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July 10, 2007

The Power of Angels

Filed under: Breaking News,Faith,Science — Sisyphus @ 9:38 am

O ye of little faith, this is the solution to the energy crisis.

Ask a materialist if an infinitely powerful entity is possible, and they will give you a “No!”, without even bothering to consider the question for a moment. The materialist understanding of the laws of thermodynamics exclude any understanding of systems that have infinite energy. Unfortunately for materialists, their understanding of these basic scientific principles is about to receive a major challenge.

Sean McCarthy and Richard Walshe, the two boffins behind Steorn Research unveiled their latest gizmo: The Orbo, a magnetic engine which according to carefully controlled experiments can produce up to three times as much energy as is put into it,effectively creating an infinite amount of energy from apparently nowhere.

Steorn’s findings totally undermine the basic premise of materialism, simply by demonstrating a confirmed physical effect that materialists predict cannot happen. These clever Irish researchers have demonstrated that the principles of thermodynamics function in a manner far closer to the predictions of William Dembski and William Brookfield than the clearly flawed thermodynamic claims of Hawkings and Maxwell.

The same scientists who tell you that Intelligent Design is impossible also dispute the hard-facts of Steorn’s peer-reviewed findings. I predict that this humble contraption will show the world just how much materialists have misled mainstream-science.

Magnetics are powered by the motions of electrons. Electrons, as we know, are angels performing God’s work. The power of angels can supply us with infinite, unlimited power, if we as a society are willing to cast aside the mendacity and the mythology of the “scientific” community, and place our trust in the Lord.

Angel power will support our society for as long as we remain united, Christian, free, and true. Angel power is there, for a Christian nation of patriots with the will to reach for it.

Orbo is based upon the principle of time variant magneto-mechanical interactions. The core output from our Orbo technology is mechanical. This mechanical energy can be converted into electrical energy using standard generator technology either by integrating such technology directly with Orbo or by connecting the mechanical output from Orbo to the generation technology. The efficiency of such mechanical/electrical conversions is highly dependent on the components used and is also a function of size.

Orbo technology is subject to continuous development. This development is focused on improving the manufacturability of the technology, production costs and power density. Orbo was initially developed as using stop-start mechanisms (with a power density of 0.5 Watts per cm3), Steorn is currently finalizing the development of constant motion systems and a significant improvement in power density is anticipated.

I can’t claim to understand all the techno-babble there, but I know enough to know that angels perform miracles. Electricity is the motion of angels through our God-given appliances and current systems. Angels will make Orbo work, as well. Then God will inspire our inventors with new ways to harness this unlimited power source. President Brownback will take the helm of America at an exciting and wondrous time. America’s future greatness will make our glorious past seem like a dim shadow. If we keep our faith in God and His servant, President Brownback, this nation will soar above all comers. Our mission is to bring Christianity and freedom to the world; Orbo will be our ship, and Brownback will be our helmsman. God bless us all, this is a wonderful time to be alive!

(Hat tip to reader Johnny Rotten, for providing me with the link. His music was Godless and horrible, but his Internet researching skills are without peer.)

87 Comments »

  1. Now that is some long overdue Gospel. Angels possess powers that mortal man cannot possibly begin to comprehend. From the Divinity we receive grace, power, and knowledge.

    Mark 13:27 tells us,” And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.” This very scripture shows us God’s plan for utilizing His natural resource, Angels.

    This is a very thought provoking topic which I pray by the Blood of the Christ it isn’t derailed by non-believers and doubters.

    Comment by Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett — July 10, 2007 @ 9:53 am | Reply

  2. “This is a very thought provoking topic which I pray by the Blood of the Christ it isn’t derailed by non-believers and doubters.”

    I hope so, but I wouldn’t count on it. I’d say we have about 4 minutes before some moron moonbat detractor comes along…

    Comment by Sisyphus — July 10, 2007 @ 9:55 am | Reply

  3. Too late!

    Hah, well I’ll get right to the crux of the matter. This machine clearly defies the laws of thermodynamics as we know them. This is particularly amazing as our laws of thermodynamics are THE most reinforced and best understood of all scientific theories.

    I will say this much: if they can actually do this, they will blow mainstream scientific understanding out of the water. Suspiciously, though, they provide no pictures of the machine, nor any real explanation on how it works, and its sole public demonstration was subject to “technical difficulties”.

    This looks like another Cold Fusion falsity. Cold fusion looked like a done deal, and would revolutionize America’s energy. However, it could never be reproduced. I’m almost 100 percent sure that this Orbo thing will just dissolve into thin air.

    Also, why would God give this invention to the Irish, intead of God’s “chosen” country, the US of God?

    Oh, and Gaines-Crockett, to answer the 50 dead muslims post, nuclear bombs don’t really leave big holes in the ground. They just flatten things. And the reason why nobody ues them over all other is not because of the sheer number of deaths, or the scouring of vast tracts of land, but the fact that the radioactive fallout would circle the (round) Earth and arrive at America’s west coast and drift on through the heartlands. Not too healthy.

    Comment by Adam Nelson — July 10, 2007 @ 10:16 am | Reply

  4. Reading the Steorn website I get the impression they are confused about what they have. They seem to feel Christ gave them this secret to help their faltering web marketing business, not as a tool to show the world God is real. Hopefully some good Christians will reclaim their device for the use Christ wants it to put to.

    Comment by BJ Tabor — July 10, 2007 @ 10:19 am | Reply

  5. The Steorn website is confused by what they have because it can’t work. The very idea that a MECHANICAL device can exude infinite mechanical energy is impossible, unless suddenly every surface has a frictional coefficient of zero. Look up “perpetual motion machine”.

    Comment by Adam Nelson — July 10, 2007 @ 10:20 am | Reply

  6. The Lord has given us this power to end Islam’s petroleum financed power over the Christian nations. Now we can leave them to their own self genocide. Hallelujah!

    Comment by Helen Bock — July 10, 2007 @ 11:08 am | Reply

  7. Don’t count your chickens before they hatch.

    Comment by Adam Nelson — July 10, 2007 @ 11:18 am | Reply

  8. “Hah, well I’ll get right to the crux of the matter. This machine clearly defies the laws of thermodynamics as we know them. This is particularly amazing as our laws of thermodynamics are THE most reinforced and best understood of all scientific theories.”

