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August 1, 2007

Turning the Corner

Filed under: Breaking News,Defending America,Democratic Idiocy — Sisyphus @ 7:55 am

VictoryLooks like we’re winning in Iraq after all, you worthless moonbat cowards:

The U.S. military is expressing hope that the recent troop buildup in Iraq is making strides as commanders point to the American death toll in the war zone — the lowest monthly total since November.

As of Wednesday, 77 U.S. troops were killed in July, a striking drop from earlier this year when spring brought the worst three-month period for U.S. troop deaths since the war began: 104 in April, 126 in May and 101 in June.

“Any time you are talking about coalition forces being safe, we gladly welcome that and hope to see it continue as a trend, that due to our operations the level of violence and level of attacks against coalition forces goes down,” said U.S. military spokesman Lt. Col. Christopher Garver, according to Reuters.

“We said at the beginning of the summer, it’s going to get harder before it gets easier. Now we hope to see that payoff.”

Indeed we are. Al Qaeda has thrown their worst at us, and they have been defeated. From here on out, it’s going to get better and better. Freedom is coming to Iraq, and the Iraqi people are beginning to show their gratitude for it. Despite the defeatism of the media and the liberals- domestic allies of the Islamists and Saddamites- we continue to win the love and affection of the Iraqi people.

The war is over. America won, as always. Get used to seeing your worst enemy win, liberals. Hide in your ivory towers and your gilded foreign cages. Sneer and deride the freest nation in the world. We shall continue in spite of you. We shall continue to defend our freedom. We shall continue to bring freedom to the enslaved peoples of the world.

55 Comments »

  1. How many times has somebody told us that the war is about to be won? I mean, Cheney said it in 2005 and today he apologized for being wrong and all…

    To put it simply: It´s over when it´s over and not one second before that.

    So basically, just because the insurgency lost some inertia after putting the pedal on the metal for 3 months in a row, you think it´s over? Keep dreaming.

    Oh, and you forgot to qoute the second part. May I?

    Still, July’s U.S. death toll is almost twice as high as for the same period last year — 43 fatalities — a sign of the persistent violence in the long conflict. The numbers come from a CNN count of Pentagon figures.

    At least 79 Iraqi soldiers were killed in July, compared with 31 in June, the Ministry said.

    There’s also concern about the Iraqi death toll, which rose in July. At least 1,653 civilians were killed in July, the Iraqi Interior Ministry told CNN on Tuesday. The number had dipped to 1,227 last month.

    Also, police found 44 bodies scattered across Baghdad on Monday and Tuesday, the Iraqi Interior Ministry said. The bodies — believed to result from Sunni-Shiite sectarian fighting — bring the number of corpses found in Baghdad in July to 612.

    Seems like the insurgeny (mind you that al queida is but a small portion of it!) has just changed targets for the month.

    The war is over. America won, as always.

    I remmeber people saying that about Korea. And about Vietnam. And several times about Iraq. Neither proved to be true.

    PS: I´m looking forward to see your articles about the UN trippling it´s peacekeeping force in Darfur. And about the French´s plan to sell missiles to Lybia.

    Comment by PG — August 1, 2007 @ 9:01 am | Reply

  2. How many times has somebody told us that the war is about to be won? I mean, Cheney said it in 2005 and today he apologized for being wrong and all…

    To put it simply: It´s over when it´s over and not one second before that.

    So basically, just because the insurgency lost some inertia after putting the pedal on the metal for 3 months in a row, you think it´s over? Keep dreaming.

    Oh, and you forgot to qoute the second part. May I?

    Still, July’s U.S. death toll is almost twice as high as for the same period last year — 43 fatalities — a sign of the persistent violence in the long conflict. The numbers come from a CNN count of Pentagon figures.

    At least 79 Iraqi soldiers were killed in July, compared with 31 in June, the Ministry said.

    There’s also concern about the Iraqi death toll, which rose in July. At least 1,653 civilians were killed in July, the Iraqi Interior Ministry told CNN on Tuesday. The number had dipped to 1,227 last month.

    Also, police found 44 bodies scattered across Baghdad on Monday and Tuesday, the Iraqi Interior Ministry said. The bodies — believed to result from Sunni-Shiite sectarian fighting — bring the number of corpses found in Baghdad in July to 612.

