a very high income, really, and everyone knows that the most of Americans aren’t there. Brownback I wish he was called Bobby, you’d get Bobby Brownback goes down for a Zappa-song. There is one extra point I would like to make, and that is that Zappa wanted to confront every social, religious, ethnic or whatever group to show the world that every person is an subject for cabaret, jokes, prejudice and insults. Zappa was ahead of his time in terms of showing people what is being ignored by the christians here. Zappa wasn’t a republican (thank God) but Zappa was a human being who wanted to teach us a thing or two about his free spirit. Christian call that Satan, because there scared of it and atheists like the idea and Europeans live it.

    But anyway, this is useless. Talk about you Brownback fellow. (He must be a Robot manufactured by Bush…)

    Comment by Donan — November 8, 2007 @ 9:36 am | Reply

  351. so you’re slandering a dead man? what is the purpose of this, exactly? talking ill of a deceased person? a guy that can’t stand up for himself? what a bunch of cowards you are. you sure can lash out when you know the object of your derision can’t hit back. typical.

    Comment by mickers — November 8, 2007 @ 12:04 pm | Reply

  352. Let them bad mouth Frank all they want; Brownback is a loser and anyone who supports a Bush-clone like that is probably one too.

    Comment by Derk — November 8, 2007 @ 1:41 pm | Reply

  353. The genius of Frank Zappa is not his music – it’s his irony.

    “Sometimes the dumbest thing that gets said makes the point for you.”

    Comment by Krystin — November 8, 2007 @ 9:58 pm | Reply

  354. Yawn.

    Comment by Elio Emliano Ligi — November 8, 2007 @ 10:40 pm | Reply

  355. Brownback is missing out on some wonderful music.

    Brownback services mythology.

    Comment by Kevin Hoover — November 8, 2007 @ 11:24 pm | Reply

  356. “truth is….brownback is irrelevant.

    zappa walked the walk.

    christian fundamentalists are pathetic.”

    Comment by david bara — November 7, 2007 @ 7:25 pm

    I agree with this statement 100%.

    Comment by Spacebrother — November 9, 2007 @ 10:08 am | Reply

  357. no comment.

    Comment by mr pants — November 9, 2007 @ 12:39 pm | Reply

  358. You’re an idiot, Spacebrother. So is your friend, David bra.

    Comment by Sisyphus — November 9, 2007 @ 1:05 pm | Reply

  359. Heck!! I thought this site was serious!
    Boy, am I an poopchute.

    Dur-Hey!

    Comment by scott — November 9, 2007 @ 1:57 pm | Reply

  360. “Politics is the Entertainment branch of Industry.”
    – FZ

    HALLELUJA!
    Thank Jeebus – Brownback chickened out.
    If you typify his supporters, that may have been one of the very rare acts of true human decency he ever committed.

    Am I mistaken or did he REALLY advocate nuking Iran?
    Mark of a true sociopath, in case anyone’s keeping score.

    Also a funny little thing they call mass murder … but hey, come to think of it, that’s REAL traditional Christianity, right out of the OT, isn’t it? Or are you another of these cherry-pickers that ignores the OT? Kill anybody for eating shellfish lately? LOOK IT UP – IT’S GOD’S LAW – IN BLACK & WHITE. Disobey & you are damned, period. Don’t argue with ME, argue with King James, bubba. Or maybe take it up with Yahweh himself?

    What book of the Bible advocates desecrating corpses again?
    I must have missed it … or maybe I just didn’t get the human-skin-bound “Horst Wessel” edition, like some VERY INTELLIGENT folks.

    No Zappa worshipper, & that’s one heck of a concept in its own right, but “dOOd” – it’s pretty obvious he’d’ve had you for lunch if you’d spewed this retarded drivel about the man while he was alive. Smart enough to mentally curb-stomp both of us (& two or three Much Brighter Individuals) before he had his morning coffee, & yet someone’s still enough of a chowder-head to call him STUPID?! He wanted to launch the Napster concept in the SEVENTIES via phone-lines, does that even give you a clue?

    What a bloody hero, totally trashing & misrepresenting someone that isn’t around to defend himself – but then, that’s SOP for the GOP. SwiftBoating is now a verb, thanks to your Great American Heroes, Bush & Rove.

    You sad sacks of decaying human pus … thank your Imaginary Cop for the ignorance that keeps the shredded integuments of your twisted little faux-reality intact. You plainly lack the morals, the intellect or the maturity to stomach the alternative.

    Guy’s been stone dead for almost 15 years – hey, wow, so has the conscience of the USA!

    Coincidence?

    Comment by jim — November 9, 2007 @ 2:04 pm | Reply

  361. The stupidity of people posting a blog to put down someone who has passed away goes beyond the usual bull of this site, Sisy has stooped to a whole new low here, congratulations on making yourself the winner of the lowest life form on Earth award.
    Show me a REAL christian that would insult the dead in this way. What you are is the spawn of evil.

    Comment by Arn Lewis — November 9, 2007 @ 2:26 pm | Reply

  362. “You’re an idiot, Spacebrother. So is your friend, David bra.”

    Comment by Sisyphus — November 9, 2007 @ 1:05 pm

    I never met him in my life but he’s right on all points.

    Brownbacks toast and Zappa’s legacy will outlast our lifetime.

    “Sisy has stooped to a whole new low here, congratulations on making yourself the winner of the lowest life form on Earth award.
    Show me a REAL christian that would insult the dead in this way. What you are is the spawn of evil.”

    Comment by Arn Lewis — November 9, 2007 @ 2:26 pm

    Sisyphus better get used to stooping where he’s headed. Plooked by Satan.

