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July 27, 2007

Marijuana Ruins Your Mind

Filed under: Drugs,Weirdos and Hippies — Psycheout @ 2:26 pm

Reefer MadnessSome people claim drugs are just harmless recreation. Well, they’re not.

A single joint of cannabis raises the risk of schizophrenia by more than 40 per cent, a disturbing study warns.

One joint = brain damage. Don’t stick that in your pipe and smoke it or you’ll go crazy. It’s been proven.

The Government-commissioned report has also found that taking the drug regularly more than doubles the risk of serious mental illness.

Although it could be argued that anyone stupid enough to do drugs is already mentally ill. How else can one explain the stupidity and futility of such a worthless existence?

Overall, cannabis could be to blame for one in seven cases of schizophrenia and other life-shattering mental illness, the Lancet reports.

One in seven. Wow. And that’s the liberal Lancet, folks. The same Lancet that claimed hundreds of thousands of U.S. caused deaths in Iraq. If you accept one premise, you must accept the other.

The grim statistics – the latest to link teenage cannabis use with mental illness in later life – come only days after Gordon Brown ordered a review of the decision to downgrade cannabis to class C, the least serious category.

The Prime Minister is said to have a ‘personal instinct’ that the change should be reversed, with more arrests and stiffer penalties for users.

Amen. That’s the correct and sensible approach. But marijuana just causes addicts to giggle like idiots and chow down on snack food. Right?

Cannabis has been implicated in a string of vicious killings, including the recent stabbing of fashion designer Lucy Braham.

And nothing truer has recently been said about “reefer” than this:

‘We believe there is now enough evidence to inform people that using cannabis could increase their risk of developing a psychotic illness later in life.’

There is much more in the article that drug apologists should read, including a Rogue’s Gallery of violent criminals who just got a little high, only to launch into horrific violent crimes.

Drug-crazed drifter Richard Cazaly is believed to have stabbed pregnant Abigail Witchalls in Surrey, in April 2005.

Cazaly, 23, who killed himself five days after the stabbing, had a history of heavy drug use dating back at least four years.

His girlfriend, Vanessa MacKenzie, told police both she and Cazaly were regular cannabis users, smoking ‘a couple of joints a day’.

We really need to get serious about the war on dangerous drugs. We need more prisons, more prosecutors and stronger sentences with teeth that bite. It’s time to send a message to casual drug users and dope peddlers. If you use or sell drugs you will do time. Hard time. No exceptions. Caught, prosecuted, punished. And no leniency. Dope fiends need to be locked up, not coddled.

Tell Your Children!

Your brain is not a toy. So don’t stick things in your nose or ears and try to play with it. Any questions?

I trust that a President Sam Brownback would do the right thing and put us on a path to ultimately and with finality at long last win the drug war. It’s the right thing to do.

Hat Tip: Blogs for Bush.

Update: A commenter wanted to see the Lancet study itself. So here you go.

Update 2: Fox News is there. They report, you decide.

Update 3: Salon took notice of B4B again, even taking notice of our own commenter and resident pest, Adam Nelson.

Reading the comments is a surreal experience in itself (including a moron [yep, that’s our Adam] who basically duplicated the brownie-eating-cop-calling-911 stunt), although finally one or two sane adults step in to inject some reality into the discussion. [I think they’re referring to me.]

Predictably they couldn’t resist throwing rotten eggs at us.

It’s a minor site and probably not worth our attention, but what is interesting is that even there people finally started to question and correct the nonsense, and that’s worth noting.

I think Saloon is the minor site unworthy of our attention, trying to ride our coattails. Well, success inspires envy, doesn’t it?

— Psycheout

242 Comments »

  1. I believe that pot smoking is just another symptom of Liberalism. Once someone goes out of his or her way to accept the immoral and unholy as the norm, they just open the door to drug abuse and criminal activity. Anyone who is smoking that stuff might as well have a loaded gun in their mouth; it is just as dangerous.

    Jesus, come quick! America is killing itself.

    Comment by Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett — July 27, 2007 @ 2:39 pm | Reply

    • Holy shit you people are so retarded. How about this actually go research the things you fuck wits seem to love to bash and you might realize that the pills all of you conservative, bush humping, flag fucking, morons are all popping are more damaging then weed will ever be.

      Comment by DR. Blunt — May 10, 2009 @ 2:14 pm | Reply

  2. A few questions. The article seems a bit vague on this ‘new report’. Is there somewhere where we can read it for ourselves?

    ‘Even if cannabis does cause an increased risk of developing psychosis, most people who use cannabis will not develop such an illness.’

    ‘Although individual lifetime risk of chronic psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia, even in people who use cannabis regularly, is likely to be low – less than three per cent – cannabis use can be expected to have a substantial effect on psychotic disorders at a population level because exposure to this drug is so common.’

    You also played down the fact that the 3 drug users cited here had problems with alcohol and cocaine as well as marijuana.

    Comment by Brandon Explosion — July 27, 2007 @ 2:39 pm | Reply

  3. I suppose with the heaps of evidence relating to all the negative things that alcohol consumption causes, you’d favor bringing back prohibition?

    Comment by ChenZhen — July 27, 2007 @ 2:39 pm | Reply

  4. Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Copyrighted,

    I think you meant

    “Jesus, come quick! I’m killing America.”

    Comment by Brandon Explosion — July 27, 2007 @ 2:41 pm | Reply

  5. No, I meant that you Liberals were killing America.

    Comment by Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett — July 27, 2007 @ 2:42 pm | Reply

  6. Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett-

    Is that you in your avatar?

    Comment by ChenZhen — July 27, 2007 @ 2:50 pm | Reply

  7. Why yes it is, ChenZen, but I am not interested in being hit on, picked up, or whatever it is you people are doing these days. I am very happily married thank you very much.

    Comment by Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett — July 27, 2007 @ 2:52 pm | Reply

  8. Brandy, see the update. I have added a link to the Lancet study provided by The Guardian, a liberal rag in the UK. A previous story you might want to see is this: Cannabis ‘could kill 30,000 a year.’ Enjoy.

    By the way, the internet is searchable. You might try it sometime. I’m in ur internet doin’ ur searches.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 27, 2007 @ 3:12 pm | Reply

  9. Why yes it is, ChenZen, but I am not interested in being hit on, picked up, or whatever it is you people are doing these days. I am very happily married thank you very much.

    Actually, I was wondering if that hairdo was for real.

    Comment by ChenZhen — July 27, 2007 @ 3:14 pm | Reply

  10. “It’s been proven.”

    oh my, oh my… and that from this blog. since when do you actually listen to proven facts?

    Comment by Matou — July 27, 2007 @ 3:39 pm | Reply

  11. Another study implying cause and effect and getting it exactly wrong. Patients with “psychotic illness” have long been known to have a greater tendency to self-medicate using alcohol, marijuana and other drugs. It has long been known that there is a strong correlation between drug use and mental illness of various flavors. The bottom line is that the illness causes the usage and not the other way around. The usage may or may not aggrevate the illness, but that is a separate issue…

    Comment by biphenylene — July 27, 2007 @ 3:47 pm | Reply

  12. Easy Psycheout: you do know those researchers are mainstream scientists, you know, the kind of people that believe in things like heliocentrism, evolution and global warming.
    Do you expect me to take those people serious?

    Go ahead, ask any of those so-called scientists whether they believe in heliocentrism, I mean with all those heliofascists speaking out against marijuana, you’d almost think God wants us to smoke it…

    Comment by Skeptic — July 27, 2007 @ 4:39 pm | Reply

  13. More propaganda for “Babylon” to try and brain wash people with. Maybe smoking marijuana isnt for everyone, but the people who do overstand its purpose in life know how to embrace it properly . I have never met one single person in my LARGE ring of pot smokers, who is violent and does things without any self control

    Comment by SonOfAtom — July 27, 2007 @ 4:51 pm | Reply

  14. I really doubt the researchers in this study know much if anything about astrology, Skeptic. Asking them about heliocentrism would be about as valuable as asking you about, well, anything.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 27, 2007 @ 4:52 pm | Reply

  15. Or is that astronomy? It’s easy to get those two mixed up.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 27, 2007 @ 4:52 pm | Reply

  16. Biphenylene is correct. The correlation is backward from what you suggest on this blog: mental illness leads to drug use, not the other way around.

    Also, why are you using research done by real scientists? This fact didn’t come out of the Bible or a release by the Discovery Institute. Why do you so selectively believe what scientists say? Oh, I know, because you believe what is convenient for you, not what is actually true.

    And Gaines-Crockett: Liberals are at it once again, eh? Lol it’s like that Futurama where they talk about global warming: “But what’s causing these rising temperatures? Well, Suzie, it isn’t foreigners”. Here’s a thought: replace every instance of Liberal with Jew in Gaines-Crockett’s words, and you’ve got Hitler!

    Comment by Adam Nelson — July 27, 2007 @ 5:56 pm | Reply

  17. Adam, I don’t know why you insist on telling me what I can or cannot say and what I should or should not use for sources. You keep attributing things to me that I have neither said nor done. I think you are a very confused young man.

    Perhaps if you were to pay attention to who posts what, you might actually have something cutting to say that actually made sense.

    I would rather you comment on the topic of the post and not some naval gazing aspect of what or how I should do my job. Frankly, that’s very boring and tedious to me and probably to everyone who reads these comment threads. Thank you.

    Now back on topic, even if there’s a reverse relationship as you claim (a mental illness causes drug use and not the reverse), it changes nothing in terms of the policy argument.

    That is, drug use and drug availability should not be tolerated. Zero tolerance and stiff penalties. When mentally ill people use marijuana and other drugs and end up savagely murdering people or committing other types of crime, it just shows how dangerous these drugs are. It’s not just about some hippie tripping in the mud at Woodstock anymore.

    The scourge of illegal drug use must be stamped on hard and wiped out. The relationship isn’t as important as the affect that dope heads have on society and morality at large.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 27, 2007 @ 6:13 pm | Reply

  18. Well, not wanting to really debate much today, I will agree with you that drug use, of ANY controlled substance, is flat-out wrong, and I will educate my children on just how dangerous they are.

    Having had a personal experience with a very bad trip (first and only, marijuana in a cookie), I can personally attest to the fact that even the “mild” marijuana is dangerous, and outright scary. I could never do drugs again to save my life, let alone let those close to me do them.

    However, I think the legal emphasis should be on punishing the traffickers the heaviest. They are the true scourge of the world, suckering impressionable and distraught people into becoming either crippled users, or pawns in their distributing game.

    Comment by Adam Nelson — July 27, 2007 @ 6:26 pm | Reply

    • I don’t know if you drink… but at sometime in your life you probably saw someone drink too much too fast. not good(potentially lethal) especially if they don’t normally drink or are new to drinking.
      for the group that thinks pot is worse than alcohol or dangerous, because of their first experience:

      -if: you didn’t do it semi regularly for a while, like a drinker who has a few beers on the weekend(wine at dinner) but knows their limits and drinks social with respect to them. (even worse if it truly was your first time)

      -then:
      1) you have no idea how much you smoked/ate (you do not know what a little bit is and it isnt the same for you as it is for your pot head friend!)

      2) if you’ve smoked before and got freaked out when eating it for the first time, I suggest you find an in-depth, legitimate study on pot’s effect on humans and in it you will probably find it mentions: eating it has different and potentially more intense sensations with smaller amounts than smoking. but the amount required to kill you (of thc overdose) in brownies is more brownies you could have physical eaten.

      3)(similar/reinforcing to 2) you could have ate/smoked double what gave you that horrible experience and you would have been fine the next day (maybe a bit slow) but alive with almost the same future risks for anything(cancer isn’t even conclusive).

      there is an exception to this for people who have a history of mental illness in their family, but even then its not guaranteed, and we’ve known alcohol carries the same risk for along time(you probably heard it in high school, or missed it and caught it in aa).

      5) get drunk your first time and while drunk, decide it would be a lot more fun to drink a lot more. you might not wake up the next day(look up alcohol fatalities per year), or you might spend the next day puking.

      Comment by John W — April 29, 2009 @ 12:27 am | Reply

      • I am aware of a few grammatical/logical errors in the above post. I submitted the post while trying to scroll with my keyboard to proof read. I posted this to prove I was aware of them at the time of submission(check time the stamp). Why people try to discredit others based on grammar/ mistakes while re-arranging and editing already typed ideas is beyond me. but this is the internet and it happens every day.

        Comment by John W — April 29, 2009 @ 12:41 am

  19. As a conservative and Baptist I do not believe that drug consumption of any kind is a good idea. However, I went to school during the same era Senator Brownback did and I do not believe it is a good political strategy to suggest he was not resourceful enough to find anyone selling pot during his school days. I personally would have a hard time supporting someone so sheltered for President of the US.

    As for the study, there have been so many junk science studies on pot that it’s hard to take this one seriously. In light of the government’s release of propaganda, like the film “Refer Madness” and many of the draconian policy adopted in the fifties to date concerning pot, such studies, funded by entities for or against, lack the objectivity and credibility necessary to be taken seriously.

    Pot is a hallucinogenic that crates a false sense of well being. It acts as an impediment to motivation. Therefore, I would submit pot is not something young people, looking to build a successful life, should experiment with as success can prove elusive even for the highly motivated. Furthermore, smoking a plant loaded with a multitude of chemicals and chuck full tars and oil can’t be good for your health in the long run.

    Kids are smart and they can smell a con. This study, like so many before it, smell like a con. We do not have to lie or stretch the truth when talking to kids about drugs in order to save them from themselves. If we give them the straight facts and communicate with them clearly most will hear us, believe us, and make the right choice concerning drug use. Honesty is always the best policy.

    Comment by Mark Moser — July 27, 2007 @ 6:41 pm | Reply

  20. “Why yes it is, ChenZen, but I am not interested in being hit on, picked up, or whatever it is you people are doing these days. I am very happily married thank you very much.”

    Yeah, that’s her, 40 years ago.

    “By the way, the internet is searchable. You might try it sometime. I’m in ur internet doin’ ur searches.”

    I search plenty. It’s your blog, up to you to back up what you post.

    Comment by Brandon Explosion — July 27, 2007 @ 6:46 pm | Reply

  21. Well, Adam. A reasonable comment. I commend you.

    Mark, very interesting. But wrong. Thanks for commenting!

    Comment by Psycheout — July 27, 2007 @ 6:47 pm | Reply

  22. “Or is that astronomy? It’s easy to get those two mixed up.”

    Sure. If you haven’t passed middle school, that is.

    “Kids are smart and they can smell a con. This study, like so many before it, smell like a con. We do not have to lie or stretch the truth when talking to kids about drugs in order to save them from themselves. If we give them the straight facts and communicate with them clearly most will hear us, believe us, and make the right choice concerning drug use. Honesty is always the best policy.”

    I agree here. I also feel that marijuana should be decriminalized (not legalized). Although I have not and will never get high, I know plenty of people who have (a few who do it regularly). These people in my experiences are among the most mild and non-violent people I know. People who abuse the drug should be helped, not prosecuted, much like you would help someone with an alcohol abuse problem.

    Now, drug traffickers and dealers are a different story. Their punishments should remain criminal.

    Comment by Brandon Explosion — July 27, 2007 @ 6:54 pm | Reply

  23. As should those of violent offenders.

    Comment by Brandon Explosion — July 27, 2007 @ 6:55 pm | Reply

  24. “A previous story you might want to see is this: Cannabis ‘could kill 30,000 a year.’ Enjoy.”

    This story is about people who develop cancers from frequent smoking of marijuana. You meant it to be taken out of context and viewed as violent deaths and such I take it. I suppose that you want to ban tobacco to, which causes 500,000 deaths a year in the U.S. alone. In that respect, cigarettes are much more dangerous to the public than weed.

    Comment by Brandon Explosion — July 27, 2007 @ 7:20 pm | Reply

  25. It’s your blog, up to you to back up what you post.

    I think I did, dummy.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 27, 2007 @ 7:20 pm | Reply

  26. I’ve never heard of anyone bludgeoning someone to death because of a cigarette, Brandy.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 27, 2007 @ 7:22 pm | Reply

  27. Psycheout, I must ask if you are in the middle school-high school range. Because the insults are pretty immature.

    Comment by Brandon Explosion — July 27, 2007 @ 7:23 pm | Reply

  28. I do agree with you, Adam. The traffickers are those for whom the heaviest punishment should be reserved. We do, however, need to overcome this societal attitude that marijuana is “no big deal.” It IS a big deal. It’s pretty commonly accepted that marijuana today is not the same type of thing that was around in the 60’s. It’s much, much stronger, with much higher concentrations of THC. We don’t yet know the long-term effects of this more potent version, and I think that this laissez-faire attitude towards it is rather dangerous.

    Comment by Lyssie — July 27, 2007 @ 7:44 pm | Reply

  29. I think YOU are all insane. Except for the pot smokers. The ones who smoke pot are the ones who actually know the facts.😉

    “But marijuana just causes addicts to giggle like idiots and chow down on snack food. Right?”
    Why don’t you try smoking it. You’ll see why everything is so funny, and plus, you too will want to eat too, the food tastes way better…..
    (ahhaahhAa)

    quoted by SonOfAtom-
    “I have never met one single person in my LARGE ring of pot smokers, who is violent and does things without any self control”
    I know exactly where you are coming from. If anything, pot smokers would much rather not go do something crazy.After all,like it was mentioned in this blog, potheads just like to giggle like idiots and chow down on snack food….They don’t want to hurt anyone.Try it for yourself and you’ll see that you are not going to become schizophrenic.I mean, god damn the researchers STILL haven’t proved it, does it seem like they ever will?nah.

    [Ed Note: It’s always refreshing to hear from the potheads and stoners that hang around elementary schools selling spliffs to children. Pusher, be gone!]

    Comment by twixamundo — July 27, 2007 @ 7:52 pm | Reply

  30. I just don’t see why people need drugs. I stay high on the Lord and there is no hangover.

    Comment by Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett — July 27, 2007 @ 7:55 pm | Reply

    • Wow….that comment much like your hair is lame…..while I dont smoke myself I can see you don’t see the whole picture……when are you guys ever going to win the war on drugs? How about never…..for every dope dealer that gets popped someone below him rises up in his place……wasted govt funds in my opinion….I say let the dope dealers and dopeheads do their drugs til they kill themselves….no money wasted and worthless people off the earth.