    Seems like the insurgeny (mind you that al queida is but a small portion of it!) has just changed targets for the month.

    The war is over. America won, as always.

    I remmeber people saying that about Korea. And about Vietnam. And several times about Iraq. Neither proved to be true.

    PS: I´m looking forward to see your articles about the UN trippling it´s peacekeeping force in Darfur. And about the French´s plan to sell missiles to Lybia.

    Comment by PG — August 1, 2007 @ 9:01 am | Reply

  3. A monthly drop in our soldiers being killed is hardly considered a victory.

    If you support the war so much then YOU go over there and win it, Sis.

    Comment by Brandon Explosion — August 1, 2007 @ 9:15 am | Reply

  4. I´m looking forward to see your articles about the UN trippling it´s peacekeeping force in Darfur

    It’s about time, I say. Hopefully it won’t be too little, too late.

    Comment by Lyssie — August 1, 2007 @ 9:22 am | Reply

  5. Praise Jesus! He is standing beside our soldiers and pulling the trigger for them. Huge warring angels shield and protect them from those who hate America and Jesus.

    Comment by Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett — August 1, 2007 @ 9:23 am | Reply

  6. Huge warring angels shield and protect them from those who hate America and Jesus.

    And failed in this task 77 times this month. Wow, quite bad for some “perfect” being.

    And you never hear much about US troops killing someone down there. No wonder. In a war against IED´s and snipers, you generally don´t have any target to shot at in the first place.

    Comment by PG — August 1, 2007 @ 9:27 am | Reply

  7. With God on our side we can’t lose.

    Comment by Enola Tibbets — August 1, 2007 @ 9:38 am | Reply

  8. Amen Enola!

    Comment by Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett — August 1, 2007 @ 9:44 am | Reply

  9. US servicemen deaths down, Iraq deaths up. Sounds like our boys have the terrorist on the run.

    Comment by BJ Tabor — August 1, 2007 @ 9:50 am | Reply

  10. Sounds like BJ is once again stumbling through this blog totally oblivious.

    “He is standing beside our soldiers and pulling the trigger for them.”

    Are you saying that Jesus is down in Iraq killing people?

    Comment by Brandon Explosion — August 1, 2007 @ 9:56 am | Reply

  11. US servicemen deaths down, Iraq deaths up. Sounds like our boys have the terrorist on the run.

    Except that the deaths of Iraqui government soldiers (the guys on your side) have risen and that those other losses in the artile have been identified by your army and the iraqi government as unarmed civilians, including women and children.

    Comment by PG — August 1, 2007 @ 10:09 am | Reply

  12. 33 less troops died…that’s a winning the war eh?

    Comment by Dave — August 1, 2007 @ 11:57 am | Reply

  13. “Freedom is coming to Iraq, and the Iraqi people are beginning to show their gratitude for it.”

    And all for only $300 million a day. What a bargain!! And a total of $700 billion in direct spending since the invasion began. Good luck paying that off in the far, far future… but probably more like your grand-children!! Suckers.

    Comment by Tyler Durden — August 1, 2007 @ 12:32 pm | Reply

  14. Freedom isn’t free, Tyler.

    Comment by Psycheout — August 1, 2007 @ 12:55 pm | Reply

  15. But you haven’t even secured “freedom” for Iraq. Latest reports have over 600,000 Iraqi dead, millions forced to leave the country – nearly 2 million – about 8 percent of the prewar population, have embarked on a desperate migration, mostly to Jordan, Syria and Lebanon, according to the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees, and another 1.7 million have been forced to move to safer towns and villages inside Iraq, and as many as 50,000 Iraqis a month flee their homes.

    And a resurgent Al Qaeda on the march – remind me again: what exactly are you guys trying to achieve over there??

    Comment by Tyler Durden — August 1, 2007 @ 1:08 pm | Reply

  16. That’s 77 who died in an illegal war in a country that DOESN’T WANT US THERE.

    but, according to you,

    Woo-hoo! We’re winning!

    Comment by SPOILER — August 1, 2007 @ 1:20 pm | Reply

  17. Hey there Tyler. Wassup?

    Comment by SPOILER — August 1, 2007 @ 1:20 pm | Reply

  18. “And failed in this task 77 times this month. Wow, quite bad for some “perfect” being.”

