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May 22, 2007

I Have a Doubt

Filed under: Science — Sisyphus @ 8:08 am

Articles like this make me begin to seriously question NASA:

The launch of a privately funded US space module, Genesis II, has been delayed by a month for testing, the second such delay for it, its American makers said Monday.

Genesis II was scheduled for launch in Russia by a civilian Dnepr rocket, based on a modified intercontinental ballistic missile. But a Dnepr launch vehicle crashed shortly after lift-off last year.

The Nevada company Bigelow Aerospace, which constructed Genesis II, said on its website: “The Russian authorities have requested additional tests on the Dnepr rocket and its ground equipment.”

If I’m to believe NASA and the Soviet cosmonauts, we’ve had objects in space since 1957. Yet, 50 years later, we can’t figure out how to send one rocket up without doing a gazillion tests on it first. Why not use one of the rocket technologies that have supposedly worked so well for, oh, the last 50 years? Why the endless testing of tried-and-true techniques?

Incidents like this make me seriously question whether or not we’ve ever even really been into “outer space.” I’ve never been there; have you? Weren’t we supposed to have moonships charting us all to jobs on Mars by now? Yet when it comes time to put their money where their mouth is, NASA has been backing down for at least the last 40 years.

I’m not normally a conspiracy theorist. But things like this do give me pause:

Genesis II will test new systems, as well as carrying additional cameras and pictures and items that are part of a “Fly Your Stuff” programme.

Under the programme, the public has been able to purchase slots to provide photos and other small mementos to be carried aboard the craft for a fee of 295 dollars (220 euros).

The photos and items will be photographed and recorded by Genesis IIs interior cameras and displayed on the Bigelow Aerospace website.

There’s definitely a huge financial incentive involved in hoodwinking the public, if that’s what’s going on here. Conversely, the uproar if the space programs were found to be a hoax would be quite enormous.  Mobs would tear Cape Canaveral apart, for starters.

Philosophically, I’ve always had some qualms about the space race. After all, it purports to discount the idea of ether, which makes much more sense to me than a huge vacuum. Nature abhors a vacuum, so if the Universe consisted of one, why wouldn’t all the planets and stars be pulled apart trying to fill it? Also, NASA is a Kennedy program, so you have to think to yourself, “Money Pit.”  There’s nothing Democrats like more than a cash-siphoning boondoggle to their corrupt cronies; even when I was a Democrat, that was one of the triggers that made me vote Republican on occasion.

 The third problem I’ve always had with arguments for the space race are that scientists, as a class, seem so smug and dishonest to me.  Not to besmirch the reputation of every single scientist, but as a class, they seem like the kind of people who’d tell you that Martians colonized the Earth just because they found some rock with weird marks in it.  Snake oil salesmen, to put it in laymens’ terms.

None of that is necessarily reason enough to disbelieve NASA, of course. But the more I read of this website, the more questions I have.

As we begin to make this argument, we acknowledge beforehand that we are aware of the property of matter known as friction. Yes, we realize that whenever two surfaces are held together by any force there will be a static frictional force that will resist any motion by either surface in any direction other than parallel to the force. The example we are using is an extreme situation, and would involve the object in question to travel a considerable distance (tens of degrees of latitude) from the “top” of the planet.

Using the “round Earth” theory, setting an object on the earth would be like setting grains of sand on a beach ball. Certainly a few grains would stay – right around the top, the surface is nearly horizontal – but when you stray too far from the absolute top of the ball, the grains of sand start sliding off and falling onto the ground. The Earth, if round, should behave in exactly the same fashion. Because the top is a very localized region on a sphere, if the Earth were in fact round, there would be only a very small area of land that would be at all inhabitable. Stray to the outside fringes of the “safe zone”, and you start walking at a tilt. The further out you go, the more you slant, until your very survival is determined by the tread on your boots. Reach a certain point, and you slide off the face of the planet entirely. Obviously, something is wrong.

In order to avoid the aforementioned scenario, (which obviously is inaccurate, as you very rarely hear of people falling off the face of the planet) we are forced to assume that, in the “round Earth” theory, there would be a gravitational field radiating from the center of the planet. All objects, be they rocks, insects, humans, or other planets would have, under Efimovich’s theory, have a gravitational “charge” that would, under a certain alignment, cause them to be attracted to the center of the Earth. Unfortunately, like a magnet in a stronger magnetic field, it would undoubtedly require a long time to re-align an object’s gravitational charge, were this the case. And so we go to argument four, which deals with difficulties in having different “downs” for different people.

I can’t say I’m sold on this yet, and I can already envision the reaction the Helioleftists (hat tip: Marcia P.) will have to this post. But I’m serious. I think we need a dialogue- how do we know that NASA has, in fact, been into space? If they haven’t, how can we prove the world is round, instead of being (for the sake of argument) a flat disk with all continents perched on top? I know this sounds crazy, but at one point in time people thought the idea of splitting the atom was crazy, too. Or, probably, slicing bread. Or controlling fire. Or building an Ark just because God told you to.

 The point is, sometimes if we discuss things that sound crazy, we can arrive at the correct answer. I think that’s much better than, when someone proves beyond a reasonable doubt that the Earth doesn’t move, a bunch of yes-men glad-handing one another by citing telescopic data from rocketships they’ve never been on and have never conclusively proved even went into space. Why do you people keep asking me to assume the Bible is wrong, if you won’t, yourselves, assume for a moment that NASA might be lying, too?

That’s all I have to say about that for now. I acknowledge that my thoughts on it are all pretty muddled, but I’m keeping an open mind on the issues. Let’s discuss this in a civilized manner- I’ll refrain from calling you Darwinists if you’ll refrain from citing Darwin and Copernicus to blaspheme against my religion. Is it a deal?

UPDATE: Articles like this only deepen my suspicion.

The strongest evidence yet that ancient Mars was much wetter than it is now has been unearthed by NASA’s Spirit rover.

A patch of Martian soil kicked up and analyzed by Spirit appears to be rich in silica, which suggests it would have required water to produce.

Assuming this “rover” on Mars even exists, it found silica (sand). That, to them, indicates there was water there. Why? Because they rely on Darwinist geology, never even questioning the broader implications of their junk science.

Maybe there was water on Mars 5,000 years ago. Maybe not. But any attempt to look for water older than 5,000 years is doomed to fail, and if NASA had any grown-up thinkers in the show, they’d know that. Instead, they get all a-twitter over allegedly finding some sand on what they tell us is a barren red rock thousands of miles from here. What articles like this make ME think is that these scientists had a hot weekend in Vegas with YOUR tax dollars. They invented this story to cover up the expenditure of taxpayer dollars, to keep the money train rolling.

If President Brownback wants to keep NASA as a back-door means of funding programs he doesn’t want the moonbats to find out about, I’ll understand. I won’t say peep about it, either. Otherwise, he should shut this boondoggle down and kick these hedonists out on their posteriors. Let them find real jobs, doing real work.

186 Comments »

  1. What’s truly astounding is the ridiculous self-contradictory nonsense that NASA tries to foist on a gullible public. They say that space is a vacuum, and that they’ve actually been to outer space, but everybody knows that people explode when they’re placed in a vacuum.

    So where are the exploding astronauts? Huh? Where are they?

    Jesus does not look kindly upon fibbers, and those NASA people are going to have some explaining to do when the rapture comes.

    Comment by Carey Meiers — May 22, 2007 @ 8:21 am | Reply

  2. You may be right, Carey. You may be right. When it comes to the astronauts who claim the Earth moves, you’re undoubtedly right.

    I’d like to hear one of these Helioleftists come in and defend NASA, though. By the process of dialogue, we may come to the truth of this matter.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 22, 2007 @ 8:30 am | Reply

  3. By the process of dialogue, we may come to the truth of this matter.

    I don’t think so. The Helioleftists are so blinded by their own hatred of Jesus and America that it is impossible to reason with them. Just try casually mentioning the possibility that the earth may be stationary and the heathens will start calling you all sorts of nasty names – anything to distract from the fact that their argument is not based on logic or reasoning, but instead the result of blind faith from the brainwashing they received in our communist public school system.

    It’s so bad that most right thinking Christians are afraid to speak the Truth in public. But I know that our God is a Mighty Warrior, who loves everyone so much that He will smite the unbelievers mercilessly when the time comes.

    Comment by Carey Meiers — May 22, 2007 @ 9:01 am | Reply

  4. “I don’t think so. The Helioleftists are so blinded by their own hatred of Jesus and America that it is impossible to reason with them. Just try casually mentioning the possibility that the earth may be stationary and the heathens will start calling you all sorts of nasty names – anything to distract from the fact that their argument is not based on logic or reasoning, but instead the result of blind faith from the brainwashing they received in our communist public school system.”

    Hard to argue with you, there. Just look at the firestorm I ignited by questioning their Godless hero, Copernicus.

    “It’s so bad that most right thinking Christians are afraid to speak the Truth in public. But I know that our God is a Mighty Warrior, who loves everyone so much that He will smite the unbelievers mercilessly when the time comes.”

    True enough. And if Brownback supports Helioleftism in public, I’ll understand that this is why. The reality is that in a politically correct society like ours, you have to watch what you say about idiots, liars, madmen, charlatans, and evildoers, or before you know it, YOU’RE the bad guy somehow! It really makes no sense. When our nation puts the Lord back into its heart, things will improve.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 22, 2007 @ 9:07 am | Reply

  5. I don’t trust these people, Sisyphus. I think you should ban them from your blog. They won’t treat the truth respectfully. It’s like casting pearls before swine, if you ask me.

    Comment by Marcia P. — May 22, 2007 @ 9:46 am | Reply

  6. Your argument has little footing because you didn’t appear to bother doing any research before your ranting post.

    It starts with a false pretence: Bigelow Aerospace has NOTHING to do with NASA. It is a completely private company without any government funding. It is something free-market thinkers should actually applaud. The company has already managed to get one prototype into space completely on its own.

    Shouldn’t we be encouraging more commercial and less government-funded spaceflight?

    Do your research. Their Web site is http://www.bigelowaerospace.com.

    Comment by Mike Stefani — May 22, 2007 @ 9:57 am | Reply

  7. Hey, I found your blog because I get a google alert in my email for certain things in the space industry. I work in the private aerospace industry. If going into space is a hoax, ‘they’ are doing a good job of tricking all of the employees for every company that has anything at all to do with any mission, any satellite, or any space-related project.

    The past 50 years…. technology has come SO FAR! Do you realize the complexity, risk and safety measures that are required for space travel? If we had endless amounts of moeny and no political blockades, we would be on Mars by now!

    As far as earth not being round… give me a break, please! We can walk around on the planet.. not because it’s flat… It’s called GRAVITY! Outside of earth’s gravity, we are in an “orbit” because we are constantly falling around the planet.

    I feel sorry that your religion keeps your views on science so closed-minded. I think that it is a step in the right direction that you are considering the possibility that these events have taken place and that the astronauts and scientists are not liars.

    Alli

    Comment by Alli — May 22, 2007 @ 10:16 am | Reply

  8. Whoever wrote this, and ESPECIALLY Carey Meiers who keeps writing responses, have no concept of reality. Wake up people. I’m serious. You are all so stupid that I’m losing faith in humanity as we speak.

    The Earth is not flat. In fact, if you had a clue, you’d realize the Flat Earth Society is a JOKE website. The Earth is round. Believe me I take pictures of it with the satellite I’m paid to monitor every single day. Yes, a real satellite that is actually IN space. Believe it you tin-foil hat wearing retards.

    The Earth does revolve around the sun. Copernicus was right. You are a moron. Just because you can’t possibly comprehend how to scientifically use your brains to uncover facts about our universe that are previously unknown doesn’t mean you should dog on the guy that put in all the hard work to figure it out.

    Astronauts don’t explode in space because of a little thing called PRESSURIZED ENVIRONMENTS. A pressurized environment mimics the AIR PRESSURE that we experience down on Earth. If you paid attention in 7th grade science class and were not living in la-la land, you would know this.

    I’m a Christian, and I’m pretty sure Jesus loves everyone, even you. You’re lucky in this regard, because you’re pretty much pissing everyone off who God blessed with a completely functional brain. I’m sorry about your lack of intellect and your amazing ability to get wrapped up in anything that anyone posts online says, but you should all consider martyrdom for the sake of the herd to become stronger. Just look at those fun people at the Heaven’s Gate, they really helped out society, just as I have faith that you will too.

    Comment by Brandon G. — May 22, 2007 @ 10:42 am | Reply

  9. “Your argument has little footing because you didn’t appear to bother doing any research before your ranting post.”

    Start the thread off with insults. How refreshing!

    “It starts with a false pretence: Bigelow Aerospace has NOTHING to do with NASA. It is a completely private company without any government funding. It is something free-market thinkers should actually applaud. The company has already managed to get one prototype into space completely on its own.”

    Private companies can be in on the fraud, too.

    “Shouldn’t we be encouraging more commercial and less government-funded spaceflight?”

    I’m still not sure if we have any spaceflight to begin with.

    “Hey, I found your blog because I get a google alert in my email for certain things in the space industry.”

    That’s nice. Hello!

    “I work in the private aerospace industry. If going into space is a hoax, ‘they’ are doing a good job of tricking all of the employees for every company that has anything at all to do with any mission, any satellite, or any space-related project.”

    Well, they could always pay you a fat salary and tell you you’re doing a good job, but the bottom line is that they take home most of the money themselves.

    “The past 50 years…. technology has come SO FAR! Do you realize the complexity, risk and safety measures that are required for space travel? If we had endless amounts of moeny and no political blockades, we would be on Mars by now!”

    Yet we can’t even get a rocket into space. It makes me question what we’ve even been doing this entire time.

    “As far as earth not being round… give me a break, please! We can walk around on the planet.. not because it’s flat… It’s called GRAVITY!”

    The planet may be a disc. I’ve never been to Antarctica, so I can’t vouch for its dimensions.

    “Outside of earth’s gravity, we are in an “orbit” because we are constantly falling around the planet.”

    Assuming we’ve even been there.

    “I feel sorry that your religion keeps your views on science so closed-minded. I think that it is a step in the right direction that you are considering the possibility that these events have taken place and that the astronauts and scientists are not liars.”

    Actually, I was trending the other way. I used to believe them, but now I’m not so sure. But, thank you anyway!

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 22, 2007 @ 11:08 am | Reply

  10. “You are all so stupid that I’m losing faith in humanity as we speak.”

    Well, we’ll be sure to listen to you, then.

    “The Earth is not flat. In fact, if you had a clue, you’d realize the Flat Earth Society is a JOKE website. The Earth is round. Believe me I take pictures of it with the satellite I’m paid to monitor every single day. Yes, a real satellite that is actually IN space. Believe it you tin-foil hat wearing retards.”

    Or a computer-generated image your bosses installed to trick you into thinking was a satellite image. Assuming, of course, you’re not in on the hoax yourself. Judging by your hate-spewing comment, I’m leaning toward that possibility.

    “The Earth does revolve around the sun. Copernicus was right. You are a moron.”

    Copernicus said I was a moron?

    “Just because you can’t possibly comprehend how to scientifically use your brains to uncover facts about our universe that are previously unknown doesn’t mean you should dog on the guy that put in all the hard work to figure it out.”