    Comment by Spacebrother — November 9, 2007 @ 3:50 pm | Reply

  363. This is the Best. Parody. Site. Ever.

    These guys have to be huge Frank fans.

    Burned in a dumpster. You guys crack me up.

    http://crushallboxes.blogspot.com/

    Comment by Kevpod — November 10, 2007 @ 12:39 am | Reply

  364. All of you people are going to Hell. Frank Zappa will be signing autographs there, so you probably think it’s a GOOD thing.

    Comment by Sisyphus — November 10, 2007 @ 7:00 am | Reply

  365. Sisy, you sound like that sound sample Frank used in the ’88 tour – “Yer goin’ t’hell.”

    Comment by Kevin Hoover — November 10, 2007 @ 11:38 am | Reply

  366. Didn’t Zappa write lyrics that were meant to get up the noses of narrow minded bigoted christians like this? Job done.

    Comment by gerard — November 10, 2007 @ 3:29 pm | Reply

  367. Can someone please tell me where “vegetable lust” is forbidden in the Bible? I can find proscriptions against animal lust, and man-on-man lust, but I need to know as I once had sex with the core of an applewhich I had heated in a microwave )I was young and foolish and did it after hearing about a book that some guy wrote on the Johnny Carson show). Will I go to hell?

    Comment by Lamarr Bruister — November 11, 2007 @ 4:02 am | Reply

  368. I need to clarify: an apple which I had cored and put it in a microwave with whipped cream- just for the sake of clarity.

    Comment by Lamarr Bruister — November 11, 2007 @ 4:11 am | Reply

  369. Zappa was a great man but gene vincent had bad breath.Fruity ,

    Comment by burn de faggots — November 11, 2007 @ 12:26 pm | Reply

  370. Lamarr Bruister:: I’m confused, did you have sex with the core or the apple, and did you eat the apple when you were finished having sex with it?

    Comment by Arn Lewis — November 11, 2007 @ 2:50 pm | Reply

  371. Blogs 4 Brownback need to stop sucking the pud of the dude they’re supporting. And do research on FZ before bashing him and advising desecration of a corpse–you sick motherlovers need to look at yourselves and see how ignorant you are. Look, go masturbate over your Bibles and shove your rosary beads up your bunghole, then talk about how Jesus saved your life before attacking a perfectly sane, politically aware, musically ingenious man who should rest in peace and be admired for his thoughts and gifts to entertainment (films, records, even a few paintings).

    Comment by CUFK — November 12, 2007 @ 2:38 am | Reply

  372. “Will I go to hell?”

    Yes.

    “Blogs 4 Brownback need to stop sucking the pud of the dude they’re supporting.”

    Brownback is America’s last hope. He’s the only man who can save this country from the mess men like Zappa have made of it.

    “And do research on FZ before bashing him and advising desecration of a corpse–you sick motherlovers need to look at yourselves and see how ignorant you are.”

    Did he, or did he not, write a song called “Brown Shoes Don’t Make It” on the album aptly titled “Absolutely Free”?

    “Look, go masturbate over your Bibles and shove your rosary beads up your bunghole, then talk about how Jesus saved your life before attacking a perfectly sane, politically aware, musically ingenious man who should rest in peace and be admired for his thoughts and gifts to entertainment (films, records, even a few paintings).”

    There is still time for you to repent.

    Comment by Sisyphus — November 12, 2007 @ 8:42 am | Reply

  373. This B4B blog sucks::::::::::::

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    Comment by disciple4jeebus — November 12, 2007 @ 10:34 am | Reply

  374. I am a hardcore Zappa fan, a Deist and Libertarian and still have more morals than any Christian I know. Politics in general is the true evil.

    Comment by Brandon — November 13, 2007 @ 12:37 am | Reply

  375. I got two things to say here.

    1) The editor of this blog missed some profanity posts. Oops?

    2) This whole discussion is ridiculous. There’s enough stupidity in the universe to choke a whole race of people on it. I got disinterested about the rest of the blog replies somewhere around the 60th post, so I’ll just presume that the axe hasn’t been buried yet. I’m a man of faith, raised in a somewhat Christian way, but my parents were wise enough to let me choose my own way of life. So I grew out from the ways of church, because they couldn’t offer me what my soul wanted. And that was music. Years went by, until I finally found the music and the genius of Frank Zappa. The thing is, extremist groups can never find peace together, be it with religious activists, politicians, the Official members of the True Americans group, or Zappa-fanatics. I thank my lucky stars that I was not born as an American, nor shall I ever be one. I hate politics in general and extreme religious groups. I even hate some Zappa-fans, because some of them can be idiots. But as far as I’m concerned, if the history according to the Bible is true, Jesus was a cool guy with some nice ideas, who died because people didn’t like him. Think of Saddam Hussein here, only with magical powers. But Frank Zappa was a genius, a family man and a great thinker, who died of a horrible disease, but worked on his music until he could work no more. And we do know more about Frank Zappa than we do of Jesus the assumed Christ. Oh well. As far as I’m concerned, FZ was more the Real True American than, say, GWB. Rant over.

    Comment by Jacques — November 13, 2007 @ 5:05 am | Reply

  376. ah ah ah
    this discussion has gone way too far… and i love it ! As a french, i love american points of view ( terrorists, god and everything ), it just cracks me up. As far as i’m concerned, i’m a hardcore zappa lover, i love the man, the music, and ( most of all ) the HUMOR. All i have to say is : if some guy want to dig up Frank Zappa and burn his body, it means to me that Zappa achieved something great : make christians crazy and violent just with some songs and jokes ( however, i realize american christians seem quite violent already… our christians in france try to spread a message of love and tolerance, it’s a good thing to do, but a total loss of time, lol ). Anyway, the guy who started this discussion should have anticipated the zappa fans’ response ( and, of course, we should reply HERE ON THIS PAGE ). The ghost of Frank Zappa is laughing so loud I hear him from where i am. Peace to all TRUE christians, and Zappa lovers

    Comment by john smith — November 13, 2007 @ 11:46 am | Reply

  377. “Zappa supported incest.”

