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June 8, 2007

Open Science Thread

Filed under: Open Thread,Science — Sisyphus @ 5:39 am

Should people who want to teach children the “globe” theory be allowed to do so?  Why or why not?  What if they do so in, say, a Philosophy elective rather than in science class?  Discuss this, or whatever.  (For what it’s worth, in my opinion people like this belong in straitjackets, as far away from our children as possible.  But others will disagree, I am sure.)

127 Comments »

  1. I got no problem with teaching that kind of stuff if its treated like other mythologies, like homers odyssey or beowulf or the holocaust. I dont got no kids, but i wouldnt be suprised if stupid libs are already teaching all three as so-called “scientific fact”.

    Comment by Elvin — June 8, 2007 @ 5:55 am | Reply

  2. The only book of teaching that should be used in ANY class is the Holy Bible. All of this “globe theory” and “global warming” stuff isn’t mentioned in the Good Book and sounds suspiciously like COMMUNISM to me.

    Comment by Will B — June 8, 2007 @ 5:55 am | Reply

  3. Elvin @ 1:

    You don’t believe in historical accuracy of The Odyssey? Surely, then, you take The Illiad as fact, at least, additionally accepting that there is no scientific evidence to suggest that The Odyssey did NOT happen as stated.

    Comment by Fascinated and Confused — June 8, 2007 @ 6:23 am | Reply

  4. What exactly do you mean by the “globe” theory?

    Also, you think the holocaust is a mythology?!

    Comment by Dan — June 8, 2007 @ 7:37 am | Reply

  5. I wouldn’t be upset if the globe theory were included in art class with the assistance of a balloon and some paper mache and paint. When the kids are finished with their crafting, the teacher can pop the balloon and crumple the paper “globe” to illustrate that the theory/guess is full of hot air and too weak to sustain itself against God’s divine plan.
    Also after we ban books such as The Grapes of Wrath, 1984, Lolita and all books by Mailer, Henry Miller, Vonnegut and Hemingway, there may be some room to teach the fiction of the globe guess in sophomore English classes.

    Comment by carsick — June 8, 2007 @ 7:47 am | Reply

  6. You should also take away thos stupid math books. “Negative numbers” – that must be a work of satan…

    Comment by littleandy — June 8, 2007 @ 7:57 am | Reply

  7. The globe “theory” ???

    If the globe is a theory, please explain the shape of our planet. Moreover, please explain the shape of any other planet in existence.

    The frikkin’ Egyptians 4000 years ago knew better than you. And they hadn’t even let Baby Jesus into their hearts !

    Comment by Manboy — June 8, 2007 @ 8:06 am | Reply

  8. With all due respect, this is a silly topic. The Bible is the only text that should be taught in our schools. Period. This is clear because if God intended for children to learn things like “math” he would have included such studies in the text. Further, it is also clear that Hurricane Katrina, AIDS, the shuttle disasters, and commercials during “24” would not exist but for the presence of secular “education” in our public schools. When Sam is President he will make sure that the Bible is the only word our kids hear in school.

    Comment by St. Legalize — June 8, 2007 @ 8:08 am | Reply

  9. St. Legalize
    I hadn’t realized that potential commercial free episodes of “24” were part of Senator Brownback’s platform. Yay! He is clearly divinely inspired!

    Comment by carsick — June 8, 2007 @ 8:18 am | Reply

  10. Yes, carsick, commercial interuptions during “24” are akin to teaching other than principles enumerated in the Bible in our public schools. There is no end to the evil, gay, communist ideas that can be planted in the minds of viewers enjoying the wholesome, Christian torturing of Muslims, when they are forced to cut away to view the filth contained in beer and lingerie advertisements. But President Brownback, through God’s guiding hand, will render such commercials illegal, as being contrary to the word of Christ, with their proveyers subject to enhanced interrogation techniques, and the women in such advertisements subject to total dominion by superior and Godly men.

    Comment by St. Legalize — June 8, 2007 @ 8:24 am | Reply

  11. little andy @ 4

    ‘“Negative numbers” – that must be a work of satan…’

    Actually, it’s the imaginary numbers that seem most Satanic to me.

    Comment by DPS — June 8, 2007 @ 8:31 am | Reply

  12. St. Legalize,
    Exactly! Why teach our children ANYTHING? (I’m kidding, of course – that’d be the downfall of our civilization)

    Comment by Dan — June 8, 2007 @ 8:38 am | Reply

  13. You don’t believe in historical accuracy of The Odyssey? Surely, then, you take The Illiad as fact, at least, additionally accepting that there is no scientific evidence to suggest that The Odyssey did NOT happen as stated.”

    There’s plenty of Biblical evidence contradicting the Iliad, though. Gods and goddesses just didn’t exist.

    “I wouldn’t be upset if the globe theory were included in art class with the assistance of a balloon and some paper mache and paint. When the kids are finished with their crafting, the teacher can pop the balloon and crumple the paper “globe” to illustrate that the theory/guess is full of hot air and too weak to sustain itself against God’s divine plan.”

    I think that’s an EXCELLENT idea!

    “Also after we ban books such as The Grapes of Wrath, 1984, Lolita and all books by Mailer, Henry Miller, Vonnegut and Hemingway, there may be some room to teach the fiction of the globe guess in sophomore English classes.”

    Every single one of those books was written by a moonbat or a Commie with an axe to grind. I think you’re right. Taking them off the curriculum and replacing them with decent American books like the “Left Behind” series and Tom Clancy novels would do wonders to improve the minds of our young people.

    “With all due respect, this is a silly topic. The Bible is the only text that should be taught in our schools. Period. This is clear because if God intended for children to learn things like “math” he would have included such studies in the text. Further, it is also clear that Hurricane Katrina, AIDS, the shuttle disasters, and commercials during “24″ would not exist but for the presence of secular “education” in our public schools. When Sam is President he will make sure that the Bible is the only word our kids hear in school.”

    Baby steps, St. Legalize. Baby steps.

    “Actually, it’s the imaginary numbers that seem most Satanic to me.”

    Imaginary numbers are pure evil.

    Comment by Sisyphus — June 8, 2007 @ 8:40 am | Reply

  14. ‘I wouldn’t be upset if the globe theory were included in art class with the assistance of a balloon and some paper mache and paint. When the kids are finished with their crafting, the teacher can pop the balloon and crumple the paper “globe” to illustrate that the theory/guess is full of hot air and too weak to sustain itself against God’s divine plan.’

    That is truly inspired.

    I hesitate to allow my boys to do something ‘artistic’ like this, however. We don’t want to get them off the path to helioleftists by putting them on the express train to sodomy. Perhaps the girls could make the globes and then the boys could smash them? Or just watch as the teacher smashes them?

    Comment by DPS — June 8, 2007 @ 8:48 am | Reply

  15. ‘helioleftism’, that is.

    Comment by DPS — June 8, 2007 @ 8:50 am | Reply

  16. “I hesitate to allow my boys to do something ‘artistic’ like this, however. We don’t want to get them off the path to helioleftists by putting them on the express train to sodomy. Perhaps the girls could make the globes and then the boys could smash them? Or just watch as the teacher smashes them?”

    Perhaps some of the balloons should also include Satan’s face. Then they can smash those, too. That way, children will always associate globalism with Satanism, which is the correct connection to draw.

    I’m just brainstorming here, though.

    Comment by Sisyphus — June 8, 2007 @ 8:51 am | Reply

  17. “‘helioleftism’, that is.”

    We knew what you meant. It works either way.

    Comment by Sisyphus — June 8, 2007 @ 8:53 am | Reply

  18. I strongly believe that children AND adults need to be educated in a “global” sense. Even if we do not have the same beliefs and viewpoints as the other people living on this earth, we need not bash them down or hold ourselves above them.
    It is important to respect and understand other world perspectives. When we don’t, it leads to wars and violence.
    I do not call myself a republican and definitely not a conservative, but I at least can learn to accept others’ beliefs. If they do not impose themselves upon me, I will not impose upon them.
    I believe in equal rights for all people. I believe in peace. I believe in harmony. And I believe in love.

    Comment by Meghan — June 8, 2007 @ 8:53 am | Reply

  19. “I do not call myself a republican and definitely not a conservative, but I at least can learn to accept others’ beliefs. If they do not impose themselves upon me, I will not impose upon them.
    I believe in equal rights for all people. I believe in peace. I believe in harmony. And I believe in love.”

    Fine, fine, fine. But if you believe in teaching children that the world is round, you’re a Helioleftist who opposes the Bible. In that case, I don’t want you coming near our children. The “global” theory flatly contradicts the Biblical teaching that the world is flat. Specifically, it is a disk, with the circumference in Antarctica and the center at the North Pole. You can learn more about it here:

    http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

    Comment by Sisyphus — June 8, 2007 @ 8:57 am | Reply

  20. Christian Scientists (that is real scientist) still are debating the globe theory so I think it should be allowed into the classrooms, but only as theory and only if Flat Earth theory is taught next it. We need our children to be properly informed.

    Heliocentricism is what I want to see right out of the classroom and into the trash were it belongs.

    Comment by BJ Tabor — June 8, 2007 @ 9:15 am | Reply

  21. Actually, it’s the imaginary numbers that seem most Satanic to me.

    I knew you were gonna say that!

    i^2 = -1
    i^2 = -1
    i^2 = -1
    i^2 = -1
    i^2 = -1
    i^2 = -1
    i^2 = -1
    i^2 = -1
    i^2 = -1
    i^2 = -1
    i^2 = -1
    i^2 = -1

    MUHAHAHA!!!

    Comment by Skeptic — June 8, 2007 @ 9:20 am | Reply

  22. Troubling, but not hopeless, news on exactly this topic. These people need our support!

    http://www.richmond.com/printer.cfm?article=4707910

    Comment by DPS — June 8, 2007 @ 9:28 am | Reply

  23. Christian Scientists (that is real scientist) still are debating the globe theory so I think it should be allowed into the classrooms, but only as theory and only if Flat Earth theory is taught next it. We need our children to be properly informed.”

