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August 30, 2007

Is Mormonism Christian?

Filed under: Christianity,Faith,Idiocy,Mormonism — Psycheout @ 8:05 pm

The Book of MormonEarlier today I noticed a post on Hot Air that linked to an Olbermann Watch post in which the author seemed all hot under the collar that someone would be allowed to state the very obvious fact that Mitt Romney is not a Christian.

Wednesday night, leftist Ana Marie Cox was his guest, and she proceeded to pass judgment on the Christianity of Mitt Romney.

Hmmm. Mitt Romney is not a Christian. He’s a Mormon. So what’s the big deal? Whether one is Mormon or not or Christian or not isn’t really that important in this case. Mormonism isn’t Christian. Romney is a Mormon. Therefore Romney is not a Christian. So what?

I suggest that confused readers see Is Mormonism Christian? to gain an understanding of the underlying truth.

The reason Mormonism is not Christian is because it denies one or more of the essential doctrines of Christianity. Of the essential doctrines (that there is only one God, Jesus is God in flesh, forgiveness of sins is by grace alone, and Jesus rose from the dead physically, the gospel being the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus), Mormonism denies three of them: how many gods there are, the person of Jesus, and His work of salvation.

And how else does Mormonism differ from Christianity?

Mormon theology teaches that god is only one of countless gods, that he used to be a man on another planet, that he became a god by following the laws and ordinances of that god on that world, and that he brought one of his wives to this world with whom he produces spirit children who then inhabit human bodies at birth. The first spirit child to be born was Jesus. Second was Satan, and then we all followed.

Aside: this sounds suspiciously like Scientology.

But, the Bible says that there is only one God (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8; 45:5), that God has eternally been God (Psalm 90:2) — which means he was never a man on another planet. Since the Bible denies the existence of other gods (and goddesses), the idea that Jesus is the product of a god and goddess couple is rejected. The Bible tells us that Jesus The Jesus of Mormonism is definitely not the same Jesus of the Bible. Therefore, faith in the Mormon Jesus, is faith misplaced because the Mormon Jesus doesn’t exist.

And frankly, this would be blasphemous for a Christian:

Mormonism teaches that the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross itself (and receiving it by faith) is not sufficient to bring forgiveness of sins. It teaches that the forgiveness of sins is obtained though a cooperative effort with God; that is, we must be good and follow the laws and ordinances of the Mormon church in order to obtain forgiveness.

I am saved because I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior. He died on the cross so that I could be forgiven of my sins. My personal relationship with G-d is all I need. The idea that I have to belong to a church that is less than 200 years old to obtain forgiveness from Him is an idea that’s out of this world. Literally.

Mormons are free to believe what they wish, but conflating Mormonism and Christianity is wrong. Is Buddhism Christian? Is Wicca? No. And neither is polytheistic Mormonism.

Let’s cut to the conclusion:

Why is Mormonism a non Christian religion? It is not Christian because it denies that there is only one God, denies the true Gospel, adds works to salvation, denies that Jesus is the uncreated creator, distorts the biblical teaching of the atonement, and undermines the authority and reliability of the Bible.

And furthermore:

Becoming a Christian does not mean belonging to a church, doing good things, or simply believing in God. Being a Christian means that you have trusted in the true God for salvation, in the True Jesus — not the brother of the devil, not the god of Mormonism, not the gospel of Mormonism. Mormonism is false and cannot save anyone.

NOTE: This is not an attack on Mormons, just a simple clarification of the facts. Mormons can be very nice people. They are simply not Christians. And neither is Mitt Romney. And this has little bearing on his fitness for the Presidency anyway. There are many reasons not to support Mittens that have nothing to do with his faith.

Olbermann Watch is free to attack Keith Olbermann all they want. Let’s face it: he deserves it. But the linked post was a ridiculous stretch.

See also: Another Is Mormonism Christian?

Update: A quick overview of Mormon theology. This may surprise you.

