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July 6, 2007

Sam Brownback’s Iraq Solution

Unlike other politicians and Presidential candidates, Sam Brownback is thoughtful enough and brave enough to suggest an alternate course for the ongoing struggle in Iraq. We should pay attention and give his plan careful consideration. Tell me this isn’t Presidential material:

Ideas are plentiful in presidential campaigns — some very good, many of them bad. Regardless of a candidate’s philosophical bent, when one of them puts forth a solid proposal, it is time to listen. Such is the case with the suggestion of Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., and Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., to extricate the United States from Iraq without going to either of the two extremes of immediate troop withdrawal or victory by insurgent rebels. In both the Republican and Democratic presidential debates, Biden and Brownback are showing us a way out of Iraq, if only we would listen.

The Biden-Brownback plan would assist Iraq by giving each of the three ethno-religious groups — Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds — a substate under the overall federation to pursue their interests. In effect Biden and Brownback would create a sort of “United States of Iraq.” The plan would end the oil feud by dividing revenue equitably among the three groups — a cheap price for us to yield, given oil’s estimated $15 billion annual value, versus our paying more than $100 billion a year for the war (we were wrong that oil would pay for the war).

A United States of Iraq. I like the sound of that. It sounds like the tolling of the Liberty Bell.

Brownback stated, “I have been endorsing and speaking often around the country about this notion of a federated system in Iraq, of the need for a three-state, one-country solution, with Baghdad as a federal city, where we have a Sunni area, a Shia area and a Kurdish region…. This sort of sectarian division of areas is allowed in the Iraqi constitution. The Kurdish area is (already) being operated by the Kurds. The oil revenues,… equally divided up around the country, are the glue to hold this system together…. I urge the (Bush) administration to push this, and even bring these leaders together in-country or outside of the country to push this form of political solution.”

Senator Brownback has been talking about this solution for quite some time. Have you been paying attention? But can such a plan work?

This concept has worked before — in Bosnia. A decade ago, Bosnia was being torn apart by ethnic cleansing. The United States intervened decisively to keep the country intact by dividing it into ethnic federations. Muslims, Croats and Serbs were allowed to retain separate armies. With the help of the international community, Bosnians have lived the past 10 years in peace. They are in the process of strengthening their central government and disbanding their military forces.

The more Brownback speaks, the more Presidential he sounds. But will Republican voters break the RINO spell cast over them by the pretenders, the current front-runners, known collectively as Rudy McRomney? Will they pay attention to the one true principled conservative Republican?

I have faith in G-d and the intelligence of the American voter. Brownback continues raising campaign contributions and quietly running a successful (slow and steady) race. Sam Brownback needs to cut through the veneer of MSM lies and distortion but it is no easy task. When the American people are able to hear the good Senator’s message I know that they will make the right choice.

— Psycheout

29 Comments »

  1. This isn’t Presidential material.

    Comment by Curious — July 6, 2007 @ 5:44 pm | Reply

  2. Funny how your “future Prez” is losing because the media lies, apparently. What a load of crap. Your candidate is losing (terribly, I might add) because his ideas are not popular, pure and simple. He is far behind the race, and has zero chance of winning his candidacy, let alone the presidency.

    Comment by Adam Nelson — July 6, 2007 @ 7:48 pm | Reply

  3. Makes sense. After all, the best possible thing for the middle east would be to separate all the religious groups into small areas. After all, there’s no possibility that they’d want larger areas and try to kill each other with bombs that can only hurt infidels because they know none of their people live in heathentown.

    This three-state thing is a terrible idea.

    Comment by Salmo — July 6, 2007 @ 8:04 pm | Reply

  4. The article makes it sound like Biden and Brownback actually worked together on this. If that’s the case, I guess I didn’t know that. I had a post on my blog the other day as if it were just a coincidence.

    Comment by ChenZhen — July 6, 2007 @ 8:39 pm | Reply

  5. Something That Sam Brownback And Joe Biden Agree On

    You might have already guessed what that was, but I thought I’d put it in here because I saw another story about this come across the AP wires:  Scholars: Divide Iraq into 3 regions
    Under the plan, Iraqis would divide the country into three main…

    Trackback by ChenZhen's Chamber — July 6, 2007 @ 8:49 pm | Reply

  6. Senators have to work together. When they find common cause, even across the aisle, they do the right thing. Sam Brownback has demonstrated on numerous occasions that he is willing to cross party lines if the cause is just. This is an important quality that demonstrates Presidential potential. He even apologized to Hillary Clinton for his strong dislike of the Clintons during their first (and hopefully only) Presidency.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 6, 2007 @ 9:05 pm | Reply

  7. “Regardless of a candidate’s philosophical bent, when one of them puts forth a solid proposal, it is time to listen.”