    Are you a moron? There’s a big difference between supporting incest, and supporting the right to speak ABOUT incest. Your argument is based on well-worn Republican tricks, the very same as labelling as “traitors” those who question the Iraq war.

    Zappa once said, “Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.” This entirely sums up the core principles of our constitution – dissent should be welcome and embraced! disagreement and debate over the ideas contained in such dissent is an inherent part of progress, and also must be embraced.

    Your opinion that the best thing we can do today is to burn Zappa’s body in a dumpster is truly ridiculous and exposes you as a coward who cannot refute arguments based on merit, as you simply resort to the old republican mantra of “They’re wrong, so let’s kill them.”

    I propose a new title for this posting: “We shall re-kill-ify those who oppose our way.”

    People like you make me so sad, as it’s ridiculous that my taxes indirectly support you and everything that you have, but you have so little respect for the constitutional foundation of this country that provides for you. All I can wish upon you is tolerance and understanding. Additionally, a point I neglected earlier is that there is, and has been for some time, a growing difference between “Conservative” and “Republican”. It is certainly possible to be one, and not the other. Selah…

    Comment by LRonHoover — November 13, 2007 @ 3:18 pm | Reply

  378. “I am a hardcore Zappa fan, a Deist and Libertarian and still have more morals than any Christian I know. Politics in general is the true evil.”

    “Your arrogance and folly will be your downfall.
    People like you make me so sad, as it’s ridiculous that my taxes indirectly support you and everything that you have, but you have so little respect for the constitutional foundation of this country that provides for you.”

    I support myself, moonbat. Your tax dollars go to funding artists who dip crucifixes in urine, and to teaching lies like Darwinism and Copernicanism in our schools.

    “All I can wish upon you is tolerance and understanding.”

    In other words, you want to fornicate with me. That’s not going to happen, sinner.

    “Additionally, a point I neglected earlier is that there is, and has been for some time, a growing difference between “Conservative” and “Republican”. It is certainly possible to be one, and not the other. Selah…”

    True. The party is rife with RINOs. When Brownback wins his write-in candidacy, we’re going to clean house.

    Comment by Sisyphus — November 13, 2007 @ 4:09 pm | Reply

  379. And when brownback pulls less than 0.5%?

    >“All I can wish upon you is tolerance and understanding.”
    >
    >In other words, you want to fornicate with me. That’s not going to happen, sinner.

    thank you again for proving my point that you are a coward who cannot confront an argument, nor anything else, on merit. does brownback even know that you are running this sham of a blog in his name?

    Comment by LRonHoover — November 13, 2007 @ 8:54 pm | Reply

  380. additionally, my tax dollars go not only to ridiculous forms of “art” (unfortunately), but towards municipal infrastructure that you most likely rely on, in some way, for your income, as well as your social security (provided that Sam doesn’t scalp you and leave your burnt corpse in a dumpster, for associating his name with your absurd rhetoric in support of his campaign).

    you could also be clearer in replying to various posters simultaneously. i didn’t post the quote: “I am a hardcore Zappa fan, a Deist and Libertarian… ”

    final thought – Darwinism and Copernicanism are not lies, they are theories. to some they are fact, to some they are lies, but in reality they are theories and nothing more – as is creationism. although proving any of these “-isms” is impossible, that does not make them lies.

    i’ll make you a real wager though – $20-US says brownback doesn’t even pull half-a-point (nationwide). email me: bowdowntozappa at yahoo. real deal, amigo – would you toss down a jackson?

    Comment by LRonHoover — November 13, 2007 @ 9:53 pm | Reply

  381. Not arrogance nor folly, just fact. People are all equal. The aspect of a government and blind faith in a person held as an authority figure creates social imbalance. Religion’s cool, but it’s for yourself–not anyone else.

    Comment by Brandon — November 13, 2007 @ 10:15 pm | Reply

  382. Also, Sisyphus:
    “it’s ridiculous that my taxes indirectly support you and everything that you have, but you have so little respect for the constitutional foundation of this country that provides for you.”
    It’s evident you love your fellow man. Also, the constitutional foundation of this country does not “provide” for me. I’m alive, and that’s a gift from “God.” Not the government.

    Comment by Brandon — November 13, 2007 @ 10:21 pm | Reply

  383. Darwinism and Copernicanism are lies? Holleeee sheeeeiittt!! You really are a goddamn moron.

    Comment by CUFK — November 21, 2007 @ 2:07 am | Reply

  384. Intellectual halfwits.(Pronounciation courtesy of Mark.E.Smith)

    Thankyou Sisyphus for drawing attention to this example of heroism.
    Never argue with an idiot, they bring you down to their level and win by experience.
    ‘Wherever he is now, I’m sure it’s hot and I don’t want to go there.’
    I’m Hoping it’s Andalucia.

    Come with me now Sisyphus.
    There is a different sort of rock you need to acquaint yourself with.