      Comment by ICP4Life — February 14, 2010 @ 10:57 am | Reply

  31. and plus….
    quoted by mark moser
    “Pot is a hallucinogenic that crates a false sense of well being. It acts as an impediment to motivation……….Furthermore, smoking a plant loaded with a multitude of chemicals and chuck full tars and oil can’t be good for your health in the long run.”
    It’s not a hallucinagenic, that would be something on the lines of magic mushrooms or lsd. And wow do you really think weed is full of chemicals? That’s really one of the stupidest things i have ever heard. There are 50 something thousand deaths per year from cigarette smoking, and no ones arguing on that….Oh and then there’s alcohol.alcohol impairs you from being able to drive, like it says on the label, operate machinery, and it also intensifies emotions.if you’ve ever been drunk while sad or angry, or even happy, you too would know. I think an alcoholic, or even occasional drinker(still talking about someone who gets drunk..) Is probably much more dangerous than the mellow pot-smokers.

    Comment by twixamundo — July 27, 2007 @ 8:03 pm | Reply

  32. hahahahhaa you stay high on the lord, that makes even me feel ridiculous.

    Comment by twixamundo — July 27, 2007 @ 8:06 pm | Reply

  33. and there is no hangover from getting high.

    Comment by twixamundo — July 27, 2007 @ 8:07 pm | Reply

  34. There’s nothing like a friday post about drugs to bring out the dregs of society. Have fun, fellas. But don’t drive under the influence. We may not approve of your behavior, but we do want all of G-d’s children, even the prodigal ones, to be safe and sane.

    Jesus died for your sins. Don’t you think it’s about time you thanked him for that grand blessing?

    Comment by Psycheout — July 27, 2007 @ 8:09 pm | Reply

  35. Why don’t you try smoking it. You’ll see why everything is so funny, and plus, you too will want to eat too, the food tastes way better…..
    (ahhaahhAa)

    I did try it once, back in college. I thought it was terrible. It made me very paranoid, and I was not in control of my reactions. At one point, I went (in this awful mental haze) to the kitchen, and then in a moment of lucidity, realized that I was in the kitchen and couldn’t for the life of me figure out how I had gotten there. I found it to be very distressing to have my mind altered like that.

    I know people who have smoked it regularly, and you can tell that they’ve pretty much fried their brains — they’re barely able to string together a coherent sentence (especially without using the word “dude” at least 5 times.) I don’t know if pot makes you dangerous, but it definitely makes you stupid. And I just don’t understand why one would deliberately wish to lower their own IQ.

    Comment by Lyssie — July 27, 2007 @ 8:10 pm | Reply

  36. and there is no hangover from getting high.

    Other than the eventual, “Oh G-d, what have I done with my life?” moment. It’s coming, twix. You can count on it.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 27, 2007 @ 8:11 pm | Reply

  37. People say the same thing about religion. In fact, I think there have been studies on that.

    Anyway, marijuana is one of God’s creations. I’m guessing He’s upset that you guys would advocate criminalizing it.

    Comment by ChenZhen — July 27, 2007 @ 8:11 pm | Reply

  38. ChenZen: God did create the plant, but it was man who decided what to do with it. God also created wood, but I think he’d probably be okay the criminalization of people beating on each other with ash baseball bats, no?

    Comment by Lyssie — July 27, 2007 @ 8:16 pm | Reply

  39. That’s a terrible analogy, sorry.

    Comment by ChenZhen — July 27, 2007 @ 8:19 pm | Reply

  40. Nice try though, ChenZhen. Hippies have been making the same argument since the ill-fated Summer of Love.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 27, 2007 @ 8:21 pm | Reply

  41. I think it’s a good argument. I mean, it isn’t just the smoking or being high that’s outlawed, it’s the plant itself. You’re basically saying that God made a mistake with this one plant.

    Did I mention it’s just a plant?

    Comment by ChenZhen — July 27, 2007 @ 8:29 pm | Reply

  42. I think an effective way to deter future drug-users (when used in conjunction with others) is to give first-hand experience. Many kids these days use the hypocrite label on parents who have never been exposed to the junk telling them exactly why they shouldn’t use it. Let me tell you about my trip.

    I was in my friend’s apartment with three other people, all my close friends. The five of us decided to bake some pot in a batch of cookies.

    Now keep in mind that my friends were all “experienced” with pot; they’d done it many times, in many different ways. This was my first and only time.

    When they made the cookies, we all started to eat them. They tasted terrible, kinda like burnt cedar leaves. I ate about five of them, because it takes awhile to get high when you ingest (as opposed to smoking, which is apparently instantaneous). My “friends” neglected to tell me that I should eat only about two. I ate seven.

    So we sat around for awhile watching TV, and the high started to hit. It is best described early on as “waves of funny”. Everything basically becomes hilarious: any word, action or event around you is hysterical. Pretty soon, the waves intensified, and just sitting down was as intense as driving down the interstate at 80. It was a weird sensation.

    At first, everything was great. I felt happy and in control. I felt like I could inspect any object at will and immediately reveal all of its secrets, kinda like looking at things through a microscope. But sitting up in a chair became too intense for me, so I had to lay down on the floor just to feel like I wasn’t racing along at 100 mph.

    The next four hours or so are mostly a blur. Pot screws up your sense of passage of time, so ten minutes feels literally like an hour. I started to get sick of the high, saw it as irritating, and wanted it to end. When I realized that I couldn’t, and that it was getting worse, I became terrified. I basically laid on my back on the floor gibbering to myself, thinking that I would be a vegetable all my life, stuck in a permanent high.

    Eventually, my body reacted to the ridiculous amounts of THC, so I started to throw up. However, I was still in the middle of the high, so it felt to me like I was vomiting up my organs. I couldn’t muster the will to roll over or anything, so I was covered in my own filth. I lay like that for another three hours.

    I felt like I couldn’t open my eyes because everything was terrifying, but at the same time I couldn’t close my eyes because my warped brain was even more terrifying. People used to say that an intense THC high is like a near-death experience, and from what I found, it is quite true. I literally felt like my life was over, and I was telling my friends (who all “landed” some time ago) to give my fiancee back the ring she gave me, to tell my parents I love them, etc. etc. I felt like I was staring death in the face.

    I still don’t remember specific events, only that I woke up the next day, on the floor, at about 6 AM. I was extremely weak, and could barely see. My “friends” all left me to my fate; they wouldn’t even stay to take care of me. So I cleaned myself up as much a I could, called a cab and went home. Still partly high, I remember going online to Wikipedia to read about pot and try to see if I was going to die. I didn’t feel “normal” until about 11 PM.

    When I have kids of my own, I plan on using my story to keep them away from drugs, and to show them that no drugs are “harmless”. If we can keep our kids away from them, then we will beat the dealers at their own game and put them out of business, preferrably behind bars.

    Comment by Adam Nelson — July 27, 2007 @ 8:33 pm | Reply

  43. I know that was a terrible analogy. It’s late, I’m tired, and my ears are still ringing from the plaintive shrieks of Cranky McTeething. Cut me some slack, would you?

    I don’t know that the plant itself should be completely outlawed, as hemp is a very useful substance, and the manufacturing of hemp products has created jobs. It does, however, have to be very closely monitored and regulated, and I do think it should be illegal for anybody EXCEPT for those aforementioned manufacturers to grow these plants.

    And yes, it’s just a plant. Opium comes from plants too. So does cocaine. So does cyanide. “Natural” doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s harmless, or good for you.

    Comment by Lyssie — July 27, 2007 @ 8:34 pm | Reply

  44. Oh my heavens, Adam! What a horrible experience for you to have gone through. It IS nasty stuff, and in no way harmless. I shudder to think of what COULD have happened to you. You were very, very lucky to have come out of that experience unharmed.

    Comment by Lyssie — July 27, 2007 @ 8:38 pm | Reply

  45. Actually shudder all you want and have fantasys about how horrible the experiience COULD have been then actually take your emotion out of it and look at the medical facts. NEVER in the history of the world has anyone ever died from an “O.D.” of THC. So what COULD have happened to you is absolutly nothing as soon as the THC returned to managable lvls. You were NOT very very lucky to come out of the experience unharmed as NOONE ever has died from THC exposure. What should and will happen every time is it will wear off and youll be fine. Good lord overdramatic much?

    Comment by Jon — July 27, 2007 @ 8:55 pm | Reply

  46. Well, I wasn’t going to be graphic, but Jon, from what Adam described, it sounds like he was very lucky to have not aspirated his own vomit and choked to death. Would his death have been ruled as an overdose of THC? Likely not.

    And frankly, as much as I disagree with Adam on some things, I think that you are being incredibly condescending. He went through an extremely bad experience, and despite your snotty reassurances, he actually COULD have died, and all you can do is sit here and make fun.

    Comment by Lyssie — July 27, 2007 @ 9:01 pm | Reply

  47. Please cite the number of cases of people that have died from choking on thier own vomit from THC and only THC intoxication. You can site tens of thousands if not more from alcohol. Could you show any citable proof that shows that legions of pot smokers are rolling over dead from thier own vomit? Can you even cite a handful? I have my doubts in the extreme therefore i think it was highly unlikely that Adam would have died on his own vomit. What will happen is exactly what did happen. You get over it. Every time.

    Comment by Jon — July 27, 2007 @ 9:08 pm | Reply

  48. Jon is partly right, in that it is very, very hard to die purely of toxic levels of THC. However, like alcohol, marijuana affects your sense of judgement, so you are more likely to do stupid things. Also, I was out cold for some time. Like Lyssie said, I could’ve died choking on my own vomit.

    But even if the chemical won’t kill you outright, it is still very dangerous, and chronic or isolated use can and does have very nasty effects. I could NEVER will myself to do it again because of my bad trip, and even the smell of it on my friends is enough to make me literally spiral into a bad mood. Biggest mistake of my life.

    Comment by Adam Nelson — July 27, 2007 @ 9:09 pm | Reply

  49. True. From what I was able to quickly glean, it is pretty much impossible to OD, per se, on marijuana. However, like Adam says, how many people have died due to accidents that happened because one’s judgement was impaired by the drug. When I was growing up, I remember on more than one occasion, hearing of a house that had burned to the ground because the residents within were stoned out of their minds and decided it would be a fine time to deep-fry some french fries. My friend’s brother drowned while swimming with friends while they were all high.

    To sit there and pretend that every single person who has ever smoked it has emerged perfectly hale and healthy. Well, that’s not exactly the truth, is it?

    Comment by Lyssie — July 27, 2007 @ 9:16 pm | Reply

  50. Marijuanna is NOT a dangerous drug. Its certainly less dangerous then going out and riding your bike. Its certainly less dangerous then the car drive to the movies. Its less dangerous then going to an amusement park and going on rides. Its less dangerous then playing little league baseball.(something tens of thousands of 8 year olds do every year) I could run this list for many many many pages. In talking about the dangers of marijuana, this “risk” has to be placed in a proper context.

    Comment by Jon — July 27, 2007 @ 9:19 pm | Reply

  51. From my experience, and from commom anecdotes, pot makes you essentially useless during your high. I know for a fact that when I did it, I could not have had the coordination or the will to be able to swim. Hell, if I wasn’t so afraid of dying, I probably would’ve tried to microwave a can of soup — in the can!

    Comment by Adam Nelson — July 27, 2007 @ 9:20 pm | Reply

  52. Lyssie, people who arnt high have thier houses burn down due to thier own stupidity as well. Hundreds die from drowning a year that arnt high. What are you proving exactly? And in fact for certain people like cancer and AIDs patients, smoking pot does indeed indirectly make them more healthy. It enables them to keep food down and promote appitite.

    Comment by Jon — July 27, 2007 @ 9:23 pm | Reply

  53. Jon, the immediate risks are not of any concern. Chronic use of marijuana is the problem, and leads to many complications. For one, it is a gateway drug, leading users into more intense, and deadly, fixes.

    Second, your definition of “dangerous” is questionable. In terms of people killed in plane crashes vs. people flying successfully, flying is safer than driving. However, out of ten flights or ten drives, your instance of dying in a plane is MUCH higher than that of a car.

    Comment by Adam Nelson — July 27, 2007 @ 9:23 pm | Reply

  54. Also the notion of pot smoker = idiot is completly unfounded. Carl Sagan, who was without debate considered of of the more brilliant people on the planet was famous for espousing the benefits of smoking pot. He used to get stoned and sit under his shower for an hour, freethinking about astronomy theory.

    Comment by Jon — July 27, 2007 @ 9:25 pm | Reply

  55. Shorter Jon: getting blotto is safer than sticking your face in a fan.

    That’s really convincing, hippie.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 27, 2007 @ 9:31 pm | Reply

  56. The notion of a “gateway drug” is one of those magical anti drug terms that has no basis in fact. 100% of all pot smokers tried oxygen first before trying pot. So is oxygen a gateway gas to doing drugs? There are tems of millions of people that have tried pot and no other street drugs. This number is far far far far greater then the numbers that tried pot and moved onto harder drugs. And even this group, are also far more likely to have done harder drugs regardless if pot even existed or not.

    Comment by Jon — July 27, 2007 @ 9:31 pm | Reply

  57. Jon, what I am proving (but what you seem to be unwilling to acknowledge) is that being under the influence of any mind-altering substance increases your risk of harmful or fatal accidents. And because marijuana is used by so many, it is thereby exponentially increasing the rates at which these accidents occur. Therefore, it is not as harmless as you like to make it out to be. However, you seem to be utterly convinced that there is not one blessed thing wrong with smoking pot, and nothing that I say, or that Adam says (despite BOTH of us having had very negative first-hand experiences with the drug) is going to persuade you otherwise. So, I’m going to save my breath and get some much-needed sleep. Good night everybody, and may you all have pleasant dreams.

    Comment by Lyssie — July 27, 2007 @ 9:32 pm | Reply

  58. Psyche next time you make a comment to me, could you actually try putting in some actual content supported by oh i dont know, maybe facts? Lets try that and go from there.

    Comment by Jon — July 27, 2007 @ 9:35 pm | Reply

  59. Lysseie again you are talking without the support of facts. Could you please cite where accidents have increased exponentially because of THC? Ill wait.

    Comment by Jon — July 27, 2007 @ 9:37 pm | Reply

  60. Who hasn’t heard this true story?

    There was this girl who was babysitting. The parents had gone out to a large party and had left their new infant at home with a 16 year old girl. While she was babysitting the parents called her on the telephone just to make sure everything was all right.

    The babysitter calmly said, “Oh, everything’s fine,” adding, “And the turkey’s in the oven.”

    The mother replied, “Oh okay, that’s fine,” and she hung up the phone.

    Giving it a second thought, she glanced over at her husband and exclaimed, “The turkey’s in the oven? What turkey? We don’t have a turkey!”

    Her husband was dumbfounded. His wife told him what was said. So the young couple decided they had better hurry up and get home to see what was going on. Maybe there was something wrong with the babysitter.

    So they excused themselves and left the party. When they finally walked into their home, they saw the babysitter sitting curled up in a chair, totally freaking out. In front of her was an ashtray filled with jazz cigarettes. She had been smoking marijuana ever since they had left.

    As it turns out, the babysitter had placed the little infant in the oven, thinking it was a turkey.

    That could have been Adam’s girlfriend. A word to the wise: only dopes use dope.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 27, 2007 @ 9:40 pm | Reply

  61. LMAO and after that Goldilocks said” My grandma what big teeth you have.” Sigh i do love a good fairy tale. Especiually ones designed to panic people by using untrue stories and emotion instead of facts. What country did this happen in? What were the peoples names? Id suggest you try the urbanlegends.com page for more details on stories like these. And jazz cigarettes? Yea you strike me as real up to date on current scientific inquiry on the matter.

    Comment by Jon — July 27, 2007 @ 9:45 pm | Reply

  62. Next your going to peddle “Hemp for Victory,” every stoners favorite 1942 USDA film. Then you’re going to tell us how DuPont conspired with Hearst to ban marijuana by claiming that black men were seducing white women with their jazz cigarettes. It’s racism!

    I know you want to. I’ve heard it all before.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 27, 2007 @ 9:50 pm | Reply

  63. I have no clue what you are talking about. Stop putting words in my mouth. Im interested in a factual and scientific debate not hyperbole fairy takles, or horror drug stories that somehow “prove” your point but really do no such thing.

    Comment by Jon — July 27, 2007 @ 9:52 pm | Reply

  64. Adam, you may have gotten marijuana laced with LDS. That’s a popular way to hook naive folk like yourself. It gives the pot that extra kick that dope fiends really enjoy. Being a first time user it sent you to trip out city. Have you been tested for the Aids?

    Obviously those dope heads were not your friends. They were trying to turn you into a junkie and laughed when you freaked out, leaving you to die in a pool of your own sick. I’m glad you’ve turned away from the hippie culture. Perhaps when you mature you’ll be a conservative. It happens slowly. But you’ll get there. Then you’ll thank B4B for showing you the light.

    Count on it.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 27, 2007 @ 9:57 pm | Reply

  65. If you have no idea what I’m talking about, go check out Hemp for Victory. It’s not that long and you’ll enjoy it. Marijuana saved us in WWII. Before nylon proved to be the superior fiber for making rope.

    Most dope heads cite this film as proof that hemp will save us from deforestation and petrochemicals. But all they really want is to feed the habit.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 27, 2007 @ 9:59 pm | Reply

  66. Just wow. Psych. Your ignorence is simply amazing. Could you please explain how someone could become infected by AIDS by smoking pot? Hell you couldnt get AIDS by smoking pot if you sprinkled a huge vial of it on top of the plant. It doesnt live long when its been heated to 400 degrees or so you see. Dope fiends? Trip out city? Im suprised you even know how to use a computer. Id like to put a quaint archaic ignorant predjudicial antidrug comment here but i see youve taken them all.