    He lied about it, made it up, and took all the credit for destroying Christianity in Western Europe. Neither Darwin nor Marx could’ve existed without Copernicus. To pretend otherwise is the height of historical revisionism.

    “Astronauts don’t explode in space because of a little thing called PRESSURIZED ENVIRONMENTS.”

    Or, because they’re in studios.

    “I’m a Christian, and I’m pretty sure Jesus loves everyone, even you.”

    I’m sure He needed your permission for that.

    “You’re lucky in this regard, because you’re pretty much pissing everyone off who God blessed with a completely functional brain.”

    Satan cursed you with lies, and you listened to those lies.

    “I’m sorry about your lack of intellect and your amazing ability to get wrapped up in anything that anyone posts online says, but you should all consider martyrdom for the sake of the herd to become stronger.”

    Wonderful! Darwinist lemmings commit suicide. Christians do the work of the Lord.

    “Just look at those fun people at the Heaven’s Gate, they really helped out society, just as I have faith that you will too.”

    They were Darwinists. So are you.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 22, 2007 @ 11:14 am | Reply

  11. I love you, Sisyphus.

    Comment by Prometheus — May 22, 2007 @ 11:24 am | Reply

  12. Um, thank you, Prometheus. I guess.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 22, 2007 @ 11:28 am | Reply

  13. Dear Folks;

    What would jesus do? I believe he would raise honeybees. The bee is peaceful when at work and fights to the death when pushed.

    Jesus loves the little bees. Except when he destroys them with a virus that has evolved from the common cold.

    Sincerely,

    Richard Gozinya

    Comment by Dick Gozinya — May 22, 2007 @ 11:31 am | Reply

  14. Thanks for sharing, Richard.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 22, 2007 @ 11:39 am | Reply

  15. “Yet we can’t even get a rocket into space. It makes me question what we’ve even been doing this entire time.”
    Um, excuse me, but I have seen a space shuttle launch. I also infact take pictures of earth with a satellite every day. Believe me, it’s not fake- we have the most retarted IT department here- they are not coordinated enough to be hoaxing anything.

    Also, launch delays happen all the time, it’s political as much as anything else.

    “The planet may be a disc. I’ve never been to Antarctica, so I can’t vouch for its dimensions.”
    Again, I take pictures of a round planet everyday, so I’m pretty sure that is enough proof. My profession is in orbital mechanics, is my entire education and career a lie? Can you prove that it is fake and that I was brainwashed?

    Some questions for you:
    Do you believe in dinosaurs?
    Do you believe in the holocaust?
    How old do you think the earth is?
    Do you hang out in Wal-Mart?
    Do you listen to XM or Sirius radio?

    We would like to tag you and send you Matt’s stupid farm in Kansas during stupid people hunting season.

    Comment by Alli — May 22, 2007 @ 11:39 am | Reply

  16. Another classic Sisyphus. You continue to outdo yourself.

    Comment by Curious — May 22, 2007 @ 11:41 am | Reply

  17. “Um, excuse me, but I have seen a space shuttle launch. I also infact take pictures of earth with a satellite every day. Believe me, it’s not fake- we have the most retarted IT department here- they are not coordinated enough to be hoaxing anything.”
    Yeah, but you don’t know where that shuttle goes once it hits the ether. Maybe it flames out and drifts away. If it’s something they need to pretend to bring back to Earth, maybe they get really high up and then fly it somewhere secret for a few days, then come back.
    “Also, launch delays happen all the time, it’s political as much as anything else.”
    How do we know? That could be just what they want you to believe.
    “Again, I take pictures of a round planet everyday, so I’m pretty sure that is enough proof. My profession is in orbital mechanics, is my entire education and career a lie?”
    Very possibly.
    “Can you prove that it is fake and that I was brainwashed?”
    No, but I’m beginning to think that maybe that’s what really happened. How can you rule it out so assertively? Given what we now know about the Earth’s immobility, how can you be so confident about all of this?
    “Some questions for you:
    Do you believe in dinosaurs?”
    Yes, but they died in the Flood.
    “Do you believe in the holocaust?”
    Yes.
    “How old do you think the earth is?”
    About 6,000 years.
    “Do you hang out in Wal-Mart?”
    No, but I shop there.
    “Do you listen to XM or Sirius radio?”
    No.
    “We would like to tag you and send you Matt’s stupid farm in Kansas during stupid people hunting season.”
    That’s not very civil, is it Alli?

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 22, 2007 @ 11:45 am | Reply

  18. “Another classic Sisyphus. You continue to outdo yourself.”

    Whatever that means.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 22, 2007 @ 11:46 am | Reply

  19. This is a joke right?

    Comment by b — May 22, 2007 @ 12:07 pm | Reply

  20. Isn’t all science funding just a big waste of tax dollars?

    Another slush fund brought to us by the Democrats.

    Comment by Harry — May 22, 2007 @ 12:07 pm | Reply

  21. Good for you Sisyphus. Once you start tugging, the whole rotten edifice of “science” comes crashing down. The periodic table, for example, is obviously satanist.

    And if there’s no globe, there’s no global warming!

    Isaac Newton was an alchemist, Francis Bacon was a corrupt sodomite, and Copernicus did things to vile to write.

    Today’s defenders of this rubbish ADMIT they are paid. May they repent and feel the love of God.

    Comment by Praying hands — May 22, 2007 @ 12:15 pm | Reply

  22. You have doubts because you are ignorant. That is not an insult; I am not calling you dumb, just very poorly educated. The “logical arguments” that you use to develop your model of the universe are flawed.

    For example: you posted that if the earth is round then things will slide off the top of it. The problem with that is that if the earth is round there is no top! In fact the sand falling off a beach ball can be used to prove that there is gravity, and that it does indeed point towards the mass center of a round earth. You can do the experiment yourself, if you don’t trust anyone else. Just record very accurately which way sand falls, move a few hundred miles in any direction and test it again. Repeat as often as you want. You will see that the direction that the sand falls at each location is directly toward a point, locating the mass center of the earth. If the earth was flat the results of the test would result in the problems for a flat earth that you state for a round earth! As you moved farther away from the direction that the sand falls you would be pulled at steeper and steeper angles relative to the surface of a flat earth. But for a round earth you are simple pulled toward the center, and the surface is on average perpendicular to the lines through the center, making standing straight up, mean standing straight away from the center. Up is out.

    Science is a very simple thing, which allows mere mortals as you and I to find the truth. You don’t have to philosophize, guess, or believe in mythologies. You can know the answers for many questions, and prove them repeatable entirely yourself, with no need for liars (be they scientists or preachers, anyone can lie) to be involved. Simply pose a possible answer to your question, determine a way to test the answer and perform the test. That is all science is: A test to determine the truth of a possible answer to a question. I don’t think that a method for finding the truth should be considered evil by anyone.

    I think it is very important that humans stop basing our actions on beliefs. Creatures like us that have very powerful tools can do too much damage that way. If you have a gun, and you believe a bad guy is in your house and you shoot, there is a chance of killing your friend. You can not afford to base that action on what you believe, you must absolutely know before you shoot.

    If you are the commander in chief of a nation that has incredibly powerful military capabilities, including nuclear weapons, you can not “shoot” based on what you believe. You can do too much damage that way. You need to know.

    If a guy like you doesn’t know, then he should not be trying to telling others about science… you can do too much damage that way. And trust me, based on the statements that you make I can KNOW that you do not know.

    Comment by Topher — May 22, 2007 @ 12:39 pm | Reply

  23. There is no scriptural evidence of a rapture. The idea of a rapture is an escapist attitude.

    Comment by No evidence — May 22, 2007 @ 12:44 pm | Reply

  24. Show me scriptural evidence of a rapture

    Comment by No evidence — May 22, 2007 @ 12:48 pm | Reply

  25. “Isn’t all science funding just a big waste of tax dollars?

    Another slush fund brought to us by the Democrats.”

    Exactly right, Harry.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 22, 2007 @ 1:25 pm | Reply

  26. “Good for you Sisyphus. Once you start tugging, the whole rotten edifice of “science” comes crashing down. The periodic table, for example, is obviously satanist.

    And if there’s no globe, there’s no global warming!”

    That’s a good point. The science for “global warming” is alarmist nonsense, anyway.

    “Isaac Newton was an alchemist, Francis Bacon was a corrupt sodomite, and Copernicus did things to vile to write.”

    Very true. I’ve heard Francis Bacon was actually a woman. It may be a rumor, you hear the same thing about William Shakespeare. But it wouldn’t surprise me if both rumors were true.

    “Today’s defenders of this rubbish ADMIT they are paid. May they repent and feel the love of God.”

    I didn’t want to point that out, myself. It seemed slightly rude to mention that they were all probably in on the hoax.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 22, 2007 @ 1:28 pm | Reply

  27. “Show me scriptural evidence of a rapture”

    Jesus ascended to Heaven. We, too, shall do likewise one day.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 22, 2007 @ 1:29 pm | Reply

  28. “You have doubts because you are ignorant. That is not an insult; I am not calling you dumb, just very poorly educated.”

    The Bible is the finest education available.

    “The “logical arguments” that you use to develop your model of the universe are flawed.”

    Okay, let’s hear yours.

    “For example: you posted that if the earth is round then things will slide off the top of it. The problem with that is that if the earth is round there is no top!”

    I thought this is what the North Pole was traditionally considered to be.

    “In fact the sand falling off a beach ball can be used to prove that there is gravity, and that it does indeed point towards the mass center of a round earth.”

    Then why wouldn’t you fall from Greenland to Brazil?

    “You can do the experiment yourself, if you don’t trust anyone else. Just record very accurately which way sand falls, move a few hundred miles in any direction and test it again. Repeat as often as you want. You will see that the direction that the sand falls at each location is directly toward a point, locating the mass center of the earth. If the earth was flat the results of the test would result in the problems for a flat earth that you state for a round earth! As you moved farther away from the direction that the sand falls you would be pulled at steeper and steeper angles relative to the surface of a flat earth.”

    If the Earth is cylindrical (and we’re on one side of the cylinder), gravity would be constant throughout. If it’s flat, why wouldn’t the gravity be constant? It may only be 10 miles thick the whole way across. I’m not sure if I’m understanding you.

    “But for a round earth you are simple pulled toward the center, and the surface is on average perpendicular to the lines through the center, making standing straight up, mean standing straight away from the center. Up is out.

    “Science is a very simple thing, which allows mere mortals as you and I to find the truth. You don’t have to philosophize, guess, or believe in mythologies.”

    I trust my Bible more than someone else’s dubious experimental data. People lie; God doesn’t.

    “You can know the answers for many questions, and prove them repeatable entirely yourself, with no need for liars (be they scientists or preachers, anyone can lie) to be involved. Simply pose a possible answer to your question, determine a way to test the answer and perform the test. That is all science is: A test to determine the truth of a possible answer to a question.”

    Even if I did the experiments myself, I’d have to doubt my own competence, the quality of my equipment, the voices of my sins egging me on to embrace some result over another, etc. I cannot try this in good faith, without imperiling my soul.

    “I don’t think that a method for finding the truth should be considered evil by anyone.”

    We must all reach that decision for ourselves. Personally, I find the propensity toward evil too great.

    “I think it is very important that humans stop basing our actions on beliefs. Creatures like us that have very powerful tools can do too much damage that way. If you have a gun, and you believe a bad guy is in your house and you shoot, there is a chance of killing your friend. You can not afford to base that action on what you believe, you must absolutely know before you shoot.”

    The Bible is silent on those kinds of issues. Of course I think you should ascertain whom you’re shooting at. On the other hand, if you know some bad guys are in your house along with your friend, shooting may be the only answer. If I were tied up and being held for ransom, I’d want the police to light up my kidnappers with everything they had. Even if it cost me my life, I’d want the bad guys to know that Americans don’t negotiate with evildoers. My friends all feel the same way about it. If it comes down to letting them live and letting someone get away with something, or risking their lives to get the bad guy, they’ve all told me they prefer the latter course. You have to show criminals and evildoers that you mean business, or else.

    “If you are the commander in chief of a nation that has incredibly powerful military capabilities, including nuclear weapons, you can not “shoot” based on what you believe. You can do too much damage that way. You need to know.”

    It’s a tragic thing when innocent people are killed. On the other hand, no one’s forcing them to live where they live. If they’ve been given notice to vacate the city or nation, and they’ve stayed put, then I have little sympathy for them. If North Korea or Iran tested nuclear weapons, and I were President, I’d wallop them with everything we have. Some collateral damage is a small price to pay for the freedom and security of the rest of us.

    “If a guy like you doesn’t know, then he should not be trying to telling others about science… you can do too much damage that way. And trust me, based on the statements that you make I can KNOW that you do not know.”

    No one knows. That’s why I have no faith in science.

    Thank you for your comment, though. It was very civil.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 22, 2007 @ 1:40 pm | Reply

  29. Brandon G. wrote: The Earth is round.

    Sigh. The Earth is not “round”. The Earth is an oblate spheroid. If you actually took pictures of it with your “sattelite” which is purportedly out in “space” you would know this. Instead, the fact that you don’t see the bulges at the equator tells me that your “sattelite” is actually taking pictures of something else entirely. Can you say M-O-D-E-L?

    Why do you heilioleftists insist on commenting on matters which your are clearly woefully underinformed? It only serves to prove that you are living outside the grace and wisdom of the Lord.

    Astronauts don’t explode in space because of a little thing called PRESSURIZED ENVIRONMENTS.

    If they’re in a pressurized environment, then they’re not really in space, are they? I can’t believe anybody would be so gullible as to fall for the obviously transparent video trickery that is NASA, but then again millions of people voted for that moonbat Al Gore, so I guess I shouldn’t be all that astonished.

    If you paid attention in 7th grade science class and were not living in la-la land, you would know this.

    Oh, I paid attention. It’s just that I had a certain Somebody standing next to me at the time that made me immune to the communist brainwashing.

    Comment by Carey Meiers — May 22, 2007 @ 1:42 pm | Reply

  30. The periodic table, for example, is obviously satanist.

    The periodic table is not to be trusted. “Periodic” has obvious feminine connotations, and we know what happened last time man listened to a woman. Goodbye, Eden! Hello wandering in the desert for four thousand years until Jesus showed up to put things right.

    Comment by Carey Meiers — May 22, 2007 @ 1:51 pm | Reply

  31. These aeronautics people are very nasty and insulting, aren’t they? It makes me a little bit suspicious. Why are they so defensive? What are they afraid of?

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 22, 2007 @ 1:55 pm | Reply

  32. Jesus ascended into heaven, you’re right. No where does it say that all believers will be raptured during the tribulation. Left Behind is only a book / movie, not gospel.

    Comment by No evidence — May 22, 2007 @ 2:07 pm | Reply

  33. If my world view was built on as shaky a foundation as theirs, I’d probably be defensive too. I think at some level they know they’re wrong, but won’t admit it.

    And obviously they are afraid because of the reward they surely face on the other side – eternity is a long time to spend outside the sweet sucor of our Savior.

    Comment by Carey Meiers — May 22, 2007 @ 2:09 pm | Reply

  34. It’s sad that people endanger their souls so recklessly, and all for such a tiny portion of the world. I find it disheartening, frankly.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 22, 2007 @ 2:21 pm | Reply

  35. Sisyphus, show me where in the Bible it says that all believers will be raptured during the tribulation? Not a vague reference. Give me a verse.