    Gee, a Republican and Democrat getting along and feeding off each other’s pros in stead of stabbing at the “cons” through (what is my favorite phrase!) political racism? Say it isn’t so. You mean those two sides can work together? I would’ve never thought it. So, does it make sense Sisypus, Psycheout, Crockett, Marcia, and whoever else just loves to attack the “other side” that perhaps all these people you’re attacking may have something good to say? Not asking for some radical conversion on your part (as any conversion would be radical for you)…just listen with civility and an open mind.🙂 Make sense?

    Comment by La Mona — July 6, 2007 @ 9:24 pm | Reply

  8. When a demoRAT pierces the veil of liberal political racism, it is a cause for celebration. If Biden plays his cards right he could become a respected liberal like Joe Lieberman. I don’t usually agree with J.L. but he can at least be reasonable at times.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 6, 2007 @ 9:36 pm | Reply

  9. *sigh* Nevermind…it’s all the “liberal’s” fault. (sarcasm for the blind ones)

    When I coined “political racism” I had made the observation that BOTH sides do it CONSTANTLY. That’s why it’s just “political racism” and not “persecution by liberals.” Your rephrasing of Democrat to “demoRAT” is an example of “political racism.”

    Comment by La Mona — July 6, 2007 @ 9:43 pm | Reply

  10. Sighs aside, La Mona, I am proud of you for being involved in the political process at such a young age. I was proud to be a part of the Reagan Revolution at age 16. I’ve been fighting for the good guys ever since. I hope you will keep up your interest in politics. I’m sure the great Senator Brownback would express the same sentiment.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 6, 2007 @ 9:55 pm | Reply

  11. Now you agree that knowledge in Politics and Government is a good thing? Are you saying something nice? (I’m afraid I don’t quite know how to take this honestly, all things considered.) Really, honest question. Sarcasm aside.

    *You’ve been fighting for your own “good guys.”

    Comment by La Mona — July 6, 2007 @ 10:07 pm | Reply

  12. Knowledge is always a good thing. How could you read the science posts from Sisyphus and not understand that we at B4B treasure knowledge and faith above all else?

    I hope you remain interested in the politics and government of America, the greatest nation on G-d’s green Earth. I just hope that you will fight for the right side.

    And if all else fails, put your trust in Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 6, 2007 @ 10:15 pm | Reply

  13. How could I not understand? Hmmm, let’s see…the desire to censor Literature that was deemed “worthless” because you don’t agree with its points. The denoucing of the value of such Lit.. The never-ending ignorance when it comes to the knowledge of Government, Politics, and Economics. The misinterpretations of the Bible and the unwillingness to listen to other viewpoints that think your views as such. The thinking that this is a flat world despite constant evidence as being otherwise shaped–round. The name-calling as rebuttal when a viewpoint comes up that you can give no decent argument to. Did I mention more ignorance? Your thoughts on atoms….(very much wrong…) Your thoughts that Science is of Satan (like the Physics, Chemistry, and Biology variety). It’s not. God is very logical, and He has processes for everything…Science. Basically, the groups differ with the orgins of life (creation and evolution). The thought that nothing should be taught except the Bible in school. (Did I mention that Jesus was a carpenter the first 30 years of his life? Math all over the place in there.) The thought that the planet isn’t moving because people here are literalists when it comes to a book (the Bible) famous for symbolism/metaphors/analogies. Lack of knowledge in the area of History. “Political racism” in comparison to civil discussion. Discounting the value of another lanuage. Wishing the extermination of cultures. Being arrogant enough to think that you are a majority. False labels, harsh assumptions, failure to acknowledge the issue at hand (ignoring some things people have said and then because of such made idiotic assumptions later) And more name-calling. All around unGodly actions done with the above/previously stated. Need I go on?

    *All this is taken from comments from you Psycheout, Sisyphus, Crockett, Marcia, Carsick, Happy Clam and others (forgive–those are most fresh in my mind) since being here at the time of the Open Science Thread on the “globe theory” (which is not a theory).

    You wonder why I fail to understand your value for education/knowledge/growth be it in the areas taught in school or faith?

    I also wish to know of government and politics from the rest of the world as well. I wish to see ALL sides of something instead of being blind to those that do not “directly” affect me. To ignore what is off the borders of my country is blind and foolish. One needs to have a competent viewing of the sides to make a decision be it in politics (generatin ideas) or other areas in life. (In other words, less room for assumption and error.)

    Forgive the long post. But do I make myself clear? (Once more sarcasm aside. I’m being honest. I wish to know if I am understood at this point in time.)

    Comment by La Mona — July 6, 2007 @ 10:43 pm | Reply

  14. It seems some people just don’t know how to take a compliment.

    Comment by Psycheout — July 6, 2007 @ 10:47 pm | Reply

  15. You asked. I answered. Please don’t crawl back into your shell. We were starting to have a decent conversation.

    Comment by La Mona — July 6, 2007 @ 10:48 pm | Reply

  16. I’m afraid she’s got you there, Psycheout. If there’s one thing that B4B supporters value the least, it’s extra-biblical knowledge. Why, when Brownback released his book, several posters refused to read it because it wasn’t in the bible!

