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April 25, 2008

Faithmouse Friday

Filed under: Abortion,Faithmouse Friday,Pro-Life — Psycheout @ 1:00 pm
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Dan Lacey revisits the serious issue of abortion and its racist use to eliminate black babies.

 Planned Parenthood Black Genocide

Thought provoking as always.  Liberals just love abortion and hate black people, don’t they?  That’s why Planned Parenthood was originally founded — to murder black children and encourage their mothers to do so happily.

Planned Parenthood or Planned Genocide?  You decide.

– Psycheout

81 Comments »

  1. What do you call it when a black woman gets an abortion?

    Crimestopping

    Comment by Retep — April 25, 2008 @ 1:43 pm | Reply

  2. DEAD NIGGER STORAGE LOLOL

    Comment by Retep — April 25, 2008 @ 1:44 pm | Reply

  3. I agree that abortion is wrong, but isn’t showing off dead baby heads like that just a little morbid and irreverent?

    Comment by L — April 25, 2008 @ 3:33 pm | Reply

  4. Remind me again why it okay for Conservatives to show dead baby heads but it is not okay to show the coffins of brave soldiers coming back from Iraq.

    Comment by Luggie — April 25, 2008 @ 3:48 pm | Reply

  5. Dan Lacey’s SwastiKKKamouse is back,
    this time promoting his cannibalistic fetish.

    Comment by MoxoM — April 25, 2008 @ 4:26 pm | Reply

  6. Odd btw that this negrophobic site at once turns pro-black……
    whose butt are you possibly trying to kiss????

    Comment by MoxoM — April 25, 2008 @ 4:28 pm | Reply

  7. Wait so abortion is racist? Like this site? *sigh* Dan Lacey has hit a new low.
    LOL @ abortion anteater he apperantly sticks his head up black womens vaginas.Classy.

    Comment by CammmanFia — April 25, 2008 @ 8:48 pm | Reply

  8. from what I have seen of Lacey’s stuff, that anteater fellow is a recurring character used to represent hippie types.

    Comment by Armand Jean du Plessis de Richelieu — April 25, 2008 @ 11:57 pm | Reply

  9. B. Hussein Osama for President

    Comment by Anonymous — April 26, 2008 @ 7:09 pm | Reply

  10. B. Hussein Osama for President

    Comment by Anonymous — April 26, 2008 @ 7:13 pm | Reply

  11. B. Hussein Osama for President

    Comment by Anonymous — April 26, 2008 @ 7:13 pm | Reply

  12. @ Armand Jean du Plessis de Richelieu
    Oh. But I still don’t see the connection between hippies and abortion…and “Black Genocide”

    Comment by CammmanFia — April 26, 2008 @ 8:59 pm | Reply

  13. You know, neither do I, really. Other than liberals such as hippies are in support of abortion.

    Comment by Armand Jean du Plessis de Richelieu — April 26, 2008 @ 9:04 pm | Reply

  14. I’m a hippie, but not a liberal, and I only support abortion in those rare cases where there are no other alternatives, such as to save the life of the mother or when the baby has no chance of survival, such as in one case I was personally involved in where the baby’s father had beaten the mother in an attempt to kill the baby, an attempt, I might add, that succeeded.
    n/b4 the b4btards say I was the father, my involvement there was in getting her to the hospital and notifying the police. I found her on her living room floor unable to get up to call for help.

    Comment by Arn — April 26, 2008 @ 10:21 pm | Reply

  15. …And yet when you kill a baby of middle eastern descent, or raised in the Muslim faith, it’s totally okay to abort or otherwise mutilate them– according to B4B.

    Double standard, much?

    Comment by Dio Brando — April 27, 2008 @ 12:19 am | Reply

  16. “Double standard, much?”
    Welcome to the town of Hypocrisy. Population: B4B

    Comment by Elephant Bones — April 27, 2008 @ 2:15 am | Reply

  17. B4b are hypochristian attention whores.
    They might be happy that some people like us read that crap in the first place.

