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August 18, 2007

FairTax.org Not About Fair Play

Filed under: Election 2008,Mike Huckabee,Shenanigans — Psycheout @ 6:49 pm

RATThe surprise second place showing in the Ames, Iowa Straw Poll by Hope, Arkansas (home of Billy Jeff Clinton) Governor Mike Huckabee was lauded throughout the MSM and the blogosphere.

“Wow, Huckabee did really well at Ames despite not spending as much money as Romney and Brownback! Brownback’s done! Not so fast. Huckabee got high with a little help from his friends.

In the first place, “religious conservatives” do not appear to be lining up behind Huckabee – Huckabee’s second-place finish was entirely due to the fact that the folks from FairTax.org, who bought 1,000 tickets which went almost exclusively to Huckabee. The FairTaxers brag about this on their website here. Without those votes, Huckabee would have finished behind Tom Tancredo, and barely ahead of Ron Paul.

The FairTaxers, on their own website brag:

FairTax.org made history on Saturday, August 11. Our grassroots efforts in Iowa made the FairTax the deciding issue in Iowa’s Straw Poll. We did it! Three out of the top five finishers were FairTax supporters….

And who were three of the top five? Huckster, Tacredoborder and Paulunatic. So bully for them!

They even heart Mike Gravel, the Democrat wackjob that only potsmokers could love:

We continue to thank Mike Huckabee, Tom Tancredo, Mike Gravel, Duncan Hunter, John McCain, Ron Paul, John Cox and Fred Thompson (yes, it is true!) for their continued support of the FairTax.

Without those 1,000 votes bought and paid for by the “Fair Tax” people, Huckabee would not have been the big story. He would have been a footnote. Without even half of them Huck would have been history. Not even a blip on the radar. Huckstory.

I smell a rat.

Have a great weekend, Brownbackers! And keep the faith.

— Psycheout

16 Comments »

  1. This blog is obviously a Ron Paul support blog in disguise. No Brownback supporter could be this stupid.

    [Ed Note: Obviously! Smart, Strong, Sure.]

    Comment by Monkton Toohey — August 18, 2007 @ 8:13 pm | Reply

  2. Sounds like a cry baby to me.

    [Ed Note: Great argument, John. Boo hoo.]

    Comment by John — August 18, 2007 @ 8:19 pm | Reply

  3. Fair Tax is a force to be recognized. They have been many opportunities for Sen. Brownback to endorse the Fair Tax plan but only Gov. Huckabee has been an adamant and well spoken supporter. Does it surprise the Brownback campaign that could get 6000-8000 to Columbia SC for the Republican debate could also get 1000+ people to Ames?

    Disclosure: I am a Fair Taxer and therefore an ardent Huckabee supporter.

    Comment by Warren Sloane — August 18, 2007 @ 8:37 pm | Reply

  4. Huckabee is an adroit public speaker. He communicates his message in life-like, cogent terms, with compelling examples like the story he told (at the Ames Straw Poll) of what his then-11-yo daughter entered into the “Comments” section of a Visitors Book after visiting the Yad Vashem holocaust museum: “Why didn’t somebody do something?”

    Very effective. Huckabee is all about calling his listeners to “do something,” to awaken them to their own empowerment, and summon them to action in order that “Main Street,” and not “Wall Street,” will prevail in guarding the values and beliefs upon which the Republic was founded.

    Huckabee puts his listeners at ease, and reassures them, articulating clear concepts in a natural, easy style (no doubt something well-cultivated as a pastor). He’s not angry or demanding, like a Ron Paul, nor is he as “rigidly-scripted” as Romney, and his large brown eyes peer through a humble demeanor, drawing a striking contrast to a somewhat mechanical-squinty Brownback. One can easily imagine sitting comfortably with this man over a cup of coffee at the Main Street Cafe.

    Most importantly, perhaps, Huckabee convinces many that he is ONE with the FairTax grassroots movement. While many – like Romney, and others, who are invested in the current income tax system – seek to demagog the well-researched FairTax plan, its acceptance in the professional / academic community continues to grow. Renown economist Laurence Kotlikoff believes that failure to enact the FairTax – choosing instead to try to “flatten” what he deems to be a non-flattenable income tax system – will eventuate into an irrevocable economic meltdown because of the hidden aspects of the current system that make political accountability impossible.

    Romney’s recent WEAK response to FairTax questioning on “This Week with Geo. Stephanopoulos” drew a sharper contrast between Huckabee and all other presidential front-runners who will not embrace it. Huckabee understands that what’s wrong with the income tax can’t be fixed with “a tap of the hammer, nor a twist of the screwdriver.” That his opponents cling to the destructive Tax Code, the IRS, preserving political power of granting tax favors at continued cost to – and misery of – American families, invigorates his campaign’s raison d’etre.