Update 2: If you have an hour and would like to delve in deeper, watch this documentary: The Bible vs. The Book of Mormon. It’s very interesting for those who don’t know much about the Mormon faith. The documentary demonstrates that there is ample evidence for The Holy Bible and none for The Book of Mormon. None until Joseph Smith read the golden plates which nobody has ever seen.

I really do pray for my Mormon bretheren, for their false prophet and even they are accursed.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

And in John 14:6 the message of Jesus is clear:

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Not surprisingly, Christ says nothing about Joseph Smith, who is obviously a pretender and a false prophet.

Update 3: If you’re in the mood for debunking false religions, you might want to check out a 30 minute documentary on Scientology. It’s a cult, no doubt about it. See Scientology and Me. It’s amazing what some people will believe: really bad science fiction as religion.

Update 4: The Independent Conservative is a little more blunt about it than me: Does Mitt Romney Wear Magic Mormon Underpants?

— Psycheout

46 Comments »

  1. Interesting animated video. Where did it come from?

    Comment by XENU TV — August 30, 2007 @ 11:41 pm | Reply

  2. Does Brownback himself know you’re actually posting this bigoted crap? Didn’t he tell his campaign volunteers to knock off the attacks on Mormons? Didn’t you get the memo? Or are you so full of hate you just don’t care?

    [Ed Note: Did you even bother to read the post? Did you take the time to watch the videos? Get real and grow up. Try watching this about polygamy and then come back and criticize Psycheout for having reservations about the false Mormon religion.]

    Comment by WasatchMan — August 31, 2007 @ 12:55 am | Reply

  3. I do not need Senator Brownback’s permission to spread the truth and the Word of G-d, WasatchMan. Do you even know anything about Mormonism? Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior? If not, you are not saved. Read the Bible. Joseph Smith was a liar and a false prophet.

    Isaiah 40:8

    The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

    Comment by Psycheout — August 31, 2007 @ 2:35 am | Reply

  4. “And this has little bearing on his fitness for the Presidency anyway.”

    Then why have this post at all on a blogs4brownback website?

    Comment by njuakali — August 31, 2007 @ 6:17 am | Reply

  5. Dear Brother Psycheout,

    Even though I am at odds as to whom to support in the 2008 race, I do feel that Sam Brownback is the superior candidate to the likes of one Mormon Multi-Wife Mitt. The very last thing this country needs is a many with more wives than members of a Presidential Cabinet running around the White House.

    YIC,

    Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett
    Republican, Christian, Loyal Friend

    Comment by Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett — August 31, 2007 @ 6:42 am | Reply

  6. Did you guys see the news about Senator Craig being setup by the liberal media? Is anybody investigating that officer from Minneapolis?

    Comment by Harry — August 31, 2007 @ 8:00 am | Reply

  7. Polygamy is an excommunicable offense in the LDS church. Therefore, when you use polygamy to attack modern Mormons, you’re only making yourself look stupid.

    Comment by Salmo — August 31, 2007 @ 8:25 am | Reply

    • Actually that’s not true. D&C section 132 has not been removed from BoM and men still practice spiritual polygamy. So no we aren’t how did you put it…stupid. Actually it was a misrepresented statement that you made. If a man’s wife dies in Mormonism that he has already been sealed in the temple to for eternity then he is free to marry in the temple again to a different woman thus sealing himself for eternity to another woman. That is spiritual polygamy and if it is reversed and the man dies that the woman is sealed to she is not allowed to marry again in the temple. Men in LDS still today practice spiritual polygamy.

      Comment by WiseOne — June 5, 2011 @ 5:15 pm | Reply

  8. I have been warning people about mormonism not being christian for a while. People think its just a quirky sect, but its far more dangerous than that because it undermines christianity as stated above. Romney by definition is not christian because of what he believes, but where the piece does not go far enough is where mormons also believe they can become gods themselves. And so the question is, what does Romney believe he must do to become like Joseph Smith or Brigham Young and what role does being President play?

    Comment by Pablo Zed — August 31, 2007 @ 8:28 am | Reply

  9. One thing I’ve learned; if I want to get good information about a candidate I go to HIS or HER website. If I want good information about a car I’m purchasing I go to the manufacturer. If I want to learn about a religion I go to authorized people or books.