    Comment by No evidence — May 22, 2007 @ 2:42 pm | Reply

  36. It does not say that all believers will be raptured, only the true believers. i.e. those of us who have faith.

    Looks like you’ll be staying behind. Shame, that is.

    Comment by Carey Meiers — May 22, 2007 @ 2:50 pm | Reply

  37. Jesus watches over all of us. Whether you work for NASA or just spend your time trolling for outraged twenty-somethings – Jesus and his worker bees will take care of us. Like children and honey, I am drawn to the honeycomb of Christ.

    I feel very comfortable going to bed at night know that Jesus loves me and that Roger is reading my email.

    Comment by The Manager — May 22, 2007 @ 2:58 pm | Reply

  38. Give me a verse.

    Comment by No evidence — May 22, 2007 @ 3:07 pm | Reply

  39. This is fast becoming my favorite blog. It’s absolutely hilarious!

    Comment by Gus — May 22, 2007 @ 3:10 pm | Reply

  40. Still haven’t seen a verse that states that. So where is it?

    Comment by No evidence — May 22, 2007 @ 3:18 pm | Reply

  41. Give me a verse.

    “Everything is possible for him who believes.”
    – Mark 9:23

    Comment by Carey Meiers — May 22, 2007 @ 3:21 pm | Reply

  42. Still haven’t seen a verse that states that. So where is it?

    “Trust in the Lord with all your heart; and don’t lean on your own understanding. In all things acknowledge him, and he shall direct your way.” [Proverbs 3:5, 6]”

    Comment by Carey Meiers — May 22, 2007 @ 3:24 pm | Reply

  43. I do trust in the Lord. But what that verse doesn’t state is that all believers will be raptured during the tribulation.

    Comment by No evidence — May 22, 2007 @ 3:35 pm | Reply

  44. No evidence—

    You do like chapter and verse, don’t you? You may wish to meditate long and hard to see whether Gen 27:15-27 has any lessons for the anguish you are currently experiencing. I think you will find there all the answers you seek.

    Comment by Vergil — May 22, 2007 @ 3:39 pm | Reply

  45. “It does not say that all believers will be raptured, only the true believers. Looks like you’ll be staying behind. Shame, that is.”

    Remember, judge not lest ye be judged.

    Comment by No evidence — May 22, 2007 @ 3:48 pm | Reply

  46. I stumbled upon your post from the 18th… my mistake. We’ve just reignited the whole heliocentric viewpoint thing again, only this time the Earth is flat as well as being in the center of the solar system. I can’t even bring myself to read the 300 and something comments. But I’m sure If I’m really bored someday, it might be entertaining.
    https://blogs4brownback.wordpress.com/2007/05/18/heliocentrism-is-an-atheist-doctrine/

    It just really seems you are living in the 18th century or something. I bet the people that invented the technology that your very computer runs from were also evil heliocentrics as well. Maybe blogging in general is a sin. Or maybe I’ve sinned by wasting my time looking/reading/posting to your blog… oh wait, yes, I have realized how much time I wasted on this. Approximately 99.99% of the world believes that the sun is at the center of the solar system… so yeah…

    “Yeah, but you don’t know where that shuttle goes once it hits the ether. Maybe it flames out and drifts away. If it’s something they need to pretend to bring back to Earth, maybe they get really high up and then fly it somewhere secret for a few days, then come back.”

    This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard in my entire life. I’m sure the shuttle aborts every mission and lands in a secret location, launches again a number of days later- aborts, and lands in the correct location.
    Even my cat is laughing at you.

    Comment by Alli W. — May 22, 2007 @ 3:52 pm | Reply

  47. I do trust in the Lord.

    The why do you question His teachings?

    Comment by Carey Meiers — May 22, 2007 @ 3:54 pm | Reply

  48. God will judge us when He raptures us. That’s how we’ll know who’s who.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 22, 2007 @ 3:55 pm | Reply

  49. I have a question regarding your statement that “Maybe there was water on Mars 5,000 years ago. Maybe not. But any attempt to look for water older than 5,000 years is doomed to fail”. Why would any attempt to look for water of this age fail? Are claiming that it has been removed? Please just give a reason to back up your claim.

    Comment by hoverfrog — May 22, 2007 @ 4:05 pm | Reply

  50. There is no, again, NO scriptural evidence of a rapture. Do you have any clue how that idea even came into being?

    It didn’t originate from prophets or authors of the Bible. It came from the vision of some random girl and her preacher started teaching it as gospel in 1800s.

    Look in the Bible and you won’t see any evidence of a rapture. Believers will rise, but it NEVER EVER says during a “rapture.”

    Comment by No evidence — May 22, 2007 @ 4:06 pm | Reply

  51. “I stumbled upon your post from the 18th… my mistake. We’ve just reignited the whole heliocentric viewpoint thing again, only this time the Earth is flat as well as being in the center of the solar system.”

    Very possibly. Since the evidence overwhelmingly proves the Earth doesn’t move, it seems reasonable to question the role of NASA in propogating the lies and distortions that aid and abet the Helioleftist agenda.

    “I can’t even bring myself to read the 300 and something comments. But I’m sure If I’m really bored someday, it might be entertaining.”

    Whatever.

    “It just really seems you are living in the 18th century or something. I bet the people that invented the technology that your very computer runs from were also evil heliocentrics as well.”

    Good things can come from evil people, you know. If Judas hadn’t betrayed Jesus, none of us could be saved.

    “Maybe blogging in general is a sin.”

    The Bible doesn’t say so.

    “This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard in my entire life. I’m sure the shuttle aborts every mission and lands in a secret location, launches again a number of days later- aborts, and lands in the correct location.
    Even my cat is laughing at you.”

    Your cat is probably possessed by demons.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 22, 2007 @ 4:07 pm | Reply

  52. “It didn’t originate from prophets or authors of the Bible. It came from the vision of some random girl and her preacher started teaching it as gospel in 1800s.

    Look in the Bible and you won’t see any evidence of a rapture. Believers will rise, but it NEVER EVER says during a “rapture.”

    Enos is laughing at you in Heaven right now. So is Jesus.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 22, 2007 @ 4:10 pm | Reply

  53. Do you believe the Bible is to be interpreted literally?

    Comment by No evidence — May 22, 2007 @ 4:20 pm | Reply

  54. This *is* a parody, right? Right?

    Comment by human — May 22, 2007 @ 4:35 pm | Reply

  55. Unfortunately I don’t think it is.

    Comment by No evidence — May 22, 2007 @ 4:43 pm | Reply

  56. The Bible is the Truth, word for word. It must be interpreted according to what it says.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 22, 2007 @ 4:48 pm | Reply

  57. So the Bible is up for interpretation?

    Comment by No evidence — May 22, 2007 @ 4:50 pm | Reply

  58. “So the Bible is up for interpretation?”

    No. The only interpretation is verbatim.

    The Rapture is shown by the example of Enos, Elijah, and Jesus.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 22, 2007 @ 5:04 pm | Reply

  59. It is often said in the Bible that God spake unto Moses, but how do you know that God spake unto Moses? Because, you will say, the Bible says so. The Koran says, that God spake unto Mahomet, do you believe that too? No.

    Why not? Because, you will say, you do not believe it; and so because you do, and because you don’t is all the reason you can give for believing or disbelieving except that you will say that Mahomet was an impostor. And how do you know Moses was not an impostor?

    Comment by Curiouser and Curiouser — May 22, 2007 @ 5:31 pm | Reply

  60. Enos and Elijah were the exceptions, not the rule. What about the apostles and other people who were killed? How does two “raptures” prove that everyone will be?

    Jesus is the son of God. He wasn’t raptured, FYI. He rose from the dead. Quite the opposite of a rapture.

    Comment by No evidence — May 22, 2007 @ 5:32 pm | Reply

  61. This blog is awesome. I wish ‘no evidence’ would go away and hug some hippies or something. Blah, blah, blah. Did somebody spike this guy’s granola, or what?

    Comment by Kenny — May 22, 2007 @ 5:40 pm | Reply

  62. Sisyphus, what have you done with my BFF Psycheout? He didn’t take it seriously all that stuff I said about how I smoked dried fetus tissue to get high, did he? Because I was just kidding. Sort of. Anyway, tell him I’ve come around to his viewpoint on the subject of defecating on the flag, and I miss his comments at Sadly, No!

    Comment by HTML Mencken — May 22, 2007 @ 6:00 pm | Reply

  63. If you were actually able to go float around the whole world like some here are saying, then Einstein’s relativity says you would go back-in-time as the sun rises in the West and sets in the East! I don’t think we’ve seen any Astronauts land weeks before they take off, do you?

    Comment by Of the Faith — May 22, 2007 @ 6:03 pm | Reply

  64. Good grief. All you Leftists get in a tizzy because someone dares to question conventional wisdom? I thought you were the ones who are so proud of how you “question authority.” I guess that only applies if it’s a Republican on the receiving end.

    Anyway, relax. It’s not like Sisyphus is denying gravity or something.

    Comment by Justin Bailey — May 22, 2007 @ 7:46 pm | Reply

  65. We know that ether does not exist. We have proven it MANY times over with something known as the “Michelson-Morley Experiment”. Look it up and you will understand.

    If you are looking for proof that the world is round, look into the experiments conducted by aristarchus. He found that the world was round 300 years before Jesus was born.

    The best part of all of this, is that you can see these things with your own eyes. You can do them yourself. So why have such a distrust of what other people have told you, when you haven’t even tested their word?

    Comment by Michelson — May 22, 2007 @ 9:49 pm | Reply

  66. Incidents like this make me seriously question whether or not we’ve ever even really been into “outer space.” I’ve never been there; have you?

    People keep telling me about this country called China, but I seriously doubt it exists. After all, I’ve never been there; have you?

    After all, it [the space race] purports to discount the idea of ether, which makes much more sense to me than a huge vacuum.

    Science isn’t just about what “makes sense.” If science relied on common sense, doctors would still scoff at the idea of washing their hands between patients. Science relies on empirical evidence (e.g., a correlation between doctors washing their hands and fewer cases of childbed fever–see a discussion of Semmelweis’ childbed fever hypothesis), not on what common sense says sounds right.

    The third problem I’ve always had with arguments for the space race are that scientists, as a class, seem so smug and dishonest to me. Not to besmirch the reputation of every single scientist, but as a class, they seem like the kind of people who’d tell you that Martians colonized the Earth just because they found some rock with weird marks in it.

    You’re right that many researchers are arrogant, and one of the issues academia is trying to deal with is the cockiness that many scholars feel entitled to. But true scientists aren’t “snake-oil salesmen,” as you put it. Most scientists are anything but dishonest, at least when it comes to discussing their results, and scientists caught being dishonest about their work lose credibility and, often, their careers. If scientists make public claims about their findings, but others can’t reproduce or observe the same or similar results, they again lose credibility (the Fleischmann-Pons cold fusion debacle is an excellent example of this). In other words, scientists wouldn’t try to convince you that Martians colonized Earth unless there was a lot of compelling empirical evidence.

    how do we know that NASA has, in fact, been into space? If they haven’t, how can we prove the world is round, instead of being (for the sake of argument) a flat disk with all continents perched on top?

    How are are the two related? People realized that the earth isn’t flat long before NASA came into existence. (This Web site provides some of the arguments for a spherical Earth that are unrelated to spaceflight, in case you weren’t familiar with them.)

    Let’s discuss this in a civilized manner- I’ll refrain from calling you Darwinists if you’ll refrain from citing Darwin and Copernicus to blaspheme against my religion.

    Darwinists? No! I couldn’t stand it if you called us Darwinists!

    I’m sure you think it’s terribly clever asking for people who don’t share your worldview to discuss in a civilized manner the topics you presented, when you yourself have been anything but civil, but I think it’s hypocritical (and Jesus would probably tell you to take the plank out of your eye before you try to swipe the speck out of mine). The following gem, taken from the end of your post, is characteristic of this deliciousness: “he [Brownback] should shut this boondoggle [NASA] down and kick these hedonists out on their posteriors. Let them find real jobs, doing real work.” This is your idea of a civilized discussion? OK, fabulous.

    Comment by The Skepticist — May 23, 2007 @ 3:04 am | Reply

  67. “I feel very comfortable going to bed at night know that Jesus loves me and that Roger is reading my email.”

    Who’s Roger?

    HTML Mencken, Psyche Out’s on hiatus. I’ve been trying to reach him, but so far, no luck.

    “Enos and Elijah were the exceptions, not the rule. What about the apostles and other people who were killed? How does two “raptures” prove that everyone will be?”

    Those weren’t the End Times yet.

    “If you were actually able to go float around the whole world like some here are saying, then Einstein’s relativity says you would go back-in-time as the sun rises in the West and sets in the East! I don’t think we’ve seen any Astronauts land weeks before they take off, do you?”

    This just further cements my opinion that Einstein was a fraud. Minkowski, too.

    “The best part of all of this, is that you can see these things with your own eyes. You can do them yourself. So why have such a distrust of what other people have told you, when you haven’t even tested their word?”

    The only word I need is the Word of God.

    “Why not? Because, you will say, you do not believe it; and so because you do, and because you don’t is all the reason you can give for believing or disbelieving except that you will say that Mahomet was an impostor. And how do you know Moses was not an impostor?”

    It’s in the Bible that Moses was real. Mahomet isn’t in the Bible, so his text is phony.

    “People keep telling me about this country called China, but I seriously doubt it exists. After all, I’ve never been there; have you?”

    It probably exists, though. After all, many of the people who’ve been there aren’t getting paid to talk about it. That’s the difference between China and outer space- the financial incentive to lie about China’s existence is non-existent.

    “If science relied on common sense, doctors would still scoff at the idea of washing their hands between patients.”

    And maybe they should. Who knows WHAT’S in that tapwater they use? Fluoride is probably the least of our concerns.

    Frankly, I’d rather have childbed fever than a fluoridated, lead-ridden, benzene-addled interior- which is a cautious guess at what the average dose of tapwater contains, particularly in a moonbat state like New Jersey or California.

    “In other words, scientists wouldn’t try to convince you that Martians colonized Earth unless there was a lot of compelling empirical evidence.”

    Scientists are funded by the government. If the government tells them to lie about outer space for national security, they’ll do it. If not, Kennedy probably would’ve had a couple of them killed, as a lesson to the others.

    “How are are the two related? People realized that the earth isn’t flat long before NASA came into existence. (This Web site provides some of the arguments for a spherical Earth that are unrelated to spaceflight, in case you weren’t familiar with them.)”

    I’ll look at it, and get back to you. Thanks.

    “This is your idea of a civilized discussion? OK, fabulous.”

    Well, if you disagree, tell me why we need NASA. We can’t navigate through the ether yet, and I don’t see them working on the problem. I feel compelled to assume they’re wasting our money. There’s no need for you to take it so personally. I’m sure the NASA employees can find gainful employment elsewhere. This is America. No one starves to death on the streets here. No one’s homeless, unless they choose to be.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 23, 2007 @ 5:44 am | Reply

  68. Who knows WHAT’S in that tapwater they use? Fluoride is probably the least of our concerns.

    Frankly, I’d rather have childbed fever than a fluoridated, lead-ridden, benzene-addled interior- which is a cautious guess at what the average dose of tapwater contains, particularly in a moonbat state like New Jersey or California.