    Comment by Hermes Trismegistus — November 25, 2007 @ 5:37 pm | Reply

  385. First, I don’t think the guy who started this post thought it would extend to November.
    Second, I am a Christian who likes the music of Frank Zappa. I don’t agree with the political opinions he had other than capitalism and his right to profit from his work. I don’t agree with the Rock star lifestyle that many of them ascribed to. But I believe that Frank was anti-drug . Other than that, he was a tad left of center for me. But the genius of his music!!! Frank Zappa was the most prolific musical genius of the 20th century. Frank Zappa was THE musical genius of the 20th century. Where pop music has its formulaic scientists spewing 3 minute ditty after 3 minute ditty, Zappa CREATED in every genre-rock, pop, country, rap, opera, classical, chamber, jazz, blues…etc. No other musician/composer/song writer has accomplished that! He contributed to culture. Not everyone loves the entire body of work of one’s favorite artist, but nonetheless appreciates the effort and the body of work.

    So maintain the memory of the American Composer, Frank Zappa.
    By the way, I didn’t Google “Brownback” before writing this. Who or what is a Brownback? Sorry, I should know better.

    Comment by Zzysyphus — November 26, 2007 @ 8:46 pm | Reply

  386. I have to say, this is probably the funniest thing I’ve read all day.

    Your political views are so wrong it’s funny.

    Comment by bob — November 30, 2007 @ 10:12 pm | Reply

  387. here is a man supporting ones freedom, and heres you telling another person to burn in hell. if you cant understand the notion people are entitled to their own point of view in a country that is free, then you dont even deserve an opinion on a such a subject or man.
    so much anger directed to a man that passively supported peoples rights, its so ironic if there was a place called hell in which the souls of people eternally ‘burn’ you’d be at the front of the line.
    christianity is meant to support acceptance, if you dont support acceptance then your are a fascist, and its fascists like you that have tainted the good message christianity is meant to fundamentally stand for.

    religion is meant to be a guide to helping one live a fulfilled life, but all i see here is a collection of closed minded fascists using their religion for cover to exercise hatred.
    frank zappa’s music and mind is a true blessing and example of the miracle of human endeavor. whereas all you christian redneck retards expose is the failings of an out of date doctrine/brain washing corporation.
    [f-word] heaven or hell the only thing i pray for is that you somehow realise how futile your self righteous beliefs really are.

    Comment by das afrika — December 2, 2007 @ 8:59 pm | Reply

  388. How can you say this man supported incest just because it was in one of his songs? Ever listen to Pantera’s “Great Southern Trendkill?” Ever wonder what it was about? It was about killing black people, by George! And yet, there was no insanity towards them about it. No one called them racist. In fact, let’s round up ever good music artists in the world, line them up against a wall, and shoot them, because it seems that’s the only to effectively take “pornographic” music off the market.

    Dumb assholes.

    [Ed Note: Nobody cares about Pantera, whoever they are.]

    Comment by TNC — December 7, 2007 @ 3:10 pm | Reply

  389. See What I dont think you people realize is how much of a smart man he really was. I go to church frequently and play piano and organ for church very very frequently. As much as I love church, Frank Zappa was correct in a lot of things he said. The man was a genious, a musical mastermind. Frank Zappa was Atheist, and good for him, not all Atheists are going to burn in hell. I have friends who are very very strong Chritians and very strong Atheists, and there is nothing wrong with them. Frank Zappa did not say he did’nt belive in god, or certain things about religion, but certain things are very obscure, and people like Jimmy Swaggart who can preach about not doing wrong and finding god then end up having sex with a prostitue are those things he wants his chilren to stay away from. And I firmly agree. He bashed women in his music just as much as he bashed men. He always said, that he doesnt care what you have down there, he judges on the way people act, not on the orientation, or physical being of someone. I think you people all need to grow up. And if you honestly belive that he belived in incest, then you my friends are idiot’s. The man merely said that it may be wrong what “PRINCE”, not HIMSELF, wrote about in his songs but that doesnt give people the right to take it away from people because they think its wrong. He belived in Freedom Of Speech, not INCEST! Come on guys, if you want to bash someone for Incest why dont you talk about “The artist formely known as Prince”. Im not a crazy fan of Zappa’s, I do truely love his music, I do listen to it all the time, from his crazy but funny lyrics, to his classical music, to just his instrumentals. But that does’nt mean Im tastless, I listen to Elton John all the time, Beethoven, Debussy, Pink Floyd, Elvis, Tom Jones. And out of all of them Zappa seemed to be the most sane. He was just a man with a million ideas. People grow up!

    Comment by Tim — December 23, 2007 @ 10:39 pm | Reply

  390. Quotes

    “do you defend incest mr zappa?” – blue suit guy
    “No i have no interest in it” – frank zappa

    “prince has a right to sing about (incest), and i have a right to not buy it”

    Frank zappa cleary states he has no interest in incest. He is not defending the content of anyones lyrics, he is only defending the right for people to say whatever they want. The paragraphs written under the video are so obviously false and seem to be pulled out of the authors ass.

    Comment by Paul — December 29, 2007 @ 6:12 pm | Reply

  391. Happy New Year for all Zappa’s fans and keep the great work here hahahaha!!

    Comment by ZutboF — January 1, 2008 @ 3:37 am | Reply

  392. Zappa owns, you little fascist theocrat!

    Comment by Jacke — January 14, 2008 @ 5:09 pm | Reply

  393. “I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.”

    That was Zappa’s position here. That is all.

    Comment by The Ice Cream Man — January 23, 2008 @ 9:32 pm | Reply

  394. by the way… sam who? brownback? who the f*** is he? i’m sorry, did i forget about him already?

    Comment by LRonHoover — January 28, 2008 @ 11:37 am | Reply

  395. this guy is [mess]ed up
    ABCDEFZ

    Comment by edave — February 6, 2008 @ 1:22 pm | Reply

  396. You’re disgusting. You know, growing up is hard enough to do, and it’s even worse when I have to put up with people like you. Sisyphus, YOU people are the ones who deserve to be burned in a dumpster. If there were less religious nuts/hardcore conservatives such as yourself trying to ram your beliefs down everyone else’s throat, maybe more people would listen to you. That man fought for YOUR right to even start this blog. I wish the worst for you!