    Comment by Jon — July 27, 2007 @ 10:03 pm | Reply

  67. Sorry Psycheout, but this website has done nothing for my educational integrity.

    And you’re right, the pot was probably laced with something else. I was very scared of that, actually, so I got myself tested. Luckily, there was nothing of interest in either my blood or urine, aside from lots of pot residue.

    Comment by Adam Nelson — July 27, 2007 @ 10:05 pm | Reply

  68. Sorry psych your barking up the wrong tree, im an evil energy wasting republican businessman that was able to retire at 35. I could care less about the enviornment and ive never given hemp more then an amused consideration. So im not interested in your hippy movies and retoric. Sorry.

    Comment by Jon — July 27, 2007 @ 10:06 pm | Reply

  69. So in conclusion, your evil friends DIDNT lace your pot and you just had a first time bad reaction to it. If i was your freind i would think you were a real jerk for accusing me of tring to do soemthing harmful to you. Experienced pot smokers know exactly what to do when a first time person has a bad reaction. Let them sleep it off and they will be fine. And gues what, they were right wernt they.

    Comment by Jon — July 27, 2007 @ 10:09 pm | Reply

  70. Im also guessing that everyone else smoked or consumed the EXACT same pot you did and had NONE of the reactions you did.

    Comment by Jon — July 27, 2007 @ 10:12 pm | Reply

  71. If i was your freind i would think you were a real jerk for accusing me of tring to do soemthing harmful to you.

    This is precisely why one should choose one’s “freinds” wisely. Chosing Jon would be a big mistake. He’s a republican who smokes pot, eh? Must be a libertarian.

    So, Jon, do you support the truther candidate, Ron Paul?

    Comment by Psycheout — July 27, 2007 @ 10:32 pm | Reply

  72. Id like to put a quaint archaic ignorant predjudicial antidrug comment here

    Great! Go ahead.

    but i see youve taken them all.

    Well I do strive to be thorough.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 27, 2007 @ 10:35 pm | Reply

  73. You seem to know as much about politics as you do drugs. Libertarians are Libertarians and Republicans are Republicans. I said i was a Republican. I have a BA in Political Science. I assure you my political views are rational, grounded, and well supported by fact.

    None of my friends would dream of accuseing me of poisoning them with LSD. They know i would never give a drug to them without thier full knowledge and consent of what they were consuming. Friends dont do that to each other. Nor should friends accuse you of doing something your innocent of doing. You clearly didnt believe them when they told you they didnt lace anything with anything and the blood tests prove what they said was the truth. Now your the one running around making wild drug accusations to innocent people. Your accusations were proven to be wrong, with scientific evidence to boot. Is this the way you treat your friends?

    Comment by Jon — July 27, 2007 @ 10:44 pm | Reply

  74. You should see the way he treats his enemies, Jon! We give him an open thread to vent about anything under the sun, yet he ignores it completely.

    Adam is all sorts of messed up. He must be one of the 40% who suffer from brain damage from just one puff. If you were spared, G-d bless, go forward. You are a lucky man indeed. And I salute you.

    At B4B we respect those who stand up for their beliefs. Even if they’re completely and totally wrong.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 27, 2007 @ 10:55 pm | Reply

  75. Again you have taken a fact and completly malaigned it past recognition. The study never said 40% of people suffered brain damage from just one puff. It said there was a 40% INCREASE in that occurence. So if 1 in 20 million happen to be susepatble to this psychosis normally then that means its now 1.4 people out of 20 million or one in 12 million to get this particular disease. Please read your data carefully. Misreading and misunderstanding what the study actually says can cause irrational and severe reactions that dont equate with the actual risk.

    Comment by Jon — July 27, 2007 @ 11:04 pm | Reply

  76. If my memory of some of the Data is correct, the psychosis effects seem to have accounded for 800 patients. Thats out of 60 million canabis users. These 800 patients were also not prescreened in the study for predisposition to psyosis so even that number is questionable at best.

    Comment by Jon — July 27, 2007 @ 11:10 pm | Reply

  77. Im not very lucky because i was “spared” its a near statistical certianty that after smoking pot ill be just fine.

    Comment by Jon — July 27, 2007 @ 11:17 pm | Reply

  78. Also i love the way you twist articles that you yourself posted. Your claim “Cannabis has been implicated in a string of vicious killings, including the recent stabbing of fashion designer Lucy Braham.” Yet i find it interesting you completly fail to note in the very same article “Surrey police said Cazaly became psychotic and violent as a result of long-term abuse of drugs and the alcohol he had consumed on the day of the random stabbing.”

    How can you p[ossibly state with any clear concience that it was Marijuana that caused this violence and not the WELL WELL WELL documeted violence that stems from the consumption of alcohol? Your deceiving your readers with ill informed and incomplete conclusions

    Comment by Jon — July 27, 2007 @ 11:53 pm | Reply

  79. You really need to scrutinize everything Psycheout posts, especially his sources (when he has them). He picks and chooses what he wants into the blog to twist the facts his way.

    Comment by Brandon Explosion — July 28, 2007 @ 12:07 am | Reply

  80. I would prefer people scrutinize what I write. That’s the point.

    I write, you read, you decide. I correct as necessary. Lather, rinse and repeat.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 28, 2007 @ 12:12 am | Reply

  81. ‘I’m in ur internet doin’ ur searches.’

    Oh noes! Improper conjugation of lolcat!

    It’s like this, Psycheout –
    ‘im in ur internets searchin ur pagez’

    Or, alternatively, this –
    ‘o hai i haz a cite’

    & anyway, the matter in hand – I’m not defending marijuana in any way, but I think that Psycheout’s opened himself up for some criticism here –

    On the subject of bad things to smoke, why has Psycheout chosen marijuana?

    Because it’s a fairly easy target. He associates it with ‘LIEberal RINO treefrog moonbats’, and so it necessarily forms the ‘other’ that he fights against. The fact that it’s associated with hippies just strengthens this connection in his mind.

    ‘We really need to get serious about the war on dangerous drugs. We need more prisons, more prosecutors and stronger sentences with teeth that bite. It’s time to send a message to casual drug users and dope peddlers. If you use or sell drugs you will do time. Hard time. No exceptions. Caught, prosecuted, punished. And no leniency. Dope fiends need to be locked up, not coddled.’

    How many people, Psycheout, do you think will die from smoking marijuana in the next 100 years? Why aren’t you leading your valiant crusade against smoking, which will kill ONE BILLION people in the next 100 years? May I offer a suggestion? Because you can’t score political points to your favour on that.

    Comment by interpreted — July 28, 2007 @ 6:07 am | Reply

  82. I remember reading an article once stating that smoking marijuana causes the brain cells to shrink. If these crazy Liberals do not get off the dope, we are going to have an entire population of brainless people siphoning off Medicare. Even more than we do now!

    Comment by Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett — July 28, 2007 @ 6:14 am | Reply

  83. Here you go Jon:

    Marijuana use and car crash injury

    Acute marijuana use was significantly associated with car crash injury, after controlling for the confounders age, gender, ethnicity, education level, passenger carriage, driving exposure and time of day (OR 3.9, 95% CI 1.2–12.9). However, after adjustment for these confounders plus other risky driving at the time of the crash (blood alcohol concentration, seat-belt use, travelling speed and sleepiness score), the effect of acute marijuana intake was no longer significant (OR 0.8, 95% CI 0.2–3.3). There was a strong significant association between habitual use and car crash injury after adjustment for all the above confounders plus acute use prior to driving (OR 9.5, 95% CI 2.8–32.3).

    Evidently, initial use will not increase your risk of accidents, but habitual use, due to its effect on memory, learning skills and coordination, will increase your odds of car accidents. I think it’s fairly safe to say that it would also increase your risk of other accident-related injuries as well.

    Comment by Lyssie — July 28, 2007 @ 7:05 am | Reply

  84. Dear Lyssie,

    I pray those statistics you give do not lead those people to believe that they have free reign to try dope even once. You know how the Liberals are and unsaved, give them an inch and they will take a mile. Without the scripture they believe everything is worth trying once.

    Everyone knows that if you try smoking Mary-Jane even one time it will lead to snorting cocaine and Lord only knows what else. We really should not encourage them.

    Bless you, Sister, and May you have a blessed day! (One that is free from any MEN trying to impose on you what they think is comfortable or attractive)

    Comment by Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett — July 28, 2007 @ 7:16 am | Reply

  85. Wow who the hell reads this blog Jerry Fawells kids? We have Mrs TD Gaines who remembers reading something somewhere once and therefore has a complete understanding of this complex topic. To help herself feel better about her lack of aducation on the matter, instead of actually doing research and getting facts, she has just decided its easier on her brain and less confusing to her own self image if she just paints it all with a broad black brush and sit there with eyes that focus off in the distance and drool..liberals bad..drugs bad…must not think any more…it causes me discomfort to have my comfortable and safe conclusions challenged by facts. Must be the evil work of liberals?

    Comment by Jon — July 28, 2007 @ 8:42 am | Reply

  86. Lyssie, im curious, have you ever googled the incidence of drivers and having the flu and how it affects driving? If memory serves, driving performence when a driver has a cold was equivelent to a DUI. Since WAY WAY WAY more people drive with colds then they do stoned should drivers with a cold be banned from the highways as well? IF you need me to google this and produce the cite i can just feeling lazy this sec.

    Comment by Jon — July 28, 2007 @ 8:48 am | Reply

  87. Psycheout: No one ever called you a sensationalist, huh? You’re a freaking idiot, plain and simple.

    [Ed Note: We do not allow profanity on our website, even if you’re hopped up on reefer. This is a family website that children can read. So keep it clean. Thanks.]

    Comment by Jay — July 28, 2007 @ 11:53 am | Reply

  88. P.S. With millions of Americans that regularily smoke marijuana (let alone just tried it once…LOOK OUT for the schizos!!! SAVE THE CHILDREN!!!), where’s the mental health crisis? Where is the schizophrenia epidemic??? Oh yeah wait… there ISN’T ONE!!!

    Comment by Jay — July 28, 2007 @ 12:00 pm | Reply

  89. “I remember reading an article once stating that smoking marijuana causes the brain cells to shrink. If these crazy Liberals do not get off the dope, we are going to have an entire population of brainless people siphoning off Medicare. Even more than we do now!”

    Ok. Where’s the article?

    Comment by Brandon Explosion — July 28, 2007 @ 12:26 pm | Reply

  90. Smoking and drinking will do far more damage then marijuana will ever do. Both are MANY time more addictive and dangerous. This is coming from someone who hates drugs. End of story.

    Comment by Brandon Explosion — July 28, 2007 @ 12:30 pm | Reply

  91. this maladjusted diatribe would pack more punch if you sourced it….also, does it raise my chance of schizophrenia from.00004 to .00012?

    Comment by criminyjicket — July 28, 2007 @ 12:35 pm | Reply

  92. IF you need me to google this and produce the cite i can just feeling lazy this sec.

    See what chronic marijuana use does to one’s motivation? Just say no, kids. It’s not cool.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 28, 2007 @ 12:53 pm | Reply

  93. Wow who the hell reads this blog Jerry Fawells kids?

    It’s Jerry Lewis’ kids. See what chronic marijuana use does to one’s long and short term memory? Just say no. Stay in school. Homeschool, if possible.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 28, 2007 @ 12:55 pm | Reply

  94. no thank you. I found it. A suspect study based on flawed science, limited historical research, and what appears may be hope.

    Comment by criminyjicket — July 28, 2007 @ 1:07 pm | Reply

  95. “It’s Jerry Lewis’ kids. See what chronic marijuana use does to one’s long and short term memory? Just say no. Stay in school. Homeschool, if possible.”

    Again stop putting words in my mouth, i have now asked you not to do this for a SECOND time in a very very short debate. I MEANT Jerry FALWELL and i said Jerry Falwell as in the Christain fundamentalist. So please stop telling me what i mean and dont mean. I am perfectly capable of expressing myself with no help from you. I suspect Jerry Lewis smoked more then his share of herb in his life and i have no qualms with him. And i suspect my formal education has exceeded yours. I also suspect that im older then you and find your suggestion as to my lvl of education to be amusing and no small wonder, completly irrelevant to the topic at hand.

    Comment by Jon — July 28, 2007 @ 2:09 pm | Reply

  96. can you clear this up for me..did you mean the recently deceased Jerry Falwell’s actual children? and also, do you think formal education is more important than intellect?

    Comment by criminyjicket — July 28, 2007 @ 2:17 pm | Reply

  97. Jerry Falwells kids was a euphamism for his victims, err i mean followers. Nothing more complicated then that. In terms of education and intellect, I think one very logically but not exclusively leads to the other.

    Comment by Jon — July 28, 2007 @ 2:23 pm | Reply

  98. “It’s Jerry Lewis’ kids. See what chronic marijuana use does to one’s long and short term memory? Just say no. Stay in school. Homeschool, if possible.”

    I wonder if Psycheout was born with the ignorance he exibits, or did he have it surgically grafted into his brain?

    As for the notion of homeschooling, which Psycheout obviously had, nothing’s better than isolating a child from his/her peers for their formative years!
    I mean, who would want their children to have DREADFUL REAL WORLD EXPERIENCES with a HORRIFYINGLY DIVERSE demographic of people?
    I wonder if you are the way you are, Psycheout, because you were constantly sheltered from the outside world in your house. Were you parents your only friends? Or maybe just the computer?

    Comment by Brandon Explosion — July 28, 2007 @ 2:35 pm | Reply

  99. Now that I think about it Psycheout, it probably is for the best that you never leave your house. The real world is far to dangerous for someone as fragile as you.

    Comment by Brandon Explosion — July 28, 2007 @ 2:37 pm | Reply

  100. Are you a Brownback supporter? Please let me know so I can change my party affiliation and vote for anyone but Brownback next year.

    You are a frightening twit, sir!

    Comment by Jesus H. Saloon — July 28, 2007 @ 2:41 pm | Reply

  101. P.S. Ed., you’re right, sorry about the profanity. It’s just you people get me all worked up.

    [Ed Note: We are glad you are here and pleased that you understand the rules. When you comment, pretend that you’re speaking in front of a child. That will help you to curb your language. Getting all worked up is fine, just make your points without profanity and you are welcome. Thanks!]

    Comment by Jay — July 29, 2007 @ 12:31 am | Reply

  102. […] This has been re-Christened “The Cookie Monster Thread.” […]

    Pingback by Adam Nelson’s Very Own Open Thread (aka The Cookie Monster Thread) « Blogs 4 Brownback — July 29, 2007 @ 2:17 am | Reply

  103. […] See also: The Cookie Monster […]

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  104. Adam sounds like he’s had a little too much wacky weed in his day if you know what I mean.

    Comment by La Murrda — July 29, 2007 @ 5:54 am | Reply

  105. Adam sounds like he’s had a bit too much wacky weed in his day if you know what I mean.

    Comment by La Murdda — July 29, 2007 @ 5:56 am | Reply

  106. Lol this is the funniest site ever. I love how pitiful Psycheout is. He’s just being catty because I exposed this retarded website’s views to the Daily Brownbacker at his expense. Well, if you can’t take the heat from your own opinions…

    Comment by Adam Nelson — July 29, 2007 @ 9:34 am | Reply

  107. La Murdda, Yes Adam must have had wacky weed, because we all know its impossible to have different opinions than yours and it makes it easier to dismiss them if you label him a druggie. Sad tactic to use imo.

    Comment by Jon — July 29, 2007 @ 10:26 am | Reply

  108. Instead try doing something crazy and debate his actual points with facts and cites and eliminate perjorative comments that do nothing to further your arguement.

    Comment by Jon — July 29, 2007 @ 10:33 am | Reply

  109. Thanks, Jon.

    Rational debate is not this blog’s strong suit. Insults (Psycheout), lying (Sisyphus), murder (Gaines-Crockett) and general cluelessness (BJ Tabor) are more to this blog’s speed.

    Comment by Adam Nelson — July 29, 2007 @ 10:35 am | Reply

  110. To adam nelson and your story about the time you got high:
    a lot of times, people just can’t handle the thc. especially if you eat 7 cookies. If you eat that many, i imagine anyone would puke from it, even an everyday smoker. When you eat pot, it can easily give you a terrible stomach ache. you probably should have smoked it, and would have had a lot more fun……..

    Comment by twixamundo — July 29, 2007 @ 11:01 am | Reply

  111. this whole website is bulpoo, america is gay

    [Ed Note: Another stoner has spoken, eloquently.]

    Comment by john grosham — July 29, 2007 @ 11:56 am | Reply

  112. “this whole website is bulpoo, america is gay”

    Do not take this website as a microcosm of the U.S.

    Comment by Brandon Explosion — July 29, 2007 @ 8:00 pm | Reply

  113. eloquence is no substitute for content

    Comment by criminyjicket — July 29, 2007 @ 9:09 pm | Reply

  114. […] go on over there and laugh and point.  This post is a perfect example of why one should not post stoned.  It’s as if our very own Cookie Monster wrote […]

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  115. im not stoned and i havent smoked in a year. I smoked pot for two years on and off and im a teenager. It doesnt do anything to you. It makes you giggle and eat food. What’s the harm in that. I don’t smoke anymore because it got old cause you don’t need drugs to have fun. Pot alters your a mind little so what. It makes you chill out and its the user’s choice of what he/she wants to put in thier body. You can;t talk about it if you haven’t done it.

    Comment by john grosham — July 30, 2007 @ 4:31 pm | Reply

  116. LMAO this is the stupidest website i ever read you guys are losers if you truly believe this crap and get a life if your hobby is making BS websites with false info about a harmless drug

    Comment by legalize it — July 30, 2007 @ 4:40 pm | Reply

  117. Marijuana is not “harmless”. Using causes irrepairable(sp?) damage to one’s brain.

    I may be liberal, but that does not dictate one’s views on drugs. Marijuana is disgusting, and I, for one, will never touch it.