    I heard that Jesus needs to kill some of our troops because they were thinking bad thoughts.

    He’s always watching you you know. I am sure he had good reasons for killing them.

    Comment by Happy Clam — August 1, 2007 @ 1:35 pm | Reply

  19. “And a resurgent Al Qaeda on the march – remind me again: what exactly are you guys trying to achieve over there???”

    We’re trying to give them freedom Tyler. Give them the benefits of American style democracy along with the peace and prosperity that go along with it. That means free market economy, privatized medicine for all, open access to the legislative process by corporate lobbyist, in other words all the things that make America special and great in the world. We want to give the Iraqi’s the American Dream. When the Iraqi’s vote Iraqi Republicans into Parliament and then go shop at their local Wallmart we will know our job is done.

    Is trying to help people that wrong?

    Comment by BJ Tabor — August 1, 2007 @ 1:42 pm | Reply

  20. “He’s always watching you you know.”

    He sees you when you’re sleeping,
    He knows when you’re awake.
    He knows if you’ve been bad or good,
    So be good for goodness sake!

    Oh! You better watch out,
    You better not cry,
    You better not pout,
    I’m telling you why:
    Jebus Christ is coming to town!🙂

    Comment by Tyler Durden — August 1, 2007 @ 1:44 pm | Reply

  21. Comment by BJ Tabor: “privatized medicine for all…”

    You mean for those who can afford it.

    Comment by Tyler Durden — August 1, 2007 @ 1:47 pm | Reply

  22. Comment by BJ Tabor: “Give them the benefits of American style democracy…”

    So you’re gonna teach them how to steal elections?😉

    Comment by Tyler Durden — August 1, 2007 @ 1:50 pm | Reply

  23. “Comment by BJ Tabor: “privatized medicine for all…”

    You mean for those who can afford it.”

    No! Medicine to those hard working Iraqi heroes who get out their and pull themselves up by their crutches instead of waiting for handouts.

    Comment by BJ Tabor — August 1, 2007 @ 1:59 pm | Reply

  24. Hey there Tyler. Wassup?

    SPOILER, this is not a dating site, okay?

    Comment by Psycheout — August 1, 2007 @ 2:02 pm | Reply

  25. Oh BJ, you narrow-minded capitalist – affordable national healthcare is available in most countries in the civilised world – it’s why countries like Cuba, South Korea, New Zealand, Ireland, Taiwan, Canada and Australia all have a lower infant mortality rate than America, and the likes of Argentina, Ecuador, Thailand, Hong Kong, Singapore actually have a lower mortality rate.

    And with America #1 in obesity figures (“USA, USA, we’re Number1, we’re Number1”): http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity
    What makes you think the good ol’ U. S. of A knows best in matters of health??

    Comment by Tyler Durden — August 1, 2007 @ 2:23 pm | Reply

  26. “We shall continue to bring freedom to the enslaved peoples of the world.”

    Whether they like or not… oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!!! look out, it’s America bringing freedom, arrrrgghghhhh run for your lives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by Tyler Durden — August 1, 2007 @ 3:31 pm | Reply

  27. Tyer, you big mommy government communist; Free people are free to FAIL too! There is no point in being a winner if there are no losers. As for fat Americans, how much more intrusive can government be than regulating what we put in our bodies? No, heath care should be a reward for those who succeed, not a privilege.

    Comment by BJ Tabor — August 1, 2007 @ 3:32 pm | Reply

  28. Tyer, you big mommy government communist; Free people are free to FAIL too! There is no point in being a winner if there are no losers. As for fat Americans, how much more intrusive can government be than regulating what we put in our bodies? No, heath care should be a reward for those who succeed, not a privilege.

    So basically, if someone just ahs the bad luck of being out of money, said person deserves to die by illnes because no one would take care og him/her.

    NOW THAT´S WHAT I CALL CHRISTIAN COMPASSION!

    Comment by PG — August 1, 2007 @ 3:38 pm | Reply

  29. Unbelievable!!!!!!!! Brownback just called it quits LIVE on FoxNews:

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/12225/youdecide2008/brownbackquits.html

    I clicked on the link, and it brings me to some sort of nasty “disk cleaner”, which has probably now put a virus on my computer. There is NOTHING on Fox News, Google news, or Senator Brownback’s own site about this. It seems to just be a vicious rumor. Tyler, I truly hope you haven’t posted that with the malicious intent of infecting Brownback’s supporters’ computers with viruses. If you have, I will ban you so fast your head will spin.

