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February 29, 2008

Open Tax Thread

Filed under: Defending America,Democratic Idiocy,Open Thread,Taxes — Sisyphus @ 2:46 pm

No time to post today, I’m trying to finish my taxes.

 I hate this time of the year.  I thoroughly support abolishing the fedral government.

Talk amongst yourselves about whatever.

101 Comments »

  1. It about time we put right sizing the Federal government on the table. BlackWater has should convincingly that for profit privet firms and can provided all the services we normally expect out of the government. Once we shift over to privatization we won’t need to be taxed anymore.

    Comment by BJ Tabor — February 29, 2008 @ 3:25 pm | Reply

  2. “I thoroughly support abolishing the fedral government.”

    I’ve always supported that. Is it possible this Sisy thing may have a brain cell we were all previously unaware of?

    Comment by The One — February 29, 2008 @ 3:32 pm | Reply

  3. “BlackWater has should convincingly that for profit privet firms and can provided all the services we normally expect out of the government.”

    A good education is something we could all enjoy.

    Comment by The One — February 29, 2008 @ 3:35 pm | Reply

  4. BlackWater has should convincingly that for profit privet firms and can provided all the services we normally expect out of the government.

    Please stop raping me, BJ.

    Comment by The English Language — February 29, 2008 @ 3:51 pm | Reply

  5. “I’ve always supported that. Is it possible this Sisy thing may have a brain cell we were all previously unaware of?”

    I think he means that he wants to replace it with a white-Christian-male-or-heathen-faggot-style government, but I see where you’re going with that.

    Comment by Tinlion — February 29, 2008 @ 3:52 pm | Reply

  6. Tinlion @ “I think he means that he wants to replace it with a white-Christian-male-or-heathen-faggot-style government, but I see where you’re going with that.”

    How many of you guys are foreigners here that you don’t get it, this badly? Shrinking the Federal government has long been the objective of American conservatives. That’s why President Bush bloated it so badly while making it under funded and filled it with political hacks; so the American people will see how useless big government is.

    Unfortunately thanks to the liberal Mainstream News media and a few, isolated poorly thought threw actions of members of the right the American public has decided the Republican Party is the problem and not big government. However, we conservatives have faith that after four years of Democratic government the American public will see the wisdom of our argument and re-embrace the Republican party. 2012 will certainly be a Republican sweep and herald the beginning of the perpetual Republican majority the Karl Rove has wisely foreseen.

    Personally I predict the US Federal government will be dissolved by 2016.

    Comment by BJ Tabor — February 29, 2008 @ 4:06 pm | Reply

  7. “so the American people will see how useless big government is. ”

    And yet the Republicans still want to be the biggest.

    Personally I predict the US Federal government will be dissolved by 2016.

    And I predict that BJ’s brain will dissolve before bedtime.

    “isolated poorly thought threw actions of members ”

    Still working on that education thing. I wonder where they threw their actions.

    “2012 will certainly be a Republican sweep and herald the beginning of the perpetual Republican majority the Karl Rove has wisely foreseen.”

    I have nothing to say about this, I just wanted to laugh at it again. “The Karl Rove” must be a witch with a power that was supposed to belong to one of the charmed ones.

    Comment by The One — February 29, 2008 @ 4:19 pm | Reply

  8. Allow me to expand on BJ Tabor’s words: Republicans are expanding government until the American people decide, “Enough is enough!” and will never grow the government big again (other than the military). Reagan, for example, increased government size at opportune moments when Americans were getting foolish ideas, but his plan unfortunately backfired when the liberal media (namely ABC) attacked Reagan instead of Big Government. The Democrats failed to pass a Medicare bill in the 90s, but the American people were, for some strange reason, wanting to expand that stupid bureaucracy. The GOP passed it in Congress to show how bad Big Government really is.

    I spent the better part of this week working on paying my taxes. However, I pay them with counterfeit money. There is lots of evidence that the Sixteenth Amendment was never properly ratified. But, then again, there is also evidence that the Constitution (except the Second Amendment) was never properly ratified.

    Comment by bobcorker — February 29, 2008 @ 4:21 pm | Reply

  9. While we wait, I quite like the idea of the “Guns and Drugs” party: 1/3 of Congress should be replaced by ostriches. In this way, the Democrats will have to actually clean up a mess (ostrich crap), and President Bush can govern without interference.

    Comment by bobcorker — February 29, 2008 @ 4:23 pm | Reply

  10. “Allow me to expand on BJ Tabor’s words:”

    According to a previous analysis this would be a case of Bob expanding on himself.

    Comment by The One — February 29, 2008 @ 5:13 pm | Reply

  11. Bob Corker @ “The Democrats failed to pass a Medicare bill in the 90s, but the American people were, for some strange reason, wanting to expand that stupid bureaucracy. The GOP passed it in Congress to show how bad Big Government really is.”

    If you’re referring to the Drug Prescription plan that was an excellent example of how inept government really is from the Republicans. The law deliberate discriminates against the middle class and instead gives it’s benefits the rich, the people who lest need government aid. The only way to fix it is add more government bloat thus giving the lesson big government only leads to more big government.

    (sigh) if we could only stop the MSM from twisting the message.

    Comment by BJ Tabor — February 29, 2008 @ 5:19 pm | Reply

  12. That’s why President Bush bloated it so badly while making it under funded and filled it with political hacks; so the American people will see how useless big government is.

    Ahahahaha. Funny how every conservative is doing the same, then. And then people flock to independents, democrats, etc. And then you folks whine and moan more.

    But, then again, there is also evidence that the Constitution (except the Second Amendment) was never properly ratified.

    Which you can’t provide. Oh, funny how the only amendment you like is the one you claim was properly ratified. I thought you had issues with how it didn’t explicitly allow for the shooting of n*ggers?

    Comment by Dio Brando — February 29, 2008 @ 5:56 pm | Reply

  13. Once we shift over to privatization we won’t need to be taxed anymore.

    No, you just have to pay the private corporations instead. And once they´ve got a monopoly, they can raise the prices as high as they want.

    Oh, and I´d never give a private corporation nuclear firepower. That´s just itching for trouble.

    Unfortunately thanks to the liberal Mainstream News media and a few, isolated poorly thought threw actions of members of the right the American public has decided the Republican Party is the problem and not big government.

    I´ll translate that: Unfortunately, the american public was not as dumb and gullible as we exspected them to be.

    Personally I predict the US Federal government will be dissolved by 2016.

    I´m gonna mark it in my calendar. It´ll be either the year I´m gonna mock you or the year that sees the complete end of what has once been a world power. And I doubt that more people will miss you instead of saying “good riddance!”

    But, then again, there is also evidence that the Constitution (except the Second Amendment) was never properly ratified.

    Which would mean that there legally is no country called the USA at all. Hey, I gotta tell this to the brits, there are surely a lot of revenue dues to collect over the pond.🙂

    In that spirit:
    John Cleese’s “Letter to America”

    Dear Citizens of America,

    In view of your failure to elect a competent President and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately.

    Her Sovereign Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II, will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths and other territories (except Kansas, which she does not fancy), as from Monday next.

    Your new prime minister, Gordon Brown, will appoint a governor for America without the need for further elections. Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A questionnaire may be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed.

    To aid in the transition to a British Crown Dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect:

    1. You should look up “revocation” in the Oxford English Dictionary. Then look up “aluminium,” and check the pronunciation guide. You will be amazed at just how wrongly you have been pronouncing it.

    2. The letter ‘U’ will be reinstated in words such as ‘colour’, ‘favour’ and ‘neighbour.’ Likewise, you will learn to spell ‘doughnut’ without skipping half the letters, and the suffix “ize” will be replaced by the suffix “ise.”

    3. You will learn that the suffix ‘burgh’ is pronounced ‘burra’; you may elect to spell Pittsburgh as ‘Pittsberg’ if you find you simply can’t cope with correct pronunciation.

    4. Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels (look up “vocabulary”). Using the same twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises such as “like” and “you know” is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication.

    5. There is no such thing as “US English.” We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take account of the reinstated letter ‘u’ and the elimination of “-ize.”

    6. You will relearn your original national anthem, “God Save The Queen”,
    but only after fully carrying out Task #1 (see above).

    7. July 4th will no longer be celebrated as a holiday. November 2nd will
    be a new national holiday, but to be celebrated only in England. It will be called “Come-Uppance Day.”

    8. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, lawyers or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows that you’re not adult enough to be independent. Guns should only be handled by adults. If you’re not adult enough to sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist then you’re not grown up enough to handle a gun.