    Comment by AutoFire — July 30, 2007 @ 6:41 pm | Reply

  118. I think it’s wrong for society to lie to teenagers about smoking marijuana. I find it frustrating when I hear ads from places like “Partnership for a Drug Free America” running commercials against Pot that just aren’t true. I don’t like it when people warn teens about using “Marijuana and Cocaine” when Pot is almost harmless and Cocaine is a dangerous drug. When people lie to teens about Marijuana then teens assume they are lying about other drugs too and I think they are more likely to do drugs they shouldn’t do. So I think it’s time to come clean and tell the truth. If teens are going to do drugs, they should have truthful and accurate information. So I have decided to tell it like it is. Best decisions are made when the real facts are presented.

    Comment by john grosham — July 30, 2007 @ 7:10 pm | Reply

  119. Marijuana is the safest of all drugs. It is far safer to smoke a joint than to have a beer. Pot is the drug of choice for people who want to get high, but be responsible in getting high. There are people who do no drugs at all, and that’s fine. But for those of you who want to get high and be responsible, Pot is a very good choice.

    Marijuana make most people more relaxed. It relieves the clutter and tension after a hard days work or school. It mellows you out and makes you more relaxed. It heightens the imagination and improves creativity. If you have a problem with anger, Pot is usually a good drug to reduce it.

    Marijuana has other medical benefits. It helps reduce problems with glaucoma. If you have cancer, it reduces nausea from chemotherapy. I had a close friend who died of cancer. His doctor prescribed Pot even though it wasn’t legal. I gave him some and it allowed him to eat food again. This was three weeks before he died. I think the Pot gave him another week of quality life.

    Comment by john grosham — July 30, 2007 @ 7:11 pm | Reply

  120. Pot clouds your mind just as much as alcohol. Stop trying to promote drug use.

    Comment by AutoFire — July 31, 2007 @ 12:32 am | Reply

  121. i love drugs

    Comment by john grosham — July 31, 2007 @ 10:41 am | Reply

  122. One joint is the equal of three cigarettes….telling a teen that pot is bad isn’t a lie (as many people see it as a harmless drug in the short run), it has horrible effects in the long. Saying no to Pot is like saying no to those cigarettes really. I don’t see a problem with the teachers in school telling us that both are bad for you as they both are. Sure, crack and pot are on two different levels in the short run, but both can kill you in the end. And both are an addiction. A problem I find with many people in general is that they only think in the short run. ….

    And yes, you can talk about it if you haven’t done it. Experience may be the best teacher in most cases, but it is not the only one by a long shot. I too am a teen, and have never done any drugs. I do not approve of them. I do however know plenty of people that have, and regret it, and have ruined chunks of their lives with them. You’re right, there are other ways to have [more] fun. And more people should try those other ways. It saves that person and those around that person a lot of headache.

    Comment by La Mona — July 31, 2007 @ 8:08 pm | Reply

  123. yeah 1 joint equals three cigarettes, but the average pot smoker doesn’t smoke 5 joints a day which is equal to the average cigarette smoker so it doesn’t equal out. When all my friends smoked we had a joint every other day; moderation is key, but I knew kids that did it seven times a day and that’s ok because it gets old and they stopped. Pot won’t kill you. You have to be a complete idiot to say pot can kill you cause no one does it thier whole life because they arn’t as addictive as cigarettes. Also it is not a gateway drug because 90% of drug addicts went to church before they were addicts. 90% of them tried a cigarette before they became additcs, also played a sport, chewed gum, drank alcohol. Most still smoke and drink. So yeah weed might be a gateway drug, but so is all of those things then. No one should talk if they haven’t tried it. Most people grow out of the habit of smoking. It doesnt permanantely damage your mind. I know kids where they are smarter when they smoke, weed opens up your mind and enhances creativity. It also makes you see things in new perspectives and you use parts of your brain you never knew you even had. Then if you think it is having a bad a affect on you, you stop and you get over it. If you are addicted to coffee and you want to break the habit, you go through the withdrawl, get some headaches and get over it. Same thing with Pot. All that crap saying you’ll get a mental illness is bull, you need harder drugs than pot to trigger a mental illness. You guys are definetly all genious’s. I’m 15 and I am educating you beyond belief. I love seeing adults feeding kids crap like this, it’s pretty funny, but no offense though.

    Comment by john grosham — July 31, 2007 @ 8:39 pm | Reply

  124. smoking marijuana caused a frog to grow in my head. It started as a tadpole but it has grown into a frog that now guides me via intra-cerebellia croaking messages. Shoosha, my spiritual intra-cranial amphibian guide, told me that Sam Brownback is God’s choice for POTUS. I love him.
    Roger.

    Comment by roger — August 1, 2007 @ 1:46 am | Reply

  125. Wow, people for 1920s-style prohibition actually still exist?

    Comment by Paul — August 12, 2007 @ 11:09 am | Reply

  126. “Marijuana Ruins Your Mind”

    I beg to differ. I know docters who are highly respected in society and do pot.
    I should assume that this article is about marijuana, but alas, I was wrong. It’s about cannabis.

    “A single joint of cannabis raises the risk of schizophrenia by more than 40 per cent, a disturbing study warns.”

    This may be true. But, marijauna IS NOT cannibis. You’re not talking about the same thing!

    “One joint = brain damage. Don’t stick that in your pipe and smoke it or you’ll go crazy. It’s been proven.”

    Again, I beg to differ. I know so many people who do MARIJUANA (NOT cannabis) and are high-esteemed members of society. I am talking about lawyers, docters, bankers… you name it.

    “Amen. That’s the correct and sensible approach. But marijuana just causes addicts to giggle like idiots and chow down on snack food. Right?”

    Yep.

    “Cannabis has been implicated in a string of vicious killings, including the recent stabbing of fashion designer Lucy Braham.”

    This may be true. But again, MARIJUANA IS NOT CANNABIS! Please, get your facts right, a 6th grader could tell me the difference between cannabis and marijuana.

    Comment by Liberal_Lolita — August 12, 2007 @ 11:30 pm | Reply

  127. Pothead_Lolita, I’d have taken you more seriously if you knew how to spell “docter.” Hint: two o’s and no e’s. In high school I had a teacher named Doctor Docter. But I doubt you’re talking about him.

    Marijuana and cannabis are the same thing, you dolt. Are you thinking of “hemp,” perhaps?

    Cannabis sativa, cannabis indica are both marijuana. Are you thinking of some other plant, Pothead_Lolita?

    Comment by Psycheout — August 12, 2007 @ 11:35 pm | Reply

  128. Great rebuttal.

    “Again, I beg to differ. I know so many people who do MARIJUANA (NOT cannabis) and are high-esteemed members of society. I am talking about lawyers, docters, bankers… you name it.”

    “Yeah, but you spelled ‘doctor’ wrong!”

    Comment by Paul — August 13, 2007 @ 3:49 pm | Reply

  129. This is bull excrement. The guy above is obviously a fascist. Filed under “weirdos and hippies” i have a right to call him a fascist.

    Anyway something like 50% of the debate community has had marijuana at some point. Uhh is 1/4 of the debate community schizoid?
    Are they mentally retarded?
    “Cannabis has been implicated in a string of vicious killings, including the recent stabbing of fashion designer Lucy Braham.”
    Are you pooping on me? Stoners dont get violent. The drug eliminates emotion leaving a lot of the time euphoria.

    oh and i love the one stoner guy stabbed ppl “fact” uhh how many non stoners stab ppl?

    8th comment canibis could kill 30,000 um theres no way that report is legitimate. How do they calculate it without a single death from marijuana?

    Ohh and there was no warrant to your claim that Brownback was special and would win the drug war.
    Fanboy

    [Ed Note: Please keep your comments lucid and free from profanity. This is a serious and family-friendly website.]

    Comment by John — August 17, 2007 @ 6:50 pm | Reply

  130. “It’s late, I’m tired, and my ears are still ringing from the plaintive shrieks of Cranky McTeething.”
    Haha… this is a little late in the thread to respond to this, but congratulations! Is it your baby or are you just taking care of it?

    Comment by neutronnate — August 19, 2007 @ 7:08 pm | Reply

  131. With all due respect mate, you’re retarded.

    Couple notes:
    -Unless you’re doing a subtle Stephen Colbert-esque satire (First-time visitor), you’d be wise to not quote The Daily Mail, which has a history of distorting facts and information so long that it makes the Weekly World News look accurate.

    -Notice how the terrible degenerates you use as case studies would probably be terrible degenerates regardless of whether they smoked pot or not?

    -Cannabis is in no way shape or form a dangerous drug. Please see: http://www.americanscientist.org/template/AssetDetail/assetid/50773
    This is an article depicting the lowest effective dose to the LD50 dose (IE, lethal in 50% of the population) of select substances. Unlike your sources, mine is credible. Notice how Cannabis is the safest thing on that list, even moreso than Alcohol? Again, I think your sources are suspect.

    -And no, Salon.com is way more interesting and way more popular than you’ll ever be. If you need proof, please go to: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?site0=blogs4brownback.wordpress.com&site1=salon.com&site2=&site3=&site4=&y=r&z=3&h=300&w=610&range=3m&size=Medium&url=perfspot.com
    Notice how Blogs4Brownback is the tiny blue thing flatlining at the bottom while Salon.com reaches several orders of magnitude more people than you?

    I don’t really wish to discuss this because you’re all evidently far-right big government types who would much rather impinge upon the personal freedoms of others than actually do something useful with your power, so arguing is the definition of futile. So I’ll state some high-larious facts instead!

    Hey. Want to know something hilarious? The Democrats are going to mop the floor with the Republicans in 2008, even if they decide to run a woman or a black dude. And regardless of who wins, we’ll still be able to smoke tonnes and tonnes of pot up here in Canada, despite the demonic shriekings of the White House.

    Actually, want to know something else funny? I just took the massivest bong-hit EVER from my $180 piece of legally-purchased drug paraphernalia. We can actually call them “bongs” up here. It looks like a bazooka. You should try it, you might actually start enjoying life instead of merely trying to end it.

    Dicks everywhere.

    Love from Calgary, Alberta
    Donk Speedonkdonk.

    Comment by Donkspeedonkdonk — August 22, 2007 @ 5:50 pm | Reply

  132. The author of this article is completely uneducated. I wish the death of all ignorant pre-70’s generation republicans.

    Comment by John Harburg — August 22, 2007 @ 6:06 pm | Reply

  133. http://www.abovetheignorance.org

    Comment by Rpotjtor — August 22, 2007 @ 6:14 pm | Reply

  134. reliable research and sucesful drug policy shows that treatment should be increased, and law inforcement decreased while abolishing mandatory minimum sentences

    I AM and ALWAYS WILL BE pro-respnnsible drug use, but it is no secret that the ACTUAL dangerous drugs such as METH should be avoided.

    DO NOT buy into warrantless false biased studdies from EITHER SIDE (conservative OR liberal) and PLEASE find a reliable source of information (OTHER THAN MOM OR DAD) to help you MAKE UP YOUR OWN MIND about drugs.

    Comment by RuoK — August 22, 2007 @ 6:27 pm | Reply

  135. I would like to point this out first.

    “And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food. But beware the devil weed, for it will destroyeth your life and that of others.”
    —Genesis 1:29 (RSV)

    Now I would like to give you something i wrote earlier today.
    This is aimed at someone else who incorrectly stated “facts” about marijuana that were completely falsified, as psycheout does.

    Perhaps the fact that you stated that “In 1999, more than 220,000 people entered drug treatment programs to kick their marijuana habit.” This is grossly, grossly distorted. They didn’t enter rehab to kick their habit, they were forced into rehab by the courts.

    Also that brilliant point that you stated about how “Marijuana affects your brain”. . . well it does have a certain scare appeal. However “According to clinical trial data published this past spring in the American Journal of Addictions, cannabis use — including heavy, long-term use of the drug — has, at most, only a negligible impact on cognition and memory. There was some other important stuff, dude, but I forgot the rest. Researchers at Harvard Medical School performed magnetic resonance imaging on the brains of 22 long-term cannabis users (reporting a mean of 20,100 lifetime episodes of smoking) and 26 controls (subjects with no history of cannabis use). Imaging displayed “no significant differences” between heavy cannabis smokers compared to controls, the study found.”
    Previous trials tell a similar tale. An October 2004 study published in the journal Psychological Medicine examining the potential long-term residual effects of cannabis on cognition in monozygotic male twins reported “an absence of marked long-term residual effects of marijuana use on cognitive abilities.” A 2003 meta-analysis published in the Journal of the International Neuropsychological Society also “failed to reveal a substantial, systematic effect of long-term, regular cannabis consumption on the neurocognitive functioning of users who were not acutely intoxicated,” and a 2002 clinical trial published in the Canadian Medical Association Journal determined, “Marijuana does not have a long-term negative impact on global intelligence.”” Also, “An early study reported brain damage in rhesus monkeys after six months exposure to high concentrations of marijuana smoke. In a recent, more carefully conducted study, researchers found no evidence of brain abnormality in monkeys that were forced to inhale the equivalent of four to five marijuana cigarettes every day for a year. The claim that marijuana kills brain cells is based on a speculative report dating back a quarter of a century that has never been supported by any scientific study.”

    I’m sorry my argument is long, I just happened to use actual facts backed up by data to support my opinion unlike you. Besides, I’m really baked. These jazz cigarettes I scored are really good, man.

    For that wonderful point about “marijuana being addictive” sorry, but it simply isnt true. I’m out of weed now, though, and getting the shakes bad. A day without dope is light night. But I digress. “Most people who smoke marijuana smoke it only occasionally. A small minority of Americans – less than 1 percent – smoke marijuana on a daily basis. An even smaller minority develop a dependence on marijuana. Some people who smoke marijuana heavily and frequently stop without difficulty. Others seek help from drug treatment professionals. Marijuana does not cause physical dependence. If people experience withdrawal symptoms at all, they are remarkably mild.”

    Next, lets discuss the idea that marijuana ” even can cause you to develop mental illnesses”. “There is no convincing scientific evidence that marijuana causes psychological damage or mental illness in either teenagers or adults. Some marijuana users experience psychological distress following marijuana ingestion, which may include feelings of panic, anxiety, and paranoia. Such experiences can be frightening, but the effects are temporary. With very large doses, marijuana can cause temporary toxic psychosis. This occurs rarely, and almost always when marijuana is eaten rather than smoked. Marijuana does not cause profound changes in people’s behavior.” Wow, look at those beautiful trails. I want to kill my family and have relations with their corpses.

    Now? Well now we can discuss the idea that marijuana “lowers the effectiveness of your immune system” “There is no evidence that marijuana users are more susceptible to infections than nonusers. Nor is there evidence that marijuana lowers users’ resistance to sexually transmitted diseases. Early studies which showed decreased immune function in cells taken from marijuana users have since been disproved.” Why does it burn when I urinate though?

    Marijuana is not more harmful to your lungs than cigarettes unlike you say. “Moderate smoking of marijuana appears to pose minimal danger to the lungs. Like tobacco smoke, marijuana smoke contains a number of irritants and carcinogens. But marijuana users typically smoke much less often than tobacco smokers, and over time, inhale much less smoke. As a result, the risk of serious lung damage should be lower in marijuana smokers. There have been no reports of lung cancer related solely to marijuana, and in a large study presented to the American Thoracic Society in 2006, even heavy users of smoked marijuana were found not to have any increased risk of lung cancer. Unlike heavy tobacco smokers, heavy marijuana smokers exhibit no obstruction of the lung’s small airway. That indicates that people will not develop emphysema from smoking marijuana.” The cancer that tobacco causes is from radioactive lead and polonium 210, cannabis is not radioactive, otherwise it dilates the pores in your lungs making it easier to clean them out, the opposite of tobacco. Nice try but better luck with actual data.

    Now let’s talk about the “hospitalization and driving problems” of marijuana users. “There is no compelling evidence that marijuana contributes substantially to traffic accidents and fatalities. At some doses, marijuana affects perception and psychomotor performances- changes which could impair driving ability. However, in driving studies, marijuana produces little or no car-handling impairment- consistently less than produced by low moderate doses of alcohol and many legal medications. In contrast to alcohol, which tends to increase risky driving practices, marijuana tends to make subjects more cautious. Surveys of fatally injured drivers show that when THC is detected in the blood, alcohol is almost always detected as well. For some individuals, marijuana may play a role in bad driving. The overall rate of highway accidents appears not to be significantly affected by marijuana’s widespread use in society.” “Marijuana does not cause overdose deaths. The number of people in hospital emergency rooms who say they have used marijuana has increased. On this basis, the visit may be recorded as marijuana-related even if marijuana had nothing to do with the medical condition preceding the hospital visit. Many more teenagers use marijuana than use drugs such as heroin and cocaine. As a result, when teenagers visit hospital emergency rooms, they report marijuana much more frequently than they report heroin and cocaine. In the large majority of cases when marijuana is mentioned, other drugs are mentioned as well. In 1994, fewer than 2% of drug related emergency room visits involved the use of marijuana.”

    I have not been able to find any facts about “laced marijuana” simply because it does not occur. When you think of it logically, why would anyone put cocaine/pcp onto marijuana if
    A) they wanted their client to come back to them
    B) want to make as much money as possible
    It simply does not make sense. The entire idea behind drug dealing is that you make as much profit for as little as possible. Why would they lace something with expensive drugs? The answer) they wouldn’t.

    So go back and research everything before you post exaggerated facts that are obviously untrue.

    Resources I used: Lack of hippocampal volume change in long-term heavy cannabis users. American Journal of Addictions. 2005 | Neuropsychological consequences of regular marijuana use: a twin study. Psychological Medicine. 2004 | Non-acute (residual) neurocognitive effects of cannabis use: A meta-analytic study. Journal of the International Neuropsychological Society. 2003 | Current and former marijuana use: preliminary findings of a longitudinal study of effects on IQ in young adults. Canadian Medical Association Journal. 2002 | Neuropsychological Performance in Long-term Cannabis Users. Archives of General Psychiatry. 2001 | Marijuana Myths, Marijuana Facts: A Review of the Scientific Evidence. By Drs. Lynn Zimmer and John Morgan. New York: The Lindesmith Center, 1997.

    Oh and by the way, I found another article from the Lancet for you to look over, http://norml.org/pdf_files/Lancet_Supports_Marijuana_Law_Reform.pdf.
    Also please view this, http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3475#5.