    Fair enough, but I’m confident that in the long run “globalism” is a scientific cul-de-sac.

    Comment by Sisyphus — June 8, 2007 @ 9:31 am | Reply

  24. We have to be careful about any teaching that utilizes balloons in any way because they might inspire the lascivious thoughts of breasts, which of course, were sent here by Satan to confuse and destroy good Christian men from their torturing of gays, communists, and Muslims. In fact, as Christians we must make illegal ALL objects, either man-made or natural, that in any way could possibly remind our youth of the female body.

    Comment by St. Legalize — June 8, 2007 @ 9:31 am | Reply

  25. “We have to be careful about any teaching that utilizes balloons in any way because they might inspire the lascivious thoughts of breasts, which of course, were sent here by Satan to confuse and destroy good Christian men from their torturing of gays, communists, and Muslims.”

    I suppose we could use eggs, but those are too small. They also contain obvious procreative overtones.

    Maybe we should swaddle kickballs in cloth, then burn the cloth. The ball will survive, and as long as it’s held away from the chest (an easy thing to accomplish when it’s on fire), it won’t be confused with a woman’s bosom.

    The other alternative is to force women to strap their bosoms to their chests. This will keep men from looking at them, and also keep balloons from being associated with them. I think it’s a reasonable alternative, anyway.

    Comment by Sisyphus — June 8, 2007 @ 9:34 am | Reply

  26. “Christian Scientists (that is real scientist) still are debating the globe theory”

    Riiiight!

    Show me one paper, written by a Ph.D (physics, geology or meteorology) that was written in the 21st century, that clearly (no vague interpretations) says the the Earth is flat.

    Comment by Skeptic — June 8, 2007 @ 9:35 am | Reply

  27. The only book needed in schools is God’s Own book. Teaching children that the world is round is almost as bad as teaching them Communism.

    This is America. Liberals are wicked creatures. We can’t let them control our children!

    Comment by Marcia P. — June 8, 2007 @ 9:53 am | Reply

  28. If the earth is flat, how do you explain Pygmies + Dwarfs?

    Comment by Aikofan — June 8, 2007 @ 9:54 am | Reply

  29. Sisyphus:
    My son recently asked me for the explanation of the stages of the moon (aka. why do we have a full moon, half moon, quarter moon, new moon). I was wondering how this can be explained if the earth is shaped like a pancake. I know those lying helioleftist, islam-o-commienazis scientists would say something about it being caused by the moon’s rotation around a round earth, but this is clearly wrong.
    I was also wondering what church you are a member of. I find that most churches cave too easily to those scientists mentioned before.

    Comment by bill — June 8, 2007 @ 9:55 am | Reply

  30. Pygmies and dwarfs are the result of demon possession in the womb. It happens sometimes.

    Comment by Marcia P. — June 8, 2007 @ 10:31 am | Reply

  31. “Show me one paper, written by a Ph.D (physics, geology or meteorology) that was written in the 21st century, that clearly (no vague interpretations) says the the Earth is flat.”

    What does that prove? PhDs in physics, geology and meteorology are part of the problem – they have a vested interest in protecting and advancing the fictional idea of a round earth.

    All the proof you need is in the Bible. I’m guessing that you, like most Leftist kooks, have never opened one.

    Comment by Donatello — June 8, 2007 @ 10:35 am | Reply

  32. Donatello,

    “What does that prove? PhDs in physics, geology and meteorology are part of the problem – they have a vested interest in protecting and advancing the fictional idea of a round earth.

    All the proof you need is in the Bible. I’m guessing that you, like most Leftist kooks, have never opened one.”

    The same science (mathematics especially) that proves the earth is round was used to design computers, the internet, and this very blogging software you are using right now. Since this blogging software exists and is stable, one can assume relatively safely that the mathematical foundation behind it is stable as well.

    Also, where does the Bible say that the earth is flat? It sounds like you’re taking some creative liberties with a very inspirational text, which I’m sure was not the intention.

    Comment by Da Vinci — June 8, 2007 @ 11:01 am | Reply

  33. Leftists hate the Bible so much, it probably burns their hands to touch it.

    That might be a good test for liberals in the future, when they try to hide among decent Americans.

    Comment by Sisyphus — June 8, 2007 @ 11:27 am | Reply

  34. “Leftists hate the Bible so much, it probably burns their hands to touch it.

    That might be a good test for liberals in the future, when they try to hide among decent Americans.”

    Be careful with your words… Proposing an idea, then testing it… almost sounds too familiar.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

    Comment by Da Vinci — June 8, 2007 @ 11:38 am | Reply

  35. bill,
    I don’t know what church Sisyphus belongs to but my family is home-churched. We do get together with other home-churched families to re-enact the Passion once a year but there has been no talk of starting a congregation of our own – among our group there are some long standing disagreements over using our own blood for the re-enactment or pig and sheep blood. Personally, I think the re-enactment should be as realistic as possible so the younger kids understand how vitally and spiritually important the Passion is to their well-being.

    Comment by carsick — June 8, 2007 @ 11:46 am | Reply

  36. I just thought I should point out to everyone this shameful bit of reporting by the godless atheistic liberals of the MSM on the newest museum to grace G*d’s creation:

    http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/ars-takes-a-field-trip-the-creation-museum.ars

    They have the requisite MSM disclaimer about lacking an agenda, but I think their snide denunciations of such informative exhibits as the historically correct model of a Eve and velociraptor gathering greens and a tiny child riding a rhinoceros belie that assertion. Sisyphus, I hope you can marshal your extensive resources and combat the misinformation in that article! I know Sen. Brownback, if he could take time away from fighting the forces of liberalism and darkness, would do just that.

    Comment by Everett Volk — June 8, 2007 @ 11:49 am | Reply

  37. Everett,
    Perhaps we should restrict admission to the museum to just children and their spiritual guardians. I believe that children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way.

    Comment by carsick — June 8, 2007 @ 11:54 am | Reply

  38. It may also be interesting for you to know that Conservapedia’s entry on “Flat Earth,” small as it is, take a conservative stance against the Flat Earth theory, stating that the Flat Earth theory and its history were created as a myth to slander the good names of Christians within the scientific community. Don’t believe me?

    http://www.conservapedia.com/Flat_earth

    Comment by Da Vinci — June 8, 2007 @ 11:54 am | Reply

  39. Conservapedia was overrun by liberal trolls as soon as it opened. Apparently Leftists get a kick out of vandalizing the hard work of other people.

    Anyway, you can’t trust what you see on that site, unfortunately. It would have been a great resource for people who aren’t brainwashed by the MSM and liberal propaganda.

    Comment by Donatello — June 8, 2007 @ 11:58 am | Reply

  40. A report on Ars Technica, as posted above, clearly shows images of a spherical earth from the displays at the Creation Museum. Is it possible that you’re simply trying to take a stance against the very fundamentals of science in order to discredit it?

    Comment by Da Vinci — June 8, 2007 @ 12:08 pm | Reply

  41. Da Vinci
    You have failed to understand that True America is a big tent. Some people believe schools should exclusively teach the Bible. Some want wood shop and mechanical engineering included. Some people have been misguided on the shape of our Earth etc… But,ultimately, we all agree that the lefties are trying to destroy us as we civilly and responsibly try to work out the minor disagreements among us.

    Comment by carsick — June 8, 2007 @ 12:13 pm | Reply

  42. “A report on Ars Technica, as posted above, clearly shows images of a spherical earth from the displays at the Creation Museum.”

    First, I wouldn’t be so quick to believe something from a secularist website; they could have easily doctored those photos.

    If the photos are genuine, then it shows just how pernicious the round earth myth is. Even people who are right about everything else fall for it.

    Comment by Donatello — June 8, 2007 @ 12:34 pm | Reply

  43. Carsick
    You have failed to understand the freedoms that this country was founded upon. Yes, some people believe that schools should exclusively teach the Bible. These people are a minority, and as such, the fulfillment of their wishes would cause a great deal of grief for the larger majority whom do not agree with them. This disagreement has caused the creation of private Christian schools (from elementary school through college), and provides a large variety of degrees of Biblical instruction. If this is what you seek for your children, by all means, place them in a school like this.

    Let me remind you, however, of the primary purpose of the elementary education system: to prepare students for higher education. A school that did not teach science or mathematics would cripple students with goals of becoming doctors, engineers, or any other of a large number of highly skilled trades. These are not professions that an 18 year old can arbitrarily choose, but something that they must have been prepared for their whole lives.

    As I mentioned before, there are still schools that choose to place an emphasis on faith over science. Should you, as many, not be able to afford such a school for whatever reason, you may find yourself in a position where the school system is teaching your children that which you do not believe. It is then your responsibility as parents to give your children the well-rounded educations that you feel they need, and is so for parents of all faiths. The separation of Church and State requires that no single religion be given preference over another, and while Christianity may be widespread in its many forms, it is still religion, and as such, must remain separate for the rights of what you would call non-believers. The Christian sense of family is a strong one, and that fact should be remembered when you consider asking the government to teach it to your children.

    As for the flat earth argument, its entirely arbitrary. How one acts out their daily lives is in no way impacted by their beliefs on the shape and size of the earth. Unless you are an astronaut, in which case you can be relatively certain you don’t believe in a flat earth.

    Comment by Da Vinci — June 8, 2007 @ 1:00 pm | Reply

  44. Da Vinci,
    I’ll assume you see yourself as a Child of the Enlightenment. Other than some activist judges and your self analysis that leads you to think you speak for the majority of Americans, I have just one question for you:
    Who died and left you Our Lord Almighty?