    Of the FairTax, Huckabee asserts that it’s…

    • SIMPLE, easy to understand
    • EFFICIENT, inexpensive to comply with and doesn’t cause less-than-optimal business decisions for tax minimization purposes
    • FAIR, FLAT, and FAMILY FRIENDLY, loophole-free, and everyone pays their share
    • LOW TAX RATE is achieved by broad base with no exclusions
    • PREDICTABLE, doesn’t change, so financial planning is possible
    • UNINTRUSIVE, doesn’t intrude into our personal affairs or limit our liberty
    • VISIBLE, not hidden from the public in tax-inflated prices or otherwise
    • PRODUCTIVE, rewards – rather than penalizes – work and productivity

    A detailed benefits analysis of the plan (from The FairTax Book) explains Huckabee’s ardent advocacy:

    FOR INDIVIDUALS:
    • No more tax on income – make as much as you wish
    • You receive your full paycheck – no more deductions
    • You pay the tax when you buy “at retail” – not “used”
    • No more double taxation (e.g. like on current Capital Gains)
    • Reduction of “pre-FairTaxed” retail prices by 20%-30%
    • Adding back 29.9% FairTax maintains current price levels
    • FairTax would constitute 23% portion of new prices
    • Every household receives a monthly check, or “pre-bate”
    • “Prebate” is “advance payback” for monthly consumption to poverty level
    • FairTax’s “prebate” ensures progressivity, poverty protection
    Finally, citizens are knowledgeable of what their tax IS
    • Elimination of “parasitic” Income Tax industry
    • NO MORE IRS. NO MORE FILING OF TAX RETURNS by individuals
    • Those possessing illicit forms of income will ALSO pay the FairTax
    • Households have more disposable income to purchase goods
    • Savings is bolstered with reduction of interest rates

    FOR BUSINESSES:
    • Corporate income and payroll taxes revoked under FairTax
    • Business compensated for collecting tax at “cash register”
    • No more tax-related lawyers, lobbyists on company payrolls
    No more embedded (hidden) income/payroll taxes in prices
    • Reduced costs. Competition – not tax policy – drives prices
    • Off-shore “tax haven” headquarters can now return to U.S
    No more “favors” from politicians at expense of taxpayers
    • Resources go to R&D and study of competition – not taxes
    • Marketplace distortions eliminated for fair competition
    • US exports increase their share of foreign markets

    FOR THE COUNTRY:
    • 7% – 13% economic growth projected in the first year of the FairTax
    Jobs return to the U.S.
    • Foreign corporations “set up shop” in the U.S.
    • Tax system trends are corrected to “enlarge the pie”
    • Larger economic “pie,” means thinner tax rate “slices”
    • Initial 23% portion of price is pressured downward as “pie”
    increases
    No more “closed door” tax deals by politicians and business
    • FairTax sets new global standard. Other countries will follow

    While passionately supporting FairTax, Huckabee understands that, if elected President, Congress will have to present the bill for his signature. His call to action goes beyond his candidacy, Main Street will have to demand that their legislators deliver the bill.

    Comment by Ian — August 18, 2007 @ 9:30 pm | Reply

  5. Thanks for the press release, Ian. FairTaxers sure are a pushy bunch.

    Comment by Psycheout — August 18, 2007 @ 11:09 pm | Reply

  6. [Ed Note: Great argument, John. Boo hoo.]
    It’s interesting that nothing like that is ever said about some of the crap arguments Psycheout and Sisyphus (or anyone else, for that matter) try to pull. Biased, editor?

    Comment by neutronnate — August 19, 2007 @ 1:32 am | Reply

  7. The editor is Psycheout, that Ron Paul fan! Look at the evidence, this blog:

    a) pushes other Brownback supporters away because it’s so hostile toward everyone and everything
    b) constantly mentions Ron Paul, makes fun of him but usually in a tongue in cheek way
    c) misrepresents Brownback, as if they don’t really know his positions

    My conclusion is that this is actually a very clever anti-Brownback pro-Paul blog. After reading it for awhile there’s no other conclusion you can make.

    Comment by Monkton Toohey — August 19, 2007 @ 3:28 am | Reply

  8. And what? Huckabee didn´t pay them, so they voted for him voluntarily. And I somewhat doubt that even half of them have voted for him. They just said it, they were there to support several candidates.

    It´s as fair as, lets say, B4B collecting a few hundred people, shipping them to a straw poll and letting them vote for Brownback. They will do it voluntarily, without getting money from Sam.

    Thus, those votes aren´t bought and thus fair and square. Your little rant about DOES sound like a baby crying because it has lost it´s candy and believes the candy´s been stolen.