    If someone is trying to tell me “BAD” things about a competitor, ie. candidate, car, religion I immediately become suspect of the person and their motivation.

    Psycheout- Who made you the official judge of Christianity? Did Jesus put you in charge of deciding who He accepts as followers?

    In my Bible it states: Luke 6:37 “Judge not that ye be not judged” Romans 2:1 “wherin thou judge another thou condemnest thyself.”

    Comment by Religious and Right — August 31, 2007 @ 10:16 am | Reply

  10. To be fair, Luke was only saying to be careful about your judging. If you judge rashly and poorly, you will yourself be judged thus. Since these guys are absolutely convinced they’re right, they think it doesn’t apply to them, despite the fact that they’re exactly what Luke was talking about.

    Comment by Salmo — August 31, 2007 @ 10:27 am | Reply

  11. Since polygamy was one of the tenets of the Mormon faith set down by the prophet Joseph Smith himself, a fundamental question comes to mind: if Joseph Smith was indeed a prophet and was correct, the LDS has lost its way and is no longer leading its members down the righteous path to their salvation. If Joseph Smith was wrong about polygamy, what else was he wrong about?

    If LDS is leading its membership away from Jesus Christ, bringing the issue up is an act of love.

    Comment by Psycheout — August 31, 2007 @ 11:29 am | Reply

  12. http://www.lds.org/portal/site/LDSOrg

    “It should be noted here that the LDS doctrine of deification is often misrepresented. Despite what our critics claim, the Latter-day Saints do not believe that human beings will ever become the equals of God, or be independent of God, or that they will ever cease to be subordinate to God. For Latter-day Saints, to become gods means to overcome the world through the atonement of Christ (1 Jn. 5:4-5; Rev. 2:7, 11). Thus we become heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ (Rom. 8:17; Gal. 4:7) and will inherit all things just as Christ inherits all things (1 Cor. 3:21-23; Revelation 21:?). There are no limitations on these scriptural declarations; we shall inherit all things-including the power to create and to beget. In that glorified state we shall look like our Savior (1 Jn. 3:2; 1 Cor. 15:49; 2 Cor. 3:18) we shall receive his glory and be one with him and with the Father (John 17:21-23; Philip. 3:21). Sitting with God upon the throne of God, we shall rule over all things (Luke 12:44; Rev. 3:21 ).”

    Comment by pfcg — August 31, 2007 @ 12:19 pm | Reply

  13. I have never seen such idiotic statements offered in the name of Christianity. Psycheout, I appreciate all you are doing for the cause of truth. Your idiotic reasoning and spouting off about things you no nothing about are a godsend for those who seek, by the Spirit, to come to a knowledge of truth.

    Brother Romney is fortunate to have you out there blasting away. We will expose the desires of your heart and mind to the bright light of gospel truth and let the chips fall where they may.

    Where in the world do you people come up with the insane ideas for these little fairy tales that you present as truth. I know by the Spirit of Truth that Jesus is the Christ and that his work will be accomplished by those who KNOW him, and you my dear friend, are lost.

    I have not ever, nor ever do expect to hear a member of the LATTER DAY SAINTS demonize ANY other branch of Christianity. If you know so much about our beliefs, than read our articles of faith and show me how we are wrong,IN ANY WAY!

    Comment by Daniel Garland Wright — August 31, 2007 @ 1:26 pm | Reply

  14. I feel the need to apologize for the harshness of the above remarks. I certainly was not showing the love and patience that our master, Christ, showed with people who misunderstood him and his message. Members of our faith usually refrain from responding, so pointedly, to misrepresentations of our faith.

    Patience when dealing with little babe’s in understanding of eternal truths. I’m sure you feel this way about us too. Continue your campaign. I am thankful that we are not judged unjustly, and that God alone knows our hearts and judges in righteousness.

    Comment by Daniel Garland Wright — August 31, 2007 @ 2:05 pm | Reply

  15. All responses and viewpoints are welcome here, Daniel.

    Did you watch the documentary The Bible vs. The Book of Mormon? It’s quite interesting.