    Adam,

    It should be clear enough that God is more than able to defy any man made law, like thermodynamics. I mean I know you are an atheist and Canadian but just stop the Dawkins talking points for just this once. Since this is device is clearly impossible then that means God must exist.

    (Sigh) Why does _everything_ have to be politicized?

    Comment by BJ Tabor — July 10, 2007 @ 11:26 am | Reply

  9. Even if this site is not a spoof, it will always be a joke.

    Comment by Curious — July 10, 2007 @ 11:57 am | Reply

  10. “Hah, well I’ll get right to the crux of the matter. This machine clearly defies the laws of thermodynamics as we know them. This is particularly amazing as our laws of thermodynamics are THE most reinforced and best understood of all scientific theories.”

    O, ye of little faith…

    “The Steorn website is confused by what they have because it can’t work. The very idea that a MECHANICAL device can exude infinite mechanical energy is impossible, unless suddenly every surface has a frictional coefficient of zero. Look up “perpetual motion machine”

    That failed because the hedonistic French tried to invent it, not the pious Irish.

    Comment by Sisyphus — July 10, 2007 @ 12:12 pm | Reply

  11. “Even if this site is not a spoof, it will always be a joke.”

    Whatever.

    Comment by Sisyphus — July 10, 2007 @ 12:13 pm | Reply

  12. “That failed because the hedonistic French tried to invent it, not the pious Irish.”

    Y’know what? Just stop saying stupid things. I can think of so many things wrong with that sentence, but the intelligence area of my brain will melt if I try to get through them all.

    So if something impossible happens, God exists?? Or maybe we just don’t understand the universe yet? Like how it was a scientific fact that bumblebees shouldn’t be able to fly, or that the end of the world would occur at 2000. You just put your otherwise healthy brain into neutral and make every answer “God did it”. What a sad, empty existence.

    Whatever happened to the good ol’ days of the old Testament where YHWH gleefully took credit for doing all manner of things? Seems like he’s dried up as of late…

    Comment by Adam Nelson — July 10, 2007 @ 12:48 pm | Reply

  13. “So if something impossible happens, God exists??”

    Adam, how else would you explain why a fundamental law of the universe suddenly is suspended in only this one instance? Divine Aid is the only explanation that is reasonable.

    Comment by BJ Tabor — July 10, 2007 @ 12:57 pm | Reply

  14. “Y’know what? Just stop saying stupid things. I can think of so many things wrong with that sentence, but the intelligence area of my brain will melt if I try to get through them all.”

    You’re not half as intelligent as you think you are, and not one billionth as intelligent as God. Why don’t you try thinking with your heart for once? If you let God fill the God-shaped hole in there, you may find you have an easier time accepting the Truth about things.

    “So if something impossible happens, God exists??”

    Yes.

    “Or maybe we just don’t understand the universe yet? Like how it was a scientific fact that bumblebees shouldn’t be able to fly, or that the end of the world would occur at 2000.”

    What are you talking about? This makes no sense whatsoever.

    “You just put your otherwise healthy brain into neutral and make every answer “God did it”. What a sad, empty existence.

    Whatever happened to the good ol’ days of the old Testament where YHWH gleefully took credit for doing all manner of things? Seems like he’s dried up as of late…”

    Why do you hate God?

    Comment by Sisyphus — July 10, 2007 @ 12:58 pm | Reply

  15. Didn’t answer my question.

    p.s. By the way, if something impossible happens, then it’s not impossible.

    Comment by Adam Nelson — July 10, 2007 @ 1:06 pm | Reply

  16. “Didn’t answer my question.”

    Didn’t even understand it. Next time, try asking it in English, not some language that the demons in your head whispered into your ear. What were you trying to ask me? Do I believe in the existence of bumblebees?

    “p.s. By the way, if something impossible happens, then it’s not impossible.”

    Good. Then you accept miracles. You’re well on your way to accepting Jesus.

    Comment by Sisyphus — July 10, 2007 @ 1:08 pm | Reply

  17. The really great thing here is when they can prove this works, they can sumbit this idea to a confirmed atheist, skeptic and “debunker” James Randi, and force James to fork over a million dollars so they can develop the idea further!!

    But, I suspect they’ll never have a working model. As usual.

    It’s a spoof.

    Check out http://freeenergynews.com/ for many, many similar ideas. My favorite is the pendulum. That’s hilarious.

    Comment by MikeM — July 10, 2007 @ 1:08 pm | Reply

  18. “The really great thing here is when they can prove this works, they can sumbit this idea to a confirmed atheist, skeptic and “debunker” James Randi, and force James to fork over a million dollars so they can develop the idea further!!”

    That’s good news. I eagerly look forward to seeing this fool and his money parted.

    Comment by Sisyphus — July 10, 2007 @ 1:11 pm | Reply

  19. I don’t hate god. I can’t hate something that doesn’t exist. What I hate is this:

    Textbook case of combining an angry, idiotic Southerner with delusions of grandeur.

    “Whatever happened to the good ol’ days of the old Testament where YHWH gleefully took credit for doing all manner of things? Seems like he’s dried up as of late…”

    THAT’S my question. Where is god? Is he whispering “Kill the muslims!” in your ear? You of all people are the least equipped to know God. You’re not even a Christian. You’re a hostile idiot who thinks angels live in his TV.

    Comment by Adam Nelson — July 10, 2007 @ 1:11 pm | Reply

  20. I really do hope your god exists. Not because of eternal salvation or anything of the sort. Just so when you get to the pearly gates He can point and laugh at you while trying to say, in between belly-laughs, how you couldn’t have gotten it more wrong.

    So, in conclusion, f*ck religion with a rake.

    Comment by Sarklor — July 10, 2007 @ 1:15 pm | Reply

  21. Sarklor, shut up man. That was not constructive at all.

    Comment by Adam Nelson — July 10, 2007 @ 1:18 pm | Reply

  22. “THAT’S my question. Where is god? Is he whispering “Kill the muslims!” in your ear?”