    Comment by carsick — June 8, 2007 @ 1:15 pm | Reply

  45. I´d say teach em both versions, the scientific one and the religious one. The kid should decide itself which version is more credible.

    @Elvin: Scratch the Holocaust from your myth list, please. That one did (unfortunately) happen.

    With all due respect, this is a silly topic. The Bible is the only text that should be taught in our schools. Period. This is clear because if God intended for children to learn things like “math” he would have included such studies in the text.

    Yeah sure. And if god wanted us to fly, he´d given us wings…

    There’s plenty of Biblical evidence contradicting the Iliad, though. Gods and goddesses just didn’t exist.

    Evidence? None. Supernatural beings can´t be proven to exist or not to exist. This includes of course, GOD.
    (And I´d rather not trust a book that has seen no one knows how many people rewriting it in the last two millenia.)

    Taking them off the curriculum and replacing them with decent American books like the “Left Behind” series and Tom Clancy novels would do wonders to improve the minds of our young people.

    Which TOm Clancy´s? You know, some of them offer a rather non-christian perspective. (I´ve read almost anything from Mr. Clancy. Since Hunt for Red October I´m addicted.)

    You have failed to understand that True America is a big tent. Some people believe schools should exclusively teach the Bible. Some want wood shop and mechanical engineering included. Some people have been misguided on the shape of our Earth etc… But,ultimately, we all agree that the lefties are trying to destroy us as we civilly and responsibly try to work out the minor disagreements among us.

    You mean everyone except those over 50% that vote for the democrats, right?

    Comment by PG — June 8, 2007 @ 1:18 pm | Reply

  46. PG
    Whether 2% or 52%, if they voted for democrats they should be arrested for treason. Once that is done they will no longer have a voice in our Divine Land and we, True Americans, will 100% committed to living out God’s plan.

    Comment by carsick — June 8, 2007 @ 1:27 pm | Reply

  47. Whether 2% or 52%, if they voted for democrats they should be arrested for treason. Once that is done they will no longer have a voice in our Divine Land and we, True Americans, will 100% committed to living out God’s plan.

    I´d say try it. Given that they are the majority, it´s most probably you who will find himself in prison afterwards….

    Comment by PG — June 8, 2007 @ 1:30 pm | Reply

  48. You have failed to understand that True America is a big tent. Some people believe schools should exclusively teach the Bible. Some want wood shop and mechanical engineering included. Some people have been misguided on the shape of our Earth etc… But,ultimately, we all agree that the lefties are trying to destroy us as we civilly and responsibly try to work out the minor disagreements among us.”

    Exactly. Some among us are Biblical exclusivists; some would allow for other classes, such as shop classes, gym, and home economics in the girls’ schools. There are many ranges of opinion amongst conservatives. We are united in our distrust of Helioleftism and NASA, but beyond that we have many, many disagreements in a spirit of amity and camaraderie. To suggest otherwise is typical of the tactics employed by dishonest leftists.

    Comment by Sisyphus — June 8, 2007 @ 1:34 pm | Reply

  49. Because it’s a fact.

    Sisyphus, I hereby present you with the Linus the Moonbat Raving Wingnut award. Display it with pride!

    Comment by Linus — June 8, 2007 @ 1:35 pm | Reply

  50. It’s found here.

    Comment by Linus — June 8, 2007 @ 1:36 pm | Reply

  51. I say teach the controversy.

    Do we trust the scientists and their photoshopped photos from “outer space,” or do we trust the evidence of our God-given senses?

    Teach the controversy, educators. Astronomy and Astrology. Mathematics and numerology. Diagnosis by x-rays and and diagnosis by dove entrails. Do not shortchange our leaders of tomorrow!

    Comment by i_capricorn — June 8, 2007 @ 1:37 pm | Reply

  52. Carsick,

    I have never said that I speak for the majority of Americans, but I don’t have to. The only person that I need to speak for is myself. I am a fellow Christian, but also a scientist. I agree that the two can conflict, but that both have made me a stronger individual. When I speak of the effects of the unprepared mind for the world, I speak with truth from experience. I would not be in the position I am today, nor be happy with my life’s work were it not for the Lord, as he gave me the gift of my intelligence. I cannot, however, truthfully say that I could be where I am had I focused my studies on the Bible. I excelled in mathematics as a child, and took those early skills on through high school and college. Were I to have pursued purely faith-based studies, I would not have been prepared for college, nor would I have been qualified for my current position.

    I know He died, but he did not leave me in charge. He left me to do all I can for my fellow man. I pursue science so that man can understand the universe, and make his time on earth less miserable. Am I wrong to use the gifts I have been given for such pursuits?

    Comment by Da Vinci — June 8, 2007 @ 1:38 pm | Reply

  53. Teach the controversy.

    The Globe theory should be taught, of course, but only accompanied by other theories, as well–such as the Flat Earth Fact or the Earth as a Marble in God’s Pocket Theory.

    Comment by Marco — June 8, 2007 @ 1:42 pm | Reply

  54. PG
    I thought you hippyfascists don’t believe in guns and fighting and war. Whose going to stop us with God on our side? People laughed and taunted David with his little sling too though they weren’t laughing when Goliath lay headless on the ground and the Philistines ran away.

    Comment by carsick — June 8, 2007 @ 1:45 pm | Reply

  55. “I pursue science so that man can understand the universe, and make his time on earth less miserable.” Da Vinci

    This curious statement from someone claiming to be a Christian. The world is as God wants it to be. To argue otherwise is to doubt the power and competency of God. Therefore by trying to lighten the misery you are changing His plan. You are saying God is wrong and you know better.

    There is a word for defying God Da Vinci, it’s called sin.

    Comment by BJ Tabor — June 8, 2007 @ 1:46 pm | Reply

  56. BJ Tabor

    Then by giving food to the poor, or treating outbreaks in undeveloped countries, we are again sinning, though the Bible does clearly state that we should take care of the ill and poor. If everything is God’s will, then we are sinning when we try to change anything. Bathing is a sin because it was God’s will that there be dirt on our skin. Going to a doctor is sin, because it is God’s will that we die, even if we die of the flu or the common cold, or some other easily treatable disease. Traveling is a sin, because God put us where he intended us to be.

    God charged us with helping our fellow man. If I believe I can use science to do so, not doing so would be a sin.

    Comment by Da Vinci — June 8, 2007 @ 1:51 pm | Reply

  57. PG
    I thought you hippyfascists don’t believe in guns and fighting and war. Whose going to stop us with God on our side? People laughed and taunted David with his little sling too though they weren’t laughing when Goliath lay headless on the ground and the Philistines ran away.

    Calling me a hippie? Why don´t you call Reagan a commie when you´re at it?
    And only because someone is not a conservative, it doesn´t mean that he can´t handle a gun.

    (And frankly, as humans tend to be quite bad losers, I suspect that the loosing libs would simply launch some nukes and blow the USA to flinders.)

    PS: Afaik Goliath´s head was still on. He just sufferred a concussion, fell down and was unlucky enough to break his neck. That´s the best interpretion. It involves a lot of unlikely events that can only be god´s work, if you´re a believer.

    Comment by PG — June 8, 2007 @ 1:59 pm | Reply

  58. Well, if you don’t want to teach the controversy, then the only thing you should teach in science class is the Bible. Every page is full of wisdom, wisdom, wisdom. One fact right after another.

    If God didn’t want the Bible taught in public schools, He wouldn’t have written it in English.

    Did you ever think of that! Well, check yourself out, people. And think. THINK!

    Comment by i_capricorn — June 8, 2007 @ 2:01 pm | Reply

  59. Sissy,

    I don’t understand why people are so closed minded and object to the introduction of religious training as a substitute for demonology and vainglorius man-worship now practiced in our public schools.

    Well, to think of it, I guess it’s because these hell-bound heathens want to increase their perverted coven and since they are mostly homersexual or engage in sodomy with animals, they have no way of making babies, and therefor need to pollute the minds of the children of good Christians and coerce them into their satan-worshipping cluts.

    See how they mock HIM:

    “Yeah sure. And if god wanted us to fly, he´d given us wings…”

    Yea, that’s right. GOD does NOT want you to fly. Are you an angel? Only angels, and those assisted by angels, get to fly.

    DOWN IN THE DIRT YOU HEATHEN!

    I hope manly Senator Brownback does something about these people, win OR lose.

    Comment by Happy Clam — June 8, 2007 @ 2:04 pm | Reply

  60. “I hope manly Senator Brownback does something about these people, win OR lose.”

    That makes two of us, Happy Calm.

    Comment by Sisyphus — June 8, 2007 @ 2:11 pm | Reply

  61. @Happy Clam

    Well, luckily, I´m no pilot. But in your reasoning, the whole US Air FOrce is going straight to hell.

    Comment by PG — June 8, 2007 @ 2:23 pm | Reply

  62. PG
    The U.S. Air Force is assisted by angels of course.

    Comment by carsick — June 8, 2007 @ 2:50 pm | Reply

  63. PG
    1 Samuel 17:51 David knocks Big Boy down with a rock then uses the Philistine’s own sword to hack his head off. That’s God working through the acts of Man right there.

    Comment by carsick — June 8, 2007 @ 2:53 pm | Reply

  64. I have been to rocky top and valley floor so I know that this world cannot be flat. I could see how someone who had never ventured out of Kansas or Nebraska may think so, so I am non-judgemental on this issue. However, the notion that Earth is shaped like a basketball is quite confusing. I watch the sport sometimes and notice that it is dominated by black males, but the earth is dominated by white Christian males. Therefore, using science, I can safely conclude that Earth must not be shaped like a basketball.

    Look in the ultimate fact checker:
    Isaiah 40:22
    He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,
    and its people are like grasshoppers.

    There you have. The earth is but a circle and I am merely a grasshopper.