    Comment by Petit Wazette — February 21, 2008 @ 11:06 pm | Reply

  397. Frank once wrote “There’s a big difference between kneeling down and bending over” the author of this site is the biggest IDIOT I have ever read. How many children were molested by Catholic priest over the years. How many people were murdered by the Catholic church. Estimates are over 50 million. Yes you uniformed, low life, uneducated feces sucker. The Church and i mean MOST not ALL are a danger to the minds of young and old. Our country is going to HELL at a rapid pace thinks to the likes of christen gw bush. There is no one other than JESUS that had the wit wisdom or foreknowledge that the GREAT FRANK ZAPPA had. Of course i am not being entirely serious but even a low life like you should get the point. If i could reach out through this computer, i would choke the sh#t out of you. Jesus would surly think your a JERK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by LTZ D A BREE — March 13, 2008 @ 6:48 pm | Reply

  398. Why is that it takes a believer’s mind to get the best examples of true perversion? Zappa promoting incest? Probably too much NWO-gospel in your ears to listen carefully.
    Wait, I got it, Bush is a believer himself, right? On a mission for God? Right.
    Believe in any pre-historical story you like, just don’t try to get the world organized around it: we evolved, you know.

    Comment by eYes — April 11, 2008 @ 3:48 am | Reply

  399. Sisyphus is doomed to spout idiotic comments for all of eternity. Hellfire club is a club that Ben and his friends went to for orgies, etc. Yes, one of the founding fathers participated in gratious sex, excess alcohol consumption, . . . Why do you think they wrote the constitition? So, Ben and his friends could continue thier lifestyle.

    Comment by sisyphus is a moron — April 26, 2008 @ 8:00 am | Reply

  400. Zappa is a saint!

    Comment by ZutboF — May 9, 2008 @ 1:59 pm | Reply

  401. Wow, I have to say that Zappa really seemed to dominate that conversation, and I tended to agree with him more than the round fellow. Of course, Zappa stayed rather calm demeanored while roundy got all bumbly and flustered, and that certainly didn’t help his case. But yeah, I hafta side with Zappa on this one.
    What does my fellow Zappa fan, Marty think?

    Comment by Armand Jean du Plessis de Richelieu — May 11, 2008 @ 3:46 am | Reply

  402. Well well well. Here, once again we have evidence of two things:

    One, America is full of ugly-minded reactionary bigots who, in the name of their twisted book of fairytales, claim the right to spout hate-speak, bully and oppress every citizen;

    Two, America is also full of rather calmer, more rational intelligent individuals who know better than to listen to these demented thugs. It’s encouraging to see this blog being denounced as the shameful idiocy it is.

    Dig up a man’s corpse and burn it? Because his views weren’t the same as yours? Way to go. Or is it supposed to be ironic? And please don’t accuse us all of being conformist sheep for shouting you down – I don’t need to be told to come here and defend a dead man. I’m not a wannabe rebel. I call you out for your intolerance and your hatred because I think it needs to be said – not because “Zappa rulz d00d”.

    Comment by Oysterfrond — May 12, 2008 @ 11:54 am | Reply

  403. Some people just don’t get it….. I am sure this guy don’t get none!

    Comment by Jerry Ford — July 13, 2008 @ 1:44 pm | Reply

  404. By the way Lott’s children were also his grand children, Lott’s daughters seduced him while he was drunk. If the bible were read the same way some of the conservatives listen to Zappa’s music than the bible would be said to be promoting incest. We all know this is preposterous, just as it is evil to judge someone and say he should burn in hell.
    When a small minded person thinks music’s weird I turn the volume up. It’s only beyond their comprehension.
    Zappa was a great composer, don’t judge on sound bytes, maybe some of you pea brains should listen before you judge.

    Comment by Joe D — August 5, 2008 @ 8:55 pm | Reply

  405. once again… sam who?

    Comment by LRonHoover — September 24, 2008 @ 2:52 pm | Reply

  406. Frank Zappa was a great man and a musical genius. Your blog doesn’t change that,but it is very disturbing for thinking people to see and realize folks like you exist. I sure wish the religious right would get out of politics. It might be constructive if the republican party could get back to its fundamental objectives. Just keep demonizing things you don’t understand, you will reap what you sow. OOH LOOK! A FOSSIL!

    Comment by Doug — November 3, 2008 @ 11:42 pm | Reply

  407. I subscribe to Frank Zappa’s view on society and the religious stupidity that makes America’s (and the British) legal systems a foul joke.
    Zappa, (like myself) knew/know that censorship is rediculous. If children were educated properly at a very early age. There would be no need for censorship. The children and society would develop a more natural form of censorship that would make production of pornography unprofitable.

    I tested this with my own children and taught them all about the facts of life and meanings of swear words by the time they were five years old.

    None of my children like watching pornography (males or females)and they only swear when it appears necessary.

    They even censor us adults. If I turn the TV to a program that has excessive swearing on it, my children would tell me off and leave the room if I don’t change the channel.

    They have developed self-censorship and would never purchase pornography. A society full of well educated children like mine, would render the pornography trade unviable.

    Cheers,

    Comment by Graeme Day — November 16, 2008 @ 2:28 am | Reply

  408. I will have to elaborate on my previous post.
    I should have differentiated between the two censorship terms.
    I mean that there should be no law enforced censorship.

    Self-censorship does not charge anybody, just turns the Self away from whatever Self wants to avoid. All TV’s, radios and MP3 players have an ‘off switch’.

    If children understand the reality of sexuality, violence and death from an early age, they are less likely to be excited by them as adolescents and adults.