    God is everywhere, always. “Before Abraham was, I AM.” The answer’s in Scripture. You know, the book that the Koran is a blasphemous, heretical digression from.

    “You’re not even a Christian. You’re a hostile idiot who thinks angels live in his TV.”

    They do indeed. You have yet to refute this fact. All you can offer me are ad hominems, slurs, jokes, and insane tirades about bumblebees and “Trading Spouses.” You can’t disprove what I say, so you are forced to retort with infantile snipings. Very typical leftist behavior, really. I pity you.

    “So, in conclusion, f*ck religion with a rake.”

    I will pray for you.

    Comment by Sisyphus — July 10, 2007 @ 1:21 pm | Reply

  23. “Sarklor, shut up man. That was not constructive at all.”

    On that, we agree.

    Comment by Sisyphus — July 10, 2007 @ 1:21 pm | Reply

  24. The Orbo machine certainly made its way to the darkest corners of the internet.

    And yes, that company is a scam to rip of investers: the machine violates the laws of thermodynamics and the law of conservation of energy, and as predicted by myself, there were “technical difficulties” when they actually had to demonstrate it.

    Comment by Skeptic — July 10, 2007 @ 1:36 pm | Reply

  25. All of you moonbats going on and on about how this machine “violates the laws of thermodynamics.” Well, so does evolution, but that doesn’t stop you from trying to push that anti-religious nonsense on everyone. I guess if you’re a DemocRat there’s no limit to the hypocrisy you can spout.

    Comment by Donatello — July 10, 2007 @ 1:56 pm | Reply

  26. “there were “technical difficulties” when they actually had to demonstrate it.”

    Well what do you expect? They were abusing a miracle for their own again. God does not like to be used. Now if a TRUE Christian had that device it would work fine.

    Comment by BJ Tabor — July 10, 2007 @ 1:57 pm | Reply

  27. Haha! Ohh BJ, you are hilarious. A true Christian like yourself? How vain. That reminds me of the Waaagh! (if anybody can actually tell me what that is without looking it up, you have my eternal admiration!)

    And no, Sisyphus, evolution does not violate either the laws of thermodynamics. If you actually kept tabs on the various Protestant denominations against evolution, you’d know that they ask people NOT to try to make those points as it makes Creationists look like idiots.

    And how am I supposed to disprove your claim about angels in electronics. Your claim is unfalsifiable. I could just as well say that microscopic aliens power my refrigerator. Nobody can “prove” otherwise because it’s such a retarded claim. And besides, you are the ONLY person I have ever heard claim that electrons are angels, and i sincerely doubt that you’re a pioneer in human knowledge.

    Besides, what about antimatter? Woudln’t it make more sense to say that matter is good and Christian while antimatter is evil and Muslim or something, and when they meet the polar opposites annihilate in a blast of pure energy? Oh well, both claims are gross misunderstandings of particle physics, and to even make the claim shows how very little you know about the world.

    Comment by Adam Nelson — July 10, 2007 @ 2:19 pm | Reply

    • ADAM NELSON :)
      THE WAAAGH IS THE ORC RESOURCE IN DAWN OF WAR :D
      i knew it.

      in other news, sisyphus, what the hell? with a small h.
      I mean, lets look at logic.

      Comment by Ryan — November 23, 2009 @ 3:30 pm | Reply

  28. “And no, Sisyphus, evolution does not violate either the laws of thermodynamics.”

    That was me, not Sisyphus. Maybe you could try reading more closely.

    Anyway, Edward F Blick, PhD, author of more than 150 scientific papers, disagrees with you: http://www.tccsa.tc/articles/entropy_blick.html

    Comment by Donatello — July 10, 2007 @ 2:55 pm | Reply

  29. “And no, Sisyphus, evolution does not violate either the laws of thermodynamics.”

    And by the way, there are 4 laws of thermodynamics, not two as implied by your use of “either.”

    Comment by Donatello — July 10, 2007 @ 2:57 pm | Reply

  30. Well, see, our resident rock-pusher (that’d be you, Sisyphus) won’t be bothered with a little thing like physical laws. All we need is a miracle, and miracles happen every time the A/C starts up in our Suburbans, right? Right!

    So, you take the little invention you’ve found, and that has been peer-reviewed, and demand money ($1 million, to be exact) from that “scientist”, James Randi. Excellent! Kill at least two birds with one stone.

    (Exceptin’, of course, that the Orbo will NEVER work. Tim LaHaye will be Raptured before the Orbo works.)

    Comment by MikeM — July 10, 2007 @ 3:12 pm | Reply

  31. I don’t know much about about thermodynamics but I try to side with the angels. Entropy is an affront to God, who created this whole earth from nothing. Do you really believe He doesn’t control the flow of power here?

    Comment by Helen Bock — July 10, 2007 @ 3:17 pm | Reply

  32. I’m sure that I don’t understand the workings of this gadget, but if it can free us from the tether of mideast and Venezuelan oil, I’m all for it.

    These Irish fellows may have discovered one of G-d’s many miracles which He has bequeathed to man. If they can stay sober long enough to bring this to the world, it might at last set us free.

    Another great science post, Sisyphus!

    Comment by Psycheout — July 10, 2007 @ 3:49 pm | Reply

  33. “A true Christian like yourself?”

    Perhaps. That would be great. It would be a way to measure your virtue. If the device worked then you would know your in Jesus’ plus column, if it didn’t then you’ve got some work to do. Clearly, like all of God’s greatest gifts to mankind; the plow, fire and barbwire, this device has multiple uses.

    Comment by BJ Tabor — July 10, 2007 @ 3:53 pm | Reply

  34. “It would be a way to measure your virtue. If the device worked then you would know your in Jesus’ plus column, if it didn’t then you’ve got some work to do.”

    We’d better not plug any of the resident moonbats into the machine, then. I fear it would explode and then we (the non-pot-smoking/terrorist-hugging normal Americans) wouldn’t be able to benefit from it.