    Comment by Cletus — June 8, 2007 @ 3:27 pm | Reply

  65. “The U.S. Air Force is assisted by angels of course.”

    Yes, they call them the Blue Angels. They fly air shows, primarily, but are some of the best pilots in the world. Did you know, you have to have a college degree in order to be an AF pilot? Not only that, you have to learn the physics of flight. Good thing angels know science…

    Comment by Da Vinci — June 8, 2007 @ 3:30 pm | Reply

  66. Praise the sweet Baby Jesus in the green grass for people like you, Sissyphus! These LIEberals are ruining this country with their anti-Jesus beliefs and hate-America rhetoric. When God created the earth some 4,000 years ago He did it for one reason and that was to spread His glory. Praise the Lord! The last time I walked outside the ground was as flat as it can be and I sure didn’t feel the earth spinning around. This whole globe mess makes about as much since man coming from a monkey. If the earth were round we couldn’t be able to stand up-right much less hit our targets while casting stones at the sinners.

    I am praying fervently that all these Democratic Satanist types will feel the smite on the back of their britches as they are sent spiraling straight into the burning pits of hell by the hand of the Almighty. Amen!

    Comment by Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett — June 8, 2007 @ 3:42 pm | Reply

  67. @Sysi
    “What does that prove? PhDs in physics, geology and meteorology are part of the problem – they have a vested interest in protecting and advancing the fictional idea of a round earth.”

    Well, you said real scientists are disputing a round Earth, so I asked you to name on of these “real scientists”.

    That’s not too hard, is it?

    Comment by Skeptic — June 8, 2007 @ 3:49 pm | Reply

  68. PG
    1 Samuel 17:51 David knocks Big Boy down with a rock then uses the Philistine’s own sword to hack his head off. That’s God working through the acts of Man right there.

    Oh, okay. ALthough that´s a bit harsh. And having to make such cheap shots….

    The U.S. Air Force is assisted by angels of course.

    Funny how they always claim that it´s themselves. Pilots and their arrogance. Okay, they have college education and need to know physics. And *grasp* they believe the world is not flat. Because you can make out the shape at really high altitudes.

    But oh well, the only thing I ever found really interesting about fighter planes was what happened to them when our AA company brought out the Gepards. (Of course we only shot unmanned targets.) Low-level attacks are not good if one of those buggers is around.🙂

    Comment by PG — June 8, 2007 @ 4:02 pm | Reply

  69. “I have been to rocky top and valley floor so I know that this world cannot be flat.”

    Not THAT kind of flat! You’re changing the subject.

    I am praying fervently that all these Democratic Satanist types will feel the smite on the back of their britches as they are sent spiraling straight into the burning pits of hell by the hand of the Almighty. Amen!”

    I’m with you. But the Lord helps those who help themselves, and electing Brownback to the White House is the first step in taking our country back from the brink of sin and damnation!

    Keep coming back! And be sure to vote Brownback!

    “Well, you said real scientists are disputing a round Earth, so I asked you to name on of these “real scientists”.

    That’s not too hard, is it?”

    Well, you’re talking to one of them right now. But another one would be the fellows who wrote this: http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it, treefrog!

    Comment by Sisyphus — June 8, 2007 @ 4:06 pm | Reply

  70. Christian Scientists is an oxymoron

    Comment by J — June 8, 2007 @ 4:21 pm | Reply

  71. “the historically correct model of a Eve and velociraptor gathering greens”

    That sounds like an especially inspiring scene. Shows you how far off these moron palaeontologists have been. What a bunch of buffoons.

    Comment by DPS — June 8, 2007 @ 4:21 pm | Reply

  72. You do know that the Flat Earth Society is a parody group, right? They’re like the Flying Spaghetti Monster people – not intending to be taken seriously.

    Comment by Ahab — June 8, 2007 @ 4:45 pm | Reply

  73. Ahab @ 72:

    “You do know that the Flat Earth Society is a parody group, right? They’re like the Flying Spaghetti Monster people – not intending to be taken seriously.”

    If I thought you were smart enough to recognize a parody, I might take you more seriously.

    Comment by DPS — June 8, 2007 @ 4:53 pm | Reply

  74. Ahab is an athiestoliberelorounderthamentalistislamodarwinist and should not be listened to under any circumstances. Cover your eyes Brownbackers. We will soon be rid of this blasphemer. God will exact his vengance. Praise be to Brownback.

    Comment by ec1009 — June 8, 2007 @ 4:54 pm | Reply

  75. “athiestoliberelorounderthamentalistislamodarwinist”

    Those words sure keep getting longer and longer.

    Us terrorists prefer the much simpler “infidel”.

    ALLAH UH ACKBAR!!!

    Comment by Skeptic — June 8, 2007 @ 5:00 pm | Reply

  76. Simple people like simple words you skepticoathiestoliberelorounderthamentalistislamodarwinist.

    Comment by ec1009 — June 8, 2007 @ 5:05 pm | Reply

  77. DPS
    I laughed, I cried and laughed again at your #73 comment.

    Comment by carsick — June 8, 2007 @ 5:40 pm | Reply

  78. How do you become a writer for this blog? This is great shit.

    Comment by fairlane — June 8, 2007 @ 6:18 pm | Reply

  79. carsick:

    While I am constantly saddened to see how lost in sin and confusion these poor liberals are, sometimes you just can’t help laughing at the ridiculous things they say. They can’t possibly realize how silly they sound; otherwise, they’d just keep their mouths shut.

    Comment by DPS — June 8, 2007 @ 6:58 pm | Reply

  80. “While I am constantly saddened to see how lost in sin and confusion these poor liberals are, sometimes you just can’t help laughing at the ridiculous things they say. They can’t possibly realize how silly they sound; otherwise, they’d just keep their mouths shut.”

    You’re right, if only you’d convert to Islam you could help us cleanse the world of those athiestoliberelorounderthamentalistfrechislamodarwinistsodomitecommunists!

    ALLA UH ACKBAR!

    Comment by Skeptic — June 8, 2007 @ 7:21 pm | Reply

  81. “Christian Scientists is an oxymoron”

    More ad hominems from the “reality based” community.

    How do you become a writer for this blog? This is great shit.”

    Well, just jump in the comments! If I ever get ahold of Psycheout again, we’ll talk about opening the membership roster.

    Comment by Sisyphus — June 8, 2007 @ 7:22 pm | Reply

  82. Hey Sisyphus,
    My son is growing somewhat impatient with my lack of response about the stages of the moon. DPS could you help me?

    Comment by bill — June 8, 2007 @ 8:39 pm | Reply

  83. bill
    I’ll assume your kid has seen Star Wars right?
    Does he believe everything in that movie is true just because some brainwashed science teacher is trying to brainwash them too?

    Comment by carsick — June 8, 2007 @ 10:03 pm | Reply

  84. bill,
    In other words, the reason we all like fireworks on the 4th of July is because we are made in God’s image. He likes special effects. Is that so hard to comprehend?
    If you’re expecting a logical, rational answer then you are coming to the wrong place. God asks for, demands, and expects Belief and Trust. If you don’t believe or trust in Him then, honestly, what’s the point of lighting off M-80s and Roman Candles in the back yard?

    Comment by carsick — June 8, 2007 @ 10:12 pm | Reply

  85. “If you’re expecting a logical, rational answer then you are coming to the wrong place.”

    I take offense carsick. Brownback supporters are extremely logical. It is just a different form of logic. It is God’s logic. To say otherwise is just just blatent treefroggery of the worst sort. Take it back you heathen!

    Comment by ec1009 — June 9, 2007 @ 8:33 am | Reply

  86. Back in March I was on a flight to the USA (Denver), and at 39,000 feet I thought the Earth looked curved. That’s no proof that the Earth is a spheroid, however – it was an optical illusion, and/or an effect of the low cabin pressure on my brain…

    Comment by brian t — June 9, 2007 @ 9:10 am | Reply

  87. Brian, it could also be a deception of Satan. He is known for those types of tricks on believers.

    Comment by ec1009 — June 9, 2007 @ 9:15 am | Reply

  88. “Back in March I was on a flight to the USA (Denver), and at 39,000 feet I thought the Earth looked curved.”

    Well, Sysi, it looks like the CIA got to him…

    Comment by Skeptic — June 9, 2007 @ 9:23 am | Reply

  89. “My son is growing somewhat impatient with my lack of response about the stages of the moon. DPS could you help me?”

    Distortions in the ether, which is comprised of water. There are periodic ripples, and they make the moon take different forms. The same phenomenon explains the seasons, incidentally.

    “Well, Sysi, it looks like the CIA got to him…”

    Possibly. But he is willing to concede that cabin fever made him nuts, so it’s possible he’s redeemable.

    Comment by Sisyphus — June 9, 2007 @ 9:28 am | Reply

  90. DPS @ 73

    Some parody is more recognizable – this blog for instance is a source of some debate amongst my friends as to whether it’s an extremely clever parody (in which case, bravo) or if the author is serious; in which case everything written takes a much more disturbing light.

    Although, when you really get down to it; the author of the blog is most reminiscent of the disciple Thomas, who refused to believe that Jesus had risen until he saw the wound in His side and the holes in His hands. Much in the same way, the author refuses to believe simple facts such as that the earth is a sphere, and that space is not made of “ether”.

    Again though, I’m still hoping this is parody.

    Comment by Ahab — June 9, 2007 @ 10:27 am | Reply

  91. “Some parody is more recognizable – this blog for instance is a source of some debate amongst my friends as to whether it’s an extremely clever parody (in which case, bravo) or if the author is serious; in which case everything written takes a much more disturbing light.”

    It’s not a parody. Parodists are the worst people imaginable.