    9. Therefore, you will no longer be allowed to own or carry anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler. A permit will be required if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public.

    10. All American cars are hereby banned. They are crap and this is for your own good. When we show you German cars, you will understand what we mean.

    11. All intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you will start driving on the left with immediate effect. At the same time, you will go metric immediately and without the benefit of conversion tables… Both roundabouts and metrification will help you understand the British sense of humour.

    12. The Former USA will adopt UK prices on petrol (which you have been calling “gasoline”) – roughly $8/US per gallon. Get used to it.

    13. You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call french fries are not real chips, and those things you insist on calling potato chips are properly called “crisps.” Real chips are thick cut, fried in animal fat, and dressed not with catsup but with malt vinegar.

    14. Waiters and waitresses will be trained to be more aggressive with customers.

    15. The cold tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually beer at all. Henceforth, only proper British Bitter will be referred to as “beer,” and European brews of known and accepted provenance will be referred to as “Lager.” American brands will be referred to as “Near-Frozen Gnat’s Urine,” so that all can be sold without risk of further confusion.

    16. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as good guys. Hollywood will also be required to cast English actors as English characters. Watching Andie MacDowell attempt English dialogue in “Four Weddings and a Funeral” was an experience akin to having one’s ear removed with a cheese grater.

    17. You will cease playing American “football.” There is only one kind of proper football; you call it “soccer”. Those of you brave enough, in time, will be allowed to play rugby (which has some similarities to American “football”, but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like a
    bunch of Jessies – English slang for “Big Girls Blouse”).

    18. Further, you will stop playing baseball. It is not reasonable to host an event called the “World Series” for a game which is not played outside of America. Since only 2.1% of you are aware that there is a world beyond your borders, your error is understandable and forgiven.

    19. You must tell us who killed JFK. It’s been driving us mad.

    20. An internal revenue agent (i.e. tax collector) from Her Majesty’s Government will be with you shortly to ensure the acquisition of all monies due, backdated to 1776.

    Thank you for your co-operation.
    John Cleese

    Comment by PG — February 29, 2008 @ 6:16 pm | Reply

  14. So, hang on – are you an anarchist, Sisy?

    I thought things such as V for Vendetta were part of the conspiracy plan by the Homosexual-Athiest-Black-Liberal-Scientist Society to help overturn God’s glorious dictatorship!

    By the way, why did JFK die?

    Comment by Felis — February 29, 2008 @ 6:41 pm | Reply

  15. No time to post today, I’m trying to finish my taxes.

    You should have been doing that instead of running a crappy blog.

    BlackWater has should convincingly that for profit privet firms and can provided all the services we normally expect out of the government.

    I feel like I need to wash my eyes out after reading such poor grammar.

    How many of you guys are foreigners here that you don’t get it, this badly?

    …With bleach.

    But his plan unfortunately backfired when the liberal media (namely ABC) attacked Reagan instead of Big Government.

    At least it was ABC and not Fox Noise, or Faux News, or GOP TV, or whatever.

    I spent the better part of this week working on paying my taxes. However, I pay them with counterfeit money.

    Thanks for the info. Now to turn this over to the FBI.

    But, then again, there is also evidence that the Constitution (except the Second Amendment) was never properly ratified.

    Pictures or it didn’t happen.

    Also, when was that letter written, PG?

    And to BJ Tabor, have a look at what your law really is. It’s the one on top, obviously.

    Comment by The Nobody — February 29, 2008 @ 6:47 pm | Reply

  16. Okay, how come every time I embed something, it doesn’t work? Is this some kind of sick joke?

    Oh, screw it, just copy-paste the URL to see what your definition really is: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Tabor%27s+Law&defid=2888711#2888711

    Comment by The Nobody — February 29, 2008 @ 6:49 pm | Reply

  17. If you hate taxes, you shoulda supported Ron Paul. He’s the only candidate who had the balls to kill the Fed. Pussies.

    Comment by spacebrother — February 29, 2008 @ 7:53 pm | Reply

  18. “How many of you guys are foreigners here that you don’t get it, this badly? Shrinking the Federal government has long been the objective of American conservatives. That’s why President Bush bloated it so badly while making it under funded and filled it with political hacks; so the American people will see how useless big government is.

    Unfortunately thanks to the liberal Mainstream News media and a few, isolated poorly thought threw actions of members of the right the American public has decided the Republican Party is the problem and not big government. However, we conservatives have faith that after four years of Democratic government the American public will see the wisdom of our argument and re-embrace the Republican party. 2012 will certainly be a Republican sweep and herald the beginning of the perpetual Republican majority the Karl Rove has wisely foreseen.

    Personally I predict the US Federal government will be dissolved by 2016.”

    Comment by BJ Tabor — February 29, 2008 @ 4:06 pm

    Thats a big crock o’sh!t. BJ Hellboy, you need to put down the crack pipe.

    Comment by spacebrother — February 29, 2008 @ 7:56 pm | Reply

  19. Good point, Spacebrother. It’s not really the Federal Government I hate, as much as it’s the taxes. I think we need to come up with a new stream of revenue. I’m open to suggestions. Confiscation of the property of seditious citizens could be pretty lucrative. Killing the federal government would be okay, but it could also be a useful source of Christianizing the nation. It all depends on how we use it. I agree with what Bob and BJ were saying about it, but I’m open-minded on the matter.

    Comment by Sisyphus — February 29, 2008 @ 8:38 pm | Reply

  20. So, Sisykins, since you desire the overthrow of the government and promote the installation of a monarchy, wouldn’t that make you a rather stark poster boy for sedition?

    Comment by Dio Brando — February 29, 2008 @ 9:10 pm | Reply

  21. “There is lots of evidence that the Sixteenth Amendment was never properly ratified. But, then again, there is also evidence that the Constitution (except the Second Amendment) was never properly ratified.”
    There’s also evidence that you’re a moron who cares little for logic and common sense. Just saying.

    Comment by Elephant Bones — February 29, 2008 @ 10:48 pm | Reply

  22. Sisyphus @ “Good point, Spacebrother. It’s not really the Federal Government I hate, as much as it’s the taxes. I think we need to come up with a new stream of revenue.”

    That’s why I am for privatization of the revenue generation. I was reading how the Roman Republic had this system called “Tax Farming” were they would contract out tax collection. The contractor would pay the Republic up front the taxes and then collect them, their’ profit coming out of the inherent superiority of private enterprise over bloated government agency (plus, perhaps, a trivial service fee to the tax payer) . Since the Roman Republic and Empire worked so well I think it is an excellent model for the US.

    Various liberal elitist scholars in their ivory towers have attempted to spin tax farming as government sanctioned extortion. Falsely accusing it of generating the hostility towards tax collectors in the Synoptic Gospels. Even if this liberal myth were true it would never happen today as Spacebrother’s hero Ron Paul has pointed out we Americans have the system of private lawsuits to protect us.

    Comment by BJ Tabor — March 1, 2008 @ 3:57 am | Reply

  23. “So, Sisykins, since you desire the overthrow of the government and promote the installation of a monarchy, wouldn’t that make you a rather stark poster boy for sedition?”

    Seditious against Satanism; quite loyal to God. Maybe you should try it sometime.

    “That’s why I am for privatization of the revenue generation. I was reading how the Roman Republic had this system called “Tax Farming” were they would contract out tax collection. The contractor would pay the Republic up front the taxes and then collect them, their’ profit coming out of the inherent superiority of private enterprise over bloated government agency (plus, perhaps, a trivial service fee to the tax payer) . Since the Roman Republic and Empire worked so well I think it is an excellent model for the US.”

    I agree! The Romans got way more money out of their tax people than we get from ours, plus it was a fairer system! If you could outsmart the tax guys, you didn’t have to pay. God is with me, so I know I’d be safe.

    Comment by Sisyphus — March 1, 2008 @ 6:56 am | Reply

  24. Bob Corker @ “The Democrats failed to pass a Medicare bill in the 90s, but the American people were, for some strange reason, wanting to expand that stupid bureaucracy. The GOP passed it in Congress to show how bad Big Government really is.”

    “If you’re referring to the Drug Prescription plan that was an excellent example of how inept government really is from the Republicans. The law deliberate discriminates against the middle class and instead gives it’s benefits the rich, the people who lest need government aid. The only way to fix it is add more government bloat thus giving the lesson big government only leads to more big government.”
    (comment by Sockpuppet)

    You do know that you are talking to yourself, don’t you?

    Comment by The One — March 1, 2008 @ 8:27 am | Reply

  25. Killing the federal government would be okay, but it could also be a useful source of Christianizing the nation. It all depends on how we use it. I agree with what Bob and BJ were saying about it, but I’m open-minded on the matter.