    Comment by Adam Nelson — July 7, 2007 @ 7:53 am | Reply

  17. “The misinterpretations of the Bible”

    What do you really think we are doing La Mona, making this scripture up? This stuff is crystal to any reasonable person who reads the Bible, unless you are like Interpreted who simple choses to ignore vast parts of it.

    “and the unwillingness to listen to other viewpoints that think your views as such. ”

    Now I have a chose between your opinion, a fallible human with limited knowledge, or God’s, who has perfect knowledge. Clearly the reasonable person takes God’s. What you don’t realize is we know we are ignorant so we take the best source, God.

    Comment by BJ Tabor — July 7, 2007 @ 8:05 am | Reply

  18. BJ, it is NOT crystal clear who is right. If that were true, there would be one, and only one, Christian denomination. However, that just isn’t so, and you are in fact part of one of the most little-known and least-approved denominations, so no it is not clear who is right.

    Comment by Adam Nelson — July 7, 2007 @ 8:20 am | Reply

  19. While I am of the opinion that, like it or not, Iraq will inevitably end up as three separate “countries” – whether officially or “unofficially” – does anyone REALLY think that the region with the perponderance of the oil (the Shia south, if I’m not mistaken) will actually SHARE the revenues with the other regions??!!

    “BJ, it is NOT crystal clear who is right. If that were true, there would be one, and only one, Christian denomination.”

    BULLSEYE!!! As a student of history, I couldn’t agree more!

    Comment by indyandy — July 7, 2007 @ 9:42 am | Reply

  20. Exactly. The reason there are so many Christian denominations is because people disagree on their interpretations of scripture. To say there is only one way of interpreting it is narrow-minded, shallow, and plain wrong.

    Comment by Adam Nelson — July 7, 2007 @ 3:11 pm | Reply

  21. “What do you really think we are doing La Mona, making this scripture up? This stuff is crystal to any reasonable person who reads the Bible, unless you are like Interpreted who simple choses to ignore vast parts of it.”

    I think that any group of people that think that “good Christian men” should be “torturing the Muslims, homosexuals, and Liberals.” and finds it to be Biblical needs to rethink themselves. You’re partially correct: if one reads the Bible things become more clear (not crystal as some meanings have been lost in translation and some things people just don’t understand–like the secrets in Revelation) You however, are not crystal clear, and you ignore vast portions of the Bible (at least from what I’ve seen from various posters here…you I have not seen as much.) That is just my primary example/quote up there, and it’s the portion found in the first blog I found here that sickened me, and in a way, keeps me here to see what mind-blowing ignorance will come next.

    Comment by La Mona — July 7, 2007 @ 6:25 pm | Reply

  22. And there are about 1000 Christian denominations…just in case you wanted a little tid-bit to chew on.

    Comment by La Mona — July 7, 2007 @ 6:26 pm | Reply

  23. It’s sad to see how easy it is manipulate children to have them grow up to become Jihadi’s, be they Muslims or Christians.
    To stuff them full of propaganda to the point where they reject the simplest forms of reason.

    To me, that’s all the prove we need for common descent, those faith-based wars are no different than two groups of monkeys in the zoo throwing sh*t at each other.

    Comment by Skeptic — July 8, 2007 @ 12:19 pm | Reply

  24. The plan has one problem: In need to suceed, the differrent Iraqui groups would have to make peace with each other. As their little war is motivated by religion and a long-lasting hate, this is about as likely as a pig beginning to fly.

    “This concept has worked before — in Bosnia. A decade ago, Bosnia was being torn apart by ethnic cleansing. The United States intervened decisively to keep the country intact by dividing it into ethnic federations. Muslims, Croats and Serbs were allowed to retain separate armies. With the help of the international community, Bosnians have lived the past 10 years in peace. They are in the process of strengthening their central government and disbanding their military forces.”

    No religious motivations. That´s making the differrence.

    Comment by PG — July 9, 2007 @ 12:36 pm | Reply

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  26. […] the Senate gave overwhelming to Sam Brownback’s Iraq plan (co-sponsored by Biden), the three state solution.  Now it’s time for the House to follow suit.  The Daily Brownbacker has a petition for you […]

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  27. The vast majority of people want an immediate end to the war.

    Ron Paul, Mike Gravel and Dennis Kucinich are the only candidates that are right.

    Comment by Spacebrother — September 28, 2007 @ 3:49 pm | Reply

  28. Perhaps Paul, Gravel and Kookspinach should get together and reform The Three Stooges.

    Comment by Psycheout — September 28, 2007 @ 7:25 pm | Reply

  29. […] I-2; Nay: R-22, D-1~Feingold; NV: R-McCain, D-Obama), is to reshape Iraq into a lose federation of three states: Kurdish, Shia and […]

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