Blogs 4 Brownback

April 17, 2007

Brownback: Flat-tax; Romney: Flathead

Filed under: Mitt Romney,RINOs,Rudy Giuliani,Sam Brownback,Taxes — Psycheout @ 6:17 pm

We have known for some time that Sam Brownback has proposed an alternative flat tax. Just in time for tax day is another report on Sam’s proposal [MSNBC]:

(AP) Republican presidential candidate Sam Brownback, looking ahead to Tuesday’s tax return deadline, on Monday suggested a flat tax as an option for taxpayers.

“I’m not taking on the current tax code from the standpoint of removing it,” the Kansas senator said. “I’m saying create an alternative and let people pick.”

I think this is an important distinction about Brownback’s plan. Let the people choose. If it’s successful (as it will be) it will become popular. And nobody’s forced into the program. It’s their choice. It’s a great way to bring this idea into reality.

Brownback, who spoke with reporters after meeting with customers at bookstore in Des Moines, Iowa, said his flat tax plan would not, at least initially, reduce federal revenue.

“Not as part of a system’s change I am proposing,” he said. “We would design a system that would yield comparable revenues.”

This is very important. Critics have spun chicken little stories about how the sky will fall if we implement a sensible flat tax. These stories have been used to defeat the idea before. This time, not only is it optional, but it will not affect tax revenues. Win-win.

Brownback said several details of his plan haven’t been set but would be in the coming months. One possibility is to require taxpayers to pick an option and stick with it for some time, likely five years, he said.

Businessman Steve Forbes sought the Republican presidential nomination twice, with the centerpiece of his campaign a flat tax that would have cut deeply into revenues. He failed to get the nomination both times.

Perhaps out of spite, Forbes has endorsed RINO Rudy who recently adopted the flat tax as his own idea. Back when Forbes was running, Giuliani ridiculed the flat tax. So he flipped and he flopped and is now for it. Maybe Forbes doesn’t want to see Brownback succeed with a better variant of the flat tax where he himself previously failed.

Brownback said he was pushing a more modest package as an option to the current system, which he called “unintelligible.”

“You can call 50 different auditors with the same question and get 50 different answers,” he said.

And Mitt Romney? He’s against the flat tax, for now anyway. He may flip-flop yet.

Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney said he would like to overhaul some elements of the federal tax system if he reaches the White House, but he ruled out support for the flat tax.

Romney called the concept “unfair.” So is a RINO running for the GOP nomination, Mitt.

Update: CBS News link broke.  Added MSNBC link.

— Psycheout


  1. The flat tax is a subterfuge for advancing regressive taxation on behalf of rich taxpayers.

    Once the flat-taxers start being honest about their motives, then we can talk about whether I would support it.

    Comment by JackALopez — April 18, 2007 @ 11:27 am | Reply

  2. Thanks for the left-wing talking points. It’s no surprise that you link to MSNBC, Mr. Jackalope!

    Comment by Psycheout — April 18, 2007 @ 12:44 pm | Reply

  3. “Thanks for the left-wing talking points. ”

    Actually, I basically cited the dictionary. If you will look up the meaning of “progressive” versus “regressive” taxation, and compare the current taxation scheme to that of the “flat tax” you will see that I am correct.

    Do you have any actual argument? Or is this what we can expect from Brownback supporters?

    Comment by JackALopez — April 18, 2007 @ 1:46 pm | Reply

  4. Wow, Jackolantern knows how to use a dictionary. How impressive! {{giggle}}

    Comment by Becky — April 18, 2007 @ 3:58 pm | Reply

  5. Rich taxpayers earn their money. They’re the ones creating and maintaining this economic leviathan we currently enjoy.

    Get your facts straight, Jack. The wealthy are wealthy because they’ve earned that wealth. If liberals spent half as much time working as they spend whining, they’d be wealthy too.

    Comment by Sisyphus — April 18, 2007 @ 3:59 pm | Reply

  6. “Wow, Jackolantern knows how to use a dictionary. How impressive! “

    Apparently here, it is impressive.