    Comment by Sisyphus — February 29, 2008 @ 8:38 pm

    Of course, Sisy, killing people is always ok, isn’t it? And I believe killing people is also one of the basic requirements of being a Christian in the first place.
    And Christianizing the nation is, oh, never mind, I can’t respond to this kind of silly thinking until after I’ve had a smoke.

    “open minded”

    In the words of The Nobody , I lol’d.

    Do us all a favor,,, the next time you have a thought, just let it go.

    Comment by The One — March 1, 2008 @ 8:43 am | Reply

  26. I know this is off topic, but I think it’s funny anyway.
    Some time ago Bob tried to convince everyone that I was a sockpuppet of Arn’s.
    Now Arn is saying that BJ is a sockpuppet of Bob’s. (and maybe even Marty too)
    Meanwhile Arn has a sockpuppet of his own called The One.
    I’m still not sure where this term “sockpuppet” came from in the first place.

    And all of this after Arn said he was bored and leaving the site, lol.

    Comment by FadedRose — March 1, 2008 @ 10:42 am | Reply

  27. “Seditious against Satanism; quite loyal to God. Maybe you should try it sometime.”
    Way to dodge the question.

    “God is with me, so I know I’d be safe.”
    Whatever helps you sleep at night.

    Comment by Elephant Bones — March 1, 2008 @ 12:05 pm | Reply

  28. Sisyphus @ “I agree! The Romans got way more money out of their tax people than we get from ours, plus it was a fairer system! If you could outsmart the tax guys, you didn’t have to pay. God is with me, so I know I’d be safe.”

    Good point. It would make the tax system competitive which is the American system is all about. Tax Farming rewards the clever and industrious with a reduced tax burden.

    Comment by BJ Tabor — March 1, 2008 @ 2:01 pm | Reply

  29. Good point. It would make the tax system competitive which is the American system is all about. Tax Farming rewards the clever and industrious with a reduced tax burden.”

    The Romans were great entrepreneurs and innovators. How else could they control the French, Italians, Germans, Greeks, Syrians, Egyptians, Turks, Iraqis, Spaniards, Slavs, Romanians, British, AND the malingering, swamp-crawling Dutch for 1,000 years? I think we could learn a lot from their example, and apply it to those other peoples as well.

    Comment by Sisyphus — March 1, 2008 @ 2:38 pm | Reply

  30. “How else could they control the French, Italians, Germans, Greeks, Syrians, Egyptians, Turks, Iraqis, Spaniards, Slavs, Romanians, British, AND the malingering, swamp-crawling Dutch for 1,000 years?”
    Mostly because most of those countries DIDN’T EXIST at that time.

    “I think we could learn a lot from their example”
    I could think of a few things we learned from them: don’t use lead for piping, don’t eat 10 courses in one sitting if you’re going to vomit 8 of them, don’t elect pyromaniacs into office, and so on.

    Comment by Elephant Bones — March 1, 2008 @ 6:18 pm | Reply

  31. What the hell is all this about me talking to myself? Oh, it’s Arn claiming it. Don’t you have our IP Addresses, dipdick?

    “Good point, Spacebrother. It’s not really the Federal Government I hate, as much as it’s the taxes. I think we need to come up with a new stream of revenue. I’m open to suggestions. Confiscation of the property of seditious citizens could be pretty lucrative. Killing the federal government would be okay, but it could also be a useful source of Christianizing the nation. It all depends on how we use it. I agree with what Bob and BJ were saying about it, but I’m open-minded on the matter.”

    In my opinion, Christianizing should generally be left to localities. Exceptions such as the cities along the San Andreas faultline, Miami, and New York can be left to the states, but localities as a whole are much more convincing than scary men with dark shades. Think of Christianizing as a community project. Stoning sinners, for instance, brings people together. That’s what tradition does: unites people against a common enemy. Each child must be indoctrinated into our system. The girls can design mechanical clotheslines that can ensnare sinners with the push of a button, and then the boys can stone them, although they may want to toy with their prey with Hot Wheels, though.

    “The Romans were great entrepreneurs and innovators. How else could they control the French, Italians, Germans, Greeks, Syrians, Egyptians, Turks, Iraqis, Spaniards, Slavs, Romanians, British, AND the malingering, swamp-crawling Dutch for 1,000 years? I think we could learn a lot from their example, and apply it to those other peoples as well.”

    Once we obtain China and Russia’s nukes, we won’t even have to do that in order to conquer the world. Ultimately, however, if we just kill off the legislature’s power to manipulate the economy, the American people will easily agree with tax cuts. After all, we revolted against a 3% tax. We can revolt against our 50% tax, as well.

    Comment by bobcorker — March 1, 2008 @ 6:49 pm | Reply

  32. Oh and HAPPY BIRTHDAY B4B!

    Comment by bobcorker — March 1, 2008 @ 6:50 pm | Reply

  33. “What the hell is all this about me talking to myself? Oh, it’s Arn claiming it. Don’t you have our IP Addresses, dipdick?”
    (comment by a sockpuppet, or by the sockpuppets master, you decide)

    You tell me. That is obviously you talking in that comment below, right?
    And at the end it clearly states that the comment was posted by BJ, right?
    So was that you posting as BJ or was that BJ pretending to be you?

    Logical conclusion would be that the two of you are the same person.

    [“Arn@”Bobby will say kill someone, ”

    At lest you mention me in the first 10% of your rants Arn before my eyes glazed over. But really, were do I go advocating murder? My last post was advocating voting Republican. That’s says a lot about your personal bias if you equate that with murder.

    I will pray for you Arn that you may move beyond your hate.

    Comment by BJ Tabor — February 29, 2008 @ 11:44 am”]

    PROTIP: I never mentioned BJ in that post at all so don’t try saying he just copied the wrong line but meant to get the one with him in it

    Comment by The One — March 1, 2008 @ 7:10 pm | Reply

  34. The spelling errors made in that comment are common to the both of you.

    Your explanation?

    Comment by The One — March 1, 2008 @ 7:13 pm | Reply

  35. I know, why don’t you and BJ get together and discuss how to explain that one between the two of you.

    I suggest somewhere private, like perhaps inside that little brain that the two of you share.

    Just make sure that Marty isn’t listening in from the back of your mind.

    Comment by The One — March 1, 2008 @ 7:27 pm | Reply

  36. Haven’t read the comments, so I’m sure i could rant about all of the evil extremist shit you most likely posted there… but as for the post. You sound like a Ron Paul supporter. Good Job.

    Comment by Jonathon Reece — March 1, 2008 @ 7:59 pm | Reply

  37. “Once we obtain China and Russia’s nukes, we won’t even have to do that in order to conquer the world.”
    How do you plan to pull that one off?

    “The girls can design mechanical clotheslines that can ensnare sinners with the push of a button, and then the boys can stone them, although they may want to toy with their prey with Hot Wheels, though.”
    You could write for kid’s movies, your imagination is just impeccable.

    “That’s what tradition does: unites people against a common enemy.”
    Is that all tradition’s good for? Grouping up on a scapegoat? How idiotic.

    Comment by Elephant Bones — March 1, 2008 @ 8:01 pm | Reply

  38. How else could they control the French, Italians, Germans, Greeks, Syrians, Egyptians, Turks, Iraqis, Spaniards, Slavs, Romanians, British, AND the malingering, swamp-crawling Dutch for 1,000 years?

    They never controlled most of Germany…and the Slavs were quite a nightmare to them, too. Same goes for Britain, hell, they had to build a wall.

    And they managed to get that far by actually learning from everyone they faced and using thse lessons. IE the one thing conservatives are seemingly incapable of.

    I think we could learn a lot from their example, and apply it to those other peoples as well.

    Those other people were not largely allied back then. Neither did they have nukes.

    Once we obtain China and Russia’s nukes, we won’t even have to do that in order to conquer the world.

    The only way for you to “obtain” China´s or Russia´s nukes is to have said nukes glassing your entire country into the world´s biggest parking lot. Have a nice Apocalypse.

    Comment by PG — March 1, 2008 @ 8:22 pm | Reply

  39. “The only way for you to “obtain” China´s or Russia´s nukes is to have said nukes glassing your entire country into the world´s biggest parking lot. Have a nice Apocalypse.”

    Hardly. Russia is controlled by the CIA, and China would quickly lose its economy if America were destroyed. Both countries need America. Germany is just a pitiful blotch on the map, anyways. What would you know?

    “Is that all tradition’s good for? Grouping up on a scapegoat? How idiotic.”