    My children enjoy action movies and comedies, but if there is too much bloodshed, sex or swearing in the move.

    My children will just simply turn it off.

    To sort of quote another person I admire, Gordon Ramsay.
    “If you don’t like my language, just change the channel or turn the f@@k@@g thing off.”

    Cheers,

    Comment by Graeme Day — November 16, 2008 @ 2:55 am | Reply

  409. I like Zappa. He was great. Maybe he was too blunt for you but he said things that maybe we need to all think about. Perhaps before we speak. There’s a difference between talking about incest and actually doing it. If there isn’t, then I would like to remind our blogowner that he brought it up — so what am I supposed to think if that’s how it is?

    I’ve listened to everything Zappa ever made musically until I know it, and it seems that what he sang about most was *stupidity*. I find it most enjoyable when everyone shuts up and they just play music — which if you didn’t know was a good chunk of what he did. Many of his albums were instrumental.

    As far as his swearing, and the reasons why “liberals” swear — well, perhaps it was because they weren’t listening to what he had to say so, a rude word popped the bubble so to speak. I actually thought it was humorous. It wasn’t as humorous as the big biker dude that just happened to be gay punching out the bumpkin gaybasher the last time I saw one of those protests. I couldn’t help but laugh myself silly at that. Bought the big biker a drink, too, for it; I figured he deserved it.

    All that said, if I had a nice burro, I’m sure it would be cute enough to kiss.

    Perhaps I’ll go to Hell for this, but I thought about it, and as I understand it I do have a choice. Why anyone would think that I would want to go to Michigan is beyond me. I was there before and I didn’t think much of it. I suppose if I have to go to Hell, I can take weekend vacations in Toronto. Actually I would rather go to Ibiza. Although Detroit had the MC5, Iggy Pop, Alice Cooper, and Destroy All Monsters so it can’t be ALL bad.

    Comment by Keef — November 29, 2008 @ 6:20 pm | Reply

  410. All of you disgust me. Everyone. The Zappa Fans and the Religous idiots. The idea that Frank Supported child molestation by satirizing the molesters doesn’t mean he’s encouraging it. That’s like saying I support child molestation by bringing it up. And for the Zappa fans, it’s not nice to pick on the mentally handicapped. (Oh no, I’m going to burn in hell with Frank And Ghandi for Saying that! I guess peace, level mindedness and free speech are…(gasp!) SINS!)

    Comment by the truth — January 13, 2009 @ 2:25 pm | Reply

  411. You should probably know about a thing before writing about a thing. Because you got Zappa completely wrong.

    Your ignorance is not amusing, it’s rather pathetic.

    Comment by Fred Zepplin — March 10, 2009 @ 11:06 am | Reply

  412. Dear lord wow honestly how can anyone bash him that hard unless you just to ignorante for life its self and you can’t think for you self. Allso Zappa really didn’t support it unless you look harder “prince has a right to sing about (incest), and i have a right to not buy it” Why must the idoits pull that same old shit honestly i think Zappa run though peoples heads so fast so far how come Zappa was so good at it shit he ran your damned logic and flipped it on its heads now what you bunch of dumb asses

    Comment by Geoff C — March 13, 2009 @ 6:24 pm | Reply

  413. I would just like to point out to the editor that calling one a “loathesome buboe” is much more offensive to some (including me) than a meaningless “profanity,” as is the idea of one person (the editor) deciding which language is appropriate for me and the rest of the readers.

    Also, I am offended by the idea of exhuming and burning a body, but I have the choice to not read about it, because this is AMERICA. Where we are free to say what we want, where we want, and are free to stay away from such things when we want.

    Comment by Dominic — April 10, 2009 @ 5:32 pm | Reply

  414. Man, im late joining this post.

    Just want to say, singing about incest doesnt equate to endorsing it. That would be like saying Joe Pesce endorses violence by stabbing that man in the neck with a pen in Casino. He isn’t its called acting! It’d be like saying Randy Newman actually hates short people and supports slavery, he doesn’t. It’d be like saying Stanley Kubrick endorsed sex with a minor by directing Lolita, he didn’t.

    You’re claims that Frank Zappa endorsed incest, or vegetable lust (if that indeed exists, is that even a sin? Which bible reference will lead me to the part about ‘not lusting after vegetables?’).

    I don’t have any real problems with religion, maybe thats because i live in a more secular society, where politics isnt perverted by religious doctrine. I was brought up a Catholic, i made my decision not to believe in God, if i go to hell, oh well! Religion has its place, in the church yes, in politics no.

    Comment by Zappaphile89 — May 9, 2009 @ 3:03 pm | Reply

  415. you SHOULD have a problem with religion, Religion breeds intolerance and hatred towards anything that their faith does not understand. Religion does have its place and that place is in the annuls of history along with the roman empire and moon snacks. seriously baptists for brokeback join the rest of us in the age of logic and reason and drop your ridiculous iron age superstitions its 2009 not 1209 your fairy tales are unnecessary in today’s world.

    Zappa was an amazing artist belittled by small minded fucks like all of you “good Christians” if god existed he wouldn’t want you for your petty minds and lack of intelligence.

    Comment by rubberduckchuck — July 11, 2009 @ 2:08 pm | Reply

  416. well.. He will be for ever remeber has one of the most inventive, creative, inteligence, smart and one of the simple human beings ever created.. of course that republicans need something to hate because everyone hates them..
    but most importing thing: you’ll die and no one will give a fuck about it.. and Zappa died 16 years ago and his music will go on through the ages.