    “Although, when you really get down to it; the author of the blog is most reminiscent of the disciple Thomas, who refused to believe that Jesus had risen until he saw the wound in His side and the holes in His hands. Much in the same way, the author refuses to believe simple facts such as that the earth is a sphere, and that space is not made of “ether”.”

    Thomas was a great man.

    “Again though, I’m still hoping this is parody.”

    If it were a parody, that would make me an America-hating moonbat treefrog loon. Such a moral outlook is a fate worse than death, for damnation ensues.

    Comment by Sisyphus — June 9, 2007 @ 10:36 am | Reply

  92. ec1009
    My mistake. I failed to include the quotation marks around the words. The deniers think they have logic and reason on their side but they are mistaken because there is no True logic or True reason without God.

    Comment by carsick — June 9, 2007 @ 12:12 pm | Reply

  93. “…there is no True logic or True reason without God.”

    Hey, that hurts my feelings!

    Comment by Satan — June 9, 2007 @ 12:18 pm | Reply

  94. “…there is no True logic or True reason without God.”

    Well said Carsick.

    Be gone Satan! I cast thee out of this blog.

    If that doesn’t work Sisyphus, the ball is in your court.

    Comment by ec1009 — June 9, 2007 @ 1:45 pm | Reply

  95. “Be gone Satan! I cast thee out of this blog.”

    But I just want someone to talk to, I’ve been so lonely since Saddam broke up with me.

    Comment by Satan — June 9, 2007 @ 3:07 pm | Reply

  96. “Well, you’re talking to one of them right now. But another one would be the fellows who wrote this: http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

    A) That website does not cite a single author or scientist

    B) All of the so-called problems they talk about can be solve with Newton’s theory of gravitation.

    C) Columbus, who they cite, was actually one of the few people in his time who did believe the world was round.

    D) The website uses circular reasoning: why can’t the Earth be spherical, because things would fall off, why can’t the Earth be moving, because it would move away from the Sun, the theory of gravitation solves these problems but it can’t be true because the Earth is flat, why is it flat because things would fall off, and so on…

    Comment by Skeptic — June 9, 2007 @ 3:24 pm | Reply

  97. “But I just want someone to talk to, I’ve been so lonely since Saddam broke up with me.”

    Go talk to Daily Kos. He’s on your side.

    Comment by Sisyphus — June 9, 2007 @ 4:06 pm | Reply

  98. or sadly no.

    Comment by ec1009 — June 9, 2007 @ 5:18 pm | Reply

  99. You do know that it isn’t a theory don’t you? It is observable, measurable fact. Although the globe or more of a squashed globe than an actual sphere. Arguing otherwise is a waste of time. The world remains a globe (sort of) whether your sky fairy’s followers say so or not.

    Comment by hoverfrog — June 12, 2007 @ 4:56 pm | Reply

  100. “It is observable, measurable fact.”

    I’ve never seen it. Neither has anyone else except NASA and some other go’vt employes.

    Comment by Sisyphus — June 12, 2007 @ 5:53 pm | Reply

  101. See, waste of time.

    Comment by hoverfrog — June 13, 2007 @ 4:22 am | Reply

  102. It certainly is a waste of time to argue something that neither God nor anyone who isn’t a professional liar has seen, hovertreefrog.

    Comment by Sisyphus — June 13, 2007 @ 5:03 am | Reply

  103. No. It is a waste of time arguing with people who refuse to listen to evidence or believe provable facts. Scientific experiments can be replicated and verified independently. Faith simply has no influence on fact. None at all.

    Teaching otherwise is a lie and teaching people to ignore facts is favour of mysticism is a disservice to both the pupil and the teacher.

    Comment by hoverfrog — June 13, 2007 @ 5:09 am | Reply

  104. “No. It is a waste of time arguing with people who refuse to listen to evidence or believe provable facts. Scientific experiments can be replicated and verified independently. Faith simply has no influence on fact. None at all.”

    Why do you hate Jesus?

    “Teaching otherwise is a lie and teaching people to ignore facts is favour of mysticism is a disservice to both the pupil and the teacher.”

    Spoken like a true Darwinist. What, next, reading of “Das Kapital” in school each morning in lieu of prayer?

    Comment by Sisyphus — June 13, 2007 @ 5:29 am | Reply

  105. “Why do you hate Jesus?”
    Oh you’ve started using this non-sequitur again, have you? How banal. But, as you asked, religion is responsible for some of the worst atrocities in history. It is a force for segregation and breeds violence by highlighting differences rather than commonalities. Jesus was a Jewish man who’s teachings were radical and peaceful and in direct opposition to the violent teachings of the Old Testament. It is unfortunate indeed that Christianity arose and mutated into it’s present form from these peaceful origins.

    “Spoken like a true Darwinist. ”
    Darwin offers the best explanation as to the origins of species on this planet. If you bother to read it and absorb the information in the theory then I’m sure you would agree.

    “What, next, reading of “Das Kapital” in school each morning in lieu of prayer?”
    I’ll allow the non-sequitur of connecting Darwin to Marx and simply answer your question. Reading political treatises may be a bit heavy in the morning but I do agree with you that studying alternate methods of government is a much more productive use of time that wasting hot air beseeching some make believe sky fairy.

    Of course the true wingnuts who read this will simply ignore my statements rather than take my advice so I say once again that it is a waste of time my making them.

    Comment by hoverfrog — June 13, 2007 @ 6:19 am | Reply

  106. Well, i don’t know quite what to say…this is unbeleivable. I am a saved, born-again believer who happens to study the Bible quite frequently.

    First of all, what actual religon are you? Because I have NEVER heard such absloutely far-fetched ideas in my life. The Bible PROVES the world is round, PROVES we need subjects like math, and PROVES soooooooo many other things.

    Yes, there are theories such as evolution that the Bible contradicts, and Dinosaurs are really just reptiles which lived hundreds of years and kept growing before the flood, and the world is extremely old because God creates with age…BUT the world is ROUND!

    If the world was flat, then how do you travel
    AROUND it and end up where you started?

    Gravity comes from INSIDE the earth, so nothing falls off.

    A THEORY is something that has NOT been proven, the world being round HAS been PROVEN…over and over and over and over again, if you choose to ignore that or make up your own thing, then that does not change the FACTS. The big bang, evolution, the dinosaurs, those are theories, NOT the world being flat.

    As for so called Bible verses that “prove” you right, i’d like to see them, IN CONTEXT, in the King James Version (the only version backed by GOD and not messed with by man!) because I know of verses myself that prove the world is round…

    Like I said, I am a STRONG Christian, and I do go against the secular theories that go against the Bible, but I will not make stuff up!

    Comment by christngrl4life — June 13, 2007 @ 12:22 pm | Reply

  107. Spoken like a true atheist!

    Now go read your Bible a little better, you islamofascist treefrog!

    Comment by Skeptic — June 13, 2007 @ 4:55 pm | Reply

  108. “Darwin offers the best explanation as to the origins of species on this planet. If you bother to read it and absorb the information in the theory then I’m sure you would agree.”

    Darwin was obsessed with ants, pigeons, and tortoises. The man had an unnatural and unhealthy regard for the various animals he encountered. He was no sort of role model the human race should look up to, and his anti-Christian ideas suffered accordingly from the subjectivism of his unholy appetites.

    “Reading political treatises may be a bit heavy in the morning but I do agree with you that studying alternate methods of government is a much more productive use of time that wasting hot air beseeching some make believe sky fairy.”

    As opposed to believing in the Evolution Fairies and the Proletarian Fairies that will come and make all this Godliness disappear, is that correct?

    Comment by Sisyphus — June 13, 2007 @ 5:51 pm | Reply

  109. “As opposed to believing in the Evolution Fairies and the Proletarian Fairies that will come and make all this Godliness disappear, is that correct?”

    Show me evidence for Evolution Fairies and Proletarian Fairies or even fairies, pixies or leprechauns of any kind and I’ll start believing in them. They are just as valid belief systems as Christianity or Islam. That is, not at all.

    Comment by hoverfrog — June 14, 2007 @ 3:50 am | Reply

  110. “Show me evidence for Evolution Fairies and Proletarian Fairies or even fairies, pixies or leprechauns of any kind and I’ll start believing in them”

    I was under the impression you already did. That’s why I was making fun of you, you see.

    “They are just as valid belief systems as Christianity or Islam. That is, not at all.”

    Why do you hate God?

    Comment by Sisyphus — June 14, 2007 @ 5:33 am | Reply

  111. I see, I must have inadvertently given you the impression that I believed in fairies. Let me assure you that there is no evidence for the existence of fairies or against them. I am entirely agnostic on the subject except that I find the very idea vaguely ridiculous. Much like other stories like the bible.

    “Why do you hate God?”
    I thought we’d covered this. See comment 105 above.

    You may as well say “Why do you hate Leprechauns?” for all the value your statement has in a discussion.

    Comment by hoverfrog — June 14, 2007 @ 5:44 am | Reply

  112. Sisyphus, I’ve flown around the world. Explain that bit?

    Comment by F. Jacobs — June 15, 2007 @ 6:52 am | Reply

  113. Sisyphus, I’ve flown around the world. Explain that bit?”

    It’s a disk. The circumference is Antarctica, and the center of the circle is the North Pole. You flew around a smaller circle inside the circle of the world.

