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July 31, 2007

Mitt Romney: Don’t Talk About My Religion

Filed under: Mitt Romney,Mormonism — Psycheout @ 2:21 pm

Book of MormonHmmm, interesting headline: Romney says his religion not a concern. Well why bring it up then, Mittens? Hey, look over there!

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney brushed aside concerns about his Mormon religion during a visit to Richmond today.

I don’t think it’s going to be that easy. Mormonism is a cult.

“People don’t care where you go to church, they care how you will lead,” the former Massachusetts governor said, noting that more than 50 percent of the population in Massachusetts is Roman Catholic.

Mormon Garments (Censored)Mitt Romney’s magical underwear was not available for comment.

If it’s not an issue, don’t bring it up. But it is an issue of concern for many of those who participate in mainstream Christianity.

See also: More objective and exclusive B4B reportage on Willard “Mittens” Romney.

Ed Note:

For the sake of balance, we offer you a link to The Joseph Smith Fellowship. Psycheout has been asked to post no further images of sacred underpants. We trust that he will honor this request. B4B humbly apologizes to any Mormons who may have been offended by this post.

It is my understanding that he had no idea that this post would cause such a stir. And he has been experiencing some stressful personal family issues. He will be more careful in the future, he assures me.

As Christians we all must be willing to forgive. And man is not an infallible creature. God made us in his image, but He did not grant us his wisdom.

Sincerely, Sam Brown, B4B Administrator.

Update: Get out of my post, Sam. I thought we had discussed the terms before. No interferance. You’re almost as bad as the Romneybots who have decided to delete the discussion over at the electromneyin2008 blog:

The Brownback link discussing LDS sacred clothing has been removed until further notice…no such ammunition shall be posted in the future!!!

Now that’s cowardly. If they think my light-hearted post was mean, just you wait until the Democrat party smear machine gets going. The dems will make this post look quaint. Believe you me. I’m glad that we at B4B don’t believe in censorship unlike the Romneyists.

Ed Note (Lyssie): The photo of the Mormon sacred garments has been taken down. There is plenty to deter one from voting for Romney. He shows a consistently horrible attitude towards those who he feels are lesser than him, be they the average American voter or the average Irish Setter. He is applying for a job with the American people. WE would be his employer, and yet he feels that he is above having to answer to us. There is plenty to dislike without even having to touch on his religious beliefs.

Update 2: Get out of my post, Lyssie. If people are going to mercilessly edit my posts, I’ll do my posting elsewhere. This is like the Danish Mohammed cartoons all over again. What are the Mormons going to do? Issue a fatwah? The picture didn’t show folks in their underwear, it just showed our non-Mormon readers what the magical underpants look like. Most people don’t know. It was informative. And you’ll notice that the Romneybot attacks have slacked off, because we were delinked by the pro-Romney site (because they can’t handle the truth).

If one of my posts is edited again, I’m out of here.

Update 3: As a compromise, you can find images of Mormon undergarments (aka magical underwear) here. Apparently it’s too dangerous to show in my post. Ridiculous.

Update 4: For those of you interested in finding out more about this sensitive topic, watch this five minute clip, Magic Mormon Underwear:

— Psycheout

75 Comments »

  1. It’s sad that Romney’s religion is the only bull’s eye on him, otherwise Brownback will have nothing with which to attack him (Mitt). Actually Brownback is in the wrong election, he should wait for the White House Chaplain election. He just might win!…at least he would have better chances than he has in the presidential race! You “Brownbackers ” are a bunch of idiots and bigots.

    Comment by dan — July 31, 2007 @ 3:31 pm | Reply

  2. Apparently dan is too lazy to read our Mitt Romney articles. There’s plenty of bull’s eyes. Open your eyes.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 31, 2007 @ 3:37 pm | Reply

  3. Yea right! But I guess all those other bull’s eyes are not as effective (in people’s minds) as his (Mitt’s) religion, otherwise you would not have come back to it again, and again …if those articles of yours were effective, Romney would not have led the polls in IA and NH, right?…what a bunch of losers you all are!

    Comment by dan — July 31, 2007 @ 5:12 pm | Reply

  4. Good grief have you no respect for things that others hold sacred. I can understand not agreeing with the beliefs of Mormons, but posting pictures of their underwear? If you are going to attack his beliefs attack those relevant to how he would run the country if elected. Who cares if he wears boxers, briefs or sacred underwear. This post shows an apalling lack of class.