    Comment by Ricardo — December 15, 2009 @ 12:37 am | Reply

  417. He was one of the biggest composer and actor of 20th century.
    I miss him

    Comment by getva — August 15, 2010 @ 1:38 am | Reply

  418. I don’t know what the hell you are smoking that would make you think that anyone defending the right to free speech supports incest (by that argument America supports incest) but I suggest you lay it off for a bit because it is making you sound dumber and crazier than Glenn Beck. It’s conservatives like you that give us a bad name.

    Comment by Aaron Green — October 6, 2010 @ 7:11 pm | Reply

  419. Whoever wrote this is NOT a true christian, or conservative. Doesn’t the Bible say to love everyone unconditionally? Doesn’t the Constitution give us the right to say whatever we want? I’m a christian, and even though I am aware of Zappa’s atheism, I still love him and his music to the fullest extent. The writer really needs to do more research about Zappa, and what he stood for.
    Frank was never a supporter of incest. Just because he strove to protect the RIGHT for someone to talk (in this case, sing) about incest, DOES NOT mean he wanted it to happen. Plus, answer this question: Where in the Bible does it ever condemn the use of profanity, and if so, does it ever say that it is sinful to do so? Well Ephesians 4:29 (NIV) says: “Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.” If one really thinks about it, it would become apparent to him/or her that Frank Zappa used these words to benefit others with his knowledge of what actually should be done with censorship.
    So basically, the writer of this article is BEARING A FALSE WITNESS AGAINST ONE OF HIS NEIGHBORS (Frank Zappa) who never even intended to put harm upon anyone. Just to remind some biblically oblivious people, the act of bearing false witnesses against his/or her neighbors is breaking the ninth of the ten commandments, meaning it is a SIN. And guess what happens to people who sin?

    Comment by Zovos — October 16, 2010 @ 3:39 pm | Reply

  420. Whoever wrote this bullshit should rot in hell. Mr. Zappa has as much right as any person in the united states to defend what he believes in. This country was founded on the basis of freedom for its people. Mr. Zappa did NOT support incest, he disagreed with it entirely. He was simply fighting for freedom of speech, WHICH IS PROTECTED BY THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. He has the same right to share his ideas as the writer of this has to share his BULLSHIT. the same right I have to share my thoughts. Thats what Mr. Zappa was fighting for. Get your head out of your ass and use it. Mr. Zappa did more for this country than you will ever do in your putrid little life. He continuously fought for freedom of speech, against drug use, against alcohol abuse, etc.

    Comment by StampledPress — December 12, 2010 @ 1:52 am | Reply

  421. Burn in hell Sam Brownback!

    Comment by Frankie Mclean — December 23, 2010 @ 10:27 pm | Reply

  422. I don’t agree with what you say but i’ll defend your right to say it. isn’t that what the whole crossfire debate was about, before it got hijacked by religion and incest. Frank was a very opinionated individual, so opinionated that he’s still stirring shit nearly 20years after his passing. It’d be extremely hypocrytical to shut down this site; these morons have the right to say whatever they want to say. We just don’t have to listen to it. Now, if you start shoving it (personal beliefs) down my throat, as your congress was doing at the time, thats when we have a problem.

    Comment by Mr. Samuelson — January 17, 2011 @ 12:09 am | Reply

  423. “His music was horrible and weird, and his viewpoints were, too. WE SHOULD EXHUME HIS BODY AND BURN IT IN A DUMPSTER.”

    Do you really not see the irony in this?

    Comment by Simon Stewart — May 15, 2011 @ 5:46 pm | Reply

  424. “There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.” Frank Zappa

    I’d like to thank the composer of this post and all those who think like him/her/it for proving out the above quote. Zappa was a genius, of course you bible thumping twits would hate him. You couldn’t think outside the realm of your own pitiful existence’s if your lives depended on it.

    Comment by Gregpry Peckory — June 15, 2011 @ 1:33 pm | Reply

  425. Zappa will be remembered – its that simple – when we are all gone and popular music from 1960’s onwards is reviewed for the amazing specticle it actually is certain people will be remembered for different things in this genre and will be considered genius. The beatles and hendrix for sure will be there, for diferent reasons. Zappa will also be there, allthough not as mainstream – this is the point – he did what he wanted how he wanted and lived for the musical he created – his musical ability was really something to behold in terms of guitar playing / composing and producing amongst other things. As a lyrist and public speaker – he obviously used words like he did his music – to provoke / to experiment ./ to open minds / to think out of the box ./ to socially comment / to use his inteligence to thought provoke – the people who dont get it are not meant to ( did zappa say that ? ). I just think those people in the world that can open their minds and are ready to learn will appreciate zappa, even if they do not understand or agree where he was coming from.
    He is a Genius in many way and an inovator of many things musical and non – his turn against the popular and the establishment was a little more than just rebellion – he was an open minded intelligent man unscared of standing up with a voice and standing against the norm – free speech he included in his songs and was not scared to tell ‘ his truth ‘ and take the piss at the same time – what a geeza he really was – he will be remembered – but unlike any faith – his fans and followers have real untampered evidence of his words and work. Doesnt Jesus look abit like Borat too ? HIgh Five !

    Comment by apostrophe stu — February 27, 2012 @ 8:42 pm | Reply

  426. I’m not a citizen of the united states of america. Except for what i see on Tv, movies, internet and what i listen from music, i know nothing about your culture (generally speaking). So my question is? IS there really people like this? i mean the author of the post. IS it really possible to believe in these things? WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? Is really sad to realize that you’re not missing a lot of things in this life. And i’m not talking about sex, drugs, illegal activities, etc or anything remotely sinful.

    I can’t believe this. I’ts a joke. A shame. Excuse me, not harm intended, but you’re a zombie. wake up.