    I’d read them myself but I’m really, really stoned right now.

    Comment by trevor — August 22, 2007 @ 6:41 pm | Reply

  136. While there are legitimate reasons for prescribing “meth”-like compounds (adderall, for example), the only reason people smoke jazz cigarettes is to get blotto. And that’s a fact, stoners.

    Comment by Psycheout — August 22, 2007 @ 6:42 pm | Reply

  137. What about the countless people with astigmatisms who get stoned because it corrects their vision? There are four people in the United States receiving medical marijuana from the Federal government (Under Reagan, no less!) because many competent doctors—after exhaustive study—concluded that marijuana is the best solution for their eye problems.

    Cannabis has always historically been used for its medicinal uses. The last seven decades are the only ones in human history where anybody has tried to restrict cannabis use, largely due to political pressure from your government.

    Personally, I know it greatly aids with my minor ADD (At least if I get a good sativa). Just out of curiosity, who are you to say I should not have it (Were I an American citizen, which I’m not, thank Cthulhu.)?

    Comment by Donkspeedonkdonk — August 22, 2007 @ 6:55 pm | Reply

  138. You, sir, are a fool, and Fox News does not count as a source of ANYTHING.

    The slogan, “Fair and Balanced,” is clearly a shining example of irony of the highest degree.

    I’m high right now, and am neither schizophrenic nor am I a criminal.

    I am not crazy or a flaming idiot or a degenerate of any kind.

    Note my flawless spelling and sentence structure.

    Marijuana has done absolutely nothing to my brain.

    My lungs, maybe, but that’s to be expected with ANY type of smoke that you can inhale; cigarettes are worse for you.

    So you can “stick that in your pipe and smoke it.”

    I promise you won’t go crazy.

    Comment by Fark — August 22, 2007 @ 6:59 pm | Reply

  139. I’d read them myself but I’m really, really stoned right now.

    Haha classy psycheout, adding words to the end of my post that I did not say in order to try to gain affection from “loyal followers”. That totally makes you a reliable souce of information.

    Comment by trevor — August 22, 2007 @ 7:02 pm | Reply

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    Comment by Anonymous — August 22, 2007 @ 7:12 pm | Reply

  141. What the heck has America come to? You never see stoners beating the poo out of people, killing people, creating raids of violence. Now I’m not one of those people who is totally up for marijuana to be legalized, but for Christ’s cake with icing, just stop.
    We already know what you right-wing, first class, first served, first close minded meanies to ever be in this world think about marijuana. Stop and at least try to see from the liberals perspective. Can’t do it? Thought so. See, this is what I’m talking about. We aren’t filled with hate, we don’t hate Jesus, God, Buddha, whoever. We (or at least I, a marijuana smoker, and I’m sure almost every other liberal smoker [and maybe even some right-wing smokers too!]) accept other people’s opinions. But what you guys think is just outrageous. Now I see all of you growing up well and going to nice schools, etc. Maybe not. Maybe you were a regular kid, getting average grades in an average home. But that’s not the point. I went to a catholic school where they separated girls from boys, told us that we could not be gay, could not be pro-choice, could not think for ourselves, etc. I fell for all that bullpoop. I live in Washington, a democratic state. Everyone here is open minded and very nice to each other. Everyone respects everyone here. But when I go to other states like Alaska and such, they are possibly the most generic, close minded people I could ever meet. I went into a store that sold beautiful bags, clothing, and so on with my sister, right? These teenagers come in, and say, LOOK AT THIS HIPPIE SHOP HAWHAHWAHW. GUYS LETS GO INTO THE HIPPIE SHOP. Now, this store was amazing. Everything about it was the essence of India. I cant even talk about my opinion on George Bush in Montana without getting yelled at.
    Anyway, I’m getting off topic. Religion and government should not be mixed what-so-ever. Not everyone in the united states is Catholic or Christian. Sorry to break it to you. I’m sorry you all get your panties in a bunch about the ways of other people, but hey, at least it’s not crack! You all really just need to chill out. Seriously, come on now.

    And to the 420channers out there: Keep smoking, buddies. Peace.

    [Ed Note: Thanks for that stream of consciousness babble. Very enlightening. But keep it clean. This is a family website.]

    Comment by Anonymous — August 22, 2007 @ 8:15 pm | Reply

  142. I don’t belive anyone has died in Iraq. Stupid liberals.

    Windmill in my beard.

    Comment by Anonymous — August 22, 2007 @ 8:29 pm | Reply

  143. I don’t belive anyone has died in Iraq. Liberals with naiz agenda.

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    [Ed Note: I think your CD is skipping.]

    Comment by Anonymous — August 22, 2007 @ 8:33 pm | Reply

  144. I really don’t get why you’re bothering with the whole “family website” thing. I would be highly sceptical of any claims about people under the age of 18 (or 30, for that matter) reading this website. Don’t use “family” as a euphemism for “puritan”.

    Regardless, I’m quite impressed Mr. Psycheout hasn’t bothered to respond to my valid and well-reasoned arguments. I guess that’s par for the course in these quarters…

    Comment by Donkspeedonkdonk — August 22, 2007 @ 8:55 pm | Reply

  145. Dude, this was going to make me mad, but then i took a hit from my bong and then i was happy again. Maybe if you smoked a little, you could be happy too🙂

    Comment by George Bush — August 22, 2007 @ 9:40 pm | Reply

  146. AND ANY CURSES.IN JESUS NAME, I COVER MYSELF IN THE BLOOD OF JESUS. I COVER THIS COMPUTER AND THE INTERNET ROAD I TRAVEL IN THE BLOOD OF JESUS. I TAKE AUTHORITY AND DOMINION OVER ALL WEB SITES, WEB MASTERS, WEB DOMAINS, AND DEMONS OF THE INTERNET SUPER HIGHWAY SO THEY DO NOT CROSS MY PATH. I DISPATCH ANGELS AHEAD OF ME TO PROTECT ME.

    IN JESUS NAME, I CUT ALL UNGODLY SILVER CORDS AND LAY LINES.

    AS YOUR WAR CLUB AND WEAPONS OF WAR I BREAK DOWN, UNDAM, AND BLOW UP ALL WALLS OF PROTECTION AROUND ALL HOMOSEXUALS, WITCHES, WARLOCKS, WIZARDS, SATANISTS, ATHEISTS, LIBERALS, DEMOCRATS, SORCERERS, AND THE LIKE, AND I BREAK THE POWER OF ALL CURSES, HEXES, VEXES, SPELLS, CHARMS, FETISHES, PSYCHIC PRAYERS, PSYCHIC THOUGHTS, ALL WITCHCRAFT, SORCERY, SATIRE, PARODY, MAGIC, VOODOO, ALL MIND CONTROL, JINXES, POTIONS, BEWITCHMENTS, DEATH, DESTRUCTION, SICKNESS, PAIN, TORMENT, PSYCHIC POWER, PSYCHIC WARFARE, PRAYER CHAINS, INCENSE AND CANDLE BURNING, INCANTATIONS, CHANTING, UNGODLY BLESSINGS AND HOODOO, CRYSTALS, AND EVERYTHING ELSE BEING SENT MY WAY, OR MY FAMILY MEMBER’S WAY, OR ANY CHRISTIAN MINISTRIES WAY, AND I RETURN IT, AND THE DEMONS TO THE SENDER, TEN FOLD.

    AMEN.

    For serious, cut it out and prove your facts with science.

    I haven’t gotten any dumber since I started smoking, infact, I feel 10 fold smarter!

    It’s like god made it, just for me!

    Comment by Geremy Tibbles — August 23, 2007 @ 10:48 am | Reply

  147. You know, all this talk about pot and how it ruins you, but what about alcohol? It’s right on par with marajuana in terms of mental incapacitation, it can cause a lot more than just brain damage, there are a LOT more alcoholics than there are stoners out there (and subsequently more alcohol-related deaths). I could go on, but you get the point.

    So a simple question. If we’re really looking out for society’s well-being here, why don’t we ban alcohol and cigarettes as well?

    Comment by Shortcat — August 23, 2007 @ 12:09 pm | Reply

  148. I SMOKE WEED EVERY DAY, IT DOES GOOD FOR ME !!!

    Darn LOOSER AMERICANS, JESUS WHOLY heck CHIST, YOU’RE WORSE THAN I THOUGHT !! Darn heck

    [Ed Note: Watch your language!]

    Comment by JESUS — August 23, 2007 @ 12:32 pm | Reply

  149. …If it’s, in fact, Jesus commenting, would #148 still be blasphemous?

    Or for that matter, is it possible for Jesus to microwave a burrito so hot that even he himself would not be able to eat it…?

    Whoa…

    Comment by Donkspeedonkdonk — August 23, 2007 @ 1:02 pm | Reply

  150. OH HECK OH DARN JEE WILLICKERS
    WELL DARN DOODLY JEE
    Who the hell are you, Ned Flanders, Ed? Sheesh.

    [Ed Note: There are a number of fine young people who read this website who do not need to be subjected to profanity. So keep it clean! Thanks.]

    Comment by Anonymous — August 23, 2007 @ 4:15 pm | Reply

  151. GAY NIKIES!

    Comment by Geremy Tibbles — August 23, 2007 @ 5:29 pm | Reply

  152. GOD NO, NOT GAY NIKIES
    Wtf are nikies anyway?
    It’s Nike. Which means Nike plural is Nikes.
    Im sure Ed wears some gay looking Nikes as well.

    Comment by Anonymous — August 23, 2007 @ 5:46 pm | Reply

  153. AHAHAHAHAHAHA….

    heck jesus, i’ll smoke all the weed i want. you are all so darned ignorant. go about you day popping pills to make you feel better and drink your coffee and wonder why your life isnt being fulfilled, darn sillyheads

    Comment by 420 — August 23, 2007 @ 6:42 pm | Reply

  154. Hmmm, maybe you christians need to see why everyone thinks it’s a gateway drug.

    http://tv-links.co.uk/listings/9/5990

    Comment by Anonymous — August 23, 2007 @ 7:48 pm | Reply

  155. Enough with the pointless *channers coming in here and spamming.
    I know that this blog is ridiculous, but you’re just as bad.

    Psycheout, it’s pointless to argue with you about the dangers of smoking marijuana. You’ve got that pre-50’s “oh lawd, marijuana is bad” mindset, and nothing will change that.

    And I’m open-minded. If you were to have some FACTS on marijuana being harmful to you, or even replied to the countless FACTS that Donk Speedonkdonk and trevor posted, i would have maybe seen things your way. But you insist on reiterating everything you say without even so much as addressing any of the facts!
    And you might say you have posted some facts yourself. Where are these medical studies? Can we see some citation?

    I’m not advocating marijuana in any way/shape/form. I’m saying that it isn’t as unhealthy as everyone seems to think (and it’s certainly not one of the most important things in america that needs to be changed). I think America as a whole should be focused towards drugs that are VERY harmful to you, such as Crack and Meth. Heck (why must the editor insist on using ‘heck’?), with this “marijuana is bad” mindset, then alcohol should be banned too, amirite? At least agree that alcohol/tobacco is just as bad, if not worse than marijuana. (or maybe you won’t because of your extreme right-wing “american” views, with alcohol being an integral part of american society)

    Also, i must applaud the editor for letting us stoners have our say in the matter. Although, the whole “young people might see this” is kinda BS, cause I don’t think many young people are interested in politics. Except me, of course. I’m younger than all of you.😀

    Comment by Amphetamine Salts — August 23, 2007 @ 8:09 pm | Reply

  156. Enough with the pointless *channers coming in here and spamming.
    I know that this blog is ridiculous, but you’re just as bad.

    No, they’re worse. Thanks for the couple dozen posts of nothing but screenfuls of profanity over and over and over. That’s really useful.

    Also, i must applaud the editor for letting us stoners have our say in the matter.

    You must. Some of your pals are awful guests. Why not go read somethingawful.com or something rather than posting gibberish here?

    If you prefer to stay, we have a few basic rules of etiquette: no profanity, no spam, no hacking. Thanks.

    Comment by Sam Brown — August 23, 2007 @ 9:03 pm | Reply

  157. Weed is not a harmful drug. normally the whole problem with people getting hurt while high is due to the locations they are forced to use the drug. if some friends and i wanted to go get high we would be forced to drive to a far off location to use it. this means that either we have a DD or we drive high. DD are hard to come by especially in a high school environment. If you want to prevent problems from THC then make it legal so kids wont have to drive way out to the countryside to smoke weed. let them do it in their homes where there safe.

    Comment by Anonymous — August 23, 2007 @ 9:59 pm | Reply

  158. At least the people who post massive amounts of profanity actually receive a response…

    Comment by donkspeedonkdonk — August 23, 2007 @ 10:50 pm | Reply

  159. Sorry, donk. I hope you’re having a nice evening.

    Anonymous, even if jazz cigarettes were made legal, they would not be legal for those under 21 years of age.

    It’s not wise to screw with one’s brain while it’s still developing. Potheads have been trying to get maryjane legal since at least the 1960s. I think you can be pretty sure that it will not happen in your lifetime.

    So in the meantime, you’re breaking the law, scofflaw!

    Comment by Psycheout — August 24, 2007 @ 12:16 am | Reply

  160. I’m Canadian and the law is so unenforced regarding marijuana it may as well be legal. And this is in Alberta, the most Conservative province in Canada.

    What’s your point? Almost nobody trying to get it legalized wants fourteen year olds to have it. And I’m 21, thank you kindly.

    The law is a human construct. Bad laws deserve to get changed. The Drug War is a series of bad laws. It’s time to end it and realize that drug abuse is not a criminal issue, it’s a health issue, and furthermore, drug use does not equate to abuse.

    Comment by donkspeedonkdonk — August 24, 2007 @ 12:33 am | Reply

  161. I’m Canadian and the law is so unenforced regarding marijuana it may as well be legal. And this is in Alberta, the most Conservative province in Canada.

    What’s your point? Almost nobody trying to get it legalized wants fourteen year olds to have it. And I’m 21, thank you kindly.

    The law is a human construct. Bad laws deserve to get changed. The Drug War is a series of bad laws. It’s time to end it and realize that drug abuse is not a criminal issue, it’s a health issue, and furthermore, drug use does not equate to abuse.

    And I most definitely am, thank you! You as well!

    -YIC, Donk.

    Comment by donkspeedonkdonk — August 24, 2007 @ 12:34 am | Reply

  162. Hello, first i would like to sa that it’s a sad blog,
    Only thing you can claim is that cannabis MAY cause mental illness, there is no saying what will happen, you MAY get schizo, you MAY get depressed, in other words, “if you smoke it / bad things may happen, we dont know exactly what they are, but be sure to stay away!” And before bashing stoners and talk about longtime effects, look at Rastas, i am not one, but when i meet people who have been smoking for over 50 years there are variations, some are normal etablised people, some are quite crazy, but on the other hand i know many strange people who have not been smoking pot aswell.Well i for one am a potjunkie, hell i even do shrooms 3-5 times a year when vecationing in Adam, ive been smoking the horrible stuff for over 7 years, now if you ask me how much i smoke, my answer is as much as i can. Well i see the sideeffects, such as i may be unstable and disorganized, but on other hand i feel liberated and privileged. I have however been having trouble finishing my last year of psychology fac, i used to be best in class since 7th grade. It may be the pot, it could be the depressions i had last year, but things got out of control. Yes i will actually put the guilt on the pot, but who has the guilt for the pot? Me, so i am really responsible, remember POT IS A CHOICE. For now i feel that overall pot works great with my life and my image of my world, my reality and my thoughts and feelings, i am quite a happy guy, this year i will finish my masters and start working, smoke pot, buy a car, get a baby, get merried, chew gum.. Those are my choices, my life and my body.. As long as i dont harm anyone i dont what the big deal is, in my opinion No victim – No crime.

    Comment by Rusi — August 24, 2007 @ 1:42 pm | Reply

  163. Rusi, may I respectfully suggest that you get married before you get a baby?

    At least you recognize that jazz cigarettes are having an adverse effect on your life. Citing rastas does not strengthen your case much though. They are pretty nutty to begin with.

    Comment by Psycheout — August 24, 2007 @ 1:52 pm | Reply

  164. Ah, yes, jazz cigarettes. Used by all those crazy negro jazz musicians and greasy Mexican migrant workers; they are causing a ruckus by smoking this “Mary – Jane”. They get crazy and kill people when they’re on dope!

    Hey Psycheout, another parapalegic cancer patient just got put in jail for marijuana possession. I bet you creamed your Teletubbies boxers over that.

    Comment by Paul — August 24, 2007 @ 2:28 pm | Reply

  165. They get crazy and kill people when they’re on dope!

    That’s pretty clear if you read the linked article.

    And “teletubbies?” Are you calling me fat?

    Comment by Psycheout — August 24, 2007 @ 2:52 pm | Reply

  166. You know, only the stupid posts get answers here.
    How funny.

    Comment by Amphetamine Salts — August 24, 2007 @ 4:21 pm | Reply

  167. I agree Amphetamine Salts. 😀

    Comment by Psycheout — August 24, 2007 @ 6:22 pm | Reply

  168. Psycheout, have we not proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that your original article is sensationalist hogwash of the worst variety?

    Comment by donkspeedonkdonk — August 24, 2007 @ 9:49 pm | Reply

  169. do you have ANY proof, i mean at least have foot notes

    Comment by x — August 27, 2007 @ 4:09 pm | Reply

  170. Psychout and Sisyphus need to put their bong down. They alter posts by people who don’t share their views. Couple of real a-holes.

    Vote for Ron Paul. Keep North America white. Support life, peace and equality for all white people.

    Comment by spacebrother — August 31, 2007 @ 11:30 pm | Reply

  171. “Psychout and Sisyphus need to put their bong down. They alter posts by people who don’t share their views. Couple of real a-holes.

    Vote for Ron Paul.” ***Keep North America white. Support life, peace and equality for all white people.***

    Comment by spacebrother — August 31, 2007 @ 11:30 pm

    *** Embellishment to my original post***

    Vote For Hillary Clinton.