    Comment by Donatello — July 10, 2007 @ 4:09 pm | Reply

  35. “These Irish fellows may have discovered one of G-d’s many miracles which He has bequeathed to man. If they can stay sober long enough to bring this to the world, it might at last set us free.”

    I very rarely say this, but LOL!

    Somebody break out the hose, because Psycheout is on FIRE!

    Comment by MikeM — July 10, 2007 @ 4:41 pm | Reply

  36. “Anyway, Edward F Blick, PhD, author of more than 150 scientific papers, disagrees with you”

    He’s not a biologist.
    He’s the product of a schoolsystem where you can graduate by only taking one kind of science classes, he may be a good physicist, or mathematician, but he doesn’t understand the first thing about biology.

    His math may check out, but the assumptions he begins with are just plain wrong.

    Comment by Skeptic — July 10, 2007 @ 5:03 pm | Reply

  37. “He’s not a biologist.”

    Are you? If not, I guess you’re not qualified to talk about evolution, then.

    Comment by Donatello — July 10, 2007 @ 6:51 pm | Reply

  38. [...] my novel, it was the reference to angels that caught my eye and made me click the link that led to this on a supposed energy-generating device that defies the Second Law of Thermodynamics: (Note: the [...]

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  39. You don’t need a Ph.D in biology to understand natural selection, as surely as you don’t need a Ph.D in physics to understand Newtonian gravity, you only need the basics for that.

    These are his (poor) arguments:

    “There must always, without known exception, exist a pre-planned program, or pattern, or template, or code, if growth is to take place.”

    Postulated without any supportive evidence.

    “A code always requires an intelligent coder.”

    Postulated without any supportive evidence (does a salt-crystal have an intelligent designer?)

    “Natural selection is not a code, but only a sort of cybernetic device which snuffs out the disorderly effects of the mutation process. Is the evolutionist really so foolish as to think this kind of mindless interplay could produce the human brain – or, is it not simply that `the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them who believe not’ (2 Cor. 4:4).”

    Postulated without any supportive evidence.

    “The missing ingredient is an energy-conversion mechanism! Some mechanism has to be on hand to convert the sun’s energy into the mechanical energy required to erect the structure.”

    I guess he’s never heard of photosynthesis, by his reasoning no organism can ever function.

    Comment by Skeptic — July 10, 2007 @ 7:43 pm | Reply

  40. does a salt-crystal have an intelligent designer?

    If you can’t figure that out I question the intelligence of your designer.

    Scratch that. Perhaps my posts on pot would help you too. You shouldn’t inhale that poison. But if you must, be sure to exhale before you post ridiculous drivel.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 10, 2007 @ 8:01 pm | Reply

  41. Mike M.,
    I don’t appreciate the drunken Irish stereotype. Some of us are good Protestant Christians.

    Comment by Paddy Byrnes — July 10, 2007 @ 8:02 pm | Reply

  42. You’re a deluded fool who knows very little about physics let alone law. Bringing god into the equation is egregious in the extreme.

    The nonsense that is perpetual motion is nothing but silicon snake oil for the IQ-impaired.

    Looked at another way entirely, even if it is possible (which it isn’t!) the inventors can’t corner the market because perpetual motion machines can not be patented in any country on earth. By law.

    Comment by Mobius — July 10, 2007 @ 8:41 pm | Reply

  43. Mobius, capital G, please. Just because you hate God doesn’t mean you shouldn’t respect other people’s beliefs.

    Comment by Donatello — July 10, 2007 @ 9:46 pm | Reply

  44. Please prove how electrons can be angels. Try to even prove angels.

    Comment by Von Bismarck — July 11, 2007 @ 7:06 am | Reply

  45. As predicted, liberals refuse to accept the miracle of endless, free energy. They’d rather suckle at the oil of the Venezuelans and Iranians than chip in a few dollars to help the pious Irishmen buy a Guinness or two after performing a vital role as the conduits of God’s miracle invention, powered by God’s servants, the angels.

    And, as predicted, the liberals would rather taunt and sneer than come up with actual arguments.

    The liberals would be a lot more fun to talk to, if they weren’t so predictably anti-Christian and anti-American.

    Comment by Sisyphus — July 11, 2007 @ 7:22 am | Reply

  46. “Please prove how electrons can be angels. Try to even prove angels.”

    I’ve already addressed that here.

    Comment by Sisyphus — July 11, 2007 @ 7:30 am | Reply

  47. “The liberals would be a lot more fun to talk to, if they weren’t so predictably anti-Christian and anti-American.”

    Amen!

    Comment by Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett — July 11, 2007 @ 7:48 am | Reply

  48. “I’ve already addressed that here”

    No you haven’t. Just because you say something is true doesn’t make it so. You arrived at a conclusion from zero evidence, and a gross misunderstanding of the balancing act that is an atom. Saying that a neutron can make moral choices is insane, and by your argument, an amoeba can make moral choices.

    You are the pioneer of this “theory”. How about you link to some other similar claims that electrons are angels (and protons are Liberals… lol!). If you can find even ONE other person that independently arrived at a conclusion even vaguely similar to yours, I will defer at least part of my claim that you are ridiculous.

    “The liberals would be a lot more fun to talk to, if they weren’t so predictably anti-Christian and anti-American.”

    Amen!

    Comment by Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett

    And Gaines-Crockett, glad to have you in the conversation! Glad to see you joined in at exactly the right time to express the full extent of your intellect.

    Comment by Adam Nelson — July 11, 2007 @ 8:56 am | Reply

  49. Please, you two (Sisypus–Crockett) feed off of insult. The ones you hate (don’t agree with) are generally more civil then you have ever been. All you can do is back into your automated “Liberals Hate America” and “Hate Christians” or “They’re all atheists” responses. People have given their response to your prompt up there, they have made points, many points, and now you can only respond with, “The liberals would be a lot more fun to talk to, if they weren’t so predictably anti-Christian and anti-American.” Try answering the questions given. (And your little angels are electrons “thought”–not theory–not hypothesis–is lacking.)

    Comment by La Mona — July 11, 2007 @ 9:02 am | Reply

  50. “And, as predicted, the liberals would rather taunt and sneer than come up with actual arguments.”