    Comment by MoxoM — April 27, 2008 @ 6:25 am | Reply

  18. Abort SwastiKKKamouse !!!!

    Comment by MoxoM — April 27, 2008 @ 3:52 pm | Reply

  19. Abort PsyKKKeout too
    (post natal with a hot knitting needle)

    Comment by MoxoM — April 27, 2008 @ 3:52 pm | Reply

  20. Obama for President 2008

    Comment by Peter — April 27, 2008 @ 6:57 pm | Reply

  21. Obama for President 2008
    Obama for President 2008

    Comment by Peter — April 27, 2008 @ 6:58 pm | Reply

  22. Obama for President 2008
    Obama for President 2008
    Obama for President 2008
    Obama for President 2008

    Comment by Peter — April 27, 2008 @ 6:58 pm | Reply

  23. Abortion is a difficult issue. From an emotional stand point, its almost impossible to have a debate. From a purely statistical point of view, abortion, from the 70s and on, seems to be as responsible for a drop in inner city crime as any other influences, be it tougher laws, greater enforcement, or even improvements in education. Yet while just looking at it from a social prospective, one cannot come away without noticing the frightening similarities to the eugenics movement. From a person perspective, I was born with spina bifida. They test for the disorder in prenatal care now and usually recommend to parents to abort. My life wasn’t easy. At the age of 6, I had a spinal fusion and was in a body case for 16 months. I was in physical therapy for years (even taking ballet for a while to strengthen my legs). I could not talk until I was twelve and required years of speech therapy. Fast forward to my 19th birthday, I was in bootcamp for the navy. I’m much older now, and it still is a concern for me if I were to pass my disorder on to my child, what I would do in my parents situation. I spent about 8 years of my childhood at John’s Hopkins Children Hospital and I knew more kids that didn’t leave there than did. I guess my rambling point is that on either side of the issue, spend sometime volunteering at a children’s hospital. It will really open your eyes and change your perspectives. You will definitely walk away with a greater respect for life.

    Comment by Diablo — April 27, 2008 @ 10:30 pm | Reply

  24. So, what should the parents-to-be of children born with tay-sachs, cystic fibrosis, and harlequin ichthyosis(harlequin baby) do? Spend all that money on health care just to watch their child slowly die painful, incurable deaths?

    Almost no one against abortion ever seems to have a good response to that. The few who snidely suggest “take care of it anyways” have likely never lost a child. The ones who say “don’t have kids, period” are totally missing the point. These are loving, caring couples who want to have a family. But some genetic wheel prevents them from doing that– when abortion could stop a life of suffering before it even starts.

    Here’s the thing– these kids are going to die early, no matter what. There is no cure. Harlequin is just barely manageable with LUCK(and a lot of lotion). There’s what, all of one guy who has lived to adulthood, and manages to counteract his own body.

    Comment by Dio Brando — April 27, 2008 @ 11:56 pm | Reply

  25. “These are loving, caring couples who want to have a family.”
    They can adopt. Seriously, as an adopted kid, I sympathize. If those so-called Christians protesting outside abortion clinics were actually trying to be like Christ, they’d be flooding the adoption centers looking for a kid to raise.

    Comment by Elephant Bones — April 28, 2008 @ 12:06 am | Reply

  26. Dio, I am not saying that we should force parents into a lifetime of suffering. Like I said, abortion is an extremely difficult issue. As a raised Roman Catholic, I am instinctively against it yet as a social conservative, I dislike the idea of the federal government having any say in a personal medical matter. In Europe, abortions are very difficult to get. I believe, though not sure, that its still illegal in Ireland and Spain. But the big difference with Europe and the US is that access to sex education and birth control is much more universal and higher quality. This in turns leads to far fewer unwanted pregnancies. Should abortion be allowed in all cases? What does it say of our society if it were to become so blase? As a society, we are not judged by how we treat our strongest, but how we treat our weakest. Obviously, this heated issue will not be resolved anytime soon…Unless we elect the Most Honorable Senator Brownback!!! With his angelic guidance, the problems of not only the US, but the world will be solve!!!

    Comment by Diablo — April 28, 2008 @ 9:50 am | Reply

  27. “With his angelic guidance, the problems of not only the US, but the world will be solve!!!

    Comment by Diablo — April 28, 2008 @ 9:50 am”

    delusions delusions delusions

    Comment by The One — April 28, 2008 @ 10:42 am | Reply

  28. Just checking to see if I can post on this thread since you wont post my comments on the others.

    Comment by Arn — April 28, 2008 @ 10:54 am | Reply

  29. “Obviously, this heated issue will not be resolved anytime soon…Unless we elect the Most Honorable Senator Brownback!!!”
    Brownback is pro-life in the cases of rape and incest. I can’t vote for someone like that.

    Comment by Elephant Bones — April 28, 2008 @ 11:56 am | Reply

  30. Senator Brownback is consistent. You’re either pro-life or pro-death. It’s not the baby’s fault if it’s conceived in such a way that brings a stigma. It’s still a child. It’s still an innocent human who deserves its right to life.

    Those who are pro-life except in the case of rape or incest are soft on life and trying to have it both ways. Think about it.

    Comment by Psycheout — April 28, 2008 @ 1:02 pm | Reply

  31. Can we use adjult abortion to eliminate rude demon-rats?

    “Micah Qualls, a waitress that worked at this airport, remembered that she had a “Hillary for President” sign in her car, and spent her break time holding her sign outside the fence where the Republican presidential nominee was landing his airplane.

    Governor Huckabee noticed that she was an employee of the airport, and raised questions with her boss about professionalism, and expressed embarrassment over the incident as the host of Mr. McCain.

    Qualls says she was fired as a result.”

    THANK GOD! One less terrorist supporter working in our airports.

    How dare she try and insult the next president of the US of A, Mikey Hucklebee. I bet she was out to get McCain as well. HMMM…now about that torture policy.. I think it says that the RNC gets to determine what undue force really means…let’s have them get the hidden story about this woman’s evil plot.