    Comment by Jon — July 31, 2007 @ 5:15 pm | Reply

  5. Pretend that it’s not important if you like Jon, but it is.

    Schnick believes Clinton’s Moment — the Moment that would sum him up in the eyes of Americans — came “when Clinton was doing a question-and-answer seminar at either a high school or a college, and a young girl got up to the microphone and asked [him] if he wore boxers or briefs.”

    You better believe that the DemoRAT party will hammer Romney mercilessly for belonging to a cult. The magical underpants is just the tip of the iceberg that will sink Mittens. I suppose you support Hillary. You might as well do.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 31, 2007 @ 5:33 pm | Reply

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  7. WOW, 30 years from now we will look back on this election and realize how bigoted people were including Brownback and those who write stuff like this. I think Brownback should do something about these low blows that are coming out of his campaign and from his supporters.

    Comment by Brownback is a BIGOT — July 31, 2007 @ 7:20 pm | Reply

  8. 30 years from now, nobody will care. Mittens will be a footnote, if even that. Mark my words.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 31, 2007 @ 7:35 pm | Reply

  9. You and your candidate have unwittingly revealed who you really are. Where do you or liberals like you draw the line? What about making fun of Catholic holy water, or a nun’s clothing or a Jewish star of david, or their holy prayer cap, or holy prayer scroll on the door posts, Maybe you could mock the Jews as they sway with motion when they pray at their western wall (the one ignorant tourists or presidential candidates call the wailing wall). What about joining maddona when she danced around religious statues singing “like a virgin, for the very first time”, or maybe you would feel comfortable when she danced around with the eastern religious symbols of purity and virtue that were so sacred to others. Perhaps you would condone the liberal endowment of the arts that supported the artists who put the protestants sacred symbol of the crucifix in urine as an art statement. Maybe you could mock the unrestrained actions of pentecostal christians as they worship. If a presidential candidate is so shallow, intolerant and ignorant as to support such stupidity how could he possibly have a credible foreiegn policy? thank you for your self disclosure

    Comment by Zeek kropf — July 31, 2007 @ 7:47 pm | Reply

  10. Your classless attacks of his underclothes are truly lame. Beyond lame actually. If you are a Christian, and a student of the entire Bible, you would know that members of His chosen tribe, wore special clothing in the temple when conducting their ordinances of washing and anointing with oil. Read Deuteronomy and Leviticus, its all there.

    So, you supposedly Christian folks who are afraid of Mitt’s religion are really just acknowledging your ignorance of OT and early Christian religious practice. YOu amaze with your ignorance.

    I joined the Mormon church many years ago because it is far and away the closest thing to ancient Christian practice that exists on earth today. You should really look at it with an open mind as I did, and you’d be pleasantly surprised to find Him there.

    Comment by Richard — July 31, 2007 @ 7:49 pm | Reply

  11. I am mormon and am going for brownback.

    Stop attacking my religion you bigot.
    YOu have posted sacred things, please take them of your site.

    Comment by Jared — July 31, 2007 @ 7:50 pm | Reply

  12. It is troubling that mocking something that is sacred to others is considered acceptable political discourse. Mormons do not believe that their temple garments are “magical underwear.” The temple garment is, in part, to be a symbolic reminder to Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) of the Savior’s atonement, and the spiritual protection it can provide as we live in this fallen world. I would connect the dots regarding that symbolism, but I fear such explanations would just be more fodder for scorn. Simply be aware that when you mock the Mormon temple garment, you are mocking a symbolic reminder to faithful Mormons of the Savior’s atoning sacrifice for all mankind.

    Comment by Dan G — July 31, 2007 @ 7:59 pm | Reply

  13. I’m a Kansan who voted for Brownback in 2004. That was clearly one of the worst mistakes I have made. I deserve to be slapped.

    Comment by Ashamed Kansan — July 31, 2007 @ 8:05 pm | Reply

  14. Real classy Psycheout. I will mark your words when he becomes President.

    This posting says more about Psycheout than it does Mitt Romney or Switchback Brownback.

    Note: I bet you love the fact that he didn’t even vote in the John Doe amendment! And Brownback’s attacks on Mitt’s religion says more about Brownback than it does about Mitt Romney or Mormonism. I love everyone’s obsession with Mormonism; they are some of the nicest people in my neighborhood, yet many like to say they are not Christian. According to all the Mormons I know, they are more Christian than all the others.