    100% on the mark Sisyphus. They are presented with something clearly impossible under their theories and instead of seeing a miracle of The Lord they resort to personal attacks and other cheep shots.

    Comment by BJ Tabor — July 11, 2007 @ 9:56 am | Reply

  51. And you just ignore everything. Wow, we’re making progress. …They resort to “personal attacks?” Gee, so it was a liberal that gave me that Liberal Heathen Feminazied Werewolf-ish Witch title? I thought it was Crockett who is a major right-over-the-edge conservative. Cheap shots? Like the ones on me based on false assumptions? Wow, you guys have been liberals the entire time? Why didn’t you say anything BJ? You definitely hit a mark–I doubt it is the one you were looking for.

    Now, if you learn to read anytime soon, feel free to go back look at the statements previously presented, and answer without stooping to the sick twisted levels that compile the majority of your responses. Many logical questions were given. They shouldn’t be hard to find.

    Comment by La Mona — July 11, 2007 @ 10:12 am | Reply

  52. “Mike M.,
    I don’t appreciate the drunken Irish stereotype. Some of us are good Protestant Christians.”

    Har. I’m mostly Irish. I bet I drink less than anyone you know over the age of 18. MAYBE a six-pack a year. When I’m on a binge, that is.

    Look, he’s kidding. There are all kinds of people posting all kinds of stuff here they don’t believe.

    I’m amazed when people can’t see what’s right in front of their eyes!

    Comment by MikeM — July 11, 2007 @ 10:21 am | Reply

  53. Ahh, another attempt in Cold Fusion style. Yawn.

    Comment by PG — July 11, 2007 @ 10:47 am | Reply

  54. This is most likely a fraud because:

    1. In 2006, the company was losing over 3 million euros per year and had incentive to do this to make money.
    2. This machine is of the same breed that have been debunked hundreds of times now.
    3. They have still not publicly demonstrated the machine.
    4. Energy isn’t getting any cheaper. The smart thing to do would be to start up a power plant, sell energy, and keep the machine secret.

    Also, it seems like they botched it big time:
    They tried to demonstrate how the thing works in london, unfortunately it was a fiasco.
    http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/05/bad-news-regarding-steorns-orbo-boondoggle/
    http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/06/steorn-orbo-canceled/
    http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/07/steorns-ceo-states-the-obvious-we-screwed-up/
    An exploded view of the device:
    http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/11/steorns-orbo-device-exploded-for-dissection-not-the-apocaly/

    Comment by PG — July 11, 2007 @ 1:59 pm | Reply

  55. Now that I’ve seen the diagrams I can debunk it:

    Within a circular ring of magnets the field strength is zero (all field lines cancel out.)
    Steorn probably wants to fix this by periodically moving some of the outer magnets in the ring (hence their “time-variance” technobabble), but since magnetic forces are mutual (the inner magnets also push the outer magnets away), you’d get a dampened harmonic oscillator if you use a power source to move the outer magnets, or a steady-state harmonic oscillator (like a swing, or a pendulum) if you use a pendulum to move the outer magnets.
    Either way, you cannot drain energy because that would dampen the oscillator to the point where it stops moving (although this may take a while.)
    This is why the device does not work, even without friction and with truly permanent magnets.

    Comment by Skeptic — July 11, 2007 @ 2:50 pm | Reply

  56. I will plug into that anyday!!! Wow :)
    http://www.savedsoul.wordpress.com

    Comment by savedsoul — July 11, 2007 @ 3:04 pm | Reply

  57. “Either way, you cannot drain energy because that would dampen the oscillator to the point where it stops moving (although this may take a while.)
    This is why the device does not work, even without friction and with truly permanent magnets.”

    You consistently underestimate the power of angels. Ye of little faith, indeed.

    Comment by Sisyphus — July 11, 2007 @ 3:11 pm | Reply

  58. “I will plug into that anyday!!! Wow”

    Thanks for sharing.

    Comment by Sisyphus — July 11, 2007 @ 3:13 pm | Reply

  59. “You consistently underestimate the power of angels. Ye of little faith, indeed.”

    Those “angels” always seem to follow the rules I just explained to you, I don’t think they’re going to make an exception now.

    Comment by Skeptic — July 11, 2007 @ 3:15 pm | Reply

  60. When Angels Go Wrong

    Comment by Johnny Rotten — July 12, 2007 @ 9:19 am | Reply

  61. When Angels Go Wrong

    When I submitted this post to Sisyphus, never did I anticipate the overwhelming response it would generate. It appears to have excited much passion as well as much misconception. When Senator Brownback is elected President he will be able to address such controversies in our society through judicious application of national policy. Thereby freeing our educational and scientific communities to pursue their missions without constraint from certain special interests.

    There seems to be some misunderstanding of what the “angels” are and what they can and cannot do. Let me endeavor to add some clarity to the subject.

    Sisyphus stated that Electrons are angels performing God’s work. Some of you have questioned this and seek to place limits on God’s will.

    For those of you who have grown up with the language of secularism we could interpret this as that, in a very real sense, angels are what angels do. Or that electrons are performing the work that God sets them to do for us. Angels owe their existence to God’s wish that his will be done upon this world. The work they do is how mere humans get to observe proof of their manifestation.

    Science has managed to reduce the laws which seem to govern the behavior and interaction of all types of matter and energy we are aware of, to a small core of fundamental laws and theories. Electrons are covered by the Standard Model

    Scientific observation can explain what the electromagnetic and other forces do, but it is limited in explaining their very source of this power. Fortunately we can use logic and scientific reasoning to illuminate God’s will.

    Some claim that the vast majority of possible values for the parameters of the Standard Model are incompatible with the existence of life.

    But the scientific method has demonstrated that such claims are wrong. For we live in a Fine Tuned Universe where life exists.

    According to arguments based on the Anthropic Principle, the Standard Model has the field content it does and the parameters it has because the universe has to be based upon parameters able to support life.

    We should not be surprised to find that any universal constants on electrons we observe would be configured in such a way as to allow for our existence.

    In other words, The very existence of laws that you say this device violates is proof that God designed the Universe to sustain our lives. And if He deems it necessary and us worthy, it is He and his servants who can set the electrons spinning to further his will.