    Your suspicions are not unfounded, Sisyphus. Surely you have observed the epidemic of homosexuality in this country, as well as the declining birthrate. These are not unrelated issues, I am happy to say.

    We produce way too much soy in this country. Now if we were capitalists, this overproduction would soon cease with the laws of the market. But since we are socialists, we keep having a surplus. The government, in its enlightened majesty, purchases this excess soy and dumps it into reservoirs and aquifers. Soy, as you know, has hormonal properties and… well, I’ve probably shouldn’t go any further. Sufficient to say, when I look around at barren women who desire nothing but to raise a brood of god-fearing children, I thank soy. When I exhaustedly and stickly extract myself from the thrice-weekly gay orgies I participate in, I thank soy. And above all, I thank the government. Then I drink another glass of cool refrshing tap water.

    Comment by HTML Mencken — May 23, 2007 @ 7:02 am | Reply

  69. Soy makes people gay? Dammit, all those years as a vegetarian eating soy burgers and fathering children and I’ve been in denial. Luckily I now know that I can find government sponsored gay sex partners in America. It’s a good thing I read this blog or I may never have seen the truth.

    Comment by hoverfrog — May 23, 2007 @ 7:18 am | Reply

  70. Yep, tofu and any other soy products make you gay. Conclusive scientific proof here.

    When did you start hearing about homosexuals? The sixties, right? When did people start eating all that hippie food? The sixties. Do you really think that there’s no correlation?

    Comment by Carey Meiers — May 23, 2007 @ 7:35 am | Reply

  71. Not only do I think that there is no correlation, I think that you “Conclusive scientific proof” as a load of rubbish. “When did you start hearing about homosexuals?” Well it’s mentioned in the bible once or twice but that book can’t really be taken as an accurate historical text but same sex congress was documented in Ancient Greek texts. Pliny the elder event tried to categorise homosexuals as a third gender. The earliest reference that I am aware of is Niankhkhnum and Khnumhotep(fl. 2450 BC) Egyptian overseers of manicurists in the royal palace. I suppose that the Ancient Egyptians ate a lot of soya did they?

    Comment by hoverfrog — May 23, 2007 @ 8:19 am | Reply

  72. Things I learned from this blog:

    1. The Earth does not revolve around the sun.
    2. The world is, quite possibly, flat.
    3. The moon landings never happened.

    All that in a few short days!

    I love this blog. Love it.

    Comment by Markk — May 23, 2007 @ 8:45 am | Reply

  73. “Your suspicions are not unfounded, Sisyphus. Surely you have observed the epidemic of homosexuality in this country, as well as the declining birthrate. These are not unrelated issues, I am happy to say.”

    It seems quite possible to me. I don’t want to rush to conclusions, but this would explain quite a lot if this was connected to some chemical in our groundwater.

    “We produce way too much soy in this country. Now if we were capitalists, this overproduction would soon cease with the laws of the market. But since we are socialists, we keep having a surplus. The government, in its enlightened majesty, purchases this excess soy and dumps it into reservoirs and aquifers. Soy, as you know, has hormonal properties and… well, I’ve probably shouldn’t go any further. Sufficient to say, when I look around at barren women who desire nothing but to raise a brood of god-fearing children, I thank soy.”

    Why would you be grateful for this?

    “When I exhaustedly and stickly extract myself from the thrice-weekly gay orgies I participate in, I thank soy. And above all, I thank the government. Then I drink another glass of cool refrshing tap water.”

    It’s hard for me to tell if you’re being serious or not. If you’re not, I pity you for joking about the homosexuality epidemic engulfing this nation. If you ARE, I pity you for succumbing to it. I don’t know if soy in the groundwater is the cause of it or not, but I intend to investigate that possibility. If I hear any results, I will post them on this blog.

    I feel very sorry for you. If there’s anything you need me to do for you, don’t hesitate to ask. You are in my prayers.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 23, 2007 @ 8:53 am | Reply

  74. “Soy makes people gay? Dammit, all those years as a vegetarian eating soy burgers and fathering children and I’ve been in denial. Luckily I now know that I can find government sponsored gay sex partners in America. It’s a good thing I read this blog or I may never have seen the truth.”

    I’m worried if he’s serious. I once ate part of a soy burger. I hated the way it tasted, so I didn’t finish it. But now I have to admit that I don’t know what kind of weird chemicals were in there. I’m very upset about it.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 23, 2007 @ 8:54 am | Reply

  75. I have learned a few things from the bible. It has some valuable information in it. You will live a better life if you take the best parts of the bible as a guide for your life. But it is not a very good history book, and it is a terrible book when it comes to accurately describing the universe. For those who believe that you have to take everything in the bible literally, or throw the whole thing out, I think you would be better off throwing the whole thing out. My choice is to learn what can be learned from each source available, not intentionally limit my knowledge by blindly following the words of a very few of thousands of ancient manuscripts. Sadly most earthcentricrightests are not even willing to analyze the bible for consistency, let alone test it for accuracy. I know it is a source of pride that you simply believe these things to be true. But to take something on faith just because you were born into them, and never bothered to question it, or test it for accuracy is not something to be proud of. It is lazy and dangerous. It means that if you were born somewhere else and raised with a different religion you would follow that religion just as strongly as you follow the bible now. You would be doing just what your preachers tell you, be they Christian preachers in the US, or Muslim clerics in Iran. Followers without question. Very scary way to live, and very damaging to us all. In the words of a right wing leader that most of you really like “Trust, but verify!”

    Comment by Topher — May 23, 2007 @ 8:59 am | Reply

  76. Oh, no, Carey. Looks like you’ve found the smoking gun. My only hope is that I didn’t get a big enough dose of the stuff for it to inspire me to change my lifestyle.

    You know, back when I was a Democrat, one of my friends was homosexual. He was one of the most depraved individuals I ever met. He wouldn’t stop coming on to me. He made me realize that homosexuality is an abominable lifestyle. I started becoming a Republican because of the way he acted around me.

    “Not only do I think that there is no correlation, I think that you “Conclusive scientific proof” as a load of rubbish. “When did you start hearing about homosexuals?” Well it’s mentioned in the bible once or twice but that book can’t really be taken as an accurate historical text but same sex congress was documented in Ancient Greek texts. Pliny the elder event tried to categorise homosexuals as a third gender. The earliest reference that I am aware of is Niankhkhnum and Khnumhotep(fl. 2450 BC) Egyptian overseers of manicurists in the royal palace. I suppose that the Ancient Egyptians ate a lot of soya did they?”

    That’s the thing. There was a lot of soy in the diet back then. In certain cultures, it probably leaked into the groundwater and affected them.

    Probably, that’s why the whole city of Sodom went homosexual at the same time. Evil is a lifestyle choice, but probably soy makes that lifestyle more acceptable somehow.

    I’m going to read that website more closely.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 23, 2007 @ 9:02 am | Reply

  77. Glad you like the site, Markk. Keep coming back, and be sure to vote Brownback!

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 23, 2007 @ 9:02 am | Reply

  78. “For those who believe that you have to take everything in the bible literally, or throw the whole thing out, I think you would be better off throwing the whole thing out.”

    That way lies madness, Topher.

    “In the words of a right wing leader that most of you really like “Trust, but verify!”

    There’s a big difference between the Soviets and the Almighty.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 23, 2007 @ 9:07 am | Reply

  79. Carey’s website is very chilling. I’m safe, I hope. As adults, our bodies are more resistant. The children are not so fortunate.

    I’ll write a post about this tomorrow. The news has been out there for a few months; I can’t believe I wasn’t warned of this earlier. But after the election I was in a funk for a month or two, and stopped reading the news. So in a sense, it serves me right.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 23, 2007 @ 9:15 am | Reply

  80. Sisyphus, are you saying that consuming soy (either directly or through dipisits in the water supply) makes you gay (an environmental cause) or are you saying that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice? It’s very important, because if homosexuality is caused by environmental factors as you suggest then you could obliterate an enemy nation is just one generation by contaminating their water and turning everyone as gay as a handbag full of rainbows.

    Think what this would mean to modern warfare. Rather than spending millions on weapons of mass destruction or slowly contaminating a land with ammunition made from depleted uranium you could just dump all that excess soya into the water and sit back and wait. Within a few weeks the enemy will be spending all their time performing unnatural acts on each other and the troops can march in and take over.

    I should point out that I’m not being serious as you seem to have trouble recognising irony. Maybe the “handbag full of rainbows” comment might have given it away but I can’t be certain.

    Comment by hoverfrog — May 23, 2007 @ 9:28 am | Reply

  81. “Sisyphus, are you saying that consuming soy (either directly or through dipisits in the water supply) makes you gay (an environmental cause) or are you saying that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice?”

    I don’t know. It could be a lifestyle choice influenced by environment. Or it could be that choosing homosexuality as a lifestyle makes you eat more soy, which only reinforces your choice.

    “It’s very important, because if homosexuality is caused by environmental factors as you suggest then you could obliterate an enemy nation is just one generation by contaminating their water and turning everyone as gay as a handbag full of rainbows.”

    That’s a good point. We should do that to Iraq. It would serve them right for their ingratitude at receiving their freedom.

    “I should point out that I’m not being serious as you seem to have trouble recognising irony. Maybe the “handbag full of rainbows” comment might have given it away but I can’t be certain.”

    I thought you were serious. It seemed like a good idea to me. Why are you joking about that? It might work.

    If I were a soldier, I’d much rather fight a nation of homosexuals than a nation of jihadists. You’d have to be crazy to decide otherwise.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 23, 2007 @ 9:48 am | Reply

  82. hoverfrog writes:

    “Rather than spending millions on weapons of mass destruction or slowly contaminating a land with ammunition made from depleted uranium you could just dump all that excess soya into the water and sit back and wait. Within a few weeks the enemy will be spending all their time performing unnatural acts on each other and the troops can march in and take over.”

    I am glad to see a liberal finally admit that admitting sodomites would be bad for the armed forces.

    I also think the Department of Defense should be very, very careful to monitor the food that goes to our troops in the field. Knowing these hippie Democrats, they’ll be trying to slip soy into their MREs just so that we lose the Global War on Terror.

    Comment by DPS — May 23, 2007 @ 10:04 am | Reply

  83. Sisyphus, this is my new favorite blog.

    Keep it up!

    Comment by MarkH — May 23, 2007 @ 10:08 am | Reply

  84. Oh right. Homosexuality automatically equates to poor combat ability. It must be all the limp-wristed mincing they do that stops them being able to punch people. They might break a nail. That must be the reason that gays weren’t allowed in the armed forces. It isn’t rampant homophobia and prejudice, it’s because they can’t fight as well as a heterosexual.

    It’s obvious when you think about it.

    Just for reference this is another example of irony. I’m also being heavily sarcastic. Is that allowed in your part of America?

    Comment by hoverfrog — May 23, 2007 @ 10:13 am | Reply

  85. Oh, it’s all true, Sisyphus. I could possibly be shot by the ACLU for betraying the conspiracy to you, but I can’t help myself. I’m — this is hard to say in public — I’m kind of attracted to you. I’m not supposed to tell you about the soy/groundwater operations, the gay conspiracy, or especially such detailed and private facts about the habits of we liberals — like how we eat tofu wafers in taking communion from our Lord and Savior Ba’al The Abortionist, for instance — but you seem like such an intelligent and rational person that I can’t help but like you.

    Let’s say we lube up with some soy-based lotion and get to pumping? I’m SORRY. That’s too forward. Forgive me.

    In fact, forget I said any of this. I fear for my life. Hillary will send her assassins for me, for sure. PLEASE don’t tell anyone about this exchange, or link to it in any way. It would ruin my credibility among liberals and seriously endanger my and many gay lovers’ lives. Even without the physical danger, I just realised that my liberal bretren may, upon hearing of my secret-telling, take away my precious Swiss Army abortion kit, without which I do not *want* to live.

    Please, please don’t tell anyone how you got this information.

    Comment by HTML Mencken — May 23, 2007 @ 10:14 am | Reply

  86. Don’t tell them about the Swiss Army Abortion Kit (SAAK). They could use our secret weapon against us.

    Comment by hoverfrog — May 23, 2007 @ 10:20 am | Reply

  87. I would have thought one would only need to consider the routes of aircraft and the relative journey times to see that a flat earth doesn’t make an awful lot of sense. Or, even, just take a trip in a jet and see the curvature of the earth for yourself…

    Or are all the aircraft companies and pilots in on it too? And the people who sail around the world?

    Comment by Mickey — May 23, 2007 @ 10:41 am | Reply

  88. You believe in a ghost that supposedly lived 2000 years ago but you think we havent gone into space? Do you wear a bib when you eat?

    Comment by Educated man — May 23, 2007 @ 10:50 am | Reply

  89. You’ve got them on the run, Sisyphus. They can’t stand their ground before your flaming sword of truth, and they’re resorting to lies and crude jokes. I personally don’t believe that HTML Mencken is a sodomite, and I think hoverfrog may not even be a sodomite, despite his evident desire to see Camp Pendleton turn into some kind of Turkish bath / organic cafe.

    If this is the opposition, I think on Jan. 20 2009 we’ll all be taking our oaths of loyalty to President Brownback. And of course to Jesus.

    Comment by DPS — May 23, 2007 @ 10:54 am | Reply

  90. I must say, you all have lost the argument. I have not seen a rebuttal to “The Skeptic’s” post, which he quite clearly lays out before you. Instead you go off on a tangent about soy and fluoride turning people gay. You are the embodiment of all things that are wrong with the religious right. I do believe there is a higher being, but I also believe it gave us brains to think about the world around us and the knowledge and curiosity to go out and learn about it. Anyone who thinks we aren’t blessed with this is kidding themselves. I hope that one day you all who believe in some grand conspiracy of never going to space or the Earth is flat or soy turns you gay, will finally see the light of day by pulling your heads out of the sand.

    Comment by Fritz — May 23, 2007 @ 10:57 am | Reply

  91. LOL at Carey for posting a World Nut Daily article as “scientific proof,” and LOL at Sisyphus for believing her. OH NOEZ! NOT TEH GHEY!

    We can’t navigate through the ether yet

    OK, please get back in your time machine and return to the 18th century.

    There’s no need for you to take it so personally.

    I’m not taking it personally; I’m not a scientist. I think it’s hilarious that you demand civility from your opponents but refuse to be civil yourself. And if you honestly don’t see how it’s insulting to call NASA scientists “hedonists” and imply that scientific research isn’t “real work,” then I can’t help you.

    P.S. Sisyphus, here’s a challenge. You’ve looked at NASA critically (although since you’re not a scientist, I doubt many people are going to take your “exposé” seriously). Now please take a step back and look at the Bible critically. Look for loopholes. Look for inconsistencies. (See a long list of inconsistencies here.) I’m not suggesting that you should apostatize, but I think you should be aware that the Bible isn’t perfect before you tout it as the best education available.

    Comment by The Skepticist — May 23, 2007 @ 12:12 pm | Reply

  92. I also think the Department of Defense should be very, very careful to monitor the food that goes to our troops in the field. Knowing these hippie Democrats, they’ll be trying to slip soy into their MREs just so that we lose the Global War on Terror.”