    Comment by se7en — July 31, 2007 @ 8:10 pm | Reply

  15. No real Christian would denigrate another person’s religious beliefs. Brownback is a fraud.

    Comment by Kimberly — July 31, 2007 @ 8:11 pm | Reply

  16. No true Christian would denigrate another person’s religious beliefs. Brownback is a fraud.

    Comment by KL — July 31, 2007 @ 8:13 pm | Reply

  17. Nevermind, I am not supporting Brownback anymore. I didn’t think he supported bigotry against my religion. Soungs like he does.

    Comment by Jared — July 31, 2007 @ 8:20 pm | Reply

  18. Thanks for commenting twice, Kim, from the same IP address. It was so good it needed to be said x 2.

    All of these commenters coming over here from blog.electromneyin2008.com are really intimidating. I better take down the picture of the magical underwear or they’ll come get me. It’s like the Danish cartoons all over again. Are Mitt supporters closet fundamentalist Muslims? Are they wahhabists?

    It seems like exmormon.org has said much more hurtful things than my lighthearted post. Oh well, keep it coming. And remember us: we’re B4B: blogs4brownback.wordpress.com.

    Thank you!

    Comment by Psycheout — July 31, 2007 @ 8:23 pm | Reply

  19. You can tell a man by how he treats his family dog. No man who’d kick his dog is worthy of being President.

    Comment by Harry — July 31, 2007 @ 8:26 pm | Reply

  20. Harry is on a roll.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 31, 2007 @ 8:27 pm | Reply

  21. Do not worry, Psycheout, there are still some true Conservatives here who will defend your right to speak, even if the PC police won’t!

    Comment by Harry — July 31, 2007 @ 8:27 pm | Reply

  22. Can somebody show me quotes where Brownback has attacked the mormon faith directly? I am a mormon and have been a brownback supporter and I am wondering (hoping) it is just Psycheout that is the bigot.

    Any links would greatly be appreciated.

    Comment by Jared — July 31, 2007 @ 8:32 pm | Reply

  23. And the faithful wonder why more and more are turning away from god. Can you honestly think people will join and associate themselves as “Christians” with this kind of fighting amongst yourselves? With my beliefs evident, I have to say, I have no problem supporting a Mormon. Christian, or not, you should not apply religion when selecting a candidate.

    Comment by RC — July 31, 2007 @ 8:41 pm | Reply

  24. You don’t know what type of underwear Mitt Romney wears, nor is it any of anyones business!! Give me a break!!!

    Comment by Samuel — July 31, 2007 @ 8:44 pm | Reply

  25. Jared:

    I have no knowledge of Brownback personally attacking Mormonism. A campaign aide did circulate some anti-Mormon materials and was reprimanded for doing so, and Brownback apologized to Romney. So Brownback is on record that attacks against Romney based on his religion are not acceptable. Too bad his fans at this site do not demonstrate similar respect. They reflect poorly on the candidate they support.

    Comment by Dan G — July 31, 2007 @ 8:46 pm | Reply

  26. I’m afraid if this is what our “America” is turning into – that of demoralizing sacred things by the “do-gooders” about anothers religion – then is is time to abandon ship.

    If this is all that the “Christians” and “do-gooders” have on their politcal dinner plate about a Presidential nominee, that of mocking and displaying sacred things, then there is NO HOPE left for America.

    We are left without HOPE…………..

    Comment by RC — July 31, 2007 @ 8:53 pm | Reply

  27. Interesting. All these Rombots have a single brain between them.

    Are you Romneybots so braindead that you can’t come up with anything more than “Very classy?” I’ve seen this same post three times tonight. You guys are lame.

    Very classy.
    Very classy.
    Very classy.

    At least we’re original, unlike you hiveminders.

    Anybody want to argue that Romneyism isn’t a dangerous cult?

    Comment by Psycheout — July 31, 2007 @ 8:57 pm | Reply

  28. When underpants become sacred it’s time to move to another planet.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 31, 2007 @ 9:01 pm | Reply

  29. Psychout. The Clintons wouldn’t descend so “low” as to attack sacred religious beliefs… because they need Harry Reid on their side.

    And you? You disgust me. I’ve never seen anything so unchristian.

    Comment by lemare — July 31, 2007 @ 9:01 pm | Reply

  30. Thanks Dan G. I will continue to support Brownback.

    Although I am very upset that supporters have to attack one’s faith.

    Mitt Romney has great values and a very family oriented. Definately a person of great faith.

    Although, politically, I side more with brownback.

    Anyway, Psycheout, please remove those pictures it really offends me.