    Without someone’s tradition (the wrong one, but still a tradition), you wouldn’t have that silly DS. Our tradition made this country, and it can destroy others, too.

    Comment by bobcorker — March 1, 2008 @ 8:55 pm | Reply

  40. Seditious against Satanism; quite loyal to God. Maybe you should try it sometime.

    You avoided my question. So you really are a traitor to the country. GTFO of America. You not only hate the country, you publicly express a desire to blow up half of it. You sir, are the terrorists.

    The Romans were great entrepreneurs and innovators.

    They also enjoyed tossing early Christians to the lions. So now you hate Christians?

    Once we obtain China and Russia’s nukes, we won’t even have to do that in order to conquer the world.

    We barely managed to get the Philosopher’s Legacy. Getting their nukes without being nuked would be impossible. Solid Snake is not under the command of The Patriots.

    Russia is controlled by the CIA, and China would quickly lose its economy if America were destroyed.

    Right, the CIA controls Russia. That’s why we have problems with Russian spies, and Russia threatening tie-severing if we ever give any support to the Chechen people. Oh, and China ships to far more than the U.S., plus controls quite a number of countries.

    Our tradition made this country, and it can destroy others, too.

    Your tradition of lynching blacks doesn’t get terribly far in the world.

    Think of Christianizing as a community project. Stoning sinners, for instance, brings people together. That’s what tradition does: unites people against a common enemy.

    Because every child needs to see and smell rotting corpses of former friends and classmates, right? Parents and siblings, too?

    tradition
    (trə-dĭsh’ən) pronunciation

    n.

    1. The passing down of elements of a culture from generation to generation, especially by oral communication.

    Comment by Dio Brando — March 1, 2008 @ 10:17 pm | Reply

  41. Hey, I came across something interesting today that I thought b4b would be interested in.
    http://blogsnot4brownback.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/weapons-of-gas-destruction-a-poorly-coined-up-report-by-b4b/
    Have fun shitting epic amounts of bricks, you trolls.

    Comment by The Nobody — March 1, 2008 @ 10:52 pm | Reply

  42. “What would you know?”
    PG’s German, and he’s said so several times.

    “Without someone’s tradition (the wrong one, but still a tradition), you wouldn’t have that silly DS.”
    I don’t follow. The DS is a revolutionary game system that completely breaks from tradition.

    Comment by Elephant Bones — March 2, 2008 @ 12:18 am | Reply

  43. Hardly. Russia is controlled by the CIA, and China would quickly lose its economy if America were destroyed. Both countries need America. Germany is just a pitiful blotch on the map, anyways. What would you know?

    Putin thinks otherwise and is establishing Russia as a rival to the USA. And the CIA can control as much as it wants, all it needs is one guy with acess to a nuke to screw you over.

    China is as dependent on you as you´re dependent on China. And they won´t give up their nukes for anything.

    PS: That pitiful blotch on the Map has the 3rd highest GDP worldwide and is part of the strongest economic and military power this planet has ever seen.

    We barely managed to get the Philosopher’s Legacy. Getting their nukes without being nuked would be impossible. Solid Snake is not under the command of The Patriots.

    Nice one, although they won´t get it.

    Comment by PG — March 2, 2008 @ 6:48 am | Reply

  44. I’m still waiting for Corkers answer to comment #33

    Comment by The One — March 2, 2008 @ 1:53 pm | Reply

  45. “We barely managed to get the Philosopher’s Legacy. Getting their nukes without being nuked would be impossible. Solid Snake is not under the command of The Patriots.”

    This isn’t a Metal Gear Solid game! Konami is run by sinful moonbats that hate America and encourage the slaughtering of Russians and patriots.

    Arn, I don’t HAVE to answer your question. We do not make the same spelling errors, and you are the only person here that believes that bullcrap. BJ Tabor could be a spoof. I, however, am a true patriot.

    Comment by bobcorker — March 2, 2008 @ 2:33 pm | Reply

  46. inb4DSispornmonger

    Comment by Tinlion — March 2, 2008 @ 2:49 pm | Reply

  47. “I, however, am a true patriot.”
    The same way Benedict Arnold was a true patriot.

    Comment by Elephant Bones — March 2, 2008 @ 2:55 pm | Reply

  48. This isn’t a Metal Gear Solid game! Konami is run by sinful moonbats that hate America and encourage the slaughtering of Russians and patriots.

    Seems like you know a bit too much about that”sinful” game…

    The same way Benedict Arnold was a true patriot.

    Ouch!

    Comment by PG — March 2, 2008 @ 4:09 pm | Reply

  49. Isn’t the point of the first MGS to infiltrate an Alaskan base in hopes of dismantling a Metal Gear that would be used to blow up the USA? And wasn’t the president behind the whole thing? Oops, spoiler.

    Comment by The Nobody — March 2, 2008 @ 4:30 pm | Reply

  50. Comment by The Nobody — March 2, 2008 @ 5:41 pm | Reply

  51. “The same way Benedict Arnold was a true patriot.”

    You’re one to talk, Leftist. Your kind hates America, and only America. You are despicable.

    “Seems like you know a bit too much about that”sinful” game…”

    It’s not my fault some loathsome teenager was playing it next to me in the yacht.

    Comment by bobcorker — March 2, 2008 @ 5:51 pm | Reply

  52. “You’re one to talk, Leftist. Your kind hates America, and only America. You are despicable.”

    And your kind hates everybody, and only everybody.

    I do, however, find it mildly amusing that YOU would call someone despicable while not looking in the mirror. (or were you?)

    Comment by The One — March 2, 2008 @ 6:31 pm | Reply

  53. Sisy, I am just a little bit confused. Recently you have been suggesting that you have a desire to see the government overthrown and done away with. Yet we all know you as a strong supporter of the Republican party (even if you are wishy washy about which candidates to support).

    Could this possibly be an indication that the reason you have so strongly supported the Republicans is because you feel they would be the easiest ones to overthrow?

    Comment by The One — March 2, 2008 @ 6:36 pm | Reply

  54. “It’s not my fault some loathsome teenager was playing it next to me in the yacht.”
    Are you in the Sea Org?

    “You’re one to talk, Leftist.”
    You’re the one who supports actively opposing the government when policies and laws aren’t convenient to you. Sounds like ol’ BA to me. Or should i say, BC?

    Comment by Elephant Bones — March 2, 2008 @ 8:07 pm | Reply

  55. I know dad is going to be mad at me for writing on here again, he told me to stay off this site cause you are all just a bunch of idiots here to fight with each other cause you have nothing better to do but I see that he is still here too, lol.

    I just wanted to say that I hate taxes. every year dad does his taxes and if I try to talk to him he yells at me and says he cant think with me jabbering in his ears. I think taxes are just another way the government has of trying to cause trouble in our homes and even more for people like dad who works for himself and has to do his taxes every three months. he never gets anything back and always gripes about not saving enough to pay them all at once then he gets in a bad mood and stays that way for days. We should outlaw taxes and outlaw all those people in washington that get paid to think of more ways to take our money from us.

    Comment by One and a Half — March 2, 2008 @ 8:15 pm | Reply

  56. It’s not my fault some loathsome teenager was playing it next to me in the yacht.

    And that just happened to be the same exact game that we happen to be discussing? And you happened to be paying attention to what the game was, the main characters name, AND the company that created it? Interesting…

    Comment by anonymouslulz404 — March 2, 2008 @ 8:17 pm | Reply

  57. This isn’t a Metal Gear Solid game! Konami is run by sinful moonbats that hate America and encourage the slaughtering of Russians and patriots.

    Hey now, you ARE killing communists, and you fight for– wait, you do know too much, because you’d have to sit there for the 20 hours it takes to reach the end of MGS3. You are the balds, sir.

    Also, You are every single opposite of The Boss.

    Comment by Dio Brando — March 2, 2008 @ 8:38 pm | Reply

  58. Bob Corker @ “Once we obtain China and Russia’s nukes, we won’t even have to do that in order to conquer the world. Ultimately, however, if we just kill off the legislature’s power to manipulate the economy, the American people will easily agree with tax cuts. After all, we revolted against a 3% tax. We can revolt against our 50% tax, as well.”

    Well if we follow the model of the Roman’s we can do away with all taxes in America all together. Once we liberate those Russian and Chinese nukes Russia and China can be given the opportunity to participating in the March of Freedom by making voluntary loans to the United States. Obviously since Europe has hardly any military of their own they’ll be more than willing to make voluntary loans to America too.

    This will be a win-win situation for Europe, Russia and China since the United States will be handling world wide security needs threw private military contractors. Defense costs will be vastly lower and wars will be vastly more efficient once the military is free of the stiffening straight jacket of government bureaucracy.