    Comment by Sisyphus — June 15, 2007 @ 7:58 am | Reply

  114. Wow, I must say…this is highly irritating.
    “If God didn’t want the Bible taught in public schools, He wouldn’t have written it in English.” I think this is the first one I wish to speak of…The Bible was NOT written in English…it was TRANSLATED to English. I know that may blow your mind…but it was. In fact, it was the very first book after the printing press came around. Before that, it was hand written by members of the church (Catholic) and then after the Bible became mass-produced, “comman” man got a hold of it…and read it! That led to the Reformation. Anyone here know of Martin Luther (not King Jr….if not…look it up, it’ll be good for ya.) Anywho, that is the story of that, and the breaking of the Church from Catholic peeps to the different Protestant branches (in a nutshell mind you.)
    Darwin took back his statements…yet people still hold to his ideas. If you think about it…Science disproves evolution. When a thing reproduces there are a certain number of chromosomes for that being (humans are 42 total)…there always has to be those 42 chromosomes holding certain information. If there are more then there is no life…except in the case of Trisomy 21…commonly known as Down Syndrome. So, how can something with a different number of chromosomes “evolve” into something else with another number of chromosomes and still have life? The chances suck eggs to say the least. I don’t know if that makes sense to you…considering I’m trying to be brief and this actually a long answer if done properly.
    Also, for whoever said Math shouldn’t be taught…I’m not sure if you were serious or not…and about anything else that shouldn’t be taught…but people were made for relationships. That includes partnerships. We were made to interact. Now, what the snot does that have to do with Math??? Well, it takes a bit o’ work to build somehting…especially the things we have today. Do you know how much Math is in there? IN your cell phone? Computer? TV? Car? House? Personally, I appreciate that my house is level with the ground thanks to some good ole Geometry. I like having my phone, computer, and other whatnots that I use for various communications. That’s technology…which a heck of a lot of Math. Now, that stuff wasn’t just there. People, working together, made it! With what God gave them! God gave them the imagination. They were given the spark, and they ran with it! Are you saying that God would not want one of His creation to use their gift of Math to help the world out? Are we not suppose to work together? Like a body? Lol, a body…go figure. Who says Math is not Biblical?
    And to add to that. Why is Science not Biblical? Think with me for a second. (Actually, from what I’ve read you need to think a wee bit longer than a second.) God created the human body. Do you deny that? Good. Now, how does it work? The study of its functions is Science! Medicine is Science. Tell me, how many times have you taken meds for a headache? Get your wisdom teeth out? I bet you liked being alseep or numbed for that. That is Science. And those doctors are up to their eyeballs in Science. And you know what? They’re Christian too. (Some, not all, but duh, everyone is different and believes differently.) Also, what do you think of Psychology? That is a Science. Chemistry. Can you deny that chemical reactions take place? NO! (Well, you can but you would be obviously blind…and I would feel very sorry for you.) God made everything, and everything functions through the processes He designed. Why is that so hard. Go now, think deeply on this one.
    Oh, but I’m not done…that was just coffee break. God is VERY logical. He is VERY relevant to US. Everything he made (bringing us the study of all that He made which is Science) and the law He gave us through various writers of the Bible (yea, guys, God didn’t write it and throw it down in King James, NIV, and the Message for us. It came through people writing down as they went and recieved revelation from God. And it’s all in there if you wanna check it out. Then it was translated…hundreds/thousands of years later to what we now have…and it was nicely translated.) Anyways, back from my tangent. There is logic, and it’s no different than anything that people do not easily comprehend. Again, you may have to think about this one, and I will elaborate when there aren’t another 70 things for me to address before I finish here.
    “Back in March I was on a flight to the USA (Denver), and at 39,000 feet I thought the Earth looked curved. That’s no proof that the Earth is a spheroid, however – it was an optical illusion, and/or an effect of the low cabin pressure on my brain…” So, the Earth looked curved did it? That is because it is! Also, for your information, it revolves around the sun, there are 7 other planets doing likewise (8 counting the dwarf planet Pluto), and I can’t believe I’m about to explain this! *sigh* Here goes anyways…Have you ever seen a picture??? First, low cabin pressure–if that many brain cells died I would get a refund. There wasn’t “low” pressure…and Science could explain this as well…and you know what…God made it–Science is just Man’s way of explaining it! Wow, yet another revelation. I’m going to leave this alone for a minute…
    “Further, it is also clear that Hurricane Katrina, AIDS, the shuttle disasters, and commercials during “24″ would not exist but for the presence of secular “education” in our public schools. When Sam is President he will make sure that the Bible is the only word our kids hear in school.” So…you are saying that people should be completely unaware of AIDS? Hmmm, I do believe that is a problem. What happens when they get it…and die! And then, there is no chance for a cure…it would be like not teaching anything about cancer then no one would ever know, and people would have much shorter life spans due to ignorance. I do believe the Bible teaches ignorance to be a bad thing. If you like I’ll go fidn the exact chapter and verse. Won’t be hard. Not learn about Katrina? I admit, I’m sick of hearing about it, but what can be learned here? Well, for one I’m sure that there are a few states that would like to fix some things in preperation for future hurricanes. Save a life…once again, duh! Also, basic principals here (like “always be prepared”) can be gathered. That’s called speaking in analogies and metaphors and similies…which brings me to my next…Someone mentioned taking many things out of English Lit. and leaving ONLY the Bible. I’m going to break it to ya…not everyone is a Christian…Some people do not believe in the Bible. Do you like your Constitutional rights? You should. Amendment one is allowing you to have this discussion…and it’s allowing me to as well. So lovely… Now, part of that Amendment is Freedom of Religion. That means that you can believe what you want. That doesn’t mean that YOU can’t voice yourself and persuade the masses, but it also means that everyone else has that same right for their respective views. Therefore, having only the Bible in school is not going to happen. And it’s not wrong to read other things. Sure, you’re not suppose to read things that are obviously bad for you, but reading, expanding, teaching, and absorbing fact and ideas is a GREAT thing that allows for one to be more educated and more readily able to defend ones views. It also teaches you to think for yourself. Anywho, back to it. All these writers are great! No, you may not agree with what they are saying, but that does NOT make them a bad writer. And that does NOT mean you cannot learn from them. Major rhetorical strategies can be taken from there (that would be the Art or Science of writing basically) and much can be learned about what different people believe. That doesn’t mean you have to change your own beliefs. It is just you know have a better understanding of the world around you. And you need that knowledge in whatever debate you are in at some level.
    Now, about those Liberals. I think many of you believe that they are all a bunch of pro-abortion, yay gay-marriage, and wee gay-adoption. Well, most are, but do you know the economic ideas that go with Liberal thought? Well guys, that would be free trade amoung the countries for one. That means prices stay lower (or as low as possible) for you. Isn’t that nice? Also, Liberals are more for the middle class people while conservatives are for big business. Liberals want lower taxes for example. That’s higher prices. It’s basic economic theory. I’m sure you can look it up if you truly wish to know. All I’m saying here is that “Liberal” is more than you think. No I don’t think that abortion, or gay-marriage, or the adoption by gay couples is right, but as far as their economic ideas go. I like. That’s why you wnat someone who is in the middle. One with liberal economics and conservative views on most hte others.
    Okiedah, there was a person that thought Holocaust was a myth…I have news for ya. World War 2. Hitler was responsible for the slaughter of 6 million Jews plus some homosexuals, handicaps, mentally retarded, Gypsies, and other “undesirables.” The Holocaust is FACT. Think 1930s and 1940s (late and early respectively). FDR and Truman were the President durring this time. Unless American and World History are also Myth to you. If that’s the case then I’m afraid much more must be done before your mind can wrap around that idea. Also, in Sudan and Darfur (that’s in Africa by the way) another genocide (mass murdering…like the Holocaust!) is taking place. It’s sick, but it’s reality.
    “We have to be careful about any teaching that utilizes balloons in any way because they might inspire the lascivious thoughts of breasts, which of course, were sent here by Satan to confuse and destroy good Christian men from their torturing of gays, communists, and Muslims. In fact, as Christians we must make illegal ALL objects, either man-made or natural, that in any way could possibly remind our youth of the female body.” So, all of us women were given breasts by Satan? I think the Bible mentions GOD making women. (God also made brains too.) Oh yea, it’s right there at the begining of the Book. How could we miss that? Here is one more I hate (not really) to break to ya. God…made…SEX! It’s great. It’s special. God made the female form. And, He made it knowing that it was “pleasing.” Here’s a Bible study for you. Go read Song of Solomon. It’s a love poem between…*gasp* Solomon and his new bride. Anywho, men are suppose to like them. And that’s all fine and dandy so long as sex doesn’t happen until marriage. And to say that sex should be hidden from today’s youth is one of the dumbest ideas yet. There are so many dangers when it comes to sex. People need to be aware. Afterall, if one does not know the purpose of it, then one will surely abuse it. No, youth should not be watching porn or other inappropiate whatnot…but I’m afraid I don’t follow your balloon problem. In fact many probably wouldn’t think of it. AFterall, that’s not waht they would be for…or hinting at. You guys thinking about it kinda ruins it for you though I guess. *shrugs* The point–the female body is not bad, and you cannot justify using it as the fault for men’s straying thoughts. That would be your/their problem. So long as everything is covered…get over yourself. It’s like placing ALL the blame on Eve for getting them both tossed outta Eden. Adam was at fault too. He stood there, he watched, he did NOTHING, and he ate too. He was in charge and by being passive he lost as much. No choice is always a choice. And what is this about “good Christian men” “torturing” the homosexuals, Muslims, and communists??? Torturing????? Good????? You better rethink that. All those stereotypes you speak of contain…PEOPLE. And you are told to LOVE all people. You are NEVER told to go off “torturing” them! I must ask…have YOU eve cracked open a Bible???????????
    Anyways, I’m sick of writing. I hope you enjoy the reading material. Oh, and the CIA didn’t get me, aliens didn’t abduct me, and I’m not Liberal. I’m Christian. And I have learned to think for myself. I guess I may check back here eventually to see if any of you were amused by my thoughts. And this is just the shorthand version of my thoughts. I elaborate beyond this point at request.
    Good night to thee.

    Comment by La Mona — June 17, 2007 @ 8:21 pm | Reply

  115. What’s the matter guys? Did I hit ya a lil too hard? (^_^) I have more.

    Comment by La Mona — June 19, 2007 @ 3:45 pm | Reply

  116. “What’s the matter guys? Did I hit ya a lil too hard? (^_^) I have more.”