    Comment by Jared — July 31, 2007 @ 9:11 pm | Reply

  31. Wow, I can not believe I saw the pictures I saw upon visiting this site. It doesn’t get much lower then attacking what others consider very personal. You’ve run about 20 miles across the line on this one.

    Comment by Andrew — July 31, 2007 @ 9:28 pm | Reply

  32. Jared:

    Well, I regret you support Brownback, but if he matches up with you politically more than any other candidate, what can I say? I’ve been pro-Mitt for some time now, but had thought Brownback might not be a bad fallback choice. However, events of the past several months have caused me to reconsider that notion. If Brownback does not pan out, I hope you and his other supporters will give Mitt serious consideration. Of course, I recognize from the tenor of some of the comments here that some Brownback supporters will never do that.

    Comment by Dan G — July 31, 2007 @ 9:30 pm | Reply

  33. If it looks like an elephant, sounds like an elephant and walks like an elephant, then it is an elephant.

    Psycheout’s blog looks like a cult, sounds like a cult and words like a cult. I would say, YOU are the dangerous CULT. One that promotes hated and bigotry and words of violence.

    It isn’t GMR that I am afraid of, its cults like you. I am voting for Romney, not because he is a Mormon, but for my future and for my 4 grandchildrens’ future.

    I claim to be Christian and try not to hold that “stone” in my hand. Just remember what was told to Paul the Apostle, “if it is not of God, then it will come to naught, but, if it is of God, be aware, unless you find yourself fighting even against God”

    America should be dangerously aware that you are the CULT, not Romney…………

    Comment by RC — July 31, 2007 @ 9:37 pm | Reply

  34. America should be dangerously aware that you are the CULT, not Romney

    Whatever, RC. We allow all points of view here, even yours. If we were a cult we wouldn’t allow opposing viewpoints. Moron.

    And “dangerously aware?” You’re a nutball.

    So far the ratio of incoming clicks from Romney sites to outgoing clicks to exmormon.org is over 100:1. I guess people aren’t interested in reading the facts for themselves. They’d rather snipe at me and praise Willard. Ignorance is bliss, isn’t it?

    Comment by Psycheout — July 31, 2007 @ 9:48 pm | Reply

  35. Oh good grief people, it’s a joke! Can’t you take a joke?

    You sound like a bunch of whiny liberals… then again, you support the abortion loving Romney, so maybe you are whiny liberals.

    Comment by Harry — July 31, 2007 @ 10:04 pm | Reply

  36. They do sound like whiny PC liberals. It makes me sick.

    Shorter Rombots: Don’t talk about his religion. And avert your eyes from the sacred underpants.

    Moderator: “Boxers or briefs?”
    Mittens: “Magical underoos.”
    Audience: “Hooray!”

    Comment by Psycheout — July 31, 2007 @ 10:21 pm | Reply

  37. Brownback is dead in the water, even Pastor Huckabee is stirring more buzz than old monotone Sam, Sorry to break it to you Brownbackers but Sam won’t win an election because of his stance on abortion, nor will he help his cause by affiliating his name with religious bigots.

    Mitt Rocks!

    Brownback bloggers don’t.

    [Ed Note: We really do value your opinion on what “rocks,” Bryson. Wow.]

    Comment by Bryson — July 31, 2007 @ 10:29 pm | Reply

  38. The conventional wisdom is that Brownback supporters are universally conservative Christians. Psycheout proves otherwise for his rhetoric seems fundamentally inconsistent with Christ’s teachings.

    Comment by Dan G — July 31, 2007 @ 10:31 pm | Reply

  39. We get it, Dan G, the truth upsets you. And we appreciate your multiple comments in this thread. If it upsets you so much, why not try reading other posts? I’m sure there’s more than this one post to make you mad. Give this one a rest.

    I’m concerned about your well-being. I’ll pray for you.

    Mitt has Rocks in his head!

    Fixed that for you. No need to thank me.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 31, 2007 @ 10:50 pm | Reply

  40. Psyco-boy sounds much like a member of the kkk, otherwise known as a cult.

    Comment by Timgo — July 31, 2007 @ 11:04 pm | Reply

  41. give me some psyco

    [Ed Note: You’ve apparently had enough already.]

    Comment by Timgo — July 31, 2007 @ 11:05 pm | Reply

  42. Icky. This site gives me the willies. So does Brownback, to be honest. He’s got this self-righteous attitude going on, I tend not to trust those kinds of folks. I will accidentally stumble myself right out of here now. . .