    Comment by Psycheout — August 31, 2007 @ 2:36 pm | Reply

  16. No, I must of missed that one. I try to catch all of the things that are being presented, but there are so many books, articles, movies, and documentaries coming out now that it’s hard to keep up.

    Brother Romney’s quest for the POTUS has certainly brought us appreciated exposure. The rest of Christianity and those of other belief systems need the opportunity to hear the message of the restoration, and I have enjoyed communicating with lots of folks on these blogs.

    Try some of the material being presented by the Latter Day Saints, along with the rest of the mix, and let me know how you feel about them.

    Comment by Daniel Garland Wright — August 31, 2007 @ 3:44 pm | Reply

  17. If you are interested in knowing more about Mormons, ask the mormons. They know what they believe more than anyone else. http://www.lds.org is their official website. Get it straight from the horses mouth instead of relying on half truths and opinions of writers who don’t understand the religion.
    As a side note- Brownback’s jabs at Romney’s religion are pretty pathetic. Whether you endorse Governor Romney’s candidacy or not, we should all be united in our conviction that neither his church nor that of any other candidate for office should be regarded as an issue in the election, in accordance with the explicit guidance of Article VI of the Constitution, that “no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.” That statement is an admonition to all of the nation’s citizens to demand in candidates for office all manner of qualification but none based on religion.

    Comment by JAMAL D. — August 31, 2007 @ 3:44 pm | Reply

  18. The “no religious test” does not apply to voters. The electorate can make any decision they want for whatever reason they want.

    Nobody’s keeping Brother Mittens from running, silly.

    Comment by Psycheout — August 31, 2007 @ 5:32 pm | Reply

  19. Have all of you investigated Scientology? Perhaps they might be the religion for you. Don’t believe what you read about them being a cult or anything. Ask the Scientologists themselves, and not people with objective viewpoints.

    Comment by Psycheout — August 31, 2007 @ 5:35 pm | Reply

  20. I agree that no religious test can be required to RUN for office and I also agree that the electorate can use whatever yardstick they want to in deciding who gets their vote.

    I am very comfortable with this fact. We are not a free people if we deny the freedom to choose the critera for forming our opinions. That’s the way it’s supposed to work.

    Psycheout: As far as Scientology goes– I will take the bait– no I haven’t considered them and have no reason too. I belong to the Lord’s church, and I’m sure you’ve heard us proclaim, { The only true and living church on earth}. Thanks for the offer though.

    Comment by Daniel Garland Wright — August 31, 2007 @ 6:45 pm | Reply

  21. The idea that I have to belong to a church that is less than 200 years old to obtain forgiveness from Him is an idea that’s out of this world. Literally.

    It is no stranger or arrogant than someone claiming that some mythological figure saved them.

    Comment by Jack — August 31, 2007 @ 10:08 pm | Reply

  22. What fascist right wing nazi arian Brownback supporting a-hole altered my post in the Ron Paul thread?

    Vote Ron Paul. White Power!

    Comment by spacebrother — August 31, 2007 @ 11:13 pm | Reply

  23. didn’t jacob in the bible have multiple wives?

    Comment by Joe — August 31, 2007 @ 11:42 pm | Reply

  24. post #21 The Lord will forgive anyone who repents of the sins they committ and serve him faithfully until the end.
    I don’t remember the age of the church being a part of the process. I don’t view Christ as being a mythological figure, but everyone to their own belief.

    post #23 Yes, and through those wifes came the 12 tribes of Israel. Judah- the tribe the Savior belonged to is one of Jacob, or Israel’s sons.

    Comment by Daniel Garland Wright — September 1, 2007 @ 7:45 am | Reply

  25. Didn’t all this silliness about multiple gods die out centuries ago except for the kids who watch Skeletor? Mormonism doesn’t sound like a religion, it sounds like mythology with fund rausing.

    Comment by Ann O'Maly — September 1, 2007 @ 7:48 am | Reply

  26. Ann- Welcome to the discussion. Hope you learn and enjoy with the rest of us. First, read Genesis 1:26.
    God was obiviously addressing someone when He stated [ Let US make man in OUR image]. He was speaking to the spirits that were with him.