    Comment by Spacebrother — September 4, 2007 @ 8:48 am | Reply

  172. marijuana causing mental illness is in itself a very misleading and incorrect assumption. Aside from the fact that I have smoked it regularly for almost 40 years and have yet to lose any of my thought processes (my IQ remains at 172). It has also been shown to help prevent several mental diseases such as Alzheimer’s disease. Try reading the September 5th edition of the Journal of Neuroscience. Here is part of that report for you to ponder:

    “Our results suggest that CBD may protect neurons against the multiple molecular and cellular factors involved in the different steps of the neurodegenerative process, which takes place during prion infection,” authors concluded. “When combined with its ability to target the brain and its lack of toxic side effects, CBD may represent a promising new anti-prion drug.”

    Previous preclinical studies of CBD have shown the compound to inhibit malignant cancer cell growth and protect neurons against alcohol-induced brain damage.

    Other studies have demonstrated that cannabinoids can delay disease progression in animal models of several neurodegenerative diseases, including Alzheimer’s disease, multiple sclerosis, and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (Lou Gehrig’s disease).

    People should know the true facts before jumping on the bandwagon of beliefs started by Anslinger over 60 years ago.

    Comment by Arn Lewis — October 2, 2007 @ 1:29 pm | Reply

  173. The beginning of your blog (which, by the way is totally unimformed)
    “A single joint of cannabis raises the risk of schizophrenia by more than 40 per cent, a disturbing study warns.

    One joint = brain damage. Don’t stick that in your pipe and smoke it or you’ll go crazy. It’s been proven.”

    please show me the report and the studies behind it, I happen to know for a fact that such a study with those results doesn’t exist, so I challenge you to prove me wrong. In all the studies (I mean real studies, not those published for propaganda reasons without any actual research being done) there have never been any “proven” harmful effects of marijuana, yet there are countless medical uses that have been proven, including treating mental disorders, cancer, eye diseases, pain control, even mad cow disease,,, it’s only “harmful” effect is that it gets you high, which is not nearly as distructive as getting drunk. Your whole blog is like the ravings of people like Anslinger, who blamed everything on pot and Mexicans.

    Comment by Arn Lewis — October 2, 2007 @ 1:58 pm | Reply

  174. By the way, I read the Lancet study, I also read where the Journal was investigated and it was found that the researchers falsified documents and invented facts that didn’t exist. This “study” was done 10 years ago and has been rejected continuously ever since. Would you like me to send you the findings of their investigation on the Lancet study? They found the “scientists” guilty of falsifying facts on several of their publications including their study on pot and a seperate study on steroid use.

    Comment by Arn Lewis — October 2, 2007 @ 2:43 pm | Reply

  175. Ann, it’s well known that the pinheads over at the Journal of Neuroscience are a bunch of drug addicts. You can’t believe a thing they say.

    And from what you have left here in our comment thread, it’s obvious you have made up your mind long ago and are just trying to fix the “facts” around your agenda. Nice try, but no dice.

    Comment by Psycheout — October 2, 2007 @ 3:13 pm | Reply

  176. Now, how about some real facts related to the Lancet study:
    The study, conducted in the U.K. and published in The Lancet, a prestigious European medical journal, concluded that marijuana use can increase the risk of psychotic illnesses by 40 percent for casual users and up to 200 percent for heavy users. The findings scared many, and have the U.K. government considering more arrests, tougher laws and longer jail sentences to combat marijuana.

    It sounds bad, but by contrast a study done by Johns Hopkins University found that alcohol increases the risk of psychosis by 800 percent for men and 300 percent for women. The study conducted in The Lancet; however, could not directly link marijuana to increased psychotic illness.

    It did suggest a correlation between the two, but did not find that marijuana was the cause of the increased risk. The Statistical Assessment Service (STATS), a non-profit organization affiliated with George Mason University, looked into the new study and found something interesting.

    They said: “If marijuana produces what seems like such a large jump in risk for schizophrenia, have schizophrenia rates increased in line with marijuana use rates? A quick search of Medline shows that this is not the case – in fact, some experts think they may actually have fallen.”

    What people have failed to see is the difference between correlation and causation. This study uses some correlations between drug use and psychosis that imply that marijuana is the cause of this increased risk, but nowhere can it prove this conclusion.

    What news reports have failed to mention is that in another study on marijuana, published in the same medical journal, it was concluded that: “The smoking of cannabis, even long-term, is not harmful to health. … It would be reasonable to judge cannabis as less of a threat … than alcohol or tobacco.” So just how does marijuana compare to alcohol and tobacco? For starters, unlike nicotine and alcohol, marijuana does not contain addictive properties. Marijuana is also less dangerous. According to The Drug Awareness Warning Network Annual Report, published by the U.S. government, there has never been an overdose death recorded from the use of marijuana. Animal testing has found that in order to ingest a lethal amount of marijuana you would need to consume 5,000 to 40,000 times the amount needed to get you high. To put this in context, with alcohol a lethal dose is only four to 10 times the amount needed to get you drunk. So it isn’t surprising that in 2001 the Center for Disease Control (CDC) found that over 5,841 men and women died from alcohol abuse and alcoholic dependency. The CDC also found that in 2005, 16,885 people died in alcohol related motor vehicle crashes, which accounts for 39 percent of traffic-related deaths. All other drugs, including marijuana, accounted for 18 percent of deaths, but were most often used with alcohol.

    And as for tobacco, the CDC also found that 400,000 people in the U.S. die every year from cigarette smoking. They estimated that one in every five deaths in the US is smoking related. Marijuana has also not been linked to cancer.

    Another thing we hear a lot about is how marijuana is a “gateway” drug. The theory essentially admits that marijuana use is harmless on its own, but argues that it can lead to the use of more harmful drugs. It’s estimated that 20 million Americans have smoked marijuana in the past year, and between 80 and 100 million have smoked it at some point in their lives. For the gateway theory to ring true we would see most of these people moving onto harder drugs, but there isn’t a single piece of evidence to support this theory. In fact, studies have shown that most people start using alcohol and tobacco before using any other drug.

    But the most important aspect of marijuana is its medicinal benefits, which still remain controversial today. Dr. Jerome P. Kassirer wrote about the benefits of medicinal marijuana in the New England Journal of Medicine. He wrote: “The advanced stages of many illnesses and their treatments are often accompanied by intractable nausea, vomiting, or pain. Thousands of patients with cancer, AIDS, and other diseases report they have obtained striking relief from these devastating symptoms by smoking marijuana. The alleviation of distress can be so striking that some patients and their families have been willing to risk a jail term to obtain or grow the marijuana.” Doctor Lester Greenspoon, Professor of Psychiatry Emeritus at the Harvard Medical School, has experience in this matter. He studied marijuana for two years and was shocked to find that it is “remarkably non-toxic.”

    In 1967 his 10-year-old son was diagnosed with leukemia, and had terrible nausea and vomiting with every chemotherapy session. He found that when his son smoked marijuana 20 minutes before his chemotherapy, it completely eliminated his son’s nausea and vomiting.

    Unfortunately Dr. Greenspoon’s son only lived another year and a half after that, but he did so with a vastly improved quality of life.

    On this subject Dr. Greenspoon said: “There is now a growing body of evidence that marijuana is a medically valuable treatment . . . It appears that the medical dangers of marijuana have been vastly overstated while the medical value grossly understated and ignored.”

    If alcohol and tobacco are both legal, more harmful and have no medical benefits, then why not legalize marijuana? Just like alcohol, marijuana should be regulated, taxed, not served to minors, and you should be barred from driving under the influence of the drug. The legalization of marijuana would save this country billions every year, and in fact it would create revenue from taxes. With regulation it would be safe from tampering with other street drugs like cocaine, and would end the violent crime that surrounds it due to the black market trafficking.

    Most importantly though, people who are sick and suffering would be able to get the relief they need. Right now many patients take morphine and other drugs to ease their pain, but these drugs can cause addiction and in some cases hasten death; by contrast, there is no risk of death with marijuana. Let’s end this wasteful prohibition and begin a real workable system of taxation and regulation that will allow people to get the medical treatments that they need.

    Comment by Arn Lewis — October 2, 2007 @ 3:22 pm | Reply

  177. OK,,,since you are obviously misinformed, close minded and stupid, I will leave you and your little blog to those uneducated enough to believe your nonsense,,,lots of luck getting any actual intelligent people to believe you. And my name is Arn, not Ann,,, little high are ya? Do you have the guts to read the findings on the investigation into the Lancets methods of research? I’d be glad to send them to you,,,The Lancet is the one with questionable reliability.

    [Ed Note: You are free to send the info to the email address on our contact page.]

    Comment by Arn Lewis — October 2, 2007 @ 3:35 pm | Reply

  178. [Ed Note: You are free to send the info to the email address on our contact page.]

    why not send it to you right here,,,are you not secure enough in your post to have it put under real honest scrutiny? I am,,, I will also send links to my own blog pages with a complete history of the laws against marijuana, the studies that disprove everything you have said, and the polls that show that today the vast majority of the population, members of the medical field and even law enforcement personnel and politicians are now joining those of us that know these studies were all done under the instructions of government angencies, with the results already decided before the studies were done, and in most cases the studies were never actually done at all, and the findings were exactly what the DEA and other angencies wanted them to be. So it’s up to you, are you secure enough in your views to let me post them here, or are you afraid that I can prove my case where you can’t prove yours.

    Comment by Arn Lewis — October 2, 2007 @ 4:03 pm | Reply

  179. here’s just a few links to findings on the Lancets false studies,,there are many more if you would like them. and I’ll start with one quote from the integrity in science newsroom,, it’s just a little fact never revealed in the study or the news reports on the study.

    “Jeer: to the Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times for failing to disclose to readers that several authors of the Lancet study that claimed marijuana use may lead to psychosis had financial ties to companies that make anti-psychosis drugs.”

    So who do you really think decided the outcome of that study,,,, use common sense to answer that, because you lost this arguement before it started, and smart alec remarks can’t back up your position here,,, so use provable facts and actually copy some of these urls and read the findings against Lancet, perhaps if you become more fully informed you’ll stop being so closeminded. Remember, there is nothing you can say from your own mind that can compete with real facts, and I have all of mine ready,,,do you?

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    Comment by Arn Lewis — October 2, 2007 @ 4:38 pm | Reply

  180. ugh

    Comment by criminyjicket — October 2, 2007 @ 4:41 pm | Reply

  181. I just tried to post several links to the admitted falsifications of Lancet study findings (yes, the scientists involved admitted to falsifying their findings) but it didn’t show up,,, is that because you stopped it? How about this little admisssion from the authors of the study, “Jeer: to the Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times for failing to disclose to readers that several authors of the Lancet study that claimed marijuana use may lead to psychosis had financial ties to companies that make anti-psychosis drugs.”

    so you see,,,it’s all for money, they did the study and published the results according to who paid them to say what.

    Now how about those links,, can I post them or not? They are all from reputable sources including news networks from several countries including the UK who should be defending Lancet, but know that Lancet has overstepped themselves too many times, and from the scientists themselves, who, after being discovered, admitted to falsifying their studies.

    [Ed Note: Patience is a virtue. Any comment with a lot of links always automatically goes into moderation if not the spam filter. So please don’t cry.]

    Comment by Arn Lewis — October 2, 2007 @ 4:50 pm | Reply

  182. Just one little last note here,,, I admit that I cheated a bit on the links, several links refer to the same studies, but if you do a search (AOL) on “Lancet falsified studies” you will find almost 7,000 results with lots of the links leading to stories on the same falsified study, however if you go through them all (I did for about 40 pages) and divide them up you will find nearly 100 different studies that they falsified in one way or another, and this was one of them, and the main concensus is that the report was falsified to abide by the wishes of the psychosis drug manufacturers (also, the same companies that financed the research) who didn’t want canabinoids to be used in place of their own drugs for treating mental disorders that have been shown to be treatable with marijuana or marijuana derivatives. And, yes, you will also be able to find links to the articles where the authors of the report admitted to falsifying their findings. And even domestic studies financed by our own government have discredited that report.

    Comment by Arn Lewis — October 2, 2007 @ 6:00 pm | Reply

  183. “Ann, it’s well known that the pinheads over at the Journal of Neuroscience are a bunch of drug addicts. You can’t believe a thing they say.”
    My name is still Arn, and I sent a link to this to the pinheads at the Journal of Neuroscience. So, if you can’t prove that they are a bunch of drug addicts, then perhaps you should write an apology to them, after all that remark leaves you wide open for a slander suit. Just a way of telling you not to accuse innocent people of being drug addicts.
    Diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the mind can be a dangerous combination.

    Comment by Arn Lewis — October 3, 2007 @ 8:40 am | Reply

  184. I think the people who run this blog are on dope for 2 reasons…..

    1. The content of the headers for the blogs.
    2. They support Brownback who is endorsed by the KKK.

    Comment by Spacebrother — October 3, 2007 @ 1:27 pm | Reply

  185. I did it on Babtists for Brownback, and now I’ll do it here too,,, if any of you silly people have the courage to take on a real person (with a real name even) in a battle of the minds,, I’ll prove you wrong and you try to prove me wrong on each and every one of your silly pages,, Psycheout? Sisy? either of you have any real security in your ability to back up what you say? My mind against yours, think you can handle it?

    first a few rules to be understood and I’m sure all of your readers would agree with them.

    1. no circular logic, in other words just repeating yourself over and over will not serve as proof.Proof means backing up your statements with documented facts, plus showing that those documents haven’t since been discredited or proven to to false as your previous documentation has been, (If I were you I would start looking for a more creditable source than the Lancet)
    2. Insults and smart alec remarks prove nothing, so these will not be used by any of us.
    3. Quotes from the Bible will not serve as proof until and unless you first prove the Bible.(sisy done tried that and it just made him sound rediculous)
    4. Name calling only proves the childish mentality of the name caller, so this will not be used.
    5. Don’t call my sources drug addicts and I wont call yours names. (remember psyche, the folks at the journal of neuroscience now know you called them drug addicts, and I will send that info to anyone else you call a drug addict without proof that they are, Slandering people is illegal, and I will report you to anyone and everyone that you slander on this site, and I will be reading it daily just to make sure you stop accusing innocent people of being drug addicts just because they don’t agree with you, in fact I will start by going through your older blogs and comments to see if you have done that to others, and I will send every slanderous thing you have posted about people to the people you slandered,,hope there aren’t too many of them, because you will have to defend yourself against them too. Some, maybe, in a courtroom, hope you really have all of your proof ready then)
    6. if you don’t take me up on the offer, I will go through every single post on this site and disprove everything you have said so far to the entire internet community, and forever discredit any future belief of anything anyone says on this site (not that much of it is believed by anyone anyway)

    so it’s up to you folks, try to defend a couple of your positions in a rational and intelligent manner,(which none of you have done so far),, or have me discredit everything that you have ever posted on these two sites, and report every slanderous remark any of you have made about anyone (not including those to commenters on the site, if you slander me I can prove you wrong, if you slander another commenter they can prove you wrong, but if you slander a publication, or company or anyone not posting here, I will send that info to them to use as they feel is right, that is only fair, if you lie about someone, they have a right to know about it. so don’t say anything about anyone that you don’t want them to hear, because they will hear,, your days of insulting people and companies behind their backs is over. You play dirty and I will play dirty, you keep it straight and give an honest attempt to prove your points and I will do the same,,,

    I wish you luck,,, This is what you get for posting lies that you can’t back up.

    Ready,,,set,,,,go

    [Ed Note: Does your mother dress you funny? And if you think the JoN people care about anyone joking that they’re drug addicts, the JoN people probably would like to study you. I think the word you’re grasping for is libel, not slander, but even that wouldn’t wash, Arn. So don’t pee your pants if you can help yourself.]

    Comment by Arn Lewis — October 3, 2007 @ 8:26 pm | Reply

  186. you’re right,,,the word is libel not slander, slander is vocalised, libel is written, but either way, you tell lies and refuse to back them up with any sort of proof. And of course I didn’t link that to JON nor would I send them to the others you tell lies about, but it worked, it got you to say something, even if that something was stupid “does your mother dress you funny?” But why say now that you were “joking” that they were all drug addicts that can’t be believed, you originally said it to discredit what I said, which failed of course, you can’t discredit the Journal without much better evidence than saying they are drug addicts.
    Now, does the fact that you finally responded to me mean that you are willing to start backing up your claims with real proof and documentation, or are you still just here to call people names, insult them and continue with your use of circular logic to back up your claims. Hasn’t enough people asked you already to “show us the proof”?
    I seriously doubt that you are mentally prepared for any real debate on any issues, but I’m here when you are ready. You have made claims that have been disputed by your readers, now convince them you are right, with real evidence not smart alec remarks and insults.

    Comment by Arn Lewis — October 4, 2007 @ 8:54 am | Reply

  187. oh fiddle farts,,, you guys are no fun,,, I get you riled then you run away,,, I’m gonna go find someone more fun to play with now.

    Comment by Arn Lewis — October 5, 2007 @ 8:30 pm | Reply

  188. do you ever shutup?

    Comment by criminyjicket — October 6, 2007 @ 1:40 pm | Reply

  189. Wow I just found this site. Is there anyone here with an education level above 6th grade? It wouldn’t appear so by reading the posts. Just curious….how do you explain the very high rate of marijuana use and the very low rate of schizophrenia? If the two are related then phychotic reactions should be higher. The published study used 35 articles out of 4804 and found significant results in 7 articles. That’s 0.1% correlation. Not very convincing. The article itself is only a liturature search and does not present any original data. If this is your “proof” then pardon me while I laugh. Did anyone actually read this or did you just rely on the paraphrasing presented in the editorial that was link as the actual article above? That was a nice trick by the way. You wouldn’t want to link people directly to the article. Well I’m outta here. Its been a real laugh reading this stuff.