    Comment by JackALopez — April 18, 2007 @ 4:12 pm | Reply

  7. “Rich taxpayers earn their money.”

    That’s a catchy slogan, but it has nothing whatever to do with the relative merits of progressive vs. regressive taxation.

    Comment by JackALopez — April 18, 2007 @ 4:14 pm | Reply

  8. The flat tax is much fairer than the stupid tax bracket system we use now. And it will be optional under Brownback, Jack, so don’t cry about it so much. Put down your dictionary and your crayons and do the research.

    Comment by Red State Guy — April 18, 2007 @ 4:51 pm | Reply

  9. Right, because turning a $250 million dollar tax hike into a $250 million dollar tax refund, all while managing to turn around a state swimming in red ink is deffinately the kind of thing a RINO would do. You don’t have to support the flat tax to be a fiscal conservative, or any type of Conservative. Give me a break. Just because a person is not 100% in line with Brownback does not mean he is a RINO. I can think of one issue on which Brownback is more of a RINO than Romney – the Iraq War.

    Comment by Matt A. — April 18, 2007 @ 4:58 pm | Reply

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  11. Get a sense of humor, Matt! I don’t think “flathead” means what you think it does! LOL.

    Mitt did pretty well in Taxachusetts. Good for him. Perhaps he should stay there. He certainly won’t get the support of real conservatives like me.

    Comment by Anti-Media — April 18, 2007 @ 7:33 pm | Reply

  12. Ah, you liked my flathead joke. Perhaps one of you Brownback supports can explain why Romney is a “flip-flopper”, from what I see of his record, he once held more liberal position in the early-mid 90’s, steadily shifted to the right, even when running for gov. of a liberal state, and has dedicated himself to his conservative positions (like gay marriage, where he fought to get an amendment on the ballot). There is a big difference between a decade-long conversion into a conservative and the kind of constant, John Kerry-style flip flopping that you seem to be accusing him of.

    Then, perhaps you would like to explain why Romney should be disqualified for becoming more Conservative. Seems a bit closed minded to me.

    After that, maybe you would care to explain how a “real conservative” like yourself can continue to support Brownback, even though he is an advocate for an Iraq policy that would gaurentee failure in that country, increase the power of Iran and Syria, and spark a regional war that would only draw America back in later.

    I look forward to hearing your responce.

    Comment by Matt A. — April 18, 2007 @ 8:29 pm | Reply

  13. I don’t get the controversery. Romeny is a flathed.

    Comment by JOE — April 18, 2007 @ 10:43 pm | Reply

  14. Several decades of lame pimping of the flat tax, and no political support for it. Even your blurb here amounts to nothing more than sloganeering and has nothing to offer except an assertion that the present tax law is really hard to read.

    So, apparently, the appeal of the flat tax is that it can be read by a third grader? Or, did I miss something?

    In BrownbackLand, will all laws be really easy to read? That will be the main criterion, right?

    It’s amusing to me that you guys like to pimp the economy in one breath, and a failed tax scheme in the next, overlooking the fact that the prosperity you think you have now rests on a tax scheme you profess to want to get rid of.

    Brilliant idea. Really. In the 2009 Congress, when you have 35 Senate seats and 200 House seats, you can really pump yourselves up for the next election cycle with more good ideas like this.

    Comment by JackALopez — April 18, 2007 @ 11:23 pm | Reply


    Comment by Jodi — April 18, 2007 @ 11:34 pm | Reply

  16. You know, this blog seems to be very dedicated to getting people to support Sam Brownbak. But more than that, the people here seem dedicated to the spreading of conservative principles. I like to think of my self in the same manner (with the exception that I like Romney).

    I have a proposal/challenge that you might be interested in:

    Why not have each of our blogs write a full post in support of each of our candidates? Have the posts touch on all the important things, and make them designed to convince and undecided voter to support the candidate. If you are willing to put up my post in support of Romney on this site, I will put your post (unedited) on my site, we take comments on both blogs and see what people think of Romney and Brownback when they are compared by their supports.

    Let me know what you think.

    Comment by Matt A. — April 19, 2007 @ 1:44 pm | Reply

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