    Next, in Genesis 3:5 we have the serpent telling Eve that by transgressing she can be as gods( small g ) knowing good and evil.
    By this means, sin ( which results in death ) was introduced into the world and we could be tested to see if we would qualify for that honor. A lot more about this entire chain of events can be learned by speaking with the Missionaries from our church. I will leave it there unless you have a comment or question that I could share our understanding of with you.

    Ann, can I ask you what sounds like mythology concerning the beliefs of Latter Day Saints? And what fund raising are you speaking about?

    Comment by Daniel Garland Wright — September 1, 2007 @ 5:51 pm | Reply

  27. The Brownback supporters who run this blog don’t are’nt real christains.

    COMMANDMENT #9 – Thou shalt not bear false witness

    Because I suggest voting for white separatist Ron Paul instead of child loving, homosexual, war, corporate, anti-life, anti-black, anti-semetic, anti-JESUS supporting Brownback, they alter my posts. Sisyphus, Psychout or whoever the heck runs this blog are hyporits who break the 9th commandment.

    The people who run this blog are’nt Christains, Mormans or any other supporters of the word of Jesus Christ because the bear false witness for all the posts of mine they’ve altered.

    If all Brownback supporters act in this fashion then they’ll all eat candy and ice cream right with the cretinous charlatans who run this blog.

    Comment by spacebrother — September 2, 2007 @ 3:23 am | Reply

  28. In response to people using the word mythology to downplay other religions: Hate to say it, but all religions, valid or not from any viewpoint, are encompassed under the term mythology.

    American Heritage Dictionary
    my·thol·o·gy
    n. pl. my·thol·o·gies

    1)a) A body or collection of myths belonging to a people and addressing their origin, history, deities, ancestors, and heroes.
    b)A body of myths associated with an event, individual, or institution: “A new mythology, essential to the . . . American funeral rite, has grown up” (Jessica Mitford).

    Comment by Curiouser and Curiouser — September 3, 2007 @ 7:35 am | Reply

  29. Way to embelish my posts yet again.

    Comment by Spacebrother — September 4, 2007 @ 8:34 am | Reply

  30. Heres how my post originally read.

    “The Brownback supporters who run this blog don’t are’nt real christains.

    COMMANDMENT #9 – Thou shalt not bear false witness

    Because I suggest voting for Ron Paul instead of PEDOPHILE SUPPORTING, homosexual, war, corporate, anti-life, anti-black, anti-semetic, anti-JESUS supporting Brownback, they alter my posts. Sisyphus, Psychout or whoever the heck runs this blog are hyporites who break the 9th commandment.

    The people who run this blog are’nt Christains, Mormans or any other supporters of the word of Jesus Christ because the bear false witness for all the posts of mine they’ve altered.

    If all Brownback supporters act in this fashion then they’ll all BURN IN HELL right with the cretinous charlatans who run this blog.”

    I’m going to keep reposting thne original posts and bold the words they keep altering.

    Comment by Spacebrother — September 4, 2007 @ 8:38 am | Reply

  31. Isn’t Mormonism American as apple pie? SO what’s the problem ethnophobes?

    Comment by Mauro Andres — September 5, 2007 @ 9:17 pm | Reply

  32. K, I sat through the second flick and man was it interesting.

    Fallacy one:
    Interesting but disproving one religious system does not prove another.

    Fallacy two:
    Also, just because the places mentioned in the bible exist/ed does not prove any religion associated with it is correct. In both these cases, the argument of the documentary can just as well be that Judaism is the one true religion that we should all covert to.

    Fallacy three:
    Just because you have educated people saying that Jesus was a historical figure does not legitimize or prove all the religious connotations and beliefs that go along with the religious figure. Meaning, just because the man was a historical figure does not mean he was God.