    Lyssie

    Comment by Tyler Durden — August 1, 2007 @ 3:38 pm | Reply

  30. ”So basically, if someone just ahs the bad luck of being out of money, said person deserves to die by illnes because no one would take care og him/her.”

    And do what then? Be a slave of the person who helped them out. Nobody gives stuff away for nothing. No, a freeman is willing to go to the bitter end to stay free. Even if that means dying face down in a filth filled sewer than accepting a hand out a freeman says so be it!

    Comment by BJ Tabor — August 1, 2007 @ 3:52 pm | Reply

  31. If you can’t afford a doctor, you have no business getting sick. I would love a ’64 Mustang convertable but I can’t AFFORD IT!, so I don’t buy it. People need to learn to live within their means.

    Comment by ec1009 — August 1, 2007 @ 4:39 pm | Reply

  32. this is grate news sisyphus and I think you shuld ban tyler turden hes and idiot

    Comment by JOE — August 1, 2007 @ 11:49 pm | Reply

  33. “And do what then? Be a slave of the person who helped them out. Nobody gives stuff away for nothing. No, a freeman is willing to go to the bitter end to stay free. Even if that means dying face down in a filth filled sewer than accepting a hand out a freeman says so be it!”

    Shut up BJ, you can’t talk until you’ve ever been in a position like this, which you obviously haven’t. People DO give away free stuff and services–it’s called CHARITY (maybe you’ve heard of it?). Climb off your high horse and realize that there are a lot of people less fortunate than ourselves who need help. People with friends and families, so ‘just stubbornly laying down and dying and refusing help’ isn’t really a great option. My guess is that you live a totally sheltered life, and that you’ve never encountered any type of hardship, and that you’ve never had a single friend with who you could rely on.

    Your logic is totally sophomoric and hopefully it’ll change when you get out of high school and get some real world experience under your belt.

    Comment by Brandon Explosion — August 2, 2007 @ 7:31 am | Reply

  34. I clicked on the link, and it brings me to some sort of nasty “disk cleaner”, which has probably now put a virus on my computer. There is NOTHING on Fox News, Google news, or Senator Brownback’s own site about this. It seems to just be a vicious rumor. Tyler, I truly hope you haven’t posted that with the malicious intent of infecting Brownback’s supporters’ computers with viruses. If you have, I will ban you so fast your head will spin.

    Lyssie

    It was simply a test. Considering it was posted by me, and the nature of the post, why even click on the link… unless you thought it could be true😉

    Comment by Tyler Durden — August 2, 2007 @ 9:42 am | Reply

  35. Shut up BJ, you can’t talk until you’ve ever been in a position like this, which you obviously haven’t

    I will not shut Brandon. We conservatives have had enough of being told to sit down and shut up by you liberal terrorists. I will never need a hand out because I have worked hard all my life and have things like a savings.

    Comment by BJ Tabor — August 2, 2007 @ 9:44 am | Reply

  36. Tyler, in politics, nothing surprises me. In our society, where style is valued over substance, even in decisions as important as the selection of our country’s leader, I wouldn’t blame Senator Brownback for walking away in disgust. I am delighted, however, that it was simply a rumor. And I’m also delighted that my computer did not contract any viruses from that link. I once had a really nasty Trojan Horse virus that allowed remote users to access my computer. It took forever for my then-boyfriend (a computer techie, no less!) to eradicate the virus. I must say that it gave me quite a start to have been in an online chat and to suddenly have some of the most vile statements and obscenities showing up in my own chatbox, looking like they were coming from me! Then, when the CD drive started opening and closing on its own, I panicked and just shut the machine right down. It was quite creepy, and I’ve been a bit militant ever since when it comes to protecting my computer.

    Comment by Lyssie — August 2, 2007 @ 10:04 am | Reply

  37. Comment by BJ Tabor: “I have worked hard all my life and have things like a savings.”

    BJ, countless numbers of honest, hard-working Americans have lost their jobs, and as a direct result, their savings, through no fault of their own due to a slow economy (1980s), embezzlement (Enron), layoffs or even medical reasons. Are you saying you’d deny these people the right to basic healthcare?