    [Ed Note: Lizzy, since we allow all viewpoints here at B4B, stumbling out of here and back to your insulated world of echo chambers may not be such a good idea. Get out more and stand up for your own point of view when you find it challenged. Oh, she’s gone. Oh well.]

    Comment by Liz — July 31, 2007 @ 11:08 pm | Reply

  43. what’s the matter you have to take a break to burn another cross

    [Ed Note: That’s stepping way over the line, friend. Actually, that’s vomiting on the line.]

    Comment by Timgo — July 31, 2007 @ 11:10 pm | Reply

  44. I find it interesting that you would seek to dissuade me from posting further on this thread. I also find it interesting that you would characterize me as upset. I think my comments have been fairly level-headed. In fact, I even defended your candidate against Jared’s concern that he personally approved attacks on Mormonism. I am struck by the fact that you persist in mocking what is sacred to others even when a fellow Brownback supporter politely asked you to refrain from such mockery. I cannot reconcile that with Christian ethics. The fact that you do not seem to have a problem with your own conduct makes me wonder how seriously you take the Savior’s example and teachings. I recognize this is a political forum, but I am not aware that Christ ever pronounced a political speech exemption to this teachings.

    Now I am not suggesting that you are not free to disagree with and criticize Mormonism to the extent you disagree with it. Certainly, there are theological differences between Mormonism and what I presume to be your beliefs. Even though such theological differences seem of little importance in a political context, I have no problem with you pointing out those differences if you deem it appropriate. However, I think you should be fair and honest in discussing those differences. Suggesting that Mormons believe their temple garments are magical is not fair and honest. Moreover, having been advised that the temple garment is a symbolic reminder to Mormons of the atonement of Christ, I find it incredible that a person who professes a belief in Christ and his atonement (if in fact you do profess such a belief) would exhibit such disdain and mockery for someone’s sacred beliefs concerning the Savior, even if you do think those beliefs are misguided.

    Finally, I appreciate the sentiment that you will pray for me. I simply hope that the love and concern that should motivate such prayer will be evident in the words you write in this forum.

    Comment by Dan G — July 31, 2007 @ 11:20 pm | Reply

  45. Finally, I appreciate the sentiment that you will pray for me. I simply hope that the love and concern that should motivate such prayer will be evident in the words you write in this forum.

    Amen to that, brother. I ask the Heavenly Father to guide my hand with every word I write. I can tell despite our political differences that you are a good man. Go with G-d, Dan G.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 31, 2007 @ 11:30 pm | Reply

  46. I AM LDS.
    And what’s being shown here and said here is dispicable.
    Earlier this year, I thought Brownback was a decent man and candidate. For supporters of his to act like this and put this kind of thing on a blog site is downright offensive. Mitt Romney is a man of integrity. He is a man who has stood up for the sactity of marriage, the structure of the family and the life of the unborn. Whether you believe the doctrine of the LDS church or not – Mitt Romney is a man who deserves more respect than what’s being put forth here. It saddens me that fellow Americans can and would spit in the face of those who believe differently than they do. Unbelievable. You mock my beliefs and say it’s a joke… Let me tell you – I’m not laughing.

    Comment by Lee Littlejohn — July 31, 2007 @ 11:32 pm | Reply

  47. Thank you, Psycheout. Best wishes to you.

    Comment by Dan G — July 31, 2007 @ 11:33 pm | Reply

  48. And you. And stay interested in politics. And pray for the best candidate the GOP has to offer.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 31, 2007 @ 11:38 pm | Reply

  49. Dear Psycheout,

    It should not come as any surprise that Mitt Romney is playing the separation of church and state, because people in cults do not want anyone knowing the truth about them, especially, when that person has the notion of becoming a leader. The great plan of the LDS, as I see it, is to see Mitt Romney elected President, and then once a total Mormon cult executive cabinet is established, pass laws making it legal for a man to have a harem of wives. It would not surprise me one little bit if these people tried to make it unlawful not to have multi-wives.

    The members of that cult are sadly mistaken if they think that true Christians, actual conservative Republicans and not RINOs, are going to stand by and allow this to happen. Of course, RINOs Rotten Rudy Giuliani and Find-n-fornicate-them-while-they’re-young Fred Thompson would probably be thrilled with any variation of such a law. Rudy, who has been married more times than Zsa Zsa Gabor could legally just keep adding wives instead of divorcing them and Fred, is probably already on the lookout for a trollop or three, half his age, to add to his household that will cater to his deviant carnal desires.