    Comment by JoeVet — October 6, 2007 @ 6:18 pm | Reply

  190. I don’t think it is coincidental that one of the main focuses the Christian ministry has with their youth is making sure that they don’t smoke or have premarital sex. Drugs are a sin, plain and simple. In fact, when channel surfing tonight on my La-z-Boy, I saw CNN was airing a story about how opium and poppy benefit the Taliban, and how well Northern Afghanistan is cracking down on those poppy heathens. Also, despite my hatred for all things liberal, Bill Clinton does get points for pushing execution of drug dealers. They all may be going to hell, but at least you know that there is SOMETHING that is a sin. That’s the first step in accepting Jesus.

    Comment by Bob_Corker — October 7, 2007 @ 10:16 pm | Reply

  191. Put a cork in it Cork boy Corker. Bin Laden is your pal.

    Comment by Spacebrother — October 17, 2007 @ 1:26 pm | Reply

  192. NONE! of you people get it do you?

    Comment by mjork — December 1, 2007 @ 7:45 am | Reply

  193. As I began reading this comment thread I began formulating my own argument, but I have since realized that it would be a useless and wasted effort. I have many unkind words for the operators and defenders of this ruddy blog; however, I have seen many sound arguments, namely those by Arn, and even those have been brushed off and sidestepped, so I will keep the majority of these words to myself. I feel a deep sorrow for all who have professed great ignorance, stupidity, and intolerance in this thread. I find it ironic that those who believe this hogwash profess that smoking marijuana leads to mental inadequacy when they themselves are glaringly the least adequate, having neither the capacity for distinguishing credible sources from propaganda nor responding intelligibly to criticism.

    I hope for your sake that your god blesses you with the ability to realize, which you should be able to with the mass of evidence both linked in this thread and readily available on the internet and in published journals, the insignificance of marijuana as a danger to American society. Until then, I weep for you.

    My final words are expressly to Arn and everyone else who has been sensible and/or tried to rectify the gross distortions on this blog: I sympathize with you, but unfortunately will not be contributing any further in your/our side of this argument. I wouldn’t argue with a brick wall and similarly I won’t argue with those whose style of debate is an approximation thereof. I hope you all luck, but I wouldn’t expect any headway.

    Comment by Fareed — December 1, 2007 @ 7:19 pm | Reply

  194. Is this america or what. Im a free man, this is my life and if i want to apply heat to a plant that closely resembles the chemical makeup of my brain then i will. And for those of you keep bringing up the lord, where is he? And where was he when the caveman was around. The budah says its fine so ill listen to him. Sure it makes you a little loony but your gonna be old and crazzy one day anyways to screw it. I know a guy, 70 years old, has dementia and is cooped up in a old persons home cause he cant take care of himself. Depressing yes, but i dont go a day without seeing something that depresses me. Then i smoke and it all is good. Do what you do, smoke or not, but keep your opinions to yourself. At least all the people i know who dont smoke dont have a problem with it, and thats what counts.

    [Ed Note: Maryjane may closely resemble your brain, treefrog, because you’re a dope smoking vegetable. Using drugs to deny reality is not a strength, hippie.]

    Comment by smoker — December 3, 2007 @ 7:26 pm | Reply

  195. ED NOTE: you really should do some research and get a few true facts on marijuana, I am currently involved in a research study being done by UCLA on several areas of marijuana’s medical uses (yes I am a cannibis patient) and it has already been proven over and over again that the proven medical uses by far outweigh it’s dangers, of which there have never been any proven. It has been proven, however, that it is not addictive, it has no long term mental effects other than being useful in treating dementia (something you idiots claim it causes) and it inhibits the growth of malignant cancer cells. (don’t take that as a claim that it cures cancer, it doesn’t, but it does slow and sometimes even halt the growth of cancer cells)
    Ignorance is a crutch. Throw your crutches away and learn the truth. Not that you would tell the truth after learning it, we all know that telling the truth is something you folks avoid like the plague.

    Comment by Arn — December 4, 2007 @ 7:03 am | Reply

  196. OMG,,, ROFLMAO,,, I just read the link to the story that marijuana could kill 30,000 people a year. That is the funniest stuff I’ve read in a long time. The whole idea is based on the number of deaths attributed to tobacco, then compared to the number of people that smoke pot, as if pot kills the same percentage of users as tobacco. That’s like the most rediculous notion I ever heard. But then that report was done almost five years ago. Here it is five years later and still not a single death can be attributed to marijuana use. Guess they’ll need to re-do that report and adjust the numbers accordingly. 0 deaths per year are caused by marijuana.

    Comment by Arn — December 4, 2007 @ 7:52 am | Reply

  197. Arn, i think i understand why these guys are so uptight about marijuana usage. it’s because marijuana cures you of conservatism, and helps you see the truth.

    Comment by Elephant Bones — December 4, 2007 @ 9:17 am | Reply

  198. Without marijuana, marijuana smokers are nothing, and they know this. Therefore, I propose that we enslave these lazy bums, so that they have their usage before they burn in hell. The Bible justifies slavery 100% of the time it comes up, so I think it’s a safe bet to say that God will be very pleased to see the smokers building statues for Him instead of building statues of discarded joints.

    Comment by Bob_Corker — December 4, 2007 @ 7:50 pm | Reply

  199. [ The Bible justifies slavery 100% of the time it comes up, ]

    I would guess no one told Moses this before he helped free the Hebrew slaves.

    Comment by Arn — December 4, 2007 @ 7:56 pm | Reply

  200. I guess you haven’t read what Jesus said about slavery, then. Welfare queens should be working their hineys off, not help keep couches from floating away due to the lack of gravity!

    Comment by Bob_Corker — December 4, 2007 @ 7:59 pm | Reply

  201. Without marijuana, marijuana smokers are nothing, and they know this.

    Nothing truer has ever been said. Bob, you are truly a blessing from Christ.

    Comment by Psycheout — December 4, 2007 @ 8:11 pm | Reply

  202. Psycheout: get an education. Fareed was right up there, you guys are like talking to a brick wall, you already lost this arguement. You have no proof of anything, and we do. And yes, I am involved in a research program right now being done by UCLA to further examine it’s uses in several different medical areas. But long story short, every word said in this post was a lie based on other lies, that’s already been proven and admitted to by the folks who wrote the report your evidence was based on.
    You lost this one hands down, don’t ya think it’s time you went ahead and buried it?
    And to cap the idiosy of corky’s remark and your agreement with him, I am the same person with or without it, and I don’t need it if I don’t have it, so after forty years I can honestly say I’ve never been addicted to it (unlike cigarettes which I have been addicted to) And after seventy years of trying to prove otherwise, there has still not been a single death caused by marijuana.
    This is just ignorance brought on from 70 years of government brainwashing and every single one of their claims have been disproven over and over again, and not a single one of their claims has ever been backed by real research or real evidence. In fact they have all (yes, every single one of them, and I can prove that too) been discredited publicly by real research. Time to get over it now, you lost, admit it. Unless you would prefer to go on a show me yours and I’ll show you mine type deal. You show me any bull you can find claiming to have evidence to pots harmful effcets, and I can show you the proof that they are lying or relying on false information, and link you to the folks who did the real research to do it.
    As of now the statistics are clear

    Number of proven harmful effects— 0
    Number of proven uses— in the thousands.
    If you would like a complete list of its uses I can supply one. But the list is extensive.

    Comment by Arn — December 4, 2007 @ 8:34 pm | Reply

  203. [Bob, you are truly a blessing from Christ.]

    Right, the guy that wants to nuke everything in his path, a blessing from Christ.
    I take that to mean you want to nuke everyone too.
    And Christ would look at this how, with pleasure? Your non belief in Christ and the Bible is obvious. But just to make sure, I’m going to link this blog to every Christian site I can find. See how many other Christians feel this way.

    Comment by Arn — December 4, 2007 @ 8:39 pm | Reply

  204. “Nothing truer has ever been said. Bob, you are truly a blessing from Christ.”

    Thanks, Psyche! So are you!

    “Right, the guy that wants to nuke everything in his path, a blessing from Christ.”

    I’d rather them become Christians, Arn. Nuking them isn’t something I smile about.

    Comment by Bob_Corker — December 4, 2007 @ 8:52 pm | Reply

  205. Liar

    Comment by Arn — December 4, 2007 @ 9:26 pm | Reply

  206. Psycheout grow up PAL, PSYCHE, hahaha so funny. You got me.

    Comment by smoker — December 5, 2007 @ 9:56 pm | Reply

  207. “Maryjane may closely resemble your brain, treefrog, because you’re a dope smoking vegetable. Using drugs to deny reality is not a strength, hippie.” Yea unless your not human i think it will effect yours too. Open your eyes son

    Comment by smoker — December 5, 2007 @ 10:01 pm | Reply

  208. i would never have a puff of that reefer plant

    you could die of heart attack
    get hiv from a sex partner

    or be killed by another maryjane addict

    its gross
    and it kills

    Comment by nevertouchreefer — December 10, 2007 @ 8:14 pm | Reply

  209. Ok so iv often wondered who created pot god or the devil. Well the only plant the bible admits the devil tampering with was thorned plants. We were supposed to pull them up and burn them. Not us. We americans plant roses every year 2.1 people die each year directly from roses. a scratch, some bacteria, and that pretty plant killed two people. Marijuanna kills also. The government is quoted last year one person was killed directly by pot. Due to an allergic reaction to cannibas “not unusual bruce lee was also allergic, a cannabis pill almost killed him a week before he died” traffic related fatalities for 2007, 34,how many cases was the driver of the vehicle under the influence of alchohol as well 30 the other four died walking into traffic or being in the wrong place. stoners arent always aware i never said they were. How many drunks died last year 10,000 how many people died from all drugs 2,500. how many died due to messed up prescriptions, about 30,000. People die each year from nurses and docs going woops. whats the only drug listed on the list of illegal drugs that is next to impossible to od on Weed. Ive heard a man whould have to smoke 4 lbs of raw refined thc in under an hour to overdose. if you havent smoked before imagine trying to smoke a ciggarette a minut for an hour it cant be done you would die from smoke inhalation first. Try to eat more than a few ounces and the anti nausea med will make you puke. So i wonder did we miss the only plant thats an anti psychotic, anti depressant, anti nausea, and say its the devils weed. In a country thats cast off almost all of its moralls in 200 years are we always right? were in wars right now with people whos beliefs have not changed much in 2000 years we have been one nation under god for a little ove 200 and in las vegas prostitution is legal. are we one nation under god or are we the bad guys the bible warned us about. Are we the OWO were her arguing over a seed bering plant. Oh yeah god said to plant those right.

    Comment by Tom — January 10, 2008 @ 4:32 pm | Reply

  210. wow. this is pathetic. cannabis is healthier for you than alchohol is. it doesnt give you brain damage after one joint. it doesnt make you hostile, violent or prone to crime. its not physically addictive. and by far one joint will not give you schizophrenia. that comes from EXTREMELY heavy use over a long peroid of time. if your going to argue that cannibis should be illegal you should also be for criminalizing alcohol, because that is far more harmful to your body and is associated with more violent crimes. nicotine is a much more addictive substance than THC(you can develop a physical addiction to it). and dont say jsut because a couple stoned people commited crimes that every stoner does, cause just as many people do things sober as they do high/drunk. actually, ill name jsut one criminal who did horrible things when sober. hitler. you want another? stalin. one more you say? osama bin ladin. how many stoners rank up there with them?

    Comment by frank — January 13, 2008 @ 4:28 pm | Reply

  211. Ok well just to start I would like to add some scientifically factual information to this debate as well as some personal experience. First of all there is a comment that I find totally offensive, uninformed, and rediculously biased.

    “I know people who have smoked it regularly, and you can tell that they’ve pretty much fried their brains — they’re barely able to string together a coherent sentence (especially without using the word “dude” at least 5 times.) I don’t know if pot makes you dangerous, but it definitely makes you stupid. And I just don’t understand why one would deliberately wish to lower their own IQ.”

    First of all, for your information I am 19 years old…I have smoked marijuana since I was fifteen. I have an IQ of 152, I have a 3.9 GPA, and a job offer for a financial advising firm offering me $150,000 salary once I complete college and get my licenses. I am a very good public speaker and find your blunt assertions to be a sad depiction of your own IQ and it just shows your need to demonize a type of people who you do not understand or agree with. In addition I am a Christian, attend church and volunteer. I value my regligous experiences but I also realize humans were given free will for a reason. I find it an to be a personal insult that you would assume that all people who smoke marijuana are stupid, have fried there brain, are not coherent, or have a vocabulary consisting of no words other than “dude”. Frankly it just shows you have a very low level of maturity and tolerance for diversity. I suppose you also think we should incarcerate all drug users.

    In that case anyone who has had a cup of coffee, a glass of wine, or smoked any tobacco should be thrown into prison. While caffiene is not nearly as dangerous as the latter two, it is still a drug. Since I assume you don’t understand politics and live in your own sphere of reality I will try to explain it to you as best I can. Illegal drugs, marijuana and cocaine especially are illegal, and this is a documented fact, due to racism. First percieved by “cocaine crazed negros” (google it), and then by the mexican workers who were “destroying the work force and our economy”. So I’ll put that in a term you can understand, if you feel that drug users should be imprisoned for excersing part of their first amendment right you are either one of three things: Incompentant, mis-informed, or racist and intolerant. For the sake of keeping this a debate and not making this into an argument I will assume you are mis-informed.

    In addition I would also like to reaffirm my assertion that marijuana does not “fry your brain” or “lower your IQ”. Actually science has recently concluded it has the oppisate effect. THC induces Neurogenesis. For those of you who don’t speak scientific langauge it means that, THC actually increases the rate at which brain cells are produced. Don’t take my word for it though…

    science: Study shows marijuana increases brain cell growth.

    In addition for the people on this board that claim to be Christian, do think Jesus would deny medicine to the terminally ill? Oh thats right marijuana is a dangerous drug with no benifical medicinal purposes…

    Marijuana Cuts Lung Cancer Tumor Growth In Half, Study Shows.

    Ok now that I have that topic covered I would like to move on. My next focus point: Freedom of Choice. Remember, and this is for those Christians here, God gave us free-will. Do you claim that you know better then God, and that we should persecute and incarcerate people for doing what God gave us the right do to just because you don’t approve of it? This great country, of course I am talking about the United States was founded on the basis of not being persecuted for their personal choices authority figures disapproved of. I suppose you may find that if you went to China’s top government officials would agree with you, we must eliminate all behavior deemed as “bad”. Thank God we don’t live there though, but if you continue to live with your current philosophy I would suggest moving to China. They are very good at destroying personal liberties, but don’t be suprised if you are persecuted there for your choice to practice Christianity and to worship God…they do that too. You don’t have the authority, nor the right to decide what is best for people.

    I pity the people who are fooled by the mass propaganda perpetrated by the psuedo-sciences. In addition, I notice that while most people here focus on the “harms” of marijuana no one really mentions heroine or cocaine, two drugs that are FAR MORE DANGEROUS and ADDICTIVE that any substance aside from nicotine(the most addictive drug known to man;yes it is legal). If you truely want to protect your children maybe you should focus on things that might actually kill them. No I do not mean 50 years later of chronic use, from developing lung cancer, but from a single use that could result in an OD due to the complete lack of restrictions or oversight. That doesn’t even factor in addiction rates.

    Next focus point: Alcohol. My mother is a recovering Alcoholic. She has been for 5 years. She was addicted to this heinous substance for over 30 years. Again why is it legal? There is a very easy chance to suffer alcohol poisoning especially for inexperienced users while marijuana is literally impossible to OD on. The amount of marijuana that would need to be consumed would be equivilant to being locked in a cube with roughly 40,000x the smoke of 1 marijuana joint. Even this is not possible since asphixiation would occur long before the marijuana would be able to react within the body to produce a fatal dose. Yet this fact is sadly over looked when examining the harms of marijuana. It is true that prohibition did not work for alcohol, as was seen during those years, and suprise, suprise, lead to a massive increase in gang violence as the profit margin sky-rocketed overnight.

    Guess why there is an illegal drug market even with hundreds of billions of tax dollars used to fight a way against them, which usually does nothing to drug market, but only serves to allow for persecution of minorities as seen in government arrest statistics. If it isn’t obvious, some people do not have value for human life and find drugs that they can sell from their home or street corner for 9-10 hours a week and still make as much as a white-collar worker who legally works a 9-5 job, 40 hours a week and it is easier. If I told you, you could make $5,000/month to stay at your home and sell coffee, or you could work a 9-5/40 hour week for $10/hr what would you do. The only reason you object so strongly is that these items being distributed are not harmless coffee, but other substances. It is a highly profitable business and I know people who have paid their way through college with it. While it may not be the most moral thing to do, it is extremely profitable and worth-while for those who assume the risk. That associated risk is why the prices of these drugs are high, and the profit margins higher. If these “deadly, evil” drugs were legalized, atleast we could be sure that it is a pharmacist or doctor who is selling, proscribing, or preparing these substances instead of a heroine addict who is short on cash, and cuts (mixs) drano with their “stuff” and this is just one way people die due to this senseless prohibition.

    To be honest I could go on for about another 5 hours talking about the harms of prohibition, its illegality, and the mess it has caused financially and health wise, but educating people who for all I know are ignorant and do not wish to believe facts I will end this by saying I look forward to all replies, but ask that if you criticize this post, you have REAL facts to back them up, not just your assumption. Remeber people assumed that the Earth was flat, and that was taken as a fact. The same is true for marijuana destroying brain cells. Both proven false. In short thank you for your time reading. I look forward to some thought provoking discussions.

    (Note: I also would like to apologize if I seem harsh or overly critical, but I have done extensive research, coupled with real life experience. Also for the record I have not used any other illegal substance aside from marijuana, and refuse to touch alcohol, but I respect each individuals right to do what they want with their body, it is their choice.)

    Comment by Just the Facts — January 14, 2008 @ 9:54 pm | Reply

  212. To view links please copy/paste link w/o the period at the end, it won’t work if you just click the link, sorry for the mistake.

    [Ed Note: Yet another reason to embed your links.]

    Comment by Just the Facts — January 14, 2008 @ 10:04 pm | Reply

  213. People do a pretty good job of being violent and psychoic without drugs. It’s pretty clear that those who smoke and then become psychotic were already suffering from a condition before they touched cannabis. Smoking just made it much worse. People with mental instablities shouldn’t touch drugs, that’s definitely true.