    What if your bank were to close tomorrow and abscond with your savings?

    You don’t sound very Christian to me. The whole “I’m fine, everyone else can fend for themselves” attitude is not what I thought Christianity was about. “Do unto others…” and “Love thy neighbour” – sound familiar BJ??

    Comment by Tyler Durden — August 2, 2007 @ 10:24 am | Reply

  38. Tayor,

    If you get laid off from a company and the president of you bank embezzles you account you pull yourself up by your boot straps, not give up, chose to get cancer and roll over and die. Just giving handouts to people just encourages them to not take personal responsibility for themselves. Yes I love my neighbor, even those filthy scumbag Jesus-will-
    cook-over-slow-fire-in-Hell-when-He-returns atheist neighbors. But is the right kind of love. I help they overcome their problems and become better people, not enable them in their vices.

    Comment by BJ Tabor — August 2, 2007 @ 10:44 am | Reply

  39. “I help they overcome their problems and become better people…”

    BJ, how does one become a “better person”? Surely this is a subjective term. Are you saying you know more than most? Am I a worse person because I choose not to believe in your “god”?

    Comment by Tyler Durden — August 2, 2007 @ 11:45 am | Reply

  40. And do what then? Be a slave of the person who helped them out. Nobody gives stuff away for nothing. No, a freeman is willing to go to the bitter end to stay free. Even if that means dying face down in a filth filled sewer than accepting a hand out a freeman says so be it!

    1. There are people giving away stuff for nothing. These can either be some charity organisations or the state itself. Or private persons that have something that seems rather unknown to you: Compassion.
    2. Still, that “free man” should have the choice. And not being forced to die “face down in a filth filled sewer” just because some compassionless bastards run his country.

    Call me an idealist if you like, but that´s how it should be.

    If you can’t afford a doctor, you have no business getting sick. I would love a ‘64 Mustang convertable but I can’t AFFORD IT!, so I don’t buy it. People need to learn to live within their means.

    Getting sick or injured is nothing someone would do intentionally….

    Just giving handouts to people just encourages them to not take personal responsibility for themselves

    And that´s why charities give people just enough for the most basic things (housing, food and basic hygiena). If someone wants more, he has to get a job.

    Comment by PG — August 2, 2007 @ 1:22 pm | Reply

  41. BJ, how does one become a “better person”? Surely this is a subjective term

    There is nothing subjective about right or wrong. Jesus has laid that out in The Bible. People need to look to The Bible before they go pestering their fellow citizens for their hard earned money.

    As for your beliefs Tyler; God is virtue itself, your reject God you reject goodness.

    Comment by BJ Tabor — August 2, 2007 @ 1:22 pm | Reply

  42. I don’t know…You don’t seem to be a very nice person, BJ Tabor, despite (or perhaps because of) your religious views.

    Comment by AutoFire — August 2, 2007 @ 3:04 pm | Reply

  43. I don’t know…You don’t seem to be a very nice person, BJ Tabor, despite (or perhaps because of) your religious views.

    I am sorry to hear this Autofire. I would like to be your’ friend and help you be a better person.

    Comment by BJ Tabor — August 2, 2007 @ 5:09 pm | Reply

  44. Then please stop calling everyone who holds certain political beliefs “terrorists”. I am not a terrorist, nor do I support terrorism. I may not be a Christian conservative (I’m a Jewish liberal), but that doesn’t automatically make me a terrorist, and I don’t actively seek the destruction of Christianity.

    Comment by AutoFire — August 2, 2007 @ 5:39 pm | Reply

  45. We’re winning. But I can’t that’s any surprise: this president will accept nothing less than victory. And now it looks like that is in hand.

    What will the naysayers say now that we have stabilized Iraq and created a safe, Western-style democracy?

    Comment by relee — August 2, 2007 @ 7:23 pm | Reply

  46. Comment by BJ Tabor: “As for your beliefs Tyler; God is virtue itself, your reject God you reject goodness.”

    BJ, your “god” is merely an invisible, imaginary friend, a figment of your imagination inserted there through religious indoctrination. I reject all imaginary characters that reside in other peoples’ heads. I choose to live in the real world. Try it some time.