    I am praying fervently that our current Godly leader put in place laws that clearly state that marriage is for One Man and One Women, not One Man and Multiple Women, Man and Man, Woman and Woman, or Man and Beast. When Sam Brownback walks into the Oval Office as our leader for the first time he does not need to be worrying about the God-approved Marriage Amendment, as it should already be in place.

    Soldiers of Christ, Mitt Romney is doing the Devil’s bidding and wants to do the Devil’s bedding, so keep your eyes and Bibles open at all times.

    Comment by Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett — August 1, 2007 @ 7:20 am | Reply

  50. One fairy tale religion making fun of another fairy tale religion.Priceless!

    Comment by ed — August 1, 2007 @ 8:03 am | Reply

  51. Psycheout if the people feel so sensitive about the pictures being up, then maybe you should quit being a dick about it and take it down.

    Comment by Brandon Explosion — August 1, 2007 @ 9:24 am | Reply

  52. Doesn’t matter anyway. Brownback’s campaign will die with a whimper, not a bang, and will be forgotten.

    Comment by Brandon Explosion — August 1, 2007 @ 9:36 am | Reply

  53. I can’t believe the Politically Correct nambies won this battle! Don’t we have free speech in this country? Aren’t we allowed to make a joke? Sheesh, next thing you know the mormons will start issuing fatwah’s like the muslims do.

    Comment by Harry — August 1, 2007 @ 9:55 am | Reply

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  55. Psycheout:

    1. If Brownback does not support bigoted attacks against Romney, do you either A) Admit you know better than Brownback (so how smart can he be?) and that’s why you’re doing it anyway, or B) Admit Brownback is right and your attacks are wrong?

    2. Can you come up with any good responses, other than to criticize the over use of “very classy”? I saw dozens of good criticisms in prior posts, to which you apparently had no good comeback. Is this an admission of a weak position, or are you just too busy trying to increase Brownback’s 1% popularity?

    3. In comment #35, you said a cult is something that does not allow opposing viewpoints. Is this your definition then? Before I crush your weak logic, I want YOU to define for everyone what makes a cult, so we can compare it to what you practice.

    4. Please tell us your religion, so I can compare and contrast with the Mormon faith. I’m sure you have nothing to be afraid of in doing so. You apparently have an very defensible position, right?

    5. In line #35 you also said the ration of outgoing clicks to exmormon is 100:1. I think you are a liar, and as proof I would like to know what texting protocal you used to acertain that ratio, and could you please copy for everyone to see the exact numbers as they appear in the click log? I would also invite anyone not familiar with Mormonism to explore http://www.fairlds.org, where you can find thorough rebuttals of every negative claim ever made againt the Latter-day Saints.

    6. Can respond anymore to Dan G’s comments than to say, “I ask the Heavenly Father to guide my hand with every word I write.” That was a pathetic comback, especially when he accused you of not taking “seriously. . .the Savior’s example and teachings”, being “fair and honest”, and exhibiting “disdain and mockery for someone’s sacred beliefs” in the context of being against the Savior’s teachings. These are damning accusations. Can you come up with no rebuttal that doesn’t sound like a teenager’s?

    7. You said the garments were just the tip of the iceberg, and had a link from there to exmormon. Are you willing to justify that site if I can show you how there are blatent lies, distortions, complete fabrications, undocumentable slander, and various other disparagies on that site that show it was created by less than intelligent, and terribly dishonest individuals? Do you claim that a supposed “end”(keeping people from Mormonism) justifies a “means”(lying, falsifying, and doing various other things the scriptures council us not to do)? Yes or no.

    8. Finally, for Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett: You said Mormons “do not want anyone knowin the truth about them”. I assume you think all 60,000 missionaries are then sharing something other than the truth as you percieve it. Therefore, what exactly is it that you think we are keeping from people? The arguments you make against us have been disproven many times, and yet YOU refrain (or your leaders keep it from you because their livelihood depends on it) from sharing with people the fact that the arguments are based on falsehoods and distortions. You also said Romney would want to make polygamy legal. IS this based on anything he has said, or anyone in the Mormon church has said? Has anyone in the Mormon church for over a hundred years spoke in praise of polygamy that you can show us? Yes or no please, and provide the quote for everyone to see.