    For you naysayers, let me bring you out of the realm of theory and show you a recent case in point. Woe be it to those who might fall astray of his plan for our salvation. I can not say whether it was brought down by the sinful music they were listening to or some other craven thoughts. But when God has had enough of your antics he can set the angels to bend the electrons any way he wants to leave their mark.

    Comment by Johnny Rotten — July 12, 2007 @ 11:29 am | Reply

  62. I didn’t think “Heliocentrism is an Atheist Doctrine” could be topped…I was wrong.

    Move over Maxwell, here comes “Johnny Rotten”!

    I think you should probably be careful though, if you go much farther than this the crazies that think this is real will catch on.

    Comment by Knave — July 12, 2007 @ 1:48 pm | Reply

  63. Wake up and smell the toast burning Knave,

    This is reality happening right before your liberal denier eyes whether you like it or not.

    Comment by Johnny Rotten — July 12, 2007 @ 2:27 pm | Reply

  64. ““These Irish fellows may have discovered one of G-d’s many miracles which He has bequeathed to man. If they can stay sober long enough to bring this to the world, it might at last set us free.”

    Would ya ever feck off ya idiot. Nothing wrong with havin the odd pint, wha? Us Irish build the bloody world with our own two hands… and God made us that way. Only right and proper that we give the world a gift of free energy.

    And lads, I’ve had better debates over religion and the like after a skinful at 3am in some club than most of ye guys here!! Would ya ever cop on to yerselves and give over the name-calling.

    Just ’cause ye can type and spell big words don’t mean anything ya hear. It’s what’s in yer head that counts… or maybe who’s giving ya the head, if ya get me drift.

    Slán go foil.

    Comment by Colin Farrell — July 12, 2007 @ 2:44 pm | Reply

  65. Electrons are subatomic particals made of protons (positive charge) nuetrons (no charge) and electrons (negative charge.) The protons and nuetrons make up the nucleus of the atom and the electrons are in “shells” surronding the nucleus. Two electrons in the first shell, four in the next, …..on and on depending on the atom. Now, ignore the electrons for a minute. The protons determine your atom. The number of these will tell you what it is. For example, if you have eight protons then you have an oxygen atom. If you have one you have hydrogen. If you have 2 helium, and it goes all the way up into triple-digit numbers for this process (See: Periodic Table and Atomic Number). Now, an atom has a charge that totals out to ZERO because they have the same number of protons and electrons. (positive cancels a negative and vice versa) Now, every atom wishes to have a full outer shell (8 electrons for example). Oxygen has six in its outer shell. Hydrogen has one in its outer shell. What’s an atom to do? By ionic bonding (bonding by charges as opposed to covalent bonding by sharing electrons) these can come together and make a full outer shell with a once again nuetral charge. Two Hydrogen (totaling to a 2- charge) and one Oxygen (with a 2+ charge) make H2O. And that my friend is water. The atom is a unit with parts that have different functions to work together. The proton is the identity, the electron is like the glue…or magnet if you will, and nuetrons are there to keep things stable in a sense. There are no angels floating around the demonic spirits. It’s a simple process set up by God. Then the inside of a proton for example is made of six smaller piece. These pieces are called top, bottom, strange, charm, up, and down. (Top was last discovered) These are called quarks (check my spelling.) They are found to be made of compressed sound. It’s basic Chemistry.

    Comment by La Mona — July 12, 2007 @ 3:50 pm | Reply

  66. Oh La Mona La Mona,

    I see you are well versed in the language of the secular education establishment. I commend you for applying yourself and learning your lessons thoroughly. But I fear, through no fault of your own, that it has stunted your ability for objective reasoning.

    Fortunately, in the future when we have placed moral reasoned men like Senator Brownback in high office and other places of trust and power, your children will not be limited to the polemic language of a secular progressive education. They will able to explore the scientific world fully, unencumbered by the indoctrination fostered upon them by the doctrine of materialism. A doctrine that has polluted an entire generation since the implementation of LBJ’s failed experiment in a “Great Society”.

    No longer will future generations have to suffer, like La Mona, from inability to understand both atomic particles and the means God uses them for in his grand plan.

    Sadly, I do not think you realize that you and I are actually on the same page. We are not talking apples and oranges here. You just lack essential parts of your education to see it. In this case, Angels are not apparent as tiny little winged beings flitting around every atomic nucleus. They are evident as the way electrons perform to fulfill the role God designed them to do for us.

    You almost had it when you said: “It’s a simple process set up by God.” Of all the ways our omnipotent God could have set up the processes, he choose the one for electrons that would engender life to form and from its properties would bear the fruit of usefulness to man.

    Angels are what angels do. They manifest themselves to us by their work. They can be seen in the forces in the Universe that are organized to his plan.

    Science has shown us how the nuclear forces work. Now physics is beginning to show us why these forces make the universe Fine Tuned as such a fit habitat for life and man.

    You really should do some study on the Anthropic Principle. Try this to begin with. And this article contains a more advanced discussion of how the nuclear forces and atomic particles are organized precisely, Fine Tuned, to do God’s will.

    I would also recommend the Privaledged Planet.

    Our host Sisyphus was essentially right to reject the secular materialistic tenets of the Copernican Revolution in his classic post: Heliocentrism is an Atheist Doctrine . While Copernicus was correct about the mechanics of the universe he poisoned mankind for hundreds of years with the mistaken belief that our place in the Universe was not special. The Anthropic Principle and our measurements of a Fine Tuned Universe show us that our God given uniqueness is not dependent on a central location but the very parameters of our existence.

    Humanity lives in a unique location—and moment—in cosmic space-time that allows not only for the possibility of human existence but also for the opportunity to discover that human existence represents a miracle, a special case.

    Earth’s particular location gives humans a special window to the solar system, the Milky Way galaxy, and the universe itself. In virtually any other galaxy or at any other location in Earth’s galaxy and at every other time in cosmic history, the view to the surrounding area would be so unstable and/or so occluded that the form, structure, size, and other characteristics of the galaxy and universe would remain obscure to any sentient observers. Earth’s creatures enjoy a special view to the splendors of the cosmos. Nowhere else and at no other time in the universe would such glory be visible.