    Comment by BJ Tabor — March 3, 2008 @ 11:17 am | Reply

  59. >threw
    I think you mean THROUGH

    Comment by Elephant Bones — March 3, 2008 @ 12:30 pm | Reply

  60. Hey, looks like your republicunt allies has turned against you!

    Reasons not to be a Republican

    Posted by Lynelle Bryant on March 3, 2008

    Ha! Ha! You forgot Frank created this stupid blog up so I can post anytime I like and anything I like. I am posting this for the readers with common sense. In case any remembers me, I used to be a part of this cult but by the grace of God escaped. I am still a Christian who now just happens to be a Democrat.

    To be a Republican you need to believe:

    1. Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary
    Clinton.

    2. Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush’s
    Daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him,
    and a bad guy when Bush needed a “we can’t find Bin Laden” diversion.

    3. Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is Communist, but
    trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international
    harmony.

    4. The United States should get out of the United Nations, and our
    highest national priority is enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.

    5. A woman can’t be trusted with decisions about her own body, but
    multinational drug corporations can make decisions affecting all
    mankind without regulation.

    6. The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in
    speeches, while slashing veterans’ benefits and combat pay.

    7. If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won’t have sex.

    8. A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our longtime allies,
    then demand their cooperation and money.

    9. Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy, but providing
    health care to all Americans is socialism. HMO’s and insurance
    companies have the best interests of the public at heart.

    10. Global warming and tobacco’s link to cancer are junk science , but
    creationism should be taught in schools.

    11. A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable
    offense, but a president lying to enlist support for a war in which
    thousands die is solid defense policy.

    12. Government should limit itself to the powers named in the
    Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the
    Internet.

    13. The public has a right to know about Hillary’s cattle trades, but
    George Bush’s driving record is none of our business.

    14. Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you’re
    a conservative radio host. Then it’s an illness and you need our
    prayers for your recovery.

    15. Supporting “Executive Privilege” for every Republican ever born,
    who will be born or who might be born (in perpetuity.)

    16. What Bill Clinton did in the 1960’s is of vital national
    interest, but what Bush did in the ’80’s is irrelevant.

    17. Support for hunters who shoot their friends and blame them for
    wearing orange vests similar to those worn by the quail.

    If you don’t send this to at least 10 other people, we’re likely to
    be stuck with more Republicans in ‘08.

    Friends don’t let friends vote Republican. I like Obama but if it is Hillary I will proudly vote for the last Democrat standing just to vote against John McCain.

    God Bless!

    Proof? http://baptistsforbrown2008.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/reasons-not-to-be-a-republican/

    Comment by The Nobody — March 3, 2008 @ 2:18 pm | Reply

  61. Hey, looks like your republicunt allies have turned against you!

    Fixed

    Comment by The Nobody — March 3, 2008 @ 2:19 pm | Reply

  62. “Reasons to not be Republican”
    Amen, Nobody. Amen

    Comment by Elephant Bones — March 3, 2008 @ 5:24 pm | Reply

  63. I just want to say this: Bob Corker, I don’t know how old you are, but after Brownback’s two terms are up, if you ever want to run for office, you have my vote. You have Ralph’s vote, as well, so even if President Brownback rallies the support he needs to repeal womens’ suffrage you will still get a vote from my household. Our children will vote for you, too, so you can count on supporters in Cincinnati and Pittsburgh.

    Comment by Marcia P. — March 3, 2008 @ 5:33 pm | Reply

  64. I just want to say this: Bob Corker, I don’t know how old you are, but after Brownback’s two terms are up, if you ever want to run for office, you have my vote. You have Ralph’s vote, as well, so even if President Brownback rallies the support he needs to repeal womens’ suffrage you will still get a vote from my household. Our children will vote for you, too, so you can count on supporters in Cincinnati and Pittsburgh.

    -Murderers and rapists can’t run for office. So Corker has zero chance, especially when his noose collection is shown.

    -(insert link to both B4B entries detailing that you, lacking a penis, have ZERO rights so shut the hell up and get back in the kitchen)

    -Children can’t vote.

    Comment by Dio Brando — March 3, 2008 @ 6:28 pm | Reply

  65. Obviously since Europe has hardly any military of their own they’ll be more than willing to make voluntary loans to America too.

    Number of active soldiers in the US Armed Forces: 1,426,713
    Number of active soldiers in the armed forces of all EU-members: 2.230.665 (+1,514,850 when Turkey joins)
    Reserves USA: 1,458,500
    Reserves EU:4.475.742 (+ 990,600 when Turkey joins)

    Seems like “hardly any military” in your language means “more than double than what we have” in plain english.

    Given that europe´s militaries are at least on par in terms of training and technology (just ask who´s supplying half of your weaponry) you really shouldn´t try to fuck with the EU, it´d be very unhealthy for your country.

    Once we liberate those Russian and Chinese nukes Russia and China can be given the opportunity to participating in the March of Freedom by making voluntary loans to the United States. Obviously since Europe has hardly any military of their own they’ll be more than willing to make voluntary loans to America too.

    This will be a win-win situation for Europe, Russia and China since the United States will be handling world wide security needs threw private military contractors. Defense costs will be vastly lower and wars will be vastly more efficient once the military is free of the stiffening straight jacket of government bureaucracy.

    And given that all these countries will cling to their nukes and only give them to you by firing them into your country turning it into a glassy parking lot, the obvious answer to that offer is:
    “*insert improbable sexual action* YOU!”

    Comment by PG — March 3, 2008 @ 6:34 pm | Reply

  66. God, I’m so TIRED of hearing about the all-mighty EU. It’s not even a country, it’s a motley assortment of petty-states ruled with an iron economic fist by Britain, France, and Germany. Why don’t you try taking on the US, China, Russia, or some other unified nation with your precious EU? See how many military setbacks you suffer before half your mighty alliance jumps in on the other side. Moron.

    Comment by Sisyphus — March 3, 2008 @ 6:40 pm | Reply

  67. It’s not even a country, it’s a motley assortment of petty-states ruled with an iron economic fist by Britain, France, and Germany

    Hey moron, Britain isn’t in the E.U.

    Comment by Dio Brando — March 3, 2008 @ 6:47 pm | Reply

  68. “Hey moron, Britain isn’t in the E.U.”

    Britain’s half-in, half-out. Kind of like you and America- nominally a citizen, in practice a traitor.

    Another thing about the EU: bring in Turkey, and you’ll see German troops called to fight in Kurdistan 5 years from now. Enjoy being used, suckers! You won’t fight for Iraqi freedom with America, but you’ll HAVE to fight for Iraqi slavery with Turkey.

    What an incredibly stupid discussion the EU is. It’s not even a military union, and if it were it would be the most easily-punctured mess since the Axis Powers. Everyone wants to join when they know the US will be doing all the fighting; let the EU have to take some casualties, and THEN we’ll see how keen Slovakia/Slovenia/Lithuania/Andorra/your grandmother with the weird last name’s country the size of your neighborhood/Vatican City are to fight for France and Germany’s right to pillage and plunder their former colonies once again.

    Europe already had its chance to rule the world. Look what a good job you did of it, we’re still cleaning up your messes! Come back on out of your frigid, worthless, icy, glacial mess of a continent, and I can assure you that Africa and Asia will stand by America in greeting you with celebratory gun- and rocket-fire.

    Comment by Sisyphus — March 3, 2008 @ 6:54 pm | Reply

  69. “Europe already had its chance to rule the world. Look what a good job you did of it, we’re still cleaning up your messes! Come back on out of your frigid, worthless, icy, glacial mess of a continent, and I can assure you that Africa and Asia will stand by America in greeting you with celebratory gun- and rocket-fire.”

    Imagine that, Sisy expecting help from Africa and Asia. After all of the nasty things he’s said about both of them, now he thinks they’ll be on his side. Sorry, Sisy, but I don’t think them ni**as and chinks like you very much after you done run their heritage through the mud.

    Comment by The One — March 3, 2008 @ 7:46 pm | Reply

  70. And world domination will NEVER happen by any country. The world’s nuclear arsenal is just too large for any one country to rule over the rest, nuclear winter will come first, followed by the summer of the cockroach.

    Comment by The One — March 3, 2008 @ 7:48 pm | Reply

  71. “Imagine that, Sisy expecting help from Africa and Asia. After all of the nasty things he’s said about both of them, now he thinks they’ll be on his side. Sorry, Sisy, but I don’t think them ni**as and chinks like you very much after you done run their heritage through the mud.”