    8. Mrs. Crockett, you also show an interest in one man, one woman, and stated that Brownback would support that and Romeny would not. Are you aware of the Mormon Proclamation on the Family and the LDS Church’s efforts to support the marriage ammendment and it’s efforts to oppose all other forms of marriage in various states over the last 2 decades? If you are unaware, you are ignorant. If you are aware, what is you’re reasoning for claiming the LDS position would change? Do you have any reason for saying it, other than the fact that you can, evven it is baseless?

    9. Both of you, what is your age and education?

    Comment by Kirkland — August 1, 2007 @ 10:52 am | Reply

  56. Dear Kirkland,

    I will be praying for you and your wives.

    Comment by Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett — August 1, 2007 @ 11:02 am | Reply

  57. Very good post, Kirkland. Of course Mrs. Gaines-Crockett is to afraid to answer even one theses questions. All she could muster is some weak quip about polygamy, which has been abandoned by the major Mormon churches, as everyone knows.

    My guess is that Psycheout will simply whine about how long this post is.

    Psycheout, step up to the plate and man up and provide some solid answers rather than weak comebacks. Gaines-Crockett, hop off your flying broom for a second and do the same.

    Comment by Brandon Explosion — August 1, 2007 @ 11:23 am | Reply

  58. I’m under no obligation to play 20 Questions with Kirkland.

    Most blog authors don’t spend their time in the comment threads at all. Consider yourself lucky I’m even in here.

    Comment by Psycheout — August 1, 2007 @ 12:32 pm | Reply

  59. If you don’t have the balls to be held accountable for what you post…

    Comment by Brandon Explosion — August 1, 2007 @ 2:38 pm | Reply

  60. Lucky, Psycheout? Is that what we are here? I wasn’t sure; thanks for clearing that up for us.

    Brandon and Kirkland – Crockett (or Taffy as we like to call her at baptistsforbrown2008.wordpress.com) doesn’t believe in answering questions that might prove her to be telling something less than the truth. Case in point: Yesterday, she said that the authorities had been contacted regarding my guessing that the password to the protected portion of the site was “Jesus.” Of course, nothing came of it. Also, when I asked if this was an example of using the Lord’s name in vain, she somehow forgot to respond. Shocking!

    Comment by SPOILER — August 1, 2007 @ 2:45 pm | Reply

  61. Psycheout,

    You, this site, and bigoted blog have crossed the line big-time.

    You have done your cause a considerable disservice. Hilary Clinton herself would never stoop as low as you just have. As of now, I’m so disgusted with you & your post here that I’d rather support her than your man Brownback.

    I’ve been following you for some time on this site. You’ve been pushing the envelope the past few weeks. But you’ve gone way too far. This is so un-Christian, You’ve lost all respect.

    Brownback could never benefit from this type of trash nor could any candidate.

    Comment by cwpete — August 2, 2007 @ 9:46 pm | Reply

  62. I’m sorry you feel that way, cwpete, but everybody’s entitled to their opinions.

    I don’t think we’ll really know how low Hillary will stoop until the campaign proper begins after there are two nominees. If the nominees are neck-in-neck you can bet the campaign will get really ugly and terribly muddy.

    But agree or disagree with individual posts, I’m glad you read the site and are welcome to comment anytime.

    Comment by Psycheout — August 2, 2007 @ 10:23 pm | Reply

  63. Psycheout,

    I would like your opinion on a statement by Hewitt:

    “Romney’s LDS faith represents the soft underbelly of
    all faith-based voters and the candidates they prefer, and if Romney can be bled via an assault on the rationality of his faith, the next candidate of firm religious view can expect more of the same,”

    That is what I mean by when I stated that you crossed the line in my #62 post.

    Seriously, I can’t see how these tactics can benefit anyone. They always backfire..

    Comment by cwpete — August 3, 2007 @ 8:16 am | Reply

  64. I wouldn’t vote for Mr. Brownback, as long as he has liberal loonies like Psycheout supporting him.

    What, you object to being called a liberal? Then quit acting like one of the folks at Daily Kos or MoveOn. You might just be able to regain some credibility.

    Comment by Trenton — August 3, 2007 @ 10:50 pm | Reply

  65. How rude, Trent. Are you from Democrat Underground? Are you a DUmmy?

    Comment by Psycheout — August 4, 2007 @ 1:15 am | Reply

  66. Rude? You mean like posting pictures of LDS temple garments for prurient interest? Or do you mean like telling someone they are acting like an uncouth jerk in public?

    And BTW, it’s Trenton.