    No, it’s just that this thread is dead. Nobody’s checked it in a while, I guess.

    My position on science is quite clear: if it isn’t in the Bible, or if it’s a theory contrary to Scripture, it’s a lie. That’s about as clear as it gets, really.

    Comment by Sisyphus — June 19, 2007 @ 4:33 pm | Reply

  117. Explain thyself. For the Bible to explain every minute detail of Science it would be a never-ending book. Does the Bible explain brain surgery? Does it explain the process to make an Aspirin? Does it explain how the human body functions? (By that–the digestive tract workings, DNA, yadda yadda blah…) No. But it does mention people. It explains that people are different and each is loved by Him. People have imagination and free will, and they use that to create and do awesome things…and some not so awesome…but that’s from abuse. Science is a result of that! (read the part where I explained how people use it to explain functions set up by God….) So really, what you are getting out of the Bible is not clear. At least that is how it seems…I’m trying to keep up with who has said what in all this mess, so please forgive if I confuse you with someone else….though if you are generally with everyone in here…then it is of you that I speak.
    I saw someone quote a certain piece from the Bible that the earth was circular and God sat above it or whatnot. Well, is a sphere not a circular figure? Also, I think that people here are also under the impression that hte Bible was written in English! (Please note my writings on that.) It came from Hebrew…and in the translation to English…it was made as close to original meaning as possible. Hebrew is vastly complex…for example there are 7 words for our English word “praise.” So when you read in Psalms perhaps and see the word “praise” it could mean any one of 7 different Hebrew words.
    And I saw that someone else says the KJV is the only valid version of the Bible because man hasn’t messed with it….well, I think that my note on IT CAME FROM HEBREW!!!!! AND WAS TRASLATED should fix that. No?
    You people come up with short answers it seems. I wonder how much knowledege you have to defend yourself on some things. I could go on and on with what I believe and know to be truth, AND back it up with much logic and God (since this is “religious” views that’s important here…) but these people seem to just hold to the Earth is flat!!!!! Yea, right…I’m sure. (sarcasm) It seems blind to me. Perhaps this is because I’m a very anayltical person. *shrugs* Either way, what I see here is weak overall.
    Now, I mentioned much more than the Science views that this discussion started with. Care to share your views on those? Do you believe me to have a valid point or is “you Lib!” all that can be said of me….when that is not true, and a very childish seeming response in the end.

    Comment by La Mona — June 19, 2007 @ 4:58 pm | Reply

  118. “It’s a disk. The circumference is Antarctica, and the center of the circle is the North Pole. You flew around a smaller circle inside the circle of the world.”
    Oh, and this kills me….I must ask how this makes sense to you? Do you have any clue how much fuel an airplane requires? Do you deny the fact that fuel in NOT a renewable resource? Do you realize that the Middle East is responsible for most of the U.S’s fuel supply? (So, think of current gas prices and issues in the Middle East…I’m asking you to add 2+2. It’s not hard…I swear.) (Mexico is second supplier btw) Does it not makes sense that fuel would be conserved? Is the quickest way to a place on a flat surface not a straight line? Well, is it?!?!?!? Ok, so why in all the flippin’ snots would you take a plane in a circle over a FLAT surface to reach a place??? I know I know….lemme guess: The airlines like to take the “scenic route.” NO! That’s illogical. Let me explain. The Earth is ROUND. When you take a plane you don’t make a straight line. You fly in what is called in geometric terms, a parabola. Which is an arch like shape. Since I can’t show you the pictures to illistrate my point consider this….there are hundreds of planes in the air all at one time. The open sky is like a highway, and thus must be organized so that “traffic” problems do not arise. To do this computers are used. On these computers are tons of math calculations that figure the safest and shortest routes for air travel. It’s their GPS. Also, depart/arrival times are fixed so that everything is organized for landing. For that knowledge of the Earth’s shape must be known for those calcualtions to be valid and the planes not to be tangled in a “car wreck.” If the Earth was flat and they calculated in ways that described the Earth as round we would be having a lot of issues with air travel. For example, the times would be off for arrival times because a straight line and a curved parabola would be different figures, and planes end up on the same run way that was suppose to be clear. Do you see the issues we would have if the world was flat and we continued to calculate as we do…with the Earth being round!!!!! But we aren’t. Think about that. IT CAN’T BE FLAT!
    I’ll pick at something else later. I’m bored, and this is kind of entertaining.

    Comment by La Mona — June 19, 2007 @ 8:47 pm | Reply

  119. Once more, I am bored, and I wish to share one more act of idiocy that has taken place here….
    “However, the notion that Earth is shaped like a basketball is quite confusing. I watch the sport sometimes and notice that it is dominated by black males, but the earth is dominated by white Christian males. Therefore, using science, I can safely conclude that Earth must not be shaped like a basketball.”
    You watch basketball? Great for you. You are more easily amused than I. You are saying that because, in general, black males dominate basketball, but not the Earth then the Earth cannot be shaped like a basketball? Well, why don’t we call it a soccer ball then? It seems that Hispanics are pretty good at that game. Or a baseball! That one has many white men. All those are the same shape. What you just did was not Science. Sports played on the Earth by different cultural groups have nothing to do with the shape of the Earth. Perhaps if you studied the processes, and were not so blinded by your own twisted views that assumption would’ve popped up in your mind as asinine and I wouldn’t have to point it out to you. I am curious as to how you got a flat Earth out of your view of it being dominated by White Christian Males? Do all of them play Frizbee? Because with your sick logic, that would be it. Also, the world is not dominated by white Christian males. If you break it down China alone has more than 1/6 of the world population [1.6 or 1.7 billion out of 7 billion people] (and more English speaking people than in America….that’s sad. Education needs to be fixed because that makes us look stupid). Then take into account all the other Asian countries. That would be Japan, Korea, Mongolia, etc, etc, and the countries like Kazachstan…those people are “Asian” as well. After you add that up, take into account Africa. That is a whole continent. (That would be your black population.) How many people do you think that is? Oh, don’t forget that all the Hispanic/ Mexican Indian population is centered in Central and South America. Then you might be able to consider the white population. Ok, cut it in half…and leave slightly bigger half for the women because at the moment…we outnumber you. Next, caluculate 1/3 of that little number. That is how many of them belong to one of the 1000 Christian denominations. Of those, how many do you think agree with YOU??? (It’s not many.) Dang, don’t the numbers suck. You’re not a majority. Of those, how many are in high office that hold to their beliefs? Ow, we’re gettin’ tiny here aren’t we? Being in America, I guess I could see the thought that white males are dominate could come across….Therefore, I forgive your blind assumptions, but now that one more revelation has come your way–take hold. It’ll be good for ya.
    Also, I must ask you people–what are your views towards women? Should they be left at home? Work outside the house? Vote? Breathe without your permission? It seems that it’s mostly or all males in here, and that really sucks (for lack of a better word.) Overall, I’ve gotten the feeling that those views of yours are probably also unhealthy. Yet another area I could cover….

    Comment by La Mona — June 21, 2007 @ 10:46 am | Reply

  120. Your posts are entirely too long, Mona.

    “Oh, and this kills me….I must ask how this makes sense to you? Do you have any clue how much fuel an airplane requires? Do you deny the fact that fuel in NOT a renewable resource?”

    What does that have to do with the shape of the Earth?

    “Is the quickest way to a place on a flat surface not a straight line?”

    Depends on what you’re flying over, and where you’re going.

    “Well, is it?!?!?!?”

    If you’re asking for a straight up-or-down answer, and ignoring all other considerations, I’m going to have to say “No,” for reasons I’ve just given.

    “Ok, so why in all the flippin’ snots would you take a plane in a circle over a FLAT surface to reach a place???”

    Well, if you didn’t know any better, because you’d been brainwashed by NASA. OR, if you were afraid of getting shot down by Commies, which was a major concern back when all the flight routes were charted during the Cold War.

    “Do you see the issues we would have if the world was flat and we continued to calculate as we do…with the Earth being round!!!!! But we aren’t. Think about that. IT CAN’T BE FLAT!”

    And your arguments amount to the idea that computer programs are infallible. Color me unimpressed, Mona. I’ll take my Bible over your computer any day.

    “Also, I must ask you people–what are your views towards women? Should they be left at home?”

    Obviously, yes. Either that, or they’ll run about acting like Britney Spears, and before you know it society will have no morality whatsoever.