    Comment by Tyler Durden — August 3, 2007 @ 3:31 am | Reply

  47. Tyler,

    How can I help you if you insist on jumping on that greased pole to hell? It will be too late for you to realize Jesus is not “an invisible, imaginary friend, a figment of your imagination inserted there through religious indoctrination.” when you are head first into Satan’s crotch getting a sulfur facial.

    You need to look at this logically Tyler; if you are right after death nothing happens what do I gain taking you view point? Nothing. If I am right what happens to you Tyler if you keep your position; you burn in hell for eternity since you didn’t repent. If you take my view point you would be saved and get to hang out with Jesus! That makes theism the logical choice here.

    I hope you are logical Tyler.

    Comment by BJ Tabor — August 3, 2007 @ 10:47 am | Reply

  48. You are the last person who should be talking about logic. Until you realize that “terrorist” does not mean “anyone who disagrees with the religious right”, I can’t take you seriously.

    THAT’S logic.

    Comment by AutoFire — August 3, 2007 @ 11:22 am | Reply

  49. BJ,

    It would seem you are paraphrasing Pascal’s Wager. How quaint. Thanks but no thanks! That particualar theory is flawed as it starts out with the premise that “god” actually exists in the first place.

    “Suppose there is a god who is watching us and choosing which souls of the deceased to bring to heaven, and this god really does want only the morally good to populate heaven. He will probably select from only those who made a significant and responsible effort to discover the truth. For all others are untrustworthy, being cognitively or morally inferior, or both.

    They will also be less likely ever to discover and commit to true beliefs about right and wrong. That is, if they have a significant and trustworthy concern for doing right and avoiding wrong, it follows necessarily that they must have a significant and trustworthy concern for knowing right and wrong. Since this knowledge requires knowledge about many fundamental facts of the universe (such as whether there is a god), it follows necessarily that such people must have a significant and trustworthy concern for always seeking out, testing, and confirming that their beliefs about such things are probably correct. Therefore, only such people can be sufficiently moral and trustworthy to deserve a place in heaven — unless god wishes to fill heaven with the morally lazy, irresponsible, or untrustworthy.”

    — Richard Carrier, The End of Pascal’s Wager: Only Nontheists Go to Heaven http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/heaven.html

    You should live your life and try to make the world a better place for your being in it, whether or not you believe in God. If there is no “god”, you have lost nothing and will be remembered fondly by those you left behind. If there is a benevolent “god”, he may judge you on your merits coupled with your commitments, and not just on whether or not you believed in him.

    And, yes, I am logical. And by using logic we can determine the best course of action for a particualar scenario: Is it logical to believe yours is the only one true “god” where so many have fallen before? Is it logical to believe what you have no proof or evidence for? Is it logical to believe that the bible is the “word of god” when it contains such blatant errors?

    There is no logic in having faith, as faith is the belief in something despite evidence.

    Consider the Epicurian paradox:
    “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but unwilling? Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing? Then whence come evil?
    Is he neither able nor willing? Then he is not a God”

    Comment by Tyler Durden — August 3, 2007 @ 11:27 am | Reply

  50. And BJ, considering the feeble, infantile and downright incompetent nature of your last post (#47), it would be logical if you didn’t reply to my last post (#49), are you logical BJ? Well?

    Comment by Tyler Durden — August 3, 2007 @ 12:19 pm | Reply

  51. The Epicurian paradox is no paradox Tyler. It says so right in The Bible were evil comes from;

    “Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”

    God is willing, able and did create evil.

    The existence of evil in itself proves the existence of God and more so proves the existence of God as described in The Bible. Sheer random chance would not produce the kind of deliberate cruelty we see in the world. Take wasps and spiders. If evolution was true the spiders would evolve defenses like spikes, resistance to poison to fend off the wasps. Instead the spiders remain vulnerable to the wasps. Some force is clearly preventing the spiders from reacting to the wasps and subjecting the spiders to a slow, cruel death. That force clearly is God.

    Anything else you need explained Tyler before you accept Jesus as your’ personal savior?