    I wasn’t expecting help from them; I was just pointing out to the German what kind of reception he can expect from them when he shows up with his French buddies to colonize them again. In that respect, the whole world stands united against Europe.

    Comment by Sisyphus — March 3, 2008 @ 7:48 pm | Reply

  72. “And world domination will NEVER happen by any country. The world’s nuclear arsenal is just too large for any one country to rule over the rest, nuclear winter will come first, followed by the summer of the cockroach.”

    Tell that to your German buddy. He seems to think mighty Germany’s mighty Norwegian and Turkish allies will be able to carve up the world together.

    Comment by Sisyphus — March 3, 2008 @ 7:49 pm | Reply

  73. OMG!! I see a “conversation” coming soon in my house, lol.
    Did you read comment #55?

    I’m not totally sure, but I do believe I have just been insulted, and not by corker or BJ. That comment has all the earmarks of my own daughter, and using a take off on my own sign in name. I think her intention was to insult taxes and/or the lawmakers responsible for them, but I believe she took a small hit at me there too.

    Should I dare to ask Bob or Marty for advice on how to handle that?

    Naaaaaaa.

    Comment by The One — March 3, 2008 @ 8:00 pm | Reply

  74. I seem to miss some of the important points here somehow, Sisy. Who is the German?

    Comment by The One — March 3, 2008 @ 8:03 pm | Reply

  75. “Should I dare to ask Bob or Marty for advice on how to handle that?”
    I’d advise doing a barrel roll.

    Comment by Elephant Bones — March 3, 2008 @ 8:04 pm | Reply

  76. I still want to know who the German is here. If I were to hazard a guess, I’d say it must be EB or PG.
    Those two both seem to have minds that could have come from the same country that gives us some of the finest automobiles in the world.
    Sisy, on the other hand seems to come from the bottom of the ocean. The pressure crushed his brains and he got the bends on his way up.

    Comment by The One — March 3, 2008 @ 8:30 pm | Reply

  77. Kind of like you and America- nominally a citizen, in practice a traitor.

    More like you. You see, unlike you, I don’t support genocide, I vote to logic(I’m registered non-partisan, so no side has me exclusively), I don’t want to install a monarchy, and I certainly don’t support a coup de etat like you(see: Brownback Monarchy).

    Comment by Dio Brando — March 3, 2008 @ 9:23 pm | Reply

  78. “I just want to say this: Bob Corker, I don’t know how old you are, but after Brownback’s two terms are up, if you ever want to run for office, you have my vote. You have Ralph’s vote, as well, so even if President Brownback rallies the support he needs to repeal womens’ suffrage you will still get a vote from my household. Our children will vote for you, too, so you can count on supporters in Cincinnati and Pittsburgh.”

    Thanks! I’m not in office. My cousin is a senator in Tennessee, however. He could probably use some support in 2012.

    “Should I dare to ask Bob or Marty for advice on how to handle that?”

    Actually, Arn, those are perfectly normal feelings. Tell your daughter that she’ll understand once she has to pay taxes.

    “Who’s the German”

    PG.

    Comment by bobcorker — March 3, 2008 @ 9:31 pm | Reply

  79. “I’d say it must be EB or PG.”
    Nein, bin ich von Texas.

    Comment by Elephant Bones — March 3, 2008 @ 10:04 pm | Reply

  80. God, I’m so TIRED of hearing about the all-mighty EU. It’s not even a country, it’s a motley assortment of petty-states ruled with an iron economic fist by Britain, France, and Germany. Why don’t you try taking on the US, China, Russia, or some other unified nation with your precious EU? See how many military setbacks you suffer before half your mighty alliance jumps in on the other side. Moron.

    ALl powerful? No. A major global player? Hell, yes.

    And to answer your question: Because we don´t have to show off, becuase we seem to be the only ones to have learned that war should always ever be the LAST solution (except some turd tries to blackmail your country or even attacks it) and because a global thermonuclear war is something I´d rather not like to see. The EU is a superpower in it´s own right, be it militarily, economically or politically. Face it.

    Another thing about the EU: bring in Turkey, and you’ll see German troops called to fight in Kurdistan 5 years from now. Enjoy being used, suckers! You won’t fight for Iraqi freedom with America, but you’ll HAVE to fight for Iraqi slavery with Turkey.

    I beg to differ. The turkish attack on Kurdistan was aimed at an organisation that was deemed to be of terroristical purpose by nigh-everyone, including the US. The turks will kick them around a bit and then let it be. Fact is, this whole affair is more of a police action than anything else and Turkey seems to be perfectly happy doing it by itself.

    Everyone wants to join when they know the US will be doing all the fighting;

    Yeah, it´s not like the NATO was founded for a war that would mostly take place on european soil… But yeah, it is somewhat appropriate if we talk about most members of the “coalition of the willing”.

    to fight for France and Germany’s right to pillage and plunder their former colonies once again.

    Why should we want to? WE are perfectly fine with what we have now, why trying that colonialism stuff again? It has been shown not to work.

    Europe already had its chance to rule the world. Look what a good job you did of it, we’re still cleaning up your messes! Come back on out of your frigid, worthless, icy, glacial mess of a continent, and I can assure you that Africa and Asia will stand by America in greeting you with celebratory gun- and rocket-fire.

    Nah, Asia and Africa will simply watch the fireworks as we nuke each other to smithereens. One of the reasons why a global war isn´t a good idea today. Besides, why should we want one? Really, why? I don´t see the point in it.

    Besides, it wasn´t a chance, it was a reality. And what did it need to end it? Europeans.

    Tell that to your German buddy. He seems to think mighty Germany’s mighty Norwegian and Turkish allies will be able to carve up the world together.

    Now, now, I never said that. I only answered to mr corcer´s assessment that europe has “hardly any military”. WHich, as shown, is a blatant falsehood.

    I´m the german.🙂

    Comment by PG — March 4, 2008 @ 4:57 am | Reply

  81. “I´m the german. ”

    Somehow, I thought so. Should I shoot you now before you get the turks to help,,lol. And what do we have here above? Evidence that I was correct, the country that has some of the finest automobiles in the world DOES produce people with brains to match. I’m just embarrassed to admit that I come from a country that can produce people with brains like Sisy’s.
    That’s right, EB did say before that he was from texas. Hey EB, if you’re not doing anything later, I have a present I’d like delivered to a Ranch down there, just drop it off and leave, leave quickly😀

    Comment by The One — March 4, 2008 @ 5:33 am | Reply

  82. “Actually, Arn, those are perfectly normal feelings. Tell your daughter that she’ll understand once she has to pay taxes.”

    I think she has a pretty good understanding now, but she was right, I do tend to get a little short with her when I’m working on them, that’s something I should work on myself, I never really thought much of it before. Sometimes I guess it takes having your own child point out your shortcomings to strangers to get you to stop and think about how they feel when you yell at them over things that they had nothing to do with.

    Actually she does have something to do with them, she’s a legal deduction, I should be hugging her for it, not yelling at her.

    Comment by The One — March 4, 2008 @ 5:39 am | Reply

  83. I hate to say it, but Huckabee’s right about taxes (note I am not conceding on any other issue). Keyes said it first though.

    Income tax has only been around since 1913. Before that it was not only unnecessary, but unconstitutional. Not only does it prevent the wealthy from paying their fair share (since the richest people often inherit their wealth rather than working for it like decent Americans), it also means thousands of people are getting paid under the table, just to avoid paying taxes. (And let’s not forget drug dealers. You think they pay income tax?)

    What we need to do is increase sales tax to about 25% and get rid of federal income tax altogether. (The states don’t take out nearly as much, and I say let them keep doing it if they want.) Everyone pays their fair share, the government still gets enough money to keep everything running, and most importantly, the government is no longer prying into everyone’s business. Why should I trust thousands of strangers with knowledge I don’t even share with my closest friends?

    Higher sales tax also means higher incentive to save up money and live within one’s means. When you’re only taxed on what you spend, you’re in control of your money, not the government.

    Comment by L — March 4, 2008 @ 9:53 am | Reply

  84. “Hey EB, if you’re not doing anything later, I have a present I’d like delivered to a Ranch down there, just drop it off and leave, leave quickly”
    Sorry, my girlfriend’s a Republican, and I agreed not to do anything radical. I can give you directions once you get here, though

    Comment by Elephant Bones — March 4, 2008 @ 11:18 am | Reply

  85. “Sorry, my girlfriend’s a Republican, and I agreed not to do anything radical. I can give you directions once you get here, though”

    Fair enough, I’m heading down South at the end of the week anyway, and it’s not far at all from Mississippi to Texas.