    This is why we need to repeal “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.”

    “Oh right. Homosexuality automatically equates to poor combat ability. It must be all the limp-wristed mincing they do that stops them being able to punch people. They might break a nail. That must be the reason that gays weren’t allowed in the armed forces. It isn’t rampant homophobia and prejudice, it’s because they can’t fight as well as a heterosexual.

    It’s obvious when you think about it.”

    It is, isn’t it?

    Oh, it’s all true, Sisyphus. I could possibly be shot by the ACLU for betraying the conspiracy to you, but I can’t help myself. I’m — this is hard to say in public — I’m kind of attracted to you.”

    That’s very disturbing, Mr. Mencken. Please try to get a grip on yourself.

    Or are all the aircraft companies and pilots in on it too? And the people who sail around the world?”

    If the world is disc-shaped then one wouldn’t fly off the disc if one flew “around” the world anyway. The edge of the disc would be Antarctica; the center, the North Pole. Name someone reliable who’s flown over Antarctica.

    “You believe in a ghost that supposedly lived 2000 years ago but you think we havent gone into space? Do you wear a bib when you eat?”

    Thank you for sharing your atheistic blasphemy with the rest of us. I will pray for you.

    “You’ve got them on the run, Sisyphus.”

    It’s amazing how little opposition it takes to make them crack, isn’t it? Most of them have been resorting to ad hominems or sarcasm from Comment #1. Oh, well. With enemies like these, Brownback is sure to lead this country right up into January of 2017.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 23, 2007 @ 1:33 pm | Reply

  93. “I must say, you all have lost the argument.”

    Are you the referee? I thought not.

    “I hope that one day you all who believe in some grand conspiracy of never going to space or the Earth is flat or soy turns you gay, will finally see the light of day by pulling your heads out of the sand.”

    You have my pity.

    “OK, please get back in your time machine and return to the 18th century.”

    Time travel is impossible. If it weren’t, someone would’ve flown back in time and saved Jesus. God doesn’t allow us to time travel for a reason.

    “I’m not taking it personally; I’m not a scientist. I think it’s hilarious that you demand civility from your opponents but refuse to be civil yourself. And if you honestly don’t see how it’s insulting to call NASA scientists “hedonists” and imply that scientific research isn’t “real work,” then I can’t help you.”

    To my way of thinking, calling them “Helioleftists” is far more insulting. At least a hedonist is theoretically capable of objectivity- however unlikely that may be, given their overwhelming tendency to vote Democrat.

    “P.S. Sisyphus, here’s a challenge. You’ve looked at NASA critically (although since you’re not a scientist, I doubt many people are going to take your “exposé” seriously).”

    Not many atheists, that’s for sure.

    “Now please take a step back and look at the Bible critically. Look for loopholes. Look for inconsistencies. (See a long list of inconsistencies here.) I’m not suggesting that you should apostatize,”

    Yes you are.

    “I think you should be aware that the Bible isn’t perfect before you tout it as the best education available.”

    This is called blasphemy, Skeptic.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 23, 2007 @ 1:38 pm | Reply

  94. Sorry to disappoint, but Brownback is wasting his time and his backers money running. He won’t even get past the primaries, McCain or Giuliani will be running. According to this poll by one of the most conservative polling agencies, Brownback doesn’t even show up as a blip on the political radar.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-192.html

    As for flying over Antarctica here is a story for you.

    http://www.usatoday.com/weather/resources/coldscience/2004-04-09-polar-flying_x.htm

    I would like to point out that while it may not be “across” the continent, they did fly to the South Pole, which according to flat Earth thinkers, shouldn’t exist, since it is the physical edge of the world. Flying across the continent, even with today’s great advances, is still a tricky proposition. As much as we seem to bend the rules of nature (which we aren’t), we are still bound by those rules, there are references as to why it is difficult.

    Also, getting sources from the “World Nut Daily” is about as credible as getting sources from “The Onion.” Fox News flubbed up on that with the whole ham story a few weeks ago. Please, check into your sources before you post.

    Another thing is that you need to be careful about is trying to use science against science. Einstein’s Theory of Relativity has nothing to do with traveling across the globe. It deals with time-space mechanics, to put it simply, the faster you go the slower time gets. Traveling into the past is impossible because there is an absolute wall to how fast we can travel, the speed of light. The faster you go the more your mass increases, the more mass there is, the more energy it takes to go faster, going into a violent circle increasing at an exponential rate (its actually much more complex than this, but its as simple as I can think of to make it). Traveling into the past is simply not possible, there is new evidence however that says we may be able to travel to alternate realities which just may be our past, but this is beyond the scope of the point.

    If you are going to use science, please understand the concept and ideas of what you are quoting, otherwise you just look like fools.

    Comment by Fritz — May 23, 2007 @ 2:11 pm | Reply

  95. More Colorado blogs are wailing on Brownback because of you.

    Comment by Another CO blog joins the festivites — May 23, 2007 @ 2:12 pm | Reply

  96. That’s Skepticist to you, Sisyphus. Did you even look at the Web site I linked? No, I didn’t think so. And critical thinking isn’t the equivalent of apostatizing or blasphemy.

    Since I’m not doing anything else right now, I’m going to keep commenting.

    After all, many of the people who’ve been there aren’t getting paid to talk about it. That’s the difference between China and outer space- the financial incentive to lie about China’s existence is non-existent.

    The travel agencies, Sisyphus. Everyone who says they’ve been to China is in the pay of the travel agencies, and the travel agencies will put out a hit on anyone who says that China doesn’t actually exist, because the travel agencies want to swindle unsuspecting people out of their hard-earned cash.

    I’d rather have childbed fever than a fluoridated, lead-ridden, benzene-addled interior- which is a cautious guess at what the average dose of tapwater contains

    Instead of making “cautious guesses,” please link. Inform yourself and me: what does tap water actually contain? (And no World Net Daily articles. Link to a scientific journal or dot-edu Web site.)

    And I don’t think you’d “rather” have childbed fever. It isn’t pretty. The fact is, hand-washing procedures prevent infection. I’m sure that if hospitals thought that there was anything wrong with the tap water, they would filter it or have doctors use anti-bacterial gel in lieu of water. But the point is, medical science used to say that hand-washing between patients was unnecessary, when empirical evidence points the other way. The same thing goes for ether: scientists postulated that that’s what’s out there, but they were wrong. That’s how science works. You make a hypothesis and you test it; your research might indicate you’re right or it might indicate you’re wrong, but someone in the future could come along and turn your research on its head.

    Oh, and since you’re so fond of Biblical literalism: please tell me where it says in the Bible that ether surrounds Earth. And I mean chapter, verse and line–no vague references.

    Scientists are funded by the government. If the government tells them to lie about outer space for national security, they’ll do it.

    Not all scientists are funded by the government. Many are funded by universities and other private institutions. I highly doubt that the argument (or “fact,” if you’re so inclined) that “the vacuum of space” is actually “ether” is a matter of national security, and you’ve provided no evidence that it is. If it is a matter of national security, that leads to all kinds of other problems, like the question of why it’s necessary to keep ether a secret in the first place and why the government would want to deceive the American public about something so elementary. I can’t think of any convincing reasons for why this might be.

    Time travel is impossible. If it weren’t, someone would’ve flown back in time and saved Jesus.

    I was being facetious. However the evidence you give to refute the existence of time travel is completely unconvincing.

    calling them “Helioleftists” is far more insulting

    Oo, what a brilliant zinger.

    On second thought, it might be insulting, if only because it’s a misnomer. Science has progressed beyond heliocentrism, Sisyphus; the scientific community no longer considers the Earth or the Sun to be the center of the universe.

    At least a hedonist is theoretically capable of objectivity

    That’s rich, coming from one of the least objective bloggers I’ve ever read.

    Yes you are.

    No, I’m not, truly. I’m an agnostic leaning toward atheism, but I have friends who are Christian who don’t take everything in the Bible literally. Free will is Biblical, right? Well, critical thinking is part of free will. I don’t think a loving God would want people to blindly accept the Bible, and that’s what you seem to be doing.

    This is called blasphemy

    No, it’s called critical thinking.

    (P.S. I hope I’m not posting this comment twice–it didn’t seem to work the first time.)

    Comment by The Skepticist — May 23, 2007 @ 2:18 pm | Reply

  97. “Sorry to disappoint, but Brownback is wasting his time and his backers money running. He won’t even get past the primaries, McCain or Giuliani will be running. According to this poll by one of the most conservative polling agencies, Brownback doesn’t even show up as a blip on the political radar.”

    The only polls that matter are during the primary. They haven’t happened yet.

    “I would like to point out that while it may not be “across” the continent, they did fly to the South Pole, which according to flat Earth thinkers, shouldn’t exist, since it is the physical edge of the world.”

    Why should I trust them? They have every incentive to lie about the place.

    “Also, getting sources from the “World Nut Daily” is about as credible as getting sources from “The Onion.” Fox News flubbed up on that with the whole ham story a few weeks ago. Please, check into your sources before you post.”

    So says you, but you’ve already squandered all your credibility with that absurd Antarctica link.

    “Another thing is that you need to be careful about is trying to use science against science. Einstein’s Theory of Relativity has nothing to do with traveling across the globe.”

    Insofar as neither one is credible, I beg to differ.

    “It deals with time-space mechanics, to put it simply, the faster you go the slower time gets.”

    Sounds pretty ludicrous to me.

    “Traveling into the past is impossible because there is an absolute wall to how fast we can travel, the speed of light.”

    More importantly, because God wouldn’t allow it.

    “The faster you go the more your mass increases, the more mass there is, the more energy it takes to go faster, going into a violent circle increasing at an exponential rate (its actually much more complex than this, but its as simple as I can think of to make it). Traveling into the past is simply not possible, there is new evidence however that says we may be able to travel to alternate realities which just may be our past, but this is beyond the scope of the point.”

    That implies we each have more than one soul, one for each reality. I refuse to countenance such an idea.

    “More Colorado blogs are wailing on Brownback because of you.”

    Bring it on.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 23, 2007 @ 2:41 pm | Reply

  98. “The travel agencies, Sisyphus. Everyone who says they’ve been to China is in the pay of the travel agencies, and the travel agencies will put out a hit on anyone who says that China doesn’t actually exist, because the travel agencies want to swindle unsuspecting people out of their hard-earned cash.”

    Nonsense. Even our Army’s been to China. I trust those guys with my life.

    “Instead of making “cautious guesses,” please link. Inform yourself and me: what does tap water actually contain? (And no World Net Daily articles. Link to a scientific journal or dot-edu Web site.)”

    Lead, benzene, and fluoride aren’t bad enough for you? Well, according to World Net Daily, it also contains soy. I’ll rely on them more than on your Darwinist Helioleftist rags any day.

    “And I don’t think you’d “rather” have childbed fever. It isn’t pretty. The fact is, hand-washing procedures prevent infection. I’m sure that if hospitals thought that there was anything wrong with the tap water, they would filter it or have doctors use anti-bacterial gel in lieu of water. But the point is, medical science used to say that hand-washing between patients was unnecessary, when empirical evidence points the other way.”

    Empirical evidence shows that our children are becoming homosexual in ever-increasing numbers. At least WND has the courage to address this issue; your beloved doctors just keep slopping in tap water and turning a blind eye to the problem.

    “Oh, and since you’re so fond of Biblical literalism: please tell me where it says in the Bible that ether surrounds Earth. And I mean chapter, verse and line–no vague references.”

    I’m not sure if there’s ether or not. All I said is that it’s a lot more plausible than this mumbo-jumbo that NASA has spoon-fed us for our entire lives.

    “(P.S. I hope I’m not posting this comment twice–it didn’t seem to work the first time.)”

    It’s okay. The spam filter caught them both, so I let one through and deleted its twin.

    The filter on this site is pretty strict. I had to save one or two of my own comments from the spam filter yesterday. I don’t mind, though. I despise spam, and anyone who sends it. The death penalty isn’t too harsh for them, as far as I’m concerned.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 23, 2007 @ 2:48 pm | Reply

  99. “Sorry to disappoint, but Brownback is wasting his time and his backers money running. He won’t even get past the primaries, McCain or Giuliani will be running. According to this poll by one of the most conservative polling agencies, Brownback doesn’t even show up as a blip on the political radar.”

    The only polls that matter are during the primary. They haven’t happened yet.

    “I would like to point out that while it may not be “across” the continent, they did fly to the South Pole, which according to flat Earth thinkers, shouldn’t exist, since it is the physical edge of the world.”

    Why should I trust them? They have every incentive to lie about the place.

    “Also, getting sources from the “World Nut Daily” is about as credible as getting sources from “The Onion.” Fox News flubbed up on that with the whole ham story a few weeks ago. Please, check into your sources before you post.”

    So says you, but you’ve already squandered all your credibility with that absurd Antarctica link.

    “Another thing is that you need to be careful about is trying to use science against science. Einstein’s Theory of Relativity has nothing to do with traveling across the globe.”

    Insofar as neither one is credible, I beg to differ.

    “It deals with time-space mechanics, to put it simply, the faster you go the slower time gets.”

    Sounds pretty ludicrous to me.

    “Traveling into the past is impossible because there is an absolute wall to how fast we can travel, the speed of light.”

    More importantly, because God wouldn’t allow it.

    “The faster you go the more your mass increases, the more mass there is, the more energy it takes to go faster, going into a violent circle increasing at an exponential rate (its actually much more complex than this, but its as simple as I can think of to make it). Traveling into the past is simply not possible, there is new evidence however that says we may be able to travel to alternate realities which just may be our past, but this is beyond the scope of the point.”

    That implies we each have more than one soul, one for each reality. I refuse to countenance such an idea.

    “More Colorado blogs are wailing on Brownback because of you.”

    Bring it on.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 23, 2007 @ 2:41 pm

    “The travel agencies, Sisyphus. Everyone who says they’ve been to China is in the pay of the travel agencies, and the travel agencies will put out a hit on anyone who says that China doesn’t actually exist, because the travel agencies want to swindle unsuspecting people out of their hard-earned cash.”

    Nonsense. Even our Army’s been to China. I trust those guys with my life.

    “Instead of making “cautious guesses,” please link. Inform yourself and me: what does tap water actually contain? (And no World Net Daily articles. Link to a scientific journal or dot-edu Web site.)”

    Lead, benzene, and fluoride aren’t bad enough for you? Well, according to World Net Daily, it also contains soy. I’ll rely on them more than on your Darwinist Helioleftist rags any day.

    “And I don’t think you’d “rather” have childbed fever. It isn’t pretty. The fact is, hand-washing procedures prevent infection. I’m sure that if hospitals thought that there was anything wrong with the tap water, they would filter it or have doctors use anti-bacterial gel in lieu of water. But the point is, medical science used to say that hand-washing between patients was unnecessary, when empirical evidence points the other way.”

    Empirical evidence shows that our children are becoming homosexual in ever-increasing numbers. At least WND has the courage to address this issue; your beloved doctors just keep slopping in tap water and turning a blind eye to the problem.

    “Oh, and since you’re so fond of Biblical literalism: please tell me where it says in the Bible that ether surrounds Earth. And I mean chapter, verse and line–no vague references.”