    Comment by PG — August 19, 2007 @ 4:30 am | Reply

  9. […] make sure that Sam Brownback is elected President in 2008 and again in 2012. Because, Sam Brownback wouldn’t want the poor children in Public School to be taught a bunch of Liberal hooey […]

    Pingback by Sunday Morning Prayer for the children « Baptists For Brownback 2008 — August 19, 2007 @ 7:38 am | Reply

  10. The Brownback whining doesn’t fall very far from the tree. Sam Brownback didn’t come in second because he does not have what it takes to be President. He has the charisma of a stone. You folks shouldn’t be such sore losers, it just isn’t honorable. If you look at your candidates blog, all that goes on there is tearing all the other candidates down. People do not like mudslinging. Visit the Huckabee website, never a mention of another candidate. Brownback has to smear everyone else because there is no way that he can win on his own merits..

    Comment by jj — August 19, 2007 @ 5:06 pm | Reply

  11. The FairTax is a crock. No one is going to support a 23% tax on every item they buy. Not in addition to an income tax, which will not be repealed, and not in addition to 5-8% in state sales taxes and a few cents on the dollar for LOCAL sales taxes, be they county or city/town taxes (which would of course remain in place under the FairTax scheme.

    Big business will simply buy their expensive merchandise from the source – China – thus subverting the idea entirely. If they think that drug dealers and pimps and illegals will start paying their fair share under the FairTax (as Huckabee recently said) they are deluding themselves. they will simply buy from the underground economy, just as before. And they will not pay taxes on illegal items, just as they don’t now.

    Also, Ron Paul is an idiot and a hypocrite. I sure hope this isn’t a Paul stealth blog, as some suggest, but that’s exactly what these slimy morons do, so it’s plausible.

    Comment by Michael — August 20, 2007 @ 10:47 am | Reply

  12. The Ron Paul stealth blog nonsense was brought up by exactly one person. And he’s 100% wrong. Ron Paul is a kook. This is no more a blog in support of Ron Paul than it is one in support of Dennis Kookspinach.

    As to the rest of your comment, Michael: well said. Perhaps you might like to write a guest post on the Fair Tax.

    Comment by Psycheout — August 20, 2007 @ 12:51 pm | Reply

  13. Michael — I suggest you visit http://www.OperationOffTheFence.org, and do some simple reading on the Fair Tax. Your misconceptions will be remedied.

    Comment by Marsha Whitt — August 20, 2007 @ 9:30 pm | Reply

  14. Marsha, about the site, it did not address these concerns I have about the FairTax.

    Local and state sales/income taxes remain in place. There is no guarantee that the 16th Amendment will be repealed. And the idea that drug dealers, pimps and the ‘underground economy’ will suddenly start paying sales taxes (or any tax) is ludicrous (people were taken aback a bit when Gov. Huckabee said something like this last week in NH.)

    This plan makes every merchant a Federal Tax collector, and if you think there won’t be any cheating, you’re crazy – or maybe that’s your plan, which makes it immoral.

    And frankly, the hyperpatriotic, militia-like tone of the site scares the heck out of average Americans. Paying taxes isn’t about “freedom” or the Founders, etc., it’s about sustaining a society. Conservatives want to do it as cheaply as possible, not find some clever way to drown the Federal government in the bathtub, as the site finally gets around to hinting at as the true goal.

    Now, if the backers of this plan lower the rate to a 5% national sales tax, and lower the mid-level tax rate to 10% rather than 15, which most of us pay, and then you’re talking some sense. But it will still be a tough sell to make someone pay 8% state sales tax and 5% (or 23%) national tax on top of it.

    Honestly, the 15% flat tax is a better idea, and simpler to implement.

    Comment by Michael — August 22, 2007 @ 6:14 pm | Reply

  15. Government overall now takes 40% on your income now in taxes. Please government only make me pay 23%. Merchants are already the tax collector for the states sales tax so what is the problem with a national sales tax esp. if they did not have to deal with any other taxes. You act like there is no cheating at taxes with the current system guess what people already cheat on their taxes! What do you think pimps, whores, and drugdealers send in the correct income tax. They would have to pay the 23% every time they have to buy new products or services. Huckabee was not saying that illegal sex and drug money was going to be taxed but the people dealing in these types of trades would still have to pay 23% when buying legal products sold at stores and buying legal services.

    Comment by Aaron — August 23, 2007 @ 12:19 am | Reply

  16. “And who were three of the top five? Huckster, Tacredoborder and Paulunatic. So bully for them!”

    Anybody supporting Dr. Paul knows that he doesn’t support the ‘FairTax’ plan. To imply that Ron Paul benefited from the ‘FairTax’ organization shows the author doesn’t know a thing about Ron Paul’s position on taxes. Maybe you should take a look at Dr. Paul for true tax relief.

    Comment by Christa Keagle — September 12, 2007 @ 9:51 pm | Reply


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