    The importance of the anthropic principle can hardly be overstated. It returns legitimacy and respectability to the human species as a worthy, even primary, subject of scientific research. Further, the anthropic principle has the potential to bring about a paradigm shift arguably as profound as any shift in human remembrance.

    This is cutting edge physics, Einstein stuff. The times they are a changing. The Copernican Revolution and the damage it has done is over. We can now imagine a new world. When Senator Brownback is elected president he can unleash our scientific community from its liberal shackles and we can finally free the educational system to raise our children to study the Universe in the way God meant for us to understand it.

    Comment by Johnny D. Rotten — July 12, 2007 @ 6:55 pm | Reply

  67. Bad angels are clearly responsible for the energy driving vibrators and other “marital aids”. Get thee behind me, Satan!

    Comment by T. Haggard — July 12, 2007 @ 8:06 pm | Reply

  68. You’re sickly sad. With an IQ above 140 and years of Gifted Education in logic studies and analytical processes I doubt I have a problem with “objective reasoning.”

    If you think that Brownback will be president then I question your ability to reason. If you knew anything of Government and Politics you would know that to be impossible. Also, the founding fathers thought about religious extremists of your variety (as they just fought a war for freedom from a government that persecuted in a variety of ways.) Your kind will NEVER control government here. And even if your candidate could make the cut (I’ll amuse your fantasy for a minute) he could not do what you wish and he probably doesn’t even agree with you and your government ideas. We are protected by the Constitution certain rights. Do you know them? Then there are two other branches of government. Those two check the powers of the president (which are limited, and you would know that if you knew Government). The Judicial Branch checks all laws and judge them to be Constitutional or not…if not it does not pass and is killed. The legislative branch (that would be Congress which is in Democrat control) hold most the power between 535 people.

    Your thoughts on atoms make no sense. God is logical. If He sets something up it has a process that fits. (He’s a fan of Science processes.) When He designed the human body for example He made it to function in certain ways (the study of which is Anatomy). Science explains those ways. It’s not random. Science could be said to be Man’s way of putting God’s processes into words. (from a Christian perspective.) Obviously there is question to how the world started, but that’s about the extent of the divide. Did you also know that the Bible is in favor of education and people not being ignorant?

    Comment by La Mona — July 12, 2007 @ 9:15 pm | Reply

  69. Angels power cameras, modems and servers. Therefore, angels are directly responsible for the distribution of internet porn. All hail angels!

    Comment by Adam Nelson — July 13, 2007 @ 11:16 am | Reply

  70. My goodness La Mona,

    It is clear you have been gifted with intelligence. I know it must be frustrating process to realize there has been a deficit in your education. Please do not blame me the messenger.

    You obviously have a vast knowledge of the material we are discussing. You can identify every tree in the forest, but you have no idea how to see them together to navigate through them. It is not all your fault. Nor are you alone in this affliction. It is a typical, if unfortunate, result of our liberal materialistic education establishment. We take very bright young minds and strip away the tools they need to find the path, sending them blind and crippled out into the world. Where in their growing frustration at what they lack, they perpetuate much damage to society.

    You may want to brush up on your practice of inquiry. Your analysis is a bit., well, all over the place, scattershot. Pay more attention to the inductive phase of your reasoning. You are misevaluating deductions from the material to reach such unfounded certainty in your conclusions.

    In regards to my discussion of atomic particles and the nature of fundamental forces, I take exception at your comment that I make no sense. I am a man of science and of faith. Again you make your case with an argument that is the same as mine. Of course God is logical, I never implied he wasn’t. He put logic into the Universe and gave us the various forms of reasoning to explore it.

    You go on to essentially give an example of Teleological reasoning. Which is a core idea in the Anthropic Principle of physics and cosmology. God set the processes of the universe (electromagnetism, other fundamental forces, etc.) to fit the forms he wanted in it (stellar bodies, man, a life sustaining Earth, etc.).

    I am a proud supporter of Senator Brownback’s campaign. I am under no delusion that he is not a front runner. What you fail to realize is the importance second tier primary candidates can have on shaping a party’s platform issues. Senator Brownback is the candidate who has the strongest unwavering record on issues that matter to the conservative base. Issues like Immigration, Security, Life and Education, Unlike Flipper RudyMcRomeny. You need to look no further than the polls of conservatives on the issues that matter most to them to see that Senator Brownback is fully inline with the electorate. With the implosion of McCain’s campaign this shows that conservatives will reject someone who does not support their views.

    As the good Senator Brownback has said in the NYT : “For this reason, I oppose the exclusion of either faith or reason from the discussion. An attempt by either to seek a monopoly on these questions would be wrong-headed. As science continues to explore the details of man’s origin, faith can do its part as well. The fundamental question for me is how these theories affect our understanding of the human person.

    …People of faith should be rational, using the gift of reason that God has given us. At the same time, reason itself cannot answer every question. Faith seeks to purify reason so that we might be able to see more clearly, not less. Faith supplements the scientific method by providing an understanding of values, meaning and purpose.”

    There is nothing extremist here at all. This is a country that embraces God. The Constitution guaranties freedom for religion, not freedom from religion.

    You are flat wrong that the President does not direct educational policy. He sets the policies and the budget for what the departments of the federal government do. He leads his party to adopt a platform in line with their conjoined objectives. So that congress will approve his budget and sponsor supportive legislation.

    For example look at the great success President Bush and Senator Brownback has had in making Abstinence Education policy the law of the land. By forbidding the spending of money on any organization domestic or foreign that teaches anything but abstinence.

    Senator Brownback has made a clear stand on how he wants to improve education. Even if he does not win the Republican Primary, by raising the importance of this and other issues in the campaign, he will only succeed in influencing the front runners to abide by the will of the base. Thereby increasing his relevance in the Senate for future Republican policy positions.

    Comment by Johnny D. Rotten — July 13, 2007 @ 12:01 pm | Reply

  71. @Johnny Rotten: The problem with your theory is that it can´t be proven and that we don´t know how many universes exactly exist. If there are several, the chance of one developing life grows quite a bit.
    And seriously, people getting hit by lightning because they had something made from metal near their head are not that rare.