    I’m not sure if there’s ether or not. All I said is that it’s a lot more plausible than this mumbo-jumbo that NASA has spoon-fed us for our entire lives.

    “(P.S. I hope I’m not posting this comment twice–it didn’t seem to work the first time.)”

    It’s okay. The spam filter caught them both, so I let one through and deleted its twin.

    The filter on this site is pretty strict. I had to save one or two of my own comments from the spam filter yesterday. I don’t mind, though. I despise spam, and anyone who sends it. The death penalty isn’t too harsh for them, as far as I’m concerned.

    Comment by Fritz — May 23, 2007 @ 3:18 pm | Reply

  100. “The only polls that matter are during the primary. They haven’t happened yet.”

    This is very true and I will not argue with you there. According to trend data however, he has as likely a chance of becoming President as I do growing a third eye.

    “Why should I trust them? They have every incentive to lie about the place.”

    There is no incentive for independent scientists and researchers to lie (unless they work for the tobacco industry or for pResident Bush who buys off doctors and scientists), they only care about what can be verified through direct observations.

    “So says you, but you’ve already squandered all your credibility with that absurd Antarctica link.”

    I fail to see how an in depth look by a reputable news source is considered not credible.

    “Insofar as neither one is credible, I beg to differ.”

    I wish I were as blissfully ignorant of the world as you and a few of your responders are. The world is actually a very scary and frightening place, the more you learn of it, the more you realize that humanity is heading towards self made extinction. (Note: This is not “the rapture” God will have nothing to do with this, we are doing it to ourselves.)

    “Sounds pretty ludicrous to me.”

    Eh, it’s been proven, but since no amount of linking or independent reading would convince you otherwise I won’t even bother.

    “More importantly, because God wouldn’t allow it.”

    If you are going to brush off my attempt to help inform you of what is going on, then why should your purported source be any more credible. God is infallible, but the people who wrote the Word is not. They could have just as easily lied in the writing to make it suit there own needs. Think about that for a little bit, but I am sure you won’t

    “That implies we each have more than one soul, one for each reality. I refuse to countenance such an idea.”

    Here, you would be correct. You would indeed have an infinite amount of souls, one for when you ate that burger and the other for the chicken sandwich another 2 for deciding to go the movie after eating or going home. So that all ready makes 4 different realities, not to mention that maybe you were late to a movie because of traffic or getting there on time. The branches are innumerable.

    “Bring it on.”

    Really not sure of what you are referring here, I am just trying to correct bad science.

    “Nonsense. Even our Army’s been to China. I trust those guys with my life.”

    So…, if they are your credible source, then try looking up military excursions through the Antarctic, they’ve done it and there is plenty of documentation on it.

    “Lead, benzene, and fluoride aren’t bad enough for you? Well, according to World Net Daily, it also contains soy. I’ll rely on them more than on your Darwinist Helioleftist rags any day.”

    Once again, World Nut Daily is NOT a credible source, according to independent researches, tap water is the safest thing to drink, even over any bottled water that you may prefer.

    “Empirical evidence shows that our children are becoming homosexual in ever-increasing numbers. At least WND has the courage to address this issue; your beloved doctors just keep slopping in tap water and turning a blind eye to the problem.”

    What empirical evidence are you referring too? WND once again, is not a credible source. I hope one day that when you require surgery from a doctor that you request no sterilization of his surgical instruments or mandatory cleaning procedures of him/herself or the equipment. As for more becoming homosexual, this is a good thing. It shows that our society is opening up to new beliefs and ideas, I view this as progress. For once people can be open about their sexual orientation without fear of being put to death.

    “I’m not sure if there’s ether or not. All I said is that it’s a lot more plausible than this mumbo-jumbo that NASA has spoon-fed us for our entire lives.”

    Nature does indeed abhor a vacuum. Actually, space isn’t really a vacuum, it is filled with all kinds of gasses and particles, its just at a much lower density level than what you find here on Earth. Dark matter also fills the stuff between other heavenly bodies, which was just directly observed, look around on the major newsites.

    “It’s okay. The spam filter caught them both, so I let one through and deleted its twin.

    The filter on this site is pretty strict. I had to save one or two of my own comments from the spam filter yesterday. I don’t mind, though. I despise spam, and anyone who sends it. The death penalty isn’t too harsh for them, as far as I’m concerned.”

    Now this is something I can completely agree with!

    I want to apologize, I goofed on my response, feel free to delete the previous one.

    Comment by Fritz — May 23, 2007 @ 3:21 pm | Reply

  101. I’ve said it before on this site and I’ll probably say it again: There is no such thing as an ether. The Michelson-Morley experiment performed in 1887 completely disproved it. You have mentioned this experiment yourself so I am certain that you have at least heard of it before. Please stop trying to introduce the idea of an ether when you know it does not exist.

    Or better yet, carry on. It just makes you look stupid.

    Now, please explain why gay people cannot fight as well as straight people.

    Comment by hoverfrog — May 23, 2007 @ 3:22 pm | Reply

  102. […] in point: A blog called The Colorado Conservative Project points us to “Blogs 4 Brownback,” supporters of Republican Presidential contender Sam Brownback, a Senator from Kansas. […]

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  103. I can’t beleive what I have read on this website. You people are fucking scary! Are you kidding me? Get an education; understand what Jesus was really about and stop hating everything. Rapture? Fuck off! America is the only country God cares about? Fuck off! The earth is stationary? Fuck off! My god, you stupid, ignorant, intollerable bunch of inbread fucks! Fucking morons!

    Comment by Reason — May 23, 2007 @ 10:49 pm | Reply

  104. this site is the funniest thing i’ve seen on the pipes of the internet since people started putting captions on pictures of their cats.

    i can’t wait for the rapture to happen, so that earth is ridden from people who think that the rapture will actually happen.

    Comment by honkey magoo — May 23, 2007 @ 11:43 pm | Reply

  105. “Why have such a distrust of what other people have told you, when you haven’t even tested their word?”

    Because their word is not the word of JESUS. You don’t have to do experiments to know the truth. You just have to read the bible cause the word of God has a 0% margin of error.

    Show me a science book written by JESUS and I’ll read it. Anything else is just bigoted anti-Christian and anti-American hogwash. Basically you can trust the words of God or you can trust the words of a bunch of Dumb-o-Crap scientists. I know which side I’m betting MY soul on.

    Michaelson-Morley? More like Michael-Sins Morley.

    Comment by Eduardo — May 24, 2007 @ 1:53 am | Reply

  106. “0% margin of error” Riiiiight. The Bible has zero contradictions and zero errors and never has? What of the famous “Sinner’s bible” that left the word “not” out of “thou shalt not commit adultery”

    Comment by hoverfrog — May 24, 2007 @ 4:09 am | Reply

  107. “If you are going to brush off my attempt to help inform you of what is going on, then why should your purported source be any more credible. God is infallible, but the people who wrote the Word is not. They could have just as easily lied in the writing to make it suit there own needs. Think about that for a little bit, but I am sure you won’t”

    The people who wrote the Word were edited by the Will of God. That’s why heretics found their tracts amidst the Apocrypha and “Lost Gospels.” If God didn’t want it in the Holy Bible, it didn’t go in.

    “Here, you would be correct. You would indeed have an infinite amount of souls, one for when you ate that burger and the other for the chicken sandwich another 2 for deciding to go the movie after eating or going home. So that all ready makes 4 different realities, not to mention that maybe you were late to a movie because of traffic or getting there on time. The branches are innumerable.”

    Theoretically. It’s blasphemous even to contemplate.

    “So…, if they are your credible source, then try looking up military excursions through the Antarctic, they’ve done it and there is plenty of documentation on it.”

    Small unit excursions are different. Small units can easily be spoken to by the CIA. Any dissenters can be dealt with lethally and quietly. The scientific community has no problem with getting small numbers of soldiers to lie. But a major deployment is another story.

    “Once again, World Nut Daily is NOT a credible source, according to independent researches, tap water is the safest thing to drink, even over any bottled water that you may prefer.”

    We’re going to have to agree to disagree here. I’ll pray for you, and your children. Hopefully there isn’t much soy farming going on in your area.

    “What empirical evidence are you referring too?”

    The rise in homosexuality rates in this country, for starters.

    “WND once again, is not a credible source. I hope one day that when you require surgery from a doctor that you request no sterilization of his surgical instruments or mandatory cleaning procedures of him/herself or the equipment.”

    Rest assured, I will.

    “As for more becoming homosexual, this is a good thing. It shows that our society is opening up to new beliefs and ideas, I view this as progress. For once people can be open about their sexual orientation without fear of being put to death.”

    I disagree, with the utmost vehemence.

    “Nature does indeed abhor a vacuum. Actually, space isn’t really a vacuum, it is filled with all kinds of gasses and particles, its just at a much lower density level than what you find here on Earth.”

    In other words, ether.

    “Dark matter also fills the stuff between other heavenly bodies, which was just directly observed, look around on the major newsites.”

    That could be ether, too. I always assumed ether was sort of a catch-all term.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 24, 2007 @ 4:38 am | Reply

  108. “Now, please explain why gay people cannot fight as well as straight people.”

    The same reason women can’t fight as well as men: a certain spiritual weakness inconducive to mortal forms of combat.

    “My god, you stupid, ignorant, intollerable bunch of inbread fucks! Fucking morons!”

    I love you!

    “i can’t wait for the rapture to happen, so that earth is ridden from people who think that the rapture will actually happen.”

    We agree!

    “Because their word is not the word of JESUS. You don’t have to do experiments to know the truth. You just have to read the bible cause the word of God has a 0% margin of error.”

    This is exactly right. Way to go, Eduardo!

    “0% margin of error” Riiiiight. The Bible has zero contradictions and zero errors and never has? What of the famous “Sinner’s bible” that left the word “not” out of “thou shalt not commit adultery”

    That mistake was uncovered almost immediately. Clearly, the Hand of God fended off the treacherous wiles of Satan.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 24, 2007 @ 5:27 am | Reply

  109. Women lack the same upper body strength as men. This is because they do not generate testosterone and so the muscles do not develop in the same way. They also don’t grow hair on their faces or chests. Saying that they have a spiritual weakness is a blatant and utterly sexist lie. Homosexuals are identical to heterosexuals except in their sexual orientation. They aren’t a separate species or a third gender and suggesting such a thing is precisely what the Nazis did.

    “That mistake was uncovered almost immediately. Clearly, the Hand of God fended off the treacherous wiles of Satan.”

    Did you not say previously that a mistake in the bible was impossible. You contradict yourself.

    What about all the other contradictions in the bible? There are many.

    For example the foundations of the Earth as you seem so set in your belief that the planet isn’t a planet but a flat plain. The bible has this to say:

    “JOB 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

    JOB 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.”

    So foundations or not? Or is it possible that you could consider that the bible might just be wrong.

    Comment by hoverfrog — May 24, 2007 @ 8:00 am | Reply

  110. hoverfrog:

    Please stop embarrassing yourself. Sure, God laid the foundations of the Earth. Sure, sometimes God also hangs the earth upon nothing. Your argument is like saying that once you’ve parked your car you couldn’t ever take it for a drive after that, because it’s already parked. It’s a fixed earth, but God can take it out for a spin if he wants, and apparently he did that sometimes, at least while Job was alive. After all, it’s God’s Earth, he has the keys, and he never runs out of gas.

    If you want to engage in a serious discussion, please try to keep up.

    Comment by DPS — May 24, 2007 @ 8:57 am | Reply

  111. It’s more like saying once you build a tower block you can’t go removing the bottom five floors and expect it to hover in place.

    Thanks though, every time I think that this can’t get any funnier someone comes along with an outstanding comment like this and I find myself sniggering again.

    Comment by hoverfrog — May 24, 2007 @ 9:04 am | Reply

  112. “Saying that they have a spiritual weakness is a blatant and utterly sexist lie. Homosexuals are identical to heterosexuals except in their sexual orientation. They aren’t a separate species or a third gender and suggesting such a thing is precisely what the Nazis did.”

    You just lost via Godwin’s Law, mister.

    “Did you not say previously that a mistake in the bible was impossible. You contradict yourself.”

    Nonsense. When a false Bible arose, it was immediately stamped out. Problem solved.

    “For example the foundations of the Earth as you seem so set in your belief that the planet isn’t a planet but a flat plain.”

    Very possibly, that is correct. Which was the point of this entire post.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 24, 2007 @ 9:06 am | Reply

  113. “Thanks though, every time I think that this can’t get any funnier someone comes along with an outstanding comment like this and I find myself sniggering again.”

    Just make sure you vote for Brownback, and you’ll be okay with me, hoverfrog.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 24, 2007 @ 9:06 am | Reply

  114. […] over at Blogs4Brownback, Sisyphus has an idea: I can’t say I’m sold on this yet, and I can already envision the reaction the Helioleftists […]

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  115. hoverfrog:

    Yes, your analogy is better. Perhaps that is what Job means God used to do. In a sense, then, we could look at the Earth as having (or as having once had) an optional hovering function. A sort of giant hover-car, if you will. I will assume you won’t deny that God could make hovercars as big as he pleases and pilot them whenever he wants? So you see, we were both right, and there’s no need for you to feel bad about it after all. If we just work together, we can get closer to the truth, just as we have done here. I apologize for being dismissive earlier. You’re here to learn, and I shouldn’t make you feel bad about that.

    Comment by DPS — May 24, 2007 @ 9:47 am | Reply

  116. “You just lost via Godwin’s Law, mister.”
    Oh well, I’ll just have to live with that.

    “You just lost via Godwin’s Law, mister.”
    Sadly I am forbidden to vote for a variety of reasons that I won’t go into. Let’s just say that the American regime refuses to allow my voice to be heard.

    “God could make hovercars as big as he pleases and pilot them whenever he wants”
    I think this would be great as a cartoon.

    Comment by hoverfrog — May 24, 2007 @ 10:26 am | Reply

  117. hoverfrog writes:

    “I think this would be great as a cartoon.”

    Yes!!! Now that’s what I’m talking about. When we put our heads together, we can come up with some really great ideas. Think about the Godly uses we could put that Saturday morning wasteland to! Think about what our kids could learn without even knowing they’re learning! Keep thinking along these lines (for example, off the top of my head: an evil scientist character?) and we can brainstorm later. But this is a good, good start. Keep it up.

    Comment by DPS — May 24, 2007 @ 10:39 am | Reply

  118. “You just lost via Godwin’s Law, mister.”

    From wikipedia, which is actually linked to a site that studies this “Law” so to speak:

    Godwin’s Law does not apply to discussions directly addressing genocide, propaganda, or other mainstays of the Nazi regime. Instead, it applies to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one’s opponent) with Hitler or Nazis. However, Godwin’s Law can itself also be abused, as a distraction or diversion, that fallaciously miscasts an opponent’s argument as hyperbole, especially if the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate.

    I am sure that Jerry Falwell was probably the mouthpiece of God to you, as such he said that all homosexuals should be killed. This is indeed a form of Genocide, which the Nazi’s did indeed carry out. As such, it was appropriate to bring this up, thus Godwin’s Law does not apply.

    “Nonsense. When a false Bible arose, it was immediately stamped out. Problem solved.”

    Who is to say that during its numerous re-writings that the original translation hasn’t been garbled with thousands of years of every evolving dialects and languages.