    Comment by The One — March 4, 2008 @ 12:29 pm | Reply

  86. “Why should we want to? WE are perfectly fine with what we have now, why trying that colonialism stuff again? It has been shown not to work.”

    That never stopped you morons before. Without America to hold you in check now, you’d soon be at it again. The French are already opening bases in the Persian Gulf. Do you think we’re too stupid to recognize the early signs of colonialism? Even more importantly, do you think the Arabs are too stupid to recognize the early signs of colonialism?

    “Nah, Asia and Africa will simply watch the fireworks as we nuke each other to smithereens.”

    Yes, I’m sure they’ll stand by while you invade their countries again. Really likely. Hey, why don’t you guys try and occupy Cameroon and Tanzania again tomorrow? I predict good things for you. America won’t get involved. We won’t even have to. Moron.

    “Besides, it wasn´t a chance, it was a reality. And what did it need to end it? Europeans.”

    And millions of insurgents in places like Indochina, Algeria, Rhodesia, Mozambique, Angola, Kenya, Malaysia, Namibia, etc. etc. etc. But hey, why pay attention to them when it’s so much easier to thump your chest and exalt the all-mighty, all-perfect, all-just, all-good Quasi-United Nations of Europe? After all, the peoples that invented the fall of the Roman Empire, the trans-Atlantic slave trade AND the Holocaust are sacred, blameless peoples incapable of wrongdoing and transcending all criticism. Yes, I’m sure the world will welcome your renewed dominance, you pompous, weapons-supplying colonizing hypocrite butchers. Why don’t you help your French buddies sell some more weaponry to the Rwandan Hutus while you’re on your high horse?

    Comment by Sisyphus — March 4, 2008 @ 3:06 pm | Reply

  87. That never stopped you morons before. Without America to hold you in check now, you’d soon be at it again.

    Yadda, yadda. Trying again normally takes another country to do it and a few centuries to have passed. And the USA never held us in check at all, save for the Cold War, when no one had anything else in mind then getting rid of the soviets without another “war to end all wars” *anyway*. We have had enough of those, thanks.

    The French are already opening bases in the Persian Gulf. Do you think we’re too stupid to recognize the early signs of colonialism?

    So should I now accuse the USA of colonialism? And even the frenchies do know better. Algeria is still a vivid memory for them.

    Even more importantly, do you think the Arabs are too stupid to recognize the early signs of colonialism?

    Tell me, it´s your country trying it right now.

    Yes, I’m sure they’ll stand by while you invade their countries again.

    Again: Why should we? Africa´s a (sorry) shithole without any benefits at all, opening shop there would cost more than the potential benefits might be worth. Asia is either in Russia´s or China´s sphere and no one´s interested to get them in. Besides, again, why should we go in there? The costs outweight the benefits.

    And millions of insurgents in places like Indochina, Algeria, Rhodesia, Mozambique, Angola, Kenya, Malaysia, Namibia, etc. etc. etc.

    What ended the british empire and later the french colonies? Right, WWII. Without that massive burden and the strain on their economies, we´d still have a british empire and french colonies today.

    But hey, why pay attention to them when it’s so much easier to thump your chest and exalt the all-mighty, all-perfect, all-just, all-good Quasi-United Nations of Europe?

    These are your words. They quite well speak for your delusions. I´m more for the reality. And the reality is that the EU already is a major player on the international level. The sheer mass of both economical and military power at it´s disposal basically dictace that.

    After all, the peoples that invented the fall of the Roman Empire, the trans-Atlantic slave trade AND the Holocaust are sacred, blameless peoples incapable of wrongdoing and transcending all criticism.

    You know, I never said it´s perfect. Besides, teh fall of rome wasn´t “invented” andharping about slavery when the USA had quite a bad record about that, too, isn´t really smart.

    Yes, I’m sure the world will welcome your renewed dominance, you pompous, weapons-supplying colonizing hypocrite butchers.

    Who said dominance? All I said is that we won´t get ourselves bullied around by anyone. Live and let live. And when someone tries something as stupid as corcer´s little theory about blackmailing the international community, give him the finger.

    You can now ramble and blather and spout irrelevancies all you want, it won´t change the very fact that the European Union is already nothing else but a superpower and will stay to be one for the foreseeable future.

    Comment by PG — March 4, 2008 @ 3:25 pm | Reply

  88. The EU is an untested conglomerate of Franco-German gunboat diplomacy over their neighbors. Its strength and its stability have yet to be tested. Thump your chest all you want in the meanwhile. When the Turks call for your aid in extricating themselves from the Kurdish quagmire, or when the Spanish-Moroccan war heats up, or when France elects a nationalist government that starts deporting every Arab in sight, THEN we’ll see how tough the EU really is. Right now, all we have is a German jingoist projecting his nationalism onto his shadow-empire.

    Comment by Sisyphus — March 4, 2008 @ 3:45 pm | Reply

  89. The EU is an untested conglomerate of Franco-German gunboat diplomacy over their neighbors.

    Funnily, everyone is free to leave. And when the movement was started, there was *no* germna military at all and the frenchies were busy trying to hold their colonies together. So that theory of yours falls flat on it´s ass. Try again.

    Its strength and its stability have yet to be tested.

    It has already survived more crisises than most other nations or similar bodies in history. Fact.

    Thump your chest all you want in the meanwhile.

    Deny reality all you want in the meanwhile.

    When the Turks call for your aid in extricating themselves from the Kurdish quagmire,

    …they will be told that they should have consulted the EU when they went in. We´re not supporting loose cannons. We support members defending themselves against incursions from outside. So if the PKK start a counter-offensive into Turkey, then you could see an intervention. By kicking them back over the border. Turkey can go terrorist-hunting in northern iraq all it´wants, not our business.

    or when the Spanish-Moroccan war heats up

    What war? Illegal immigration doesn´t equal a freakin war.

    or when France elects a nationalist government that starts deporting every Arab in sight

    Which is about as likely as George Bush being a woman.

    Right now, all we have is a German jingoist projecting his nationalism onto his shadow-empire.

    The EU isn´t an empire you moron. It never had and likely never will have any imperial ambitions. Hell, we are already a superpower, what´s there more to want?

    And I won´t even begin about you jingoist and your shadow-empire. I also won´t begin about how your country seems to have the license on quagmires right now.

    But I will point out that you simply ignored most of my points in lieu ofposting a paragraph of baffling that´s simply telling the same as your last comment. The only explanation for this is that you´re unable or unwilling to answer those points. Concession accepted!

    Comment by PG — March 4, 2008 @ 4:29 pm | Reply

  90. “Funnily, everyone is free to leave.”

    Sure, until they try. Then the Wehrmacht/Bundswehr/whatever you call your Fascist military these days rolls in.

    “And when the movement was started, there was *no* germna military at all and the frenchies were busy trying to hold their colonies together. So that theory of yours falls flat on it´s ass. Try again.”

    The EU’s only existed for the last 10 years or so. The EEC doesn’t count. Neither does the Maastricht treaty. Develop honesty. It’s an attractive characteristic.

    “It has already survived more crisises than most other nations or similar bodies in history. Fact.”

    ROFL

    “…they will be told that they should have consulted the EU when they went in. We´re not supporting loose cannons. We support members defending themselves against incursions from outside. So if the PKK start a counter-offensive into Turkey, then you could see an intervention. By kicking them back over the border. Turkey can go terrorist-hunting in northern iraq all it´wants, not our business.”

    You’re so remarkably naive, I can’t believe you seriously think you can carry on a rational discussion with anyone over the age of 10.

    “What war? Illegal immigration doesn´t equal a freakin war.”

    And neither did Hitler doing his best Charlie Chaplin impersonation, but look at where things end up sometimes.

    “Which is about as likely as George Bush being a woman.”

    Not really. Europe is on the cusp of nationalistic backlashes against the Islamist populations. Deny reality all you want. You Europeans are good at that.

    “The EU isn´t an empire you moron. It never had and likely never will have any imperial ambitions. Hell, we are already a superpower, what´s there more to want? ”

    Unity. Cohesion. Something other than paper-tiger strength.

    “But I will point out that you simply ignored most of my points in lieu ofposting a paragraph of baffling that´s simply telling the same as your last comment. The only explanation for this is that you´re unable or unwilling to answer those points. Concession accepted!”

    It’s hard to concede to someone whose only point consists of “US Bad! Germany good! US weak! EU strong!” You espouse the very jingoism you purport to decry in others, you hypocrite.