    Comment by BJ Tabor — August 3, 2007 @ 2:17 pm | Reply

  52. You need to look at this logically Tyler; if you are right after death nothing happens what do I gain taking you view point? Nothing. If I am right what happens to you Tyler if you keep your position; you burn in hell for eternity since you didn’t repent. If you take my view point you would be saved and get to hang out with Jesus! That makes theism the logical choice here.

    And if the atheists are right, one would have wasted his entire life by being constricted by an obscure, partially outdated and sometimes even dangerous and violent ruleset.
    Otherwise, just read what Tyler wrote.

    God is willing, able and did create evil.

    Sorry to ask, but then WHAT exactly makes him better than Satan. At least Satan is always true to his principles and not a flip-flopper like god.

    The existence of evil in itself proves the existence of God and more so proves the existence of God as described in The Bible.

    And how does it prove it? Because the bible says so, eh? This is especially funny as good and evil depend solely on the perspective of each and every human. Something one sees as evil might be percieved as good by another one.

    So according to you, this part of the paradox is true:
    Is he able, but unwilling? Then he is malevolent.

    Take wasps and spiders. If evolution was true the spiders would evolve defenses like spikes, resistance to poison to fend off the wasps. Instead the spiders remain vulnerable to the wasps. Some force is clearly preventing the spiders from reacting to the wasps and subjecting the spiders to a slow, cruel death. That force clearly is God.

    Wasps are normally not hunting spiders, though. Thus they´re not the natural enemy of the spider which in turn means that spiders don´t need such protection. And evolving such spikes, for example, would surely have other effects, like the spiders constantly destroying their own webs by accident.

    Anything else you need explained Tyler before you accept Jesus as your’ personal savior?

    I´m not Tyler, but one question remains: How can someone be sure that, out of all religions, christianity is the only one that´s right. Chances are that another one, perhaps Hinduism, perhaps Islam, heck, perhaps the FSM is true. This in turn would make living with christianity pointless again, you´re going to hell anyway.

    Comment by PG — August 3, 2007 @ 3:20 pm | Reply

  53. Sorry to ask, but then WHAT exactly makes him better than Satan. At least Satan is always true to his principles and not a flip-flopper like god.”

    PG, what is Satan? Satan is not some kind of anti-God, Satan is a fallen angel and angels are extensions of God. It is impossible for creation of God’s to be any better than Him. I mean come on, you may be an atheist but are you so blinded by your’ secular-fundamentalist dogma that you can’t understand these basic point?

    To answer this question
    So according to you, this part of the paradox is true:
    Is he able, but unwilling? Then he is malevolent.

    Did I say God is unwilling to stop evil PG? No! I said God deliberately does evil to us because we humans are so utterly evil deserve it. However Jesus still loves us and gives us a way out of the damnation, but only if we take it.

    Comment by BJ Tabor — August 3, 2007 @ 4:04 pm | Reply

  54. “God deliberately does evil to us because we humans are so utterly evil deserve it.”
    Huh? Speak for yourself BJ, I’m not an evil person. This makes no sense whatsoever and is clearly the mind of someone indoctrinated into religion 100%

    “However Jesus still loves us and gives us a way out of the damnation…”
    Well, how very convenient!! They tell you what’s wrong with you (“you’re evil”) and then try to sell you the cue (“praise jesus”). Sounds like a very cheap infomercial to me, not buying it one bit!!

    “Anything else you need explained Tyler before you accept Jesus as your’ personal savior?”
    BJ, please stop trying to convert me, it’s really embarrassing on your part. I’ve no interest in your imaginary friends, seriously. By all means, enjoy your delusion for as long as it lasts, but I prefer the real world!

    Comment by Tyler Durden — August 3, 2007 @ 7:16 pm | Reply

  55. PG, what is Satan? Satan is not some kind of anti-God, Satan is a fallen angel and angels are extensions of God. It is impossible for creation of God’s to be any better than Him.

    Still, unlike god, Satan´s at least no hypocrit.

    Did I say God is unwilling to stop evil PG? No! I said God deliberately does evil to us because we humans are so utterly evil deserve it.

    Which is the same as being unwilling…
    And that way out seems to be some kinda bad joke.
    And of course, mankind wouldn´t be so utterly evil if it was not for god creating us like that in the first way…

    Otherwise, nice catch to ignore the other inconvenient questions.

    Comment by PG — August 4, 2007 @ 12:37 am | Reply


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