    But people who are mentally stable will not turn into homocidal maniacs after smoking a joint. Compare a group of young men who smoked cannabis with a group who got drunk. Obviously, the drunken group, who got high off a completely legal substance, are far more dangerous. Alcohol has resulted in countless incidents of violence, many times lethal. And yes, it’s totally legal. Whatever your stance on cannabis is, there is no getting around the fact that the law is hypocritical by keeping alcohol, a potent, powerful drug, legal.

    And I didn’t even get to nicotine.

    Comment by JJ — January 20, 2008 @ 11:36 am | Reply

  214. These people who honestly think marijuana is a drug that people get loaded on and go commit crimes are dumb. If it was a bad drug it wouldn’t be a misdemeanor. People who smoke it aren’t criminals, and if they are criminals its not because they smoked pot its cause they are criminals. just because they are under the influence doesn’t mean that is why they commit crimes. Every person i have ever smoked with has been a regular person who has a job and is a functioning part of the society. i know politicians that smoke weed. Here are some well documented facts:
    Cause of death
    Tobacco: 435,000 deaths
    Poor diet and physical activity: 365,000 deaths
    Alcohol: 85,000 deaths
    Microbial Agents: 5,000 deaths
    Toxic Agents: 55,000 deaths
    Motor Vehicle Crashes: 26,347 deaths
    Adverse reactions to prescription drugs: 32,000 deaths
    suicide: 30,622 deaths
    incidents involving firearms: 29,000 deaths
    homicide: 20,308 deaths
    sexual behaviors: 20,000 deaths
    all illicit drug use, direct and indirect non steroidal anti inflammatory drugs such as aspirin: 7,600 deaths
    Marijuana: 0 deaths
    This confirmed information for the year 2000 in the USA is from: http://www.drug warfacts,org/causes.htm
    If marijuana had chemicals how does it grow 100% naturally? Marijuana does not turn people into criminals, these criminals are all ready criminals before they smoke. Get to know marijuana before you talk trash on it. it does way more good than harm.

    Comment by jacob — February 10, 2008 @ 11:09 am | Reply

  215. try something before you have an opinion on it. You cant have an opinion on France or New Zealand for example as a country if you have never travelled there. I know CEO,S who smoke ounces of home grown bud and many people in hight positions who are esponsible users. ***Impolite Word Removed*** the maerican government anyway they have lied about many things so why believ the ***Impolite Word Removed*** printed here. Want to see what really kills, guns, alcohole, prescription drugs which most people who are anti weed are poping left right and center.

    Comment by architect — March 13, 2008 @ 12:22 pm | Reply

  216. miss T D Gaines Crocket is full of ***Chrisitan Love***. read her comment at the start. Its not holding a loaded gun to your head, this is uninformed and she has been indoctrinated by the system to believe the ***Chrisitan Love*** that comes out of her mouth.

    Comment by architect — March 13, 2008 @ 1:57 pm | Reply

  217. Let’s make alchohol illegal too!
    By any definition alchohol is a mind altering drug. How much spin does it take to make some mind altering drugs illegal while serving perfectly legal cocktails in the whitehouse.

    Comment by Valentino — March 22, 2008 @ 9:16 pm | Reply

  218. i once had a friend who was doing marijuana all the time it was very disappointing. It was like watching all of his motivation go down the drain. I’m serious all he cared about was smoking more pot that what he did everyday for moths on end. It was terrible when his family found out we had grown very far apart. he really didn’t want to talk about anything any more unless it involved smoking. it eventually got to the point when i was trying to tell him that it was bad for him but he didn’t want to listen. this eventually escalated then we got in one little fight and my mom got scared And said you’re moving with your aunte and uncle in bel-air I begged and pleaded with her the other day But she packed my suitcase and sent me on my way She gave me a kiss and she gave me my ticket I put my Walkman on and said I might as well kick it First class, yo this is bad, Drinking orange juice out of a champagne glass Is this what the people of bel-air living like, Hmm this might be alright! I whistled for a cab and when it came near the Licensplate said fresh and had a dice in the mirror If anything I could say that this cab was rare
    But I thought now forget it, yo home to bel-air I pulled up to a house about seven or eight And I yelled to the cabby yo, home smell you later Looked at my kingdom I was finally there To sit on my throne as the prince of bel-air

    Comment by Wha Ha — March 28, 2008 @ 11:16 am | Reply

  219. I have been smoking marijuana for 20 years. I have absolutely no brain damage. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t brain damage that got me to start either.

    I have smoked with hundreds of people, none of which have schizophrenia, so I can tell you from personal experience that your statistic is completely wrong.

    The falseness of your article is incredible to me.

    Comment by Jeff — April 3, 2008 @ 9:41 pm | Reply

  220. comment number 211 is the only thing worth reading on this site

    Comment by Jeff — April 3, 2008 @ 9:48 pm | Reply

  221. This is amazing, I had no idea that ignorance of this magnitude existed on the internet. If you want to be taken seriously perhaps instead of quoting vague scientific studies, you should provide links to where those studies make such sweeping conclusions. Otherwise, you’re just pandering to an audience that agrees with you already.

    Actually, you know what, I’ve read a few of your comments in this blog, and honestly, there’s no hope for you. Please uninstall life, and die in a fire.

    Comment by Slothen — April 17, 2008 @ 10:08 am | Reply

  222. I would love to see the studies supporting this ridiciulous bull you’ve put up. Marijuana is literally a miracle plant which is shown to stop the growth of cancer cells amoung many other benifits. The depth of brainwashing in this country is insane. You take drugs all the time that are far more harmful than marijuana. Over the counter drugs are responsible for more deaths than all illegal drugs combined. Alcohol which is very legal is far worse for you than smoking marijuana, you ignorant fools need to actually do some research. Just because the government puts out a study doesn’t mean it is true. The government backed research on MDMA a few years back was repealed because it was totally false. (remember the “ecstasy burns holes in your brain” yeah that was total bull. look it up, that guy didn’t even use MDMA in his study, it was with methamphetamine (which is legally available through perscription for ADD and ADHD [brand name desoxyn] you guys are complete morons.

    Comment by Evan M. — June 6, 2008 @ 8:34 pm | Reply

  223. We live on the ghosts of the past.” meaning that every thing that we do is made possible by the ideals and actions of those before us, however what if dose those same ideals and actions were made hinder us? Such as Amendment Eighteen of the United States of America constitution , the prohibition of alcohol ratified January 16, 1919. When consuming of alcohol was made illegal its uses where still rampant and demands for it on the black market where strong even after all the native propaganda and arrests of alcohol related gangs. My great grandfather was arrested and know for in the time of prohibition off make alcohol out of corn and using a corn leafs to sample his alcohol. Amendment twenty-one ratified in December 5, 1933, fourteen years later allowed the possession and distribution of intoxicating liquors. Creating new jobs, increasing tax revenue, and freeing jail space, and overall allowed one to drink. But we the people are still oppressed by the people of 1930’s for they give one right to take one away with the marijuana Tax of 1937. After the Pancho Villa incidents Mexican-Americans immigrants where being identified and stereotyped as marijuana users do racism and negative propaganda that named marijuana not by its English name by its Spanish name, “marihuana”. When “marihuana” was outlawed in Texas in 1919 the same time as Prohibition a senator said on the floor of the Senate, “ All Mexican are crazy, and this stuff (Marihuana) is what makes them crazy.” If America is willing to give her people the opportunity and responsibility to drink by way of the Repeal of Prohibition, then I do believe that the Marijuana Stamp Act should to be repealed, to the same effect of creating new tax revenue, opening jail space, and permitting the possession and distribution of marijuana. As in the Prohibition of alcohol the marijuana usage is now rampant and the black market demand for it is also strong. We the people are willing to run the risk that come with alcohol such as alcohol poisoning, blackouts, and drink drivers to which of one I have lost a family member. Yes, I have a dream that just as this deadly drug known alcohol has been legalized for recreational uses that one day marijuana will be the same. For all the bad one can say about marijuana, there’s way more bad that can be side about alcohol. With heavy drinking cirrhosis of the liver, Alcoholism, fetal alcohol syndrome, increase risk of cancer, pancreatitis, epilepsy, alcoholic dementia, heart disease, nutritional deficiencies, sex dysfunction, death. This is what the worst they have to say about heavy smoking or consumption of marijuana increased hart rate, lowers sperm count, suggested but not proven to cause lung cancer and repertory infections, impairs concentration, lowers the immune system, may cause anxiety to an inexperienced smoker, however compared to a cigarette still believed to be safer. For every drink an alcoholic takes, an pothead will take a puff and at the end of the night I bet you the pothead will walk a straight line, he might be laughing but he’ll walk it. Some might say that marijuana has medical benefit, I dare you to say that to a kid too sick to eat basically dieing of cancer, but after he smokes that join he’ll ask, “Daddy make me a sandwich!”. Some might also say you become a killer if you smoke weed, people have killed without drugs. Others might say that if you smoke marihuana you’ll go crazy with schizophrenia I’m no doctor, but I do believe people have gone crazy without the use of drugs. If the smoker hears that every forty-five seconds in the United States there is a pothead getting arrested for possession of marijuana, then paranoia and schizophrenia may set in. Henry Ford made a car out off nothing but marihuana, the plastic made from marijuana Ford clamed was ten times stronger then steal and the gas it ran on was also made from marihuana, ahead of his time Henry was already thing green! The first drafts of the U.S. Constitution was written on hemp papers, U.S. currency was at one time made of hemp, the Untied States at one time even accepted hemp as a from of tax payment, and at one time United States would arrest farmers for not growing hemp. When the Marijuana Tax Act was sighed, many of the congress men at the time had stalk and shares in cotton when nylon was just being made from cotton, so they wanted to see cottons main rival the “hemp industry” wiped out. Cotton was not the only industry treated by hemp, plastic, gas, paints, tiles, clothing, paper, alcohol, and yes even the big tobacco companies wanted marihuana out of the picture. Yes, Mary Jane was not made illegal to protect you and I, for the would have done the same to alcohol and tobacco, but they did it to protect big corporations from, “Reefer Madness” now tell your children! My two favorite quotes former President of the United States of America Bill Clinton, “ I put it to my mouth, but I did not inhale!” and , “I did not have sexual relations with that woman!”. We know Bill be lying!

    Comment by Santi Stoner — June 9, 2008 @ 6:36 am | Reply

  224. MARIJUANA IS GOOD FOR YOU
    it can cure every sickness known to man even cancer, but in order to do that you would need to make hemp oil
    just search hemp oil and you can find out
    the government is making so much money off of marijuana being legal
    piss tests – you have to pay for them
    fining ppl – its a 5000$ fine in kansas
    pharmacys making drugs that have WAYYY more bad symtems then marijauna and selling them when some of them lead to death
    MARIJUANA CANNOT HURT YOU IN ANYWAY
    it can help you focus
    there are 2 kinds – one that makes you hyper and one that makes you relaxed (one type to wake up and one type to go to sleep and sleep well)
    its like god gave us this plant to use
    you can make 80% better ethenal with it than you can with corn and it creates 60% less polution!
    you can make clothing and paper!
    you can even eat it and be heathly
    it makes you happy
    it boosts your immune system and eyesight
    your brain becomes MORE active then when your not high!
    the government has LIED to us so they can make money! they once said that men well grow breasts if they smoke it
    IVE BEEN SMOKING IT FOR 2 YEARS AND I DONT HAVE ANY
    this plant is a great plant and i believe we should benifet from it not throw it away like it doesnt exist
    there have been ZERO deaths from marijuana
    if you dont smoke marijuana reaserch the marijuana truth and find out the truth you might actually give it a try

    Comment by 420 — July 28, 2008 @ 10:53 pm | Reply

  225. even if you still think its bad for you just think about this….

    why should we be putting people in jail and fining them for something that wont hurt others and only themselves…. something that THEY choose to do knowing the risks and/or benifets of it…. people should be able to choose for themselves what they feel is fit for there body not the government

    Comment by 420 — July 28, 2008 @ 10:58 pm | Reply

  226. Every major government commission report on marijuana from around the world over the last 100 years has concluded that marijuana prohibition was based on racism, ignorance, and nonsense. They all said the marijuana laws should have been repealed long ago because they do more harm than good. They all said that marijuana is not a significant danger to health, even when used regularly for decades.
    Major Studies of Drugs and Drug Policy – http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/studies.htm

    Comment by Ryan — September 25, 2008 @ 8:09 pm | Reply

  227. sometimes people will tell you only the facts
    that portray their point and not the whole picture

    TV is not god

    Comment by astrid — January 27, 2009 @ 2:59 am | Reply

  228. Are all you Reagan-Jacking idiots suffering from brain damage?!?! DO SOME FUCKING RESEARCH BEFORE YOU RUN YOUR MOUTHS. Usually I’d educate morons like you, but i hope you all writhe in ignorance! Seriously, I hope all of you idiots die in a fire.

    Comment by DRZA — July 31, 2009 @ 10:03 pm | Reply

  229. I smoked a joint a month ago, threw up everywhere, and am still high because all of the THC is trapped in my fat cells im afraid ill never be normal again.

    never do drugs, EVER it will kill you no matter what guize!!!!!!

    lol, that will never happen. smoke weed every day it can’t kill you and with responsible use is just as safe as everyday living without drugs. and dont start with weed makes you stupid; i go to one of the best high schools in the county and have a 150 IQ.

    all you conservatives have to loosen up, chill out, light up, and smoke more (weed of course).

    Comment by balls — July 31, 2009 @ 10:52 pm | Reply

  230. wow, the wing nuts have totally lost it

    Comment by Nikki — September 3, 2009 @ 12:53 pm | Reply

  231. Hello ,

    Just passing by to say that THIS ED or whatever is A F…ING liar and A F…ing politician… By the way why is marijuana illegal ??? You know what… Because its OPEN MINDER !!! SO ED F..CK YOU AND YOUR STUPID IDEEAS… YOU KNOW WHEN YOU SMOKE YOU ARE THINKING BETTER AND YOU ARE THINKING HOW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE EAT ALL THE SH!T FROM THE WHITE HOUSE….

    I am from Romania a poor country with so many peoples!!! but i`m proud that i`m smoking and i`m not WORKING FOR THE STATE !!!😉 … We all give money to the State .. WHY ??? it`s our land and this is just a game for they so they can have what to take home😉 !!!

    KIDS I SMOKE FOR 6 YEARS AND I`M FEELING OK !!! SO DONT LISTEN TO THIS STUPID ED

    SMOOKE WEED !!! AND DONT LISTEN TO THIS ED !!! HE IS STUPID ! VERY STUPID !!

    GREETINGS FROM EUROPE !!!

    PS: FROM WEED YOU CAN MAKE… PAPER , ECO FUELL , AND many moore…

    Comment by FackAmerica — November 11, 2009 @ 11:30 am | Reply

  232. AMERICA YOU SUCK !!!! WITH YOUR STUPID IDEEAS

    Comment by FackAmerica — November 11, 2009 @ 11:32 am | Reply

  233. SEARCH !!! this text its not for all the americans only 80 % …

    WHAT THE GUVERMENT SAYS ALL THE PEOPLE BELIEVES…

    JUST LIKE THE 2012 dOCUMENTARY … funny things !!:))

    America PANICK !!!! We all gonna die in 2012:)))

    Bull.sh!t !!!

    ED DONT SELL THIS FAKE DONUTS TO US !!!

    I BET YOUR KIDS SMOKES WEED…

    Comment by FackAmerica — November 11, 2009 @ 11:36 am | Reply

  234. Politicians are 10 years behind the times when it comes to hemp use. People have been fighting for a long time against marijuana and pot prohibition with some movement going on now. Still too slow for those caught up in the jail system for possessing a little weed. Our freedoms have been trampled on by folks who know nothing about how beautiful cannabis can be for someones life, if one learns how to grow cannabis. Keep up the good work.

    Comment by Eco Green — November 30, 2009 @ 6:21 pm | Reply

  235. Honestly, you should all get a life. You make it sound as if Cannabis actually sprouted arms and legs and gave a knife to some random guy, while whispering “stab a pregnant woman” over and over. Marijuana does not make you do stupid stuff, the MURDERER does. You cannot blame actions on drugs, when it was the persons choice to do the drugs in the first place. And as you said, they had been doing this for a long time, so they have built some tolerance to it and have managed to function normally on a daily basis. You’re just looking for reasons why marijuana should remain illegal.

    Comment by Taylor Danna — December 18, 2009 @ 11:06 am | Reply

  236. You know if I was not aware that you obviously just wrote this to make stoner’s mad and get you lots of comments I might be offended. There is no way that you can possibly believe the crap you are spewing on here in this day and age, and if you do then I will have to assume you have spent your life under a rock somewhere. I hold a full time job (been there 7 years) my boss loves me, I also have a wife and two kids with another on the way. All my responsibilities are taken care of. We pay taxes,go on vacations, take the kids to the park, make sure their schooling gets done etc…. Does it really sound like a stoner’s life is that much different than yours? By the way I am also a christian and believe god loves me just as much as you. I also believe Jesus would be a little more tolerant to other peoples feelings and opinions than you. Anyways you have a blessed day and I hope you manage to find your own happiness in life so you can stop hating on others.

    Comment by Guerillagrowfare — March 23, 2010 @ 10:20 pm | Reply

  237. I personally do smoke marijuana and im fine with people who don’t do it. I am however not fine with people who call it stupid and tell us its a sin without actually knowing what cannabis actually is. People who’ve mentioned they’ve smoked once are wrongful to suggest that its terrible because they had a bad trip or too much. Since when do you rate something on the basis of one experience. Lets say I go driving for the first time and get into an accident it would be faulty reasoning to say that driving is terrible, everyone who does it is stupid. Also the gov is going to invent as much bullshit as they pull out of their asses to put down marijuana. Look at its history in the USA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2LnEQFgUL4&feature=related Think about it. Talk it over.

    Comment by Goingbeyondwhatis — April 25, 2010 @ 5:59 pm | Reply

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