    “That could be ether, too. I always assumed ether was sort of a catch-all term.”

    The aether that you are referring too, has nothing in common with the gasses and dark matter spread throughout the Universe. Light can still travel through an absolute vaccum, as such the aether as it was previously referred too does not exist. The basic principal of it was to help explain how light travels through space, this has since been superseded by numerous other scientific observations and laws that can be regularly re-examined. I know this does nothing for you since you claim that Scientists lie, but it is something worth looking over for more information on this subject.

    As for the original post, Bigelow Aerospace is a private company that does not use any of the taxpayers money. It is being funded by Robert Bigelow who has a dream of opening up space to everyone. It is my hope that one day we’ll be able to populate space permanently, a form of manifest destiny if you will. Even you, Sisyphus, have to admit that we are destined for bigger and better. We may disagree on a lot of issues, but this is something that everyone can share in. It may not be space, but there is always something better, be it heaven, hell, or populating the stars (in my case).

    Comment by Fritz — May 24, 2007 @ 10:47 am | Reply

  119. This is indeed a form of Genocide, which the Nazi’s did indeed carry out.”

    Homosexuality is a lifestyle choice, not an immutable characteristic. Next, you’ll be telling me that executing litterbugs constitutes genocide. It may not be very nice, but genocide is a very harsh term. The genocides the Nazis practiced were against the Jews (first and foremost), the Gypsies, and to varying extents the various Slavic peoples. There were other groups they weren’t fond of (Communists, trade unionists, homosexuals, the mentally retarded), but I don’t think their actions against them constituted “genocide.” Then again, I’m not sure how the Geneva Conventions define the term; nor, in the final analysis, do I care.

    “Even you, Sisyphus, have to admit that we are destined for bigger and better.”

    Indeed we are. The Kingdom of Heaven, a quest in no way helped by all this money we throw at NASA.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 24, 2007 @ 10:56 am | Reply

  120. “Indeed we are. The Kingdom of Heaven, a quest in no way helped by all this money we throw at NASA.”

    Funny how you leave out my whole quote, par for the course I guess.

    Comment by Fritz — May 24, 2007 @ 11:36 am | Reply

  121. “Funny how you leave out my whole quote, par for the course I guess.”

    If people want to read it, they can go back and read it themselves. I don’t see why I have to repeat someone’s entire post when it’s right there.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 24, 2007 @ 11:40 am | Reply

  122. “Homosexuality is a lifestyle choice, not an immutable characteristic. Next, you’ll be telling me that executing litterbugs constitutes genocide. It may not be very nice, but genocide is a very harsh term. The genocides the Nazis practiced were against the Jews (first and foremost), the Gypsies, and to varying extents the various Slavic peoples. There were other groups they weren’t fond of (Communists, trade unionists, homosexuals, the mentally retarded), but I don’t think their actions against them constituted “genocide.” Then again, I’m not sure how the Geneva Conventions define the term; nor, in the final analysis, do I care.”

    So the advocation of killing everyone who made that lifestyle or cultrual choice is okay then, as long as it is not called genocide. I think you need to look up the term, but to save you the trouble I will do it for you.

    gen·o·cide /ˈdʒɛnəˌsaɪd/ [jen-uh-sahyd]
    –noun the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

    ——————————————————————————–

    [Origin: 1940–45;

    Comment by Fritz — May 24, 2007 @ 11:43 am | Reply

  123. “So the advocation of killing everyone who made that lifestyle or cultrual choice is okay then, as long as it is not called genocide. I think you need to look up the term, but to save you the trouble I will do it for you.”

    How do you define a cultural group? Technically, abortion is a culture; killing doctors who perform abortions constitutes genocide, then?

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 24, 2007 @ 11:47 am | Reply

  124. “How do you define a cultural group? Technically, abortion is a culture; killing doctors who perform abortions constitutes genocide, then?”

    Anytime you single out a group and call for their mass extermination, is, by definition genocide. It doesn’t get any more simple then that.

    “Indeed we are. The Kingdom of Heaven, a quest in no way helped by all this money we throw at NASA.”

    I would like to point out that not once did I say that religion was pointless, I was merely trying to open up debate. Much like you did with your original post, but once again, bigotry and hatemongering is spewed throughout all of your posts.

    Comment by Fritz — May 24, 2007 @ 12:11 pm | Reply

  125. Anytime you single out a group and call for their mass extermination, is, by definition genocide. It doesn’t get any more simple then that.”

    Oh, I see. Including terrorists, serial killers, child rapists, and war criminals. How honest of you!

    “I would like to point out that not once did I say that religion was pointless, I was merely trying to open up debate. Much like you did with your original post, but once again, bigotry and hatemongering is spewed throughout all of your posts.”

    I merely pointed out that Salvation is more important than a trip to Mars. Wouldn’t you agree, if you’re not an atheist?

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 24, 2007 @ 12:16 pm | Reply

  126. I’ve never been to Peoria, have you?

    Comment by Rob — May 24, 2007 @ 12:45 pm | Reply

  127. This has got to be one of the most awesome posts and threads I have ever come across in my entire life.

    Comment by duus — May 24, 2007 @ 1:16 pm | Reply

  128. […] UPDATE: He’s bashing NASA now. […]

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  129. Gravity is just another leftwing, anti-Christian, pointy-headed Jewish liberal hoax.

    Comment by ZeroGravity — May 24, 2007 @ 3:48 pm | Reply

  130. sisyphus

    this is truly brilliant work. some of the funniest stuff i’ve ever read. the commitment to character is total and carried off with aplomb. i’m not sure if the response of those who take you seriously qua serious are funnier than the brainwashed christian types, but either way, well played sir, well played.

    quick question–is sam brownback a real person? is he really a candidate for any kind of office, not just higher, but say middle management at a paper company?

    Comment by Robert Green — May 24, 2007 @ 3:57 pm | Reply

  131. hmmmmmmmmmmmm… Robert GREEN. Isn’t that a Joooooish name?

    Comment by ZeroGravity — May 24, 2007 @ 4:10 pm | Reply

  132. For that matter, Sam Brownback….that sounds very Joooooish and he looks very Jooooooish, too.

    Comment by ZeroGravity — May 24, 2007 @ 4:18 pm | Reply

  133. “I’ve never been to Peoria, have you?”

    Yes.

    “This has got to be one of the most awesome posts and threads I have ever come across in my entire life.”

    Thank you. Be sure to vote Brownback!

    “Gravity is just another leftwing, anti-Christian, pointy-headed Jewish liberal hoax.”

    Gravity is real. What causes gravity may be open to question, but gravity itself is quite real.

    “quick question–is sam brownback a real person? is he really a candidate for any kind of office, not just higher, but say middle management at a paper company?”

    Why, yes. He’s running for President of the United States, in fact. Please be sure to vote for him!

    “For that matter, Sam Brownback….that sounds very Joooooish and he looks very Jooooooish, too.”

    You sound very anti-semitic. Please keep in mind that Jesus was Jewish. So was the Virgin Mary. The Jews were the people to whom God entrusted His ways, before He made them available to the rest of us.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 24, 2007 @ 4:22 pm | Reply

  134. I really like the cartoon idea for a god zipping about in his hover car ignoring the plight of helpless mortals. If only I could draw.

    Comment by hoverfrog — May 24, 2007 @ 4:26 pm | Reply

  135. Jesus was NOT Jooooish. Mary immigrated to Jerusalem from Hamburg. Jesus was pure Anglo-Saxon. Just LOOK AT ALL HIS PICTURES if you dare doubt the TRUTH.

    Comment by ZeroGravity — May 24, 2007 @ 4:36 pm | Reply

  136. Blogs “like this make me seriously question” your sanity.

    Comment by onein6billion — May 24, 2007 @ 4:57 pm | Reply

  137. A poem fo’ you.

    Sisyphus, I love your work….
    gives me hours of fun….
    but I hope that you are aware….
    I also carry a gun.

    P.S. How exactly did God make Jews available to the rest of us?

    Comment by Twisted_Colour — May 24, 2007 @ 7:58 pm | Reply

  138. Brillient!!!! I will definitely vote for Brownback! I wasn’t going to, but now I will!

    Comment by david — May 24, 2007 @ 8:36 pm | Reply

  139. Lol, this was classic. I actually thought it was serious for a moment (as it seemed did a lot of posters).

    Great parody!
    (it is a parody, right?)

    I was inches from explaining that you could /see/ satellites (http://www.heavens-above.com/)
    And also outlining the Michelson–Morley experiment.
    But when it came to the sand-beachball metaphor I twigged.

    I’m a bit concerned though that people might actually start believing such parodies…:/ Although they’re funny, they might backfire?

    Comment by Lionfish — May 25, 2007 @ 3:56 am | Reply

  140. I was having debate for the sake of debate.

    It doesn’t take much to realize that this is a joke. Look at the posters name, Sisyphus. All it takes is rudimentary knowledge in Greek literature to come to one of two conclusions:

    1) This guy is brilliant at playing a part, for that I found this whole thing funny.

    2) This guy was serious, in which case they were completely ignorant of what their chosen screen name identity really was and should be smacked back to the stone ages for being so dumb.

    But the bit about genocide got a bit off track. What I find funny though is that some people actually took it all seriously.

    Now, back to the debate:

    “Oh, I see. Including terrorists, serial killers, child rapists, and war criminals. How honest of you!”

    That one hurts…, but here’s the deal, the wiping out of so called terrorists is being selectively done to a religious group. Not to terrorists as a whole, we are essentially on our own jihad, which is sad to stoop to their level. I fail to see how serial killers (who have recieved a fair trial in court, assuming that they did) shouldn’t get what they deserve, although I think capitol punishment is a bit far. Same goes with rapists and war criminals, there is a difference between mass killings for the sake of wiping out a group of people and giving people a fair trial. At least in my mind anyway…

    “I merely pointed out that Salvation is more important than a trip to Mars. Wouldn’t you agree, if you’re not an atheist?”

    If I were to claim that the bible were completely accurate, maybe. I prefer to think that hard facts would win out any day though. Life is too short to worry about the afterlife, if you will.

    (By the way, I do love debating, keeps me sane. Not to mention that there are real nutjobs out there who actually believe in a flat Earth.)

    Comment by Fritz — May 25, 2007 @ 10:30 am | Reply

  141. Are there heliorightists, also? Or just the left-handed variety?

    Comment by Doodle Bean — May 25, 2007 @ 10:46 am | Reply

  142. I’m just happy that Brownback picked up david’s vote out of all this. Even one more vote made this whole thread worthwhile.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 25, 2007 @ 10:47 am | Reply

  143. Are there heliorightists, also? Or just the left-handed variety?”

    The technical term is “Heliocentrist.” But Marcia P. came up with the derogatory offshoot “Helioleftist”, and I think that encapsulates the true political leaning of these loons very well.

    I hope that helps you.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 25, 2007 @ 10:51 am | Reply

  144. These atheists are simply awful people! Sisyphus, why don’t you ban them! At least call the police. It MUST be illegal to harass decent Christian folks like this!

    Comment by Marcia P. — May 25, 2007 @ 12:22 pm | Reply

  145. Any rational person with an ounce of brain must conclude that if God can bury dinosaur bones to make it seem that the 8 thousand year old Earth is even older then he make Diskworld seem like a sphere. As the Bible says, “It’s turtles, all the way down”.

    Comment by LowLife — May 25, 2007 @ 12:27 pm | Reply

  146. Somone may have already posted this. I was too tired of reading most of the idiotic comments to find out. So, there are a few simple ways to tell the Earth is round without leaving it.

    1. Ships disappear over the horizon gradually suggesting a sphere. They don’t suddenly fall off of the Earth.

    2. During the lunar eclipse the Earth ALWAYS projects a perfectly rounded shadow. The only shape that ALWAYS projects a perfectly round shadow is a sphere.

    This is not fancy-pants science. It’s very simple stuff that was discovered a long time ago. Instead of simply questioning everything and producing doubt, come up with some hard evidence of your claims. People might then take you seriously.

    Being this type of “skeptic” is a growing epidemic. People are refusing to accept the overwhelming amount of evidence presented to prove a fact. Could the work of thousands and thousands of scientists that has been proven over and over again over many years really be wrong? Come on people. Use your brains.

    Comment by Smudded — May 25, 2007 @ 3:20 pm | Reply

  147. Ah wonderful. A troll site. As a connoisseur of the specie I do appreciate a good scam. Nice …. very nice.

    Comment by PenGun — May 25, 2007 @ 3:20 pm | Reply

  148. Sisyphus you have opened my eyes but the more I contemplate the concept of discworld, the more concerned I get.

    If the earth is a disc with America at its center (Cleveland to be exact according to all the maps I have seen since gradeschool), Asia and India would be on the left side of the disc and Europe and Russia would be on the right.

    This is my concern. Most people live in Asia and India and birthrates in Europe and Russia are declining. If this continues at the present rate, wouldn’t our discworld become unbalanced?

    Any competant waiter will tell you that if you put too much weight on one side of a tray, catastrophy may ensue. Should Americans eat more in order to provide greater stability to the world? What if discworld imbalance causes Euroislamocommies to go flying into the American hinterland? I certainly don’t want to wake one morning and find a frenchman in my backyard. A frenchwoman maybe O.K. because some of them are very Hot, but certainly not a frenchman. I would appreciate any thought you have that may alleviate my concerns.

    p.s. GoBrownback!

    Comment by ec1009 — May 25, 2007 @ 3:38 pm | Reply

  149. ec1009:

    That is a troubling issue. That hadn’t occurred to me. I look forward to seeing Sisyphus’ thoughts, but my preliminary suggestion would be that we should shift some heavy things—people, buildings, trees, etc.—from S and SE Asia to Europe. Alternatively, we could look into the feasibility of searching for the edge of the Earth and perhaps simply tossing Asian people and/or Asian objects over the side. It might be difficult to find the edge of the Earth, since scientists claim that they haven’t found it yet, but they might just be pretending not to know where it is. We might think about using enhanced interrogation techniques on some of these ‘scientists’ to get the location out of them, but that might not be necessary since I would assume that if you just keep walking/swimming in the same direction, you’ll run into it eventually. Since America is in the center, though, I don’t think we need to change anything here. This is chiefly a European and Asian problem, as always.

    Honestly, I do have to say that this sounds like a problem we can back-burner until after we have done something about the sodomites, helioleftists, and spherofascists here in America. But I think you’re right that it’s important to look ahead sometimes.

    Comment by DPS — May 25, 2007 @ 4:52 pm | Reply

  150. “1. Ships disappear over the horizon gradually suggesting a sphere. They don’t suddenly fall off of the Earth.”

    Same thing would happen if it were a disc.

    2. During the lunar eclipse the Earth ALWAYS projects a perfectly rounded shadow. The only shape that ALWAYS projects a perfectly round shadow is a sphere.”

    This is ridiculous. Who could measure such a thing?

    “This is my concern. Most people live in Asia and India and birthrates in Europe and Russia are declining. If this continues at the present rate, wouldn’t our discworld become unbalanced?”

    Maybe, but I think it’s probaly thick enough to sustain our weight.

    Theoretically, and blasphemously, you could argue that if (big if) the planet IS sustaining some form of localized global warming, it could be because parts of the disc are wobbling under the weight. I’d refute that, though, both on Biblical grounds and because global warming is a hoax. Jettisoning objects won’t be necessary. The planet is immobile, except for localized areas where earthquakes occur.