    Comment by Can't believe this — May 26, 2012 @ 1:02 am | Reply

  427. Perhaps he enjoyed being the contrarian. Sometimes I felt he was playing with you. Did he REALLY believe in the positions he was taking or did he just enjoy stirring things up? In the end Frank Zappa said he didn’t care if anyone remembered him at all. Really?

    Check out this video on YouTube:

    Comment by Opie — July 8, 2012 @ 4:57 pm | Reply

  428. Wow that was strange. I just wrote an incredibly long comment but after I clicked submit my comment
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    Comment by pet supplies through critter club — September 28, 2012 @ 12:00 pm | Reply

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    Comment by Immigration Advice Hillingdon — October 23, 2012 @ 6:47 pm | Reply

  430. So you’re bashing him for defending our GOD given right to free speech? You also think that he should burn in hell for it? I didn’t know you were God!

    P.S. If you truly call yourselves “Christians” you should check out the book of Romans (chapter 2 is a kicker!)

    Comment by The Garbage Man — November 24, 2012 @ 6:46 pm | Reply

  431. P.S.S. Zappa NEVER advocated drug use!

    Comment by The Garbage Man — November 24, 2012 @ 6:49 pm | Reply

  432. The guy died 14 years before you ‘wrote’ this, what the f-took you so long? Oh, I bet you just learned of the man and decided to besmirch him.

    Comment by Joseph Watley III — December 20, 2012 @ 4:53 pm | Reply

  433. See, here’s the thing. I gave up my imaginary friend when I was four. You are an adult who is arguing against the First Amendment based on what your imaginary friend thinks.

    You say an awful lot about “think of the children” and admonishing profanity. However, I haven’t read a more disturbing thing than the desire to dig up a dead man and publicly defile his corpse. That is sicker than pretty much anything I’ve heard in a Zappa album.

    Why?

    Because when Zappa said outrageous things it was in the context of art. You said what you said in no such context, leaving us only the impression that what you said was the absolute truth of your opinion.

    Take care, and go fuck yourself.

    Comment by Wilhelm — January 18, 2013 @ 1:58 pm | Reply

  434. Wow, this piece of writing is fastidious, my younger sister
    is analyzing these kinds of things, therefore I am going to inform her.

    Comment by radiosender — February 20, 2013 @ 10:54 pm | Reply

  435. Wow, the level of stupid the original poster displays is astounding and disheartening. Zappa is defending the constitution and simultaneously ridiculing censorship while promoting freedom of thought. And this is a bad thing? What a stupid and narrow world he/she/it lives within. Glad I’m not there. Of course this attitude is exactly why the Republican party will continue to lose presidential elections as it races towards irrelevance. Too bad, because the Democrats suck almost as much. We need a third and/or fourth party. The current parties are filled with assclowns.

    Comment by Sam Fireshipbergson — April 12, 2013 @ 3:54 pm | Reply

  436. Only in America. Gotta love it. Thanks for framing the argument Frank

    Comment by Opie — June 19, 2013 @ 10:06 am | Reply

  437. Franks music is beautiful, unique and totally without any parallel. His music is art.. not a testimony of his beliefs..
    it’s a shame that some totally bogus and psychotic religious belief stops so many people from seeing what a wonderful world they live in.
    there is a comment up the top which says ‘ the only words we need to hear are in the bible’ …. i have never read anything so stupid in my entire life. Why would you even comment then?
    if you don’t like Franks stuff it’s probably because he mocked your idiotic love for something stupid… the church, the military, the government, poodles.

    Comment by adwaldo lexofarium — December 4, 2013 @ 12:26 pm | Reply

  438. Hello colleagues, nice post and good urging commented here, I am actually enjoying by these.

    Comment by Teri — December 18, 2013 @ 10:21 am | Reply

  439. What’s up, I read your new stuff regularly. Your writing style is witty, keep it up!

    Comment by nesting dolls for kids — February 10, 2014 @ 6:04 pm | Reply

  440. http://youtu.be/nUja5B8ei2U?t=40s Enjoy!

    Comment by reallyclosemindedperson — March 20, 2014 @ 1:04 pm | Reply

  441. “A mind is like a parachute it only works if it is open.”
    Frank Zappa

    Comment by Frank Zappa — March 25, 2014 @ 3:59 pm | Reply

  442. Relax fellas, looking around I can clearly see that this is a joke-site. The whole thing is so overblown and nonsensical that it just has to be sarcastic.

    Comment by Matthew Thompson Dalldorf — April 3, 2015 @ 1:39 am | Reply

  443. Deviant perverts like Zappa have read the bible.and listened to enlightened.christian war mongers that send our boys off to some stupid wars like viet nam,iraq…..in Jesus name and claim that anyone who doesn’t agree with are commie atheist destroyers of America…..well if you had.your way they would all be purged. ….we.all.know what that mean…..amen….Hitler was.a fine christian and.would be voted Grand wizard posthumously by that other fine christian organization the KKK

    Comment by MOEHOWEIRD THE PROFIT — July 17, 2015 @ 1:11 am | Reply

  444. god fucking damn
    even jesus is ashamed of you people
    lighten up, get a clue, and STFU
    anyways, eh?

    Comment by Derek “MonkeyShines13” Mogambo — September 9, 2015 @ 4:40 am | Reply

  445. Regardless of what anyone says or thinks about Frank, he loved his audience, his friends and his family. He was very much a family man, and all those that appreciate and follow him are loyal to him. He had a loving family. I look at it this way. In “Porn Wars,” Senator Hollings says he had an opportunity to attend a showing of “porn rock.” Why in the fuck does someone go to a concert to find fault with the artist? If you have something against him, don’t go to his fucking show.

    Comment by Barry Bozarth — February 29, 2016 @ 11:26 am | Reply


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