    Comment by Trenton — August 4, 2007 @ 1:56 pm | Reply

  67. To Everyone visiting on this blog:

    Be aware that individuals like Psycheout and Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett are cowards and liars; weak minded individuals who have been brainwashed by their pastors and far-left liberals to think in the manner they do. The proof is in the posts. They were unable to provide an even remotely significant response to a challenge of their statements. Psycheout says it is because he is under “no obligation to play 20 questions”. The fact is, he can’t play “1 question”.

    Their accusations are baseless; their comments are only meant to inflame and have no foundation in reality. Their accusations cannot stand up to even the slightest cross-examination, as you have seen.

    If they had any integrity or moral terpitude, they would admit such, but they are in the gall of deception, as are all those who subscribe to their beliefs. Perhaps once, they felt the ideas they espoused did not seem right or seemed illogical, but they have passed them on till they have convinced themselves it is true.

    And now I’ll venture an intelligent forcast which this blog is lacking: Brownback will become a footnote in history by the January primaries. Mitt Romney will win the party nomination for President of the United States of America. Romney will defeat Hillary Clinton and become our next President.

    Unfortunately, this last comment is the only one Psycheout will attempt to refute, and when he is proved wrong again, he will abandon this blog and will anonymously slink away to reconcile the truth with his embarassment. Hopefully he will then have the good sense to start seeing the truth.

    Comment by Kirkland — August 6, 2007 @ 9:49 am | Reply

  68. Hahaha, when playing video games, one tries to procure the special “magical” (holy)items and spells. The more special items and spells (prayers) that you earn, the more likely you are to survive till the end of the game. Until I read this, I never knew that you could “Level-up” in a religion. And I have certainly never had to go on a quest for magical drawers (knickers) LOL!

    [Ed Note: That’s pretty offensive, Candide. But nonetheless, LOL!]

    Comment by Candide — August 7, 2007 @ 11:19 pm | Reply

  69. […] Filed under: Uncategorized — Psycheout @ 2:03 am Since my objective post about Mitt’s Mormonism was so well received, it must be nearly time for another.  B4B only reports on what the candidates […]

    Pingback by Mitt Romney: Don’t Talk About My Religion (I Will) « Blogs 4 Brownback — August 8, 2007 @ 2:05 am | Reply

  70. The Latter-day Saint garment of the Holy Priesthood, referred to by detractors as “magic underwear,” is a symbol of an inward commitment to Jesus Christ. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has a lay clergy and this garment of the Holy Priesthood is basically clergy clothing. The garment could be could be compared to the robes that a Catholic priest wears or a Jewish yamika or a pastor’s outfit. It privately encourages modesty in dress and is a reminder to those who wear it of covenants made to God and promises to one’s spouse about staying chaste and honest and Christlike.

    Comment by Miller — August 21, 2007 @ 3:29 pm | Reply

  71. There were so many lies about the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and the “magic underpants” in the video. I would not take that as fact but purely fiction. It was made very well but most of what was presented was not true.

    Comment by John — December 8, 2007 @ 8:55 pm | Reply

  72. Collusion exists within Mormon hiearchy. Mormons wont believe me, however while Mayor of Chillicothe Missouri, I tried to resolve issues internally and threats against me from the church. I spoke to a member Dan Coleman, who voted later to excommunicate me without even listening to reason, and was elevated to local leader and branch president of the Chilicothe, Missouri branch. He didnt care even if the other authorities broke federal law in threatening a public official with excommunication, in fact he was complicit in the act himself in his voting to do such. He in fact participated in the group think that leaders cannot possibly be wrong, and even if they are, they should be supported no matter what. If this typr of thing expands, we will see people become unglued at the hinges and what happened in Missouri 170+ years ago might repeat itself. God pray it doesnt. I will sadly do all in my power to see corruption like this stopped. They dont care to listen or resolve, they often have attitudes of superiority like they are better than and other non-mormons are less than. Egocentrism at work with illusions of diestic grandure. I was raised with such illusion, and its hard to break with the programming.
    Jeff Foli
    Former Mayor of Chillicothe, Missouri
    660-247-1700

    Comment by Jeff Foli — October 17, 2009 @ 4:23 am | Reply

  73. Politicians should honor thier stewardship, and ministers should honor thiers. Poiticians—Help us to see the issues and all thier sides.
    Ministers—Teach us principles of Jesus, not the precepts of men. Businessmen—grow in goodness, your fields.

    Comment by Jeff Foli — October 17, 2009 @ 4:28 am | Reply


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