    I think Antarctica is the edge of the world, DPS. Not sure what we could toss off there, unless we melt some glaciers and they drip off. Anyway, though, why should we? The Lord will not abandon us unless we persist in stiff-necked devotion to scientific idols.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 25, 2007 @ 6:11 pm | Reply

  151. Wow! I used to Fark occasionally and I never saw anyone carry something this far. I don’t troll, but if I ever want to in the future, I’ll have a few neat techniques up my sleeve. Here’s a hefty shout to the Bigelow crew; may the FARCE be with you … {And also with you} (different farce than the one contained on this web site). There is a life outside the razor wire, ask and ye shall receive.
    And yes, Roger used to read my email too, and yes, he is/was so bad it stopped being funny (see earlier in the post, search on Roger if you’re curious).

    So, science is good and blind religion is bad, or something like that. yeah. Hooray Carl Sagan. Down with all faith (why is “down” bad?). I want to believe.

    OK, I really don’t have anything meaningful to say- I’d like to make something up, but I can’t; I’m just laughing too hard. I’m glad a read this most of the way to the bottom. This was a great end to the week. Thanks, all, for participating; it was a great show. You may now return to your regularly-scheduled lives.

    Comment by Brandon D. — May 25, 2007 @ 7:53 pm | Reply

  152. Actually, I do have something nearly meaningful to say. I can’t tell if Sisyphus is serious or not, but I’ll leave those who are still undecided with this: The Jerry Springer show is no less fun to watch whether you know that its real or know that its fake.

    And I can quote from the book of Isaac, can you?
    It was, and then Isaac said P=m*v and his followers saw that it was good.

    Comment by Brandon D. — May 25, 2007 @ 8:04 pm | Reply

  153. is this blog serious?

    Comment by gawker — May 25, 2007 @ 8:45 pm | Reply

  154. We know that ether does not exist. We have proven it MANY times over with something known as the “Michelson-Morley Experiment”. Look it up and you will understand.

    Conducted on Earth, where obviously the ether has been displaced by actual air. If there was no ether, then how would light waves travel from the sun to us, huh?

    Comment by Phoenician in a time of Romans — May 26, 2007 @ 2:26 am | Reply

  155. DPS, your response was just silly. No need to make light of my very serious concerns.
    Thank you Sisyphus for your reasoned insight on my questions.
    One correction to my previous post. I stated that Cleveland was the center. Upon further review, I was wrong on that point. The center of discworld is Midland, Texas (hence the name and coincidently the former home of our glorious leader)

    Keep up the work for Brownback and Jesus.

    Comment by ec1009 — May 26, 2007 @ 10:18 am | Reply

  156. ec1009:

    I’m no expert. I freely admit that I was only responding off the top of my head, and I’m glad Sisyphus was able to clear up the facts about Antarctica. That certainly changes things. But please don’t judge me too harshly for trying to help.

    It also occurs to me that Jesus may return before the Earth becomes too unbalanced, in which case we don’t need to worry about tipping. In fact, if it looks as though it might become too unbalanced, that is possibly a sign that Jesus will be returning soon. But again, I could be wrong. I come here to learn, mainly, and to show my support for Senator Brownback.

    Comment by DPS — May 26, 2007 @ 10:56 am | Reply

  157. Apology accepted DPS.

    Embrace Jesus in a non-sodomitical manner and don’t forget to vote Brownback.

    Comment by ec1009 — May 26, 2007 @ 12:01 pm | Reply

  158. Please don’t stop posting, everybody! I know it is Sunday and it is sacreligious to use technology on Sundays for some folk, but this is too good to let it die. This is almost as good as watching South Park. Sisyphus- take it to those helioleftists! Those of us with no life are depending on you!

    Comment by Brandon D. — May 27, 2007 @ 12:06 pm | Reply

  159. Someday, Helioleftists will have to answer for their sins, just as murderers and rapists must answer for their crimes.

    I know they refuse to see things that way, but there is a Higher Power, Who has ordained it.

    Have a happy Memorial Day tomorrow, everyone.

    Comment by Marcia P. — May 27, 2007 @ 2:44 pm | Reply

  160. Now that’s what I’m talking about. Thank you, Marcia. Oh, as a matter of curiosity (and I’d like to open this up to the group), is Math a sin? Can it be a sin? Is it more likely to be a sin if you do it properly or improperly? Happy Memorial Day, and don’t forget to remember what it is that we’re supposed to be memorializing.

    Comment by Brandon D. — May 27, 2007 @ 3:02 pm | Reply

  161. Brandon D. @ 160:

    Interesting. I am pretty sure that basic arithmetic is not a sin. I have my doubts about calculus, since when things get that complicated there is always room for devilry. Also, I am not at all comfortable with the idea of ‘imaginary numbers.’ That has a distinctly Satanic feel to it, and if I saw someone using them I would probably leave the room.

    This is just a guess, though. I defer to anyone with better knowledge of the Biblical position on mathematics.

    Comment by DPS — May 27, 2007 @ 5:09 pm | Reply

  162. Certain mathematical formulas are satanic such as 300 x 3 – 234 I know that much. What about E=MC2? Real Americans are smart enough to know that you can’t multiply letters. If we allow that to happen, next people will be spelling their names with numbers and the terrorists will win.

    Comment by ec1009 — May 27, 2007 @ 5:35 pm | Reply

  163. I can’t decide if Sisyphus is a brilliant baiter, or a complete idiot. However, if there are any true flat-earthers following this thread, I’m wondering if they’ve ever used GPS devices. Do they believe that they work? If so, how do they work? If not, then Garmin’s got one hell of good scam going.

    Comment by ALyingScientist — May 27, 2007 @ 7:36 pm | Reply

  164. I love you guys (in a nonsodomatical way, or whatever that big word is), thanks. My friends and I are indebted for the wisdom. Please keep sharing.

    Comment by Brandon D — May 27, 2007 @ 9:43 pm | Reply

  165. Can anybody help me on this one? Do heavy objects fall faster than light ones? My Bible is only a couple of steps away, but I’m not sure where to look for the answer. I do have a balcony which I could use to test this out, but that would then require descending stairs to retrieve the test apparatus (the junk I dropped).
    Please advise. Catholic doctrine is acceptable.

    Oh- and just for the record, I know some people that build spacecraft. During the design process, they admitted to assuming that the Earth were standing still. If they know the Truth and just won’t admit it, then they are worse than uninformed. They are subversive. But what would make them do this? Sisyphus, any ideas?

    Comment by Brandon D. — May 28, 2007 @ 6:59 am | Reply

  166. “However, if there are any true flat-earthers following this thread, I’m wondering if they’ve ever used GPS devices. Do they believe that they work? If so, how do they work? If not, then Garmin’s got one hell of good scam going.”

    Well, either they work by a method differing from the one by which we’re led to believe they work, or they don’t work at all. I’ve never used one, but judging by the number of hikers and accident victims who’ve died in the wilderness despite their GPS tools, I’m inclining toward the latter explanation.

    “Do heavy objects fall faster than light ones?”

    Yes, of course.

    “Oh- and just for the record, I know some people that build spacecraft. During the design process, they admitted to assuming that the Earth were standing still. If they know the Truth and just won’t admit it, then they are worse than uninformed. They are subversive. But what would make them do this? Sisyphus, any ideas?”

    There are powerful lobbies in this country that pay people to be blasphemous. What can you say? All of us sin. Some of us recognize the sin within us, and beg for forgiveness. Others continue to sin, and laugh at those who repent, fancying themselves gods. In the end, we shall all know the Truth, and that will be a hard day for many among us.

    I pity them.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 28, 2007 @ 7:49 am | Reply

  167. “Well, either they work by a method differing from the one by which we’re led to believe they work, or they don’t work at all. I’ve never used one, but judging by the number of hikers and accident victims who’ve died in the wilderness despite their GPS tools, I’m inclining toward the latter explanation.”

    You know, I think you’re onto something here. Mine told me I was in Israel one time, and I’m pretty sure I hadn’t left North America. Maybe I should try to get my money back. No wait, maybe I was magically transported to the promised land. Does the bible say anything about GPS devices?

    Comment by ALyingScientist — May 28, 2007 @ 11:23 am | Reply

  168. Does anyone have a link to a searchable online Bible (I will admit I don’t know my Bible as well as I should)? I think that would greatly speed our quest for Truth. At least we could more efficiently figure out where The Word hasn’t left us very clear guidance and we’ll have to reason for ourselves.

    Comment by Brandon D. — May 28, 2007 @ 11:48 am | Reply

  169. Brandon D.,

    Until you have the Bible memorized, you can use this: http://www.biblegateway.com

    Also, if you are going to be away from your computer for a while, you may want to have one of these:

    http://www.speaktomecatalog.com/individual.php?item=TBIBLE

    Comment by DPS — May 28, 2007 @ 7:25 pm | Reply

  170. Wow. This one seems to have died. I don’t think that even using ASCII characters to make one of those cute drawings could bring this back. Unless it were a decent ASCII rendering of the little boy that takes leaks on things, taking a leak on the Bible or something like that. Come back everybody, I’m lonely. Don’t leave me here by myself, I’m afraid of the dark matter. And I live close to the equator and my shoes are wearing out, so I might slip off into the abyss down “below” the earth.

    Ok, everyone who was joking about soy making you gay and the Earth being a handfull of thousand years old, come out and say so. As for those of you who actually believe that, well, you keep doing what you’re doing. Just remember that the machine that counts the votes runs on quantum mechanics, your eyes run on quantum electrodynamics, and NASA runs on taxpayer dollars. You pay for it regardless (if you’re in the U.S and sufficiently talented to have a job).

    Comment by Brandon D. — May 29, 2007 @ 6:31 pm | Reply

  171. Oh, and I almost forgot; Roger is still an idiot.

    Comment by Brandon D. — May 29, 2007 @ 6:43 pm | Reply

  172. “Does the bible say anything about GPS devices?”

    No. But it does mention something about building a house on sand, and I think the same principle is at work here.

    “Ok, everyone who was joking about soy making you gay and the Earth being a handfull of thousand years old, come out and say so. As for those of you who actually believe that, well, you keep doing what you’re doing. Just remember that the machine that counts the votes runs on quantum mechanics, your eyes run on quantum electrodynamics, and NASA runs on taxpayer dollars. You pay for it regardless (if you’re in the U.S and sufficiently talented to have a job).”

    Are you alright? You seem to be talking to yourself here. None of us were joking about soy. It’s very dangerous stuff.

    I’m just hoping that Brownback finally does away with NASA. Americans need to learn the truth- that the world is flat, and scientists have been lying to them all these years. There’s going to be quite a reckoning, I can promise you that.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 29, 2007 @ 6:46 pm | Reply

  173. “Does anyone have a link to a searchable online Bible (I will admit I don’t know my Bible as well as I should)? I think that would greatly speed our quest for Truth. At least we could more efficiently figure out where The Word hasn’t left us very clear guidance and we’ll have to reason for ourselves.”

    http://www.bible.com

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 29, 2007 @ 6:47 pm | Reply

  174. Sisyphus, I can only hope you are just trying to play one big joke on all the gullible people out there.

    If not, you are a total idiot.

    In either case, don’t you have something better to do than this?

    Comment by Jon — May 30, 2007 @ 7:01 pm | Reply

  175. Why do you hate God’s message, Jon?

    Comment by Sisyphus — June 4, 2007 @ 9:26 am | Reply

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  177. Wow… you’re actually arguing about whether we’ve been in space at all and worse, whether heliocentrism is true or not? Seriously? bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Please get an education before writing any more about these topics.

    Comment by Patrick — June 6, 2007 @ 8:07 am | Reply

  178. Patrick @ 176:

    “you’re actually arguing about whether we’ve been in space at all and worse, whether heliocentrism is true or not? Seriously?”

    No, we’re not arguing about these things. We have reached a consensus that we have not been in “space” and that heliocentrism is a lie. Occasionally trolls like you stop by to register their feeble disagreement. That’s not “arguing.”

    Comment by DPS — June 6, 2007 @ 10:39 am | Reply

  179. Stick to your guns DPS! Don’t you take any nonsense from any of these educated types. How’s your cave tonight? What’s for dinner, fresh grubs and snails?

    Comment by DPSBasher — June 8, 2007 @ 6:12 pm | Reply

  180. Hmm… I’m not sure. Is this satire? If so, you, sir/madam, are hilarious. If not, you are a complete moron.

    Comment by Bentleigh Stanforth III — June 9, 2007 @ 4:08 am | Reply

  181. “What’s for dinner, fresh grubs and snails?”

    Obviously not: have a look at Lev. 11:41.

    Comment by DPS — June 9, 2007 @ 8:40 am | Reply

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  183. “Hmm… I’m not sure. Is this satire?”

    No.

    “If not, you are a complete moron.”

    Judgment Day, we’ll see Who’ll be the judge of that. I think you’ll feel quite foolish indeed.

    Comment by Sisyphus — July 3, 2007 @ 9:16 am | Reply

  184. I have a question: Have you ever heard of Pastor Arnold Murray? I think the lot of you could learn so much from listening to his teachings.

    You know what? Maybe the government IS lying to us. Maybe we never went to space. But you can’t argue with logic. Sir Isaac Newton was not an alchemist, he was a man of science, as were the other men your followers have degraded with their small minded words.

    Anyways out of curiosity, i have a few questions as well.

    How can the world be 6,000 years old when Chinese history and many others, go way back before that? And even so, you’re a Christian buff, right? how many days did it take God to create the earth, HMM? And isn’t 1 day 1000 years?

    And some others:

    Do you think Jews are evil?

    What about miniskirts?

    And are you aware that your screen name sounds like an STD?

    And since hell is in the middle of the world or whatever, is lava hell-juice or something? The bible says, “to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.” whatcha think of them apples? I thought you take everything the Bible says literally?

    ‘hell’ is a figure of speech. It’s a place in Heaven for all the evil people to wait until judgement day. At least, that’s my take on it. But since we’re ALL waiting for judgement day, how can there be people burning in hell just yet? rapists, murderers and saints alike are still waiting. God is fair and just, and that’s the only fair and just way.

    and just for kicks: I’m vegetarian (even though the bible says you can eat meat) I believe the world is round because gravity makes sense. I DON’T believe in evolution, but I do believe in natural selection (evolution is just as silly as your idea), I’m against abortion and I agree with the death penalty.

    So. Am i still a ‘good’ Christian?

    And news flash- when any book is translated, the original feeling and meaning is lost. the same goes for the bible. you can’t take everything in the bible literally. it’s so obvious, at least in some cases, that it wasn’t meant to be taken literally. A lot of the bible’s lessons are taught through metaphors and figures of speech. i suggest that the next time you read the bible, use the strong’s concordance to help you. it’ll make more sense that way.

    OR you know what? maybe we’re all being misled. if a round world is a govermental conspiracy, then maybe the bible is too. maybe John and Luke and all the guys thought it would be great to write an adventure story, and now they’re all having a good laugh at how serious it’s still being taken.

    either way, best of luck in figuring things out.

    God Bless you, and God Bless America.

    Comment by axia — July 5, 2007 @ 7:13 pm | Reply

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