    Oh, and seeing that Mr. Brownback is right now at 2% for his race to become republican candidate, “when he will be president” will be about the same time when pigs start flying and hell freezes over.

    Comment by PG — July 13, 2007 @ 12:49 pm | Reply

  72. From what I’ve seen here, I doubt “defect.”

    The President is only one person of one branch of the federal government. It takes all of them to pass certain education deals…like NCLB (No Child Left Behind–which sucks in practice…I can explain that too.) He can influence, but not alone can he change. The government itself (as a unit) controls these budgets and regulations for education (I listen to my teachers gripe at some and praise others.)

    Freedom OF religion. Not FOR. That can be taken two different ways. (at least in my mind.) Of religion is for EVERYBODY. And people that wish to make their version of “Christianity” dominant cannot run this government. (as the views of Marica, Crockett, Sisyphus…they should be enough.) They are what could be called…extremists.

    I’m glad you can see that he is not a “front runner.” (Can you let Crockett know for me?)

    Comment by La Mona — July 14, 2007 @ 7:22 pm | Reply

  73. Sorry, that comment’s unfinished. It’ll have to stay that way for now. I have to be elsewhere.

    Comment by La Mona — July 14, 2007 @ 7:24 pm | Reply

  74. “The Constitution guaranties freedom for religion, not freedom from religion.”

    Depending on how you mean that, it could be absolutely wrong. The Establishment Clause is precisely what is called a “negative freedom” – a freedom “from” something — the establishment of religion by the state. But then, I think you know this.

    Comment by Fled — July 17, 2007 @ 6:46 am | Reply

  75. “The Establishment Clause is precisely what is called a “negative freedom” – a freedom “from” something”.

    Interesting in that the rights enumerated in the constitution are “God given”. Could it be that the framers misinterpreted God’s will when they supposedly wrote down mankind’s rights? Our minister often receives messages directly from God and readily admits that his wording is sometimes not literally what God said to him. He cannot explain exactly why, but I believe God speaks in a kind of accent that man cannot literally translate. This is why some of his commands to otherwise devout people are misinterpreted and we go off at obtuse angles to his wishes. The militant Muslims are a prime example of this phenomenon.

    Comment by Phreddy — July 17, 2007 @ 10:12 am | Reply

  76. La Mona is a self-confessed sorceress and shape-shifter. Pay her no mind, the demons control her.

    Comment by Sisyphus — July 17, 2007 @ 10:25 am | Reply

  77. When Woden speaks, people listen.

    Comment by Fled — July 17, 2007 @ 10:35 am | Reply

  78. Who’s Woden?

    Comment by Sisyphus — July 17, 2007 @ 10:53 am | Reply

  79. Also known as Wotan, Wodan and Odin, he was known to kite checks among the German faithful. Word has it that he is living in a van down by the Danube.

    Comment by Fled — July 17, 2007 @ 11:32 am | Reply

  80. Dear Mr. Fled,

    Strange you should mention this.

    It is what my mother always said what would become of me if I took the God less traveled.

    Comment by Johnny D. Rotten — July 17, 2007 @ 11:57 am | Reply

  81. “Also known as Wotan, Wodan and Odin, he was known to kite checks among the German faithful. Word has it that he is living in a van down by the Danube.”

    He certainly got his come-uppance then, whoever he is. Why are we talking about this man?

    Comment by Sisyphus — July 17, 2007 @ 1:19 pm | Reply

  82. “Why are we talking about this man?”

    Because he is a pagan god. He is credited with creating the heavens and the earth. He and his brother killed a giant and carved him up, using his brains for clouds, his flesh for the earth, and his bones and teeth to make stones. He also was credited by his believers in creating man and woman from logs. Unlike the real God who made Adam from dirt and Eve from the flesh and bones of Adam, this guy used wood. How could anyone believe something so silly?

    Comment by Phreddy — July 17, 2007 @ 4:21 pm | Reply

  83. “La Mona is a self-confessed sorceress and shape-shifter. Pay her no mind, the demons control her.”

    I’m sorry, Sisyphus can’t read. I said that I can “bend” not “shift.” Those are two completely different things. (I bend like one doing gymnastics…I’m flexible. The end.) Sisyphus can’t read straight and will twist anything to satisfy his own self especially when it comes to trying to discredit someone he can’t compete with on a level field. Don’t sink so low Sisyphus. It’s not cute. Your blind statement is but a small example of the false claims, assumptions, and baseless accusations thrown my way…and with each one my points on your ignorance become stronger and stronger. You’re only helping me. Besides, anyone with a brain here knows I’m a Christian. By your logic, anyone who disagrees with anything you say is something close to demon-possessed…And you’re wrong many times over. Let’s see…Flawed “logic” labels someone blindly as demon-possessed…someone they have never seen/met. Blindly accuses them…Can’t read. Doesn’t know the difference between “bend” and “shift” in the English language. Yea, you have a strong arguement there Sisyphus. Congrats. (sarcasm)

    And I thought no one was posting here anymore. *shrugs*

    Comment by La Mona — July 17, 2007 @ 9:24 pm | Reply

  84. Phred – In the words of JL, you could have been a fisherman, but instead you’re a bloody fucking genius.

    Comment by Fled — July 18, 2007 @ 5:58 am | Reply

  85. Republican Presidential Nomination: 07/09/2007 – 07/18/2007

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/youdecide2008/index.html

    Giuliani 25.0%
    Thompson 20.0%
    McCain 13.5%
    Romney 10.0%
    Brownback ???

    “Brownie, you’re doing a heck of a job!”

    [Ed Note: Posting this identical comment in 8 comment threads qualifies as spam. Do it again and you will be banned.]

    Comment by Tyler Durden — July 20, 2007 @ 8:18 am | Reply

  86. Sisyphus you are the single stupidest person I have ever had the pleasure of not meeting and I take back anything nice I’ve ever said about you.

    Comment by Brandon Explosion — August 3, 2007 @ 11:32 am | Reply


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