    Way to dodge my point about Franco-Belgian involvement in Africa, BTW. Colonialism is alive and well, and don’t think that people down there aren’t aware of it. The blood of 600,000 Tutsis stains the hands of your Frenchy buddies. It’s a proven historical fact that they were deploying paratroopers to support the Habyarimana regime against the RPF. It’s a proven historical fact that the French government set up the “Zone Turquoise” in the southwest of Rwanda at the height of the killings to allow the Hutu leadership to escape into Zaire. What’s unclear is who provided the Hutu power movement with the missiles to shoot Habyarimana’s plane down- was it the French, the Belgians, or the British? In any case, your good EU friends. Portions of your “super” power. Your fellow moralists. What have your French co-nationalists done about Chad, by the way? How about the Central African Republic? Other than meddle in other nations’ sovereignty, that is.

    BTW, your point about the international slave trade was functionally worthless. America abolished its slave trade within 20 years of its foundation (1808). We had the issue of slavery, inherited from the British, but after some killings we resolved it. The Portuguese colonies didn’t do away with slavery until the 1880s. The Belgian “anti-slavery” colony of Congo set slavery back up until 1914, and the Germans adopted the practice as late as 1945.

    Comment by Sisyphus — March 4, 2008 @ 4:51 pm | Reply

  91. Sure, until they try. Then the Wehrmacht/Bundswehr/whatever you call your Fascist military these days rolls in.

    Yeah, right. The BW being fascist would first require the government to be fascist, which would pretty much outlaw our EU membership. So much for this little insanity. Besides, that would likely spawn another inter-european war, something all on the continent really have had enough times. Hell, that was the whole point about the EG and then the EU.

    The EU’s only existed for the last 10 years or so. The EEC doesn’t count. Neither does the Maastricht treaty. Develop honesty. It’s an attractive characteristic.

    Develop the ability to read. The movement that led to the EU is quite a bit older than the Union itself.

    ROFL

    Tell me, how many constitution crisises did your country have and survive in the last decade?

    You’re so remarkably naive, I can’t believe you seriously think you can carry on a rational discussion with anyone over the age of 10.

    Coming from you, that really made me laugh.

    And neither did Hitler doing his best Charlie Chaplin impersonation, but look at where things end up sometimes.

    …WTF? That´s about as far off the mark as it can go.

    Not really. Europe is on the cusp of nationalistic backlashes against the Islamist populations. Deny reality all you want. You Europeans are good at that.

    Who´s sitting across the pond, you or me? I´m yet to see any major backlashes, let alone nationalistic ones. Your pulling all that stuff outta your ass.

    Unity. Cohesion. Something other than paper-tiger strength.

    Everything able to blow mainland US to smithereens in the space of a few hours ain´t a paper tiger, idiot. And diversity is a strengt btw.

    It’s hard to concede to someone whose only point consists of “US Bad! Germany good! US weak! EU strong!” You espouse the very jingoism you purport to decry in others, you hypocrite.

    In other words, you can´t/don´t want to answer the points. Concession acceppted again!

    PS: Where the hell did I talk about the US being “weak” or “bad”? In your imagination it seems…

    Way to dodge my point about Franco-Belgian involvement in Africa, BTW. Colonialism is alive and well, and don’t think that people down there aren’t aware of it.

    Now, show me what the french and belgians actively occupying those countries 100%, then your point might have some credit. Otherwise, it´s just the usual rubbish.

    The blood of 600,000 Tutsis stains the hands of your Frenchy buddies. It’s a proven historical fact that they were deploying paratroopers to support the Habyarimana regime against the RPF.

    And what? It´s not like any other western power hasn´t done similar shit. Including your oh-so-morally-superior USA.

    BTW, your point about the international slave trade was functionally worthless. America abolished its slave trade within 20 years of its foundation (1808). We had the issue of slavery, inherited from the British, but after some killings we resolved it. The Portuguese colonies didn’t do away with slavery until the 1880s. The Belgian “anti-slavery” colony of Congo set slavery back up until 1914, and the Germans adopted the practice as late as 1945.

    It just needed a civil war. And pointing out that others have done it, too, doesn´t change the fact that you have done it. In a democracy. That´s gotta be some kinda record.

    And hey, you´re yet to bring up anything to prove that the EU is NOT a major global power. I´m still waiting for that.

    Comment by PG — March 4, 2008 @ 5:46 pm | Reply

  92. Watching Sisyphus and PG go at it is like watching a gladiator fight.

    Comment by Elephant Bones — March 4, 2008 @ 7:25 pm | Reply

  93. Except Sisyphus kinda fights like SUPERCOOLWILLOW. Well, except SCW believes in the thing called love.

    Income tax has only been around since 1913.

    I thought Lincoln had actually enacted taxes to fund the Union? And then everyone just sorta got used to it.

    Sales tax is worse, however. See, 8.25% may not seem like much, but count every single purchase you make through the year. Income tax only sounds bigger.

    Comment by Dio Brando — March 4, 2008 @ 8:14 pm | Reply

  94. Dio has a very good point. If you were to take the time to sit down and figure out your purchases over an entire year then figure what the tax was on those purchases, the total would shock you. Then you add on top of that, property tax, school tax, many states like this one (PA) have local taxes and munincipality taxes and even a tax that no one will explain (around here it’s Berkheimer Tax whatever the hell Berkheimer is supposed to be) and we have a “Right to work” tax that we have to pay at the beginning of every year, I call that one the “Right to pay taxes tax”.

    Now I forget exactly what it was we were trying to get away from when we declared our independence and threw all that tea in Boston Harbor, but for some reason all this talk about tax brings back memories of those incidents.

    Comment by The One — March 4, 2008 @ 8:44 pm | Reply

  95. That would be the Stamp Act, Uno.

    Comment by Elephant Bones — March 4, 2008 @ 9:49 pm | Reply

  96. Quite honestly, I -love- income tax, but only because I claim 0. It’s fun getting back a decent stash of money, and always tends to hit when really good games come out. Sales tax can go burn, seriously. Unlike income tax, there’s never a refund on it. It exists to simply drain your funds without you even thinking much of it.

    Comment by Dio Brando — March 4, 2008 @ 11:33 pm | Reply

  97. Yeah, actually I knew that, EB.😀

    Comment by The One — March 5, 2008 @ 7:02 am | Reply

  98. No new answer from sissi in days. Guess that means it´s pver.

    I WIN!

    Comment by PG — March 6, 2008 @ 9:05 am | Reply

  99. “If you were to take the time to sit down and figure out your purchases over an entire year then figure what the tax was on those purchases, the total would shock you. Then you add on top of that, property tax, school tax, many states like this one (PA) have local taxes and munincipality taxes and even a tax that no one will explain (around here it’s Berkheimer Tax whatever the hell Berkheimer is supposed to be) and we have a “Right to work” tax that we have to pay at the beginning of every year, I call that one the “Right to pay taxes tax”.”

    Federal income tax: Federal.
    Sales tax: State tax.
    Additional sales tax above what your state charges: Local community tax.
    Property tax: State tax.
    School tax: Local (district) tax.
    Every other tax you just mentioned: Either state or local.

    Reason$ you just gave me never to move to Pennsylvania: Plenty.

    Again, get rid of everything except sales tax, and no one will bat an eye. Especially if we do like Europe (and our own gas companies) and have tax included in the price listings everywhere. Sales tax on gas is already at 26%. We just never notice because it’s not explicitly stated at the station.

    And just FYI, the added sales tax will probably only add up to the same amount the upper crust (read: the fat cats who just sit around collecting interest on their stock investments and don’t actually WORK for a living) was paying anyway.

    As to the Civil War thing: You’re right, but not entirely. From Wikipedia:

    “The U.S. income tax was first proposed during the War of 1812, but was defeated. In July 1861, the Congress passed a 3% tax on all net income above $600 a year (about USD 10,000 today). Income taxes were enacted at various times until 1894, but were not imposed after 1895 when an 1894 tax act was found to be unconstitutional. In response, the 16th Amendment was ratified in 1913.”

    “The governor of New York, Charles Evans Hughes, who a few years later became a Supreme Court justice, opposed the income tax amendment because he believed “from whatever source derived” implied that passage would confer the federal government with the power to tax state and municipal bonds and thus excessively centralize government power.”

    And this was back when federal income tax was a flat 1% of your income!

    Comment by L — March 7, 2008 @ 9:59 am | Reply

  100. And delivering the knockout punch is L, with her research and objective logic!

    Comment by Elephant Bones — March 8, 2008 @ 11:36 pm | Reply

  101. What can I say? I’m a logic person. Like Mr Spock, without the ears. ;P

    Comment by L — March 12, 2008 @ 3:00 pm | Reply


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