    Listen and learn …
    When the bible is mentioned as a historical document, it’s hagiographcal (sometimes called salvation history) not historiographical. Both contain historical figures and locations, but only the latter is history as we understand it in modern day. I’ll even say this, historiography didn’t come about till the Renaissance, therefore because the bible predates the Renaissance, the bible can’t possibly be a historical document (as we presently understand the term). If the scientists presented in the film are worth the weight of their degrees, they’ll know what I mean.

    Really, get educated guys. Take some classes on making good arguments, philosophy, and just read academic material rather pseudo-academic/scientific material. Or just crack an academic book every once in while.

    Repeat after me, “I’m gonna get me edumacated someday real soon!!”.

    Still, your post did remind me of my hick province. Made me feel like I was home. Thanks.

    Comment by Mauro Andres — September 5, 2007 @ 11:26 pm | Reply

  33. Oh, and at the end of the day, people can believe what they want. And they don’t need scientific proof to do so. What’s that word? A little word called “faith”, which can –in at least one instance– be translated as “blind hope”. I can have faith that if I put my right foot out first after getting out of bed it’s going to be a good day. So what does science or history have to do with this belief? Nothing. So you don’t gain anything with using science to disprove someone else’s religion. Of course, if the movement has ill sociological ramifications, then it should be talked about. But leave people alone to believe what they want.

    Personally, I don’t see how Mormon’s could be an evil cult. 7th Day Adventists, well I’d like to see something on them.

    And don’t touch my posts!!!

    Comment by Mauro Andres — September 5, 2007 @ 11:37 pm | Reply

  34. Foxnews text poll from last nights debate.

    Ron Paul 33%
    Brownback 1%

    Comment by spacebrother — September 6, 2007 @ 2:37 pm | Reply

  35. Are there any Mormons for Brownback? I know there are Mormons for Paul.

    Comment by Paul Eres — September 6, 2007 @ 11:06 pm | Reply

  36. […] a social conservative, someone who supported the Reagan revolution, and a Christian rather than a Mormon.  So I’m not sure if these whisperings are true or not or if it’s just a liberal media […]

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  37. […] sucking airtime away from valid candidates; Romney, who wears magical underpants and worships a phony deity masqueraded as Our Lord; and Huckabee, who talks the talk but doesn’t walk the walk. […]

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  40. So where the hell (no pun intended …hahahaa) is Brownback now?

    Comment by dan — November 12, 2007 @ 10:55 am | Reply

  41. Mormons are not Christian and neither was Christ and His followers, if the Trinitarian standard is imposed. The Trinitarian movement is a fourth century idea and denies what Christ and His apostles taught and the Christians of that day believed. To associate early Christianity with the barbarian Constantine and his political machinations is deceptive.

    Comment by JLF — November 12, 2007 @ 12:01 pm | Reply

  42. […] he tries to allay fears about belonging to the Mormon church, which many evangelicals believe is not Christian.  Mitt’s cheering fan club will cautiously say that this is a good idea and that Romney has […]

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  43. Every scholar knows damn well that the parts of Josephus that purport to mention Jesus were medieval forgeries.

    Comment by r4d20 — December 4, 2007 @ 1:54 pm | Reply

  44. Brother Psycheout wrote:

    “Since polygamy was one of the tenets of the Mormon faith set down by the prophet Joseph Smith himself, a fundamental question comes to mind: if Joseph Smith was indeed a prophet and was correct, the LDS has lost its way and is no longer leading its members down the righteous path to their salvation. If Joseph Smith was wrong about polygamy, what else was he wrong about?”

    Right on, brother! If any document of faith says one thing yet the followers do the opposite, then either the faithful have lost their way or the entire document can be called into question. Hallalujah! My feelings exactly because I want to own slaves! The Bible says I can, but we have laws that say we cannot. So either we are wrong or the entire Bible must be questioned. Well, I know that it cannot be the latter, so it must be the former! Brother Psycheout, can I purchase you to be my slave?

    Comment by GodisOne — December 4, 2007 @ 4:11 pm | Reply

  45. I’ll sell him to you. He loves speaking for groups he’s not a part of, so it’s the least I can do to return the favor.

    I’ll open the bargaining table at $30.

    Comment by Elephant Bones — December 4, 2007 @ 4:32 pm | Reply


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