    Comment by Sisyphus — June 21, 2007 @ 11:08 am | Reply

  121. Alrighty, here goes. I am not a brainwashed lackey. Let’s try this again.
    1) Forgive the long posts…I’m afraid there is much to address here.
    2) Fuel not being a renewable resource means that it is something that will be conserved…not used to make circles over something you believe to be flat…I thought you would be able to add 2+2 there. Please forgive.
    3) If you are going over a flat surface (which on your “flat” Earth is flat no matter where you are in the air) then a straight line is always going to be the shortest distance between two points. That is a basic principal. At this point in time all else is irrelevant and that “all else” will be added later to draw final conclusions. If you do not believe that the shortest route between point A and B is a straight line on a flat surface then you are just in denial and if you cannot rise above that narrow mindset you have snuggled yourself into then this attempt of mine is almost fruitless. God help you. Now, when it comes to a “globe” the shortest trip is going to be in the shape of a parabola (already explained) and you can read that again because I don’t wish to re-type.
    4) You know what? NASA has no interest in brainwashing people. They could care less if you thought what they were doing is worthwhile or not because they are doing what they love. I am not brainwashed by anyone. Also, no one is going to be shot down by Commies. That is just paraniod on so many levels. What interest is an airliner? Oh, and the Cold War is technically over. It still comes back to–Your hypothesis (yea not theory–I may have to explain that later too.) wastes fuel. Also, computers are capable of the things I mentioned and they do the things I mentioned. Those computers function kinda like the computer you use to talk with me. In fact if computers suck so much and are evil…why are you here? I think if you read my previous posts I mention how people made computers using the talents God gave them………(I’m trying to keep it short for you, so can you please add this up correctly this time?)
    5) Next, on women. Brittany Spears needs help. She really does. But being a women does not make her that way. Are you saying that men are not capable of being bad? Once more, that’s twisted. (and it’s crap like this that makes my posts so long.) Not everyone is like her. Do you deny that females can have IQs as high or higher than males? (In other words some people are smarter than others and women have just as much chance at being the smarter one!) Personally, my IQ is above 140…that makes me a genius. I have the mental ability to comprehend, analyze, and learn at levels that exceed 99% of the population. I have the ability to do whatever a man can on whatever level. (in that sense…meaning in the case requiring a brain…understand? brain?) But hold on, let’s look at women working outside the home for a second. Why not? (what you state is not valid on multiple levels. I think you need to learn Psychology.) There are many many jobs out there that both men and women are suited for and can do, and some that women are better suited for. Why can’t a woman be a doctor? What’s stopping her? Many wonderful doctors are women. Why can’t they help in politics? (I don’t mean running to get the coffee.) Women can be great leaders–as great as any man, and there are women in the Bible that are leaders. Deny that and you deny your beliefs. Anywho, on to others. Men are just as capable of pulling a stunt like Brittany’s (in other words do sometihng immoral). Guys can and do do drugs, Guys murder. Guys have premartial sex. Guys sexually abuse. Guys steal. Guys lie. Guys are addicts to anythign and everything you can think of. Men commit more of the crimes in case you didn’t know. And men are more likely to be perverted freaks. Everyone on the face of the Earth has the ability to do bad things. It is up to that person to do them. Society already has few morals. Women are not to blame. People are to blame. Putting women in a box does not solve your problems. And you cannot blame women for your problems. That’s irresponsible. [Back to the first point] I’m not saying that ALL women should be outside the home. Some women want to be stay-at-home wives/moms, and that’s fine, but other options should not be closed to them.
    Of course, now that I’ve admitted that I’m female you prolly won’t take anything I say to heart will you? That makes me laugh. Does it amaze you that I have a brain? Or do you acknowlege the existence of such? I pray that you will learn one day. I hope that someone comes along that can convince you to come out of your little narrow box that you have wrapped yourself in. So with that…Good luck!

    Comment by La Mona — June 21, 2007 @ 5:14 pm | Reply

  122. My God, who left the door open for that long-winded feminazi to crawl through? Young lady, I could sum up your whole diatribe in two words,
    1)Liberal 2)Propganda. Reading through all that mess reminded me of the last time I was over at the farm. My husband and I were walking the fence to see how the red heifer was getting on when I stepped in something. It was weak, moldy, and pungent just like your little lecture on science.

    I will pray that you open your tiny Liberal mind to the wonders of life with Jesus Christ as your personal savior.

    Remember, Brownback in 2008!

    Comment by Mrs. T.D. Gaines-Crockett — June 21, 2007 @ 5:52 pm | Reply

  123. Once more I must point out…I am NOT liberal. Also from reading your response I can deduct that you understood nothing of what I said. …Otherwise you would not call me liberal…and much less a “feminazi.” In fact, let’s break that word down shall we? Start with the Nazi part. The Nazis were followers of Hitler. Hitler brainwashed an entire nation…and you know what he did? He cut out all “undesirables.” He censored what he didn’t like. And from what I’ve read you would like to censor all writings despite the value they may hold for various reasons that I explain. (It’s a long post…It’s in there somewhere.) And you would like to cut out those who you see as undesirable (I assume Liberals, Muslims, homosexuals, etc, etc…) Yea, sounds like someone’s got a modern day “Hitler” problem, and you’re following around like a bunch of Nazis. (That was an anology/metaphor by the way…it’s a favorite rhetorical device of mine…In fact, you can learn of it from those various writings you wish to toss.) Next, we’ll take the feminine piece of this…Yea, I’m female. So what? God made me that way. He also made me with a mind to challenge the norm and break molds and change lives. I cannot describe to you the wonders in my life that are a result of Christ. He is my Savior. He is my redeemer. He is my all. He saved my life….literally. If not for what He did for me then, and continues now, I would not be here, and you would not be wondering where your bottle of Asprin went.
    Oh, and about that propoganda….explain thyself…What propoganda? To me this sounds like an interesting conspiracy…I wish to listen–especially if I’m part of it, lol.
    Why is my lecture weak? I could most definitely say the same for the arguments here. …In fact if my is weak, then this load of snot here is ten times worse. Up to this point you have not contradicted what I have said. Instead you have crawled back into your narrow little hole in the ground and wrapped around your misinterpretations and called it rebuttal. In your two words you have summed up nothing of value. As both are false labels of myself. And as I said, made no point that could hold up in any court.
    Who left the door open? The Constitution dear. First Amendment…oh yea, I explained that too…go read it. On government notes. Brownback. He won’t make it. But, I’ll entertain you for a bit…what if he does? Do you really think that he can do all these things that you wish? (Bible only in school, persecution of Liberals and homosexuals, censorship by taking all other writings away, control the media….) No. I don’t believe you have a clear understanding of the president and his powers in government. Oh, dang, in fact, if you would embrace a little knowledge of government and its functions maybe you would be better equipped to hold water in an arguement…but you aren’t so let me help you out, and you can go from there. The president is one man in one branch of government (executive). There is this forever irritating branch (legislative) that makes the laws/passes the laws/votes on the laws/whatever. The president has the power to veto anything sure, but Congress can override with a 2/3 vote. In other words if the Congress doesn’t like what the president is spewing out of his mouth then it isn’t going to happen. The founding fathers thought of these things, and they set up government so that no one could come in and do such things to this country. Presently, the Democrats are in control of Congress. Oh, and don’t forget the Supreme Court! Those nine people are there until the day they day…period. Their job is to declare laws unconstitutional…that is their “check” in government. So when someone comes to them with a law that takes away freedom of expression (a.k.a First Amendment rights…which we are all presently exercising) they are going to drop the piece of crap in the shredder. (Just in case you didn’t know: Taking away all materials except the Bible to read, segregating certain stereotypes [Liberals, homosexuals, etc., etc…], and imposing through government a form of dominate religion is in violation of the First Amendment rights.) In other words, you guys aren’t going anywhere.

    Comment by La Mona — June 21, 2007 @ 10:21 pm | Reply

  124. If the Bible were the only text taught in schools, children would be oblivious to what it says other than the fact of what ppl tell them. Because in school children are taught the fundamentals that are needed to understand the world that they are supposed to live in for the rest of their lives. You can not live life with the knowledge of only the bible. IT WONT WORK!!!!!! A child needs more. The bible doesn’t teach events that have occured after it was written, it doesn’t teach of today’s culture, it doesn’t discuss the technology of today or the way the world has progressed. Some of you are IDIOTS!!!!

    Comment by W.S.S.I. — June 25, 2007 @ 7:42 pm | Reply

  125. I must fully agree with La Mona. These thoughts that some of you seem to possess, registar that you think the world should be of one mold, is that of a close minded person. The world is progressing by the second thoughts such like these are nonsense. And to think that Brownback will win and do similar things as of trying to get the bible into the schools is a hopeless, pointless, and a waste of your time and brain cells. Brownback won’t make it, La Mona was right as to her being liberal, I beg to differ. and to propaganda, are you aware of the meaning behind that word? And if not I suggest that you spend some time with good ole Mr. Webster. Nothing it her statements suggested that her “mind” was closed to God. You’re assuming, and frankly your really bad at it, Mrs. T. D. Gaines-Crockett! Yours sincerely, W.S.S.I.

    Comment by W.S.S.I. — June 27, 2007 @ 4:14 pm | Reply

  126. Lol, I have a buddy! I actually look forward to this next election. It will be my first chance to vote. I am glad someone could arrive here and digest my thoughts. I would like to know why Science being Man’s way of describing the processes set up by God is so hard! When God made things He had to make it logical…it had to work in some way! And as far as liberal goes–Your views of them (Crockett, Sisyphus, whatever you call yourself) is sickly ignorant. Can any of you acknowledge that yet? As far as you morals go you want conservative views, but my God, I pray you will open your eyes to education…at least in the area of government and politics…as that is kinda the realm here. You are dealing in areas that you do not have competent (not to be confused with complete)knowledge. By closing yourself to the different schools of thought because of the wall that has been placed in your mind by the stereotypical views you hold gives you NO room to improve on yourself for fear of helping the stereotype you think you hate. This in the political arena I call “political racism.” That really is my term…so you can’t look it up…not that you would as education still has no value to you in this field because you prolly don’t think the Bible deals with politics (which it DOES. But as long posts aren’t liked I think I’ll explain at request). This highly irritates me…your narrow mind. There are things in the Bible against that too. But, the more you spout off, the more I get to debate. *shrugs* I’m entertained either way. If nothing else I hope to help develop someone’s horrible debate skills. Name calling usually isn’t a good start. When you go for it (like your “feminazi”) at least back it up…with something other than obvious false labels…. I’m curious as to what you think Mrs. Crockett of my view as you the Nazi. Honestly, I think you have no idea what to say to me…at least nothing of value. Here’s a start: Learn to think for yourself. Explore the Bible. Explore God. Open your mind to the possible meanings in His word. The Bible is full of symbolism. It’s beautiful. I don’t know that I can really explain this unless you are a willing listener. Later!
    Well, it seems that there’s another one of these lovely little blogs in which I can exercise my First Amendment rights. Ah, the Constitution….

    Comment by La Mona — June 27, 2007 @ 5:49 pm | Reply

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