    Comment by Marty McPain — April 28, 2008 @ 2:01 pm | Reply

  32. I think abortion is bad because it reduces the supply of donor organs. We need organs to increase our life spans. I am sure God would approve because He loves us.

    This is why God hates abortion.

    Comment by Marty McPain — April 28, 2008 @ 2:05 pm | Reply

  33. Drink bleach with a straw, Mary McPlain.

    Comment by Peter — April 28, 2008 @ 2:52 pm | Reply

  34. “It’s still a child. It’s still an innocent human who deserves its right to life.”

    But what if it grows up to be a liberal?

    Comment by Arn — April 28, 2008 @ 3:18 pm | Reply

    • But what if it grows up to be a gay? *gasp*

      Comment by Suzie Q — June 21, 2009 @ 1:05 am | Reply

  35. They can adopt. Seriously, as an adopted kid, I sympathize.

    While I agree, some lethal defects cannot be discovered until there is a fetus(like harlequin baby). And unless tested anonymously, tay-sachs and cystic fibrosis will absolutely prevent ANY health insurance from allowing you to use their services, even if you are already a member.

    Should abortion be allowed in all cases?

    No, it should not be. But that doesn’t mean make it totally illegal, either. If we’re going to do that on the basis that America is suddenly guided not by democracy but instead by the Bible, then people need to rethink EVERYTHING– because no one follows the Bible to the last letter. Those who do tend to lead cults– FLDS, anyone?

    It’s not the baby’s fault if it’s conceived in such a way that brings a stigma. It’s still a child. It’s still an innocent human who deserves its right to life.

    You must be conceding defeat to what I said earlier, because I gave you three small examples of HORRIBLE PAINFUL BIRTH ISSUES THAT CANNOT BE CURED AND END UP LEAVING THE CHILD IN HORRIBLE AMOUNTS OF PAIN UNTIL THEY DIE AFTER A FEW SHORT YEARS.

    Key things: Going. To. Die. Early. Incurable.

    Those who are pro-life except in the case of rape or incest are soft on life and trying to have it both ways. Think about it.

    Those who believe incest rape babies should be carried to term probably like to rape their own close relatives. Think about it.

    Also, if you’re going to be pro-life, then be anti-war. What’s the point of banning abortions to save a life, if your intent is to send that life overseas to be killed?

    let’s have them get the hidden story about this woman’s evil plot.

    Evil plot…to protest? Then anything you protest is just as evil, yes?

    I think abortion is bad because it reduces the supply of donor organs. We need organs to increase our life spans.

    Organ donations, except in the case of a kidney, require death. You saying you want to make an organ farm?

    I am sure God would approve because He loves us.

    This is why God hates abortion.

    You’re a major sinner and a rapist. Not so sure God approves of what you do.

    Comment by Dio Brando — April 28, 2008 @ 7:40 pm | Reply

  36. “I think abortion is bad because it reduces the supply of donor organs. We need organs to increase our life spans.”

    So you want to raise people so you can kill them for their organs later so you can live longer than God had originally planned for you, what a wonderfully Christian way of doing things.

    Comment by Arn — April 28, 2008 @ 8:35 pm | Reply

  37. Dio Brando: serious question for you. Should we outlaw all murder or just those some of us disapprove of?

    Maybe murder where the victim is a bad guy. That’s okay right (like a baby who was conceived by rape)? Or a kid with three eyes (incest)? Or maybe an innocent child with floppy shoes (harlequin)?

    Where do you draw the line? Which murders are justified?

    The ball’s in your court.

    Comment by Psycheout — April 29, 2008 @ 12:17 am | Reply

  38. I’ll take this one, “Murder” is wrong no matter what the situation or who the victim. (of course I could make an exception for extreme right wingers like psychenut if he were real and not just a fictional character made up by a liberal comic) Abortion, on the other hand, is a touchy area where you have to consider all alternatives to the situation. To abort simply because you don’t want the kid is murder in my book, however abortion to save the life of the mother in a situation where otherwise both mother and child would die anyway is justifiable. There may also be a couple other extreme cases where abortion would be the right thing to do, such as a case where the child has something so severely wrong that it’s life would be nothing more than a nightmare of extreme pain, that’s not a life its an existence of terror.
    As for the rape cases, a child can’t choose who its father is or how it is concieved, abortion here is killing an infant because of what its father did to the mother, by doing this you are punishing the wrong person, punish the rapist, not the baby.

    Comment by Arn — April 29, 2008 @ 5:22 am | Reply

  39. CammmanFia, statistics don’t lie. Hispanic and African-American women are more likely to get an abortion than white women, and Planned Parenthood tends to advertise more in communities with a higher percentage of racial minorities. The abortion industry is racist, but that still doesn’t make this cartoon at all tasteful.

    Arn, I commend you. I definitely agree with you on the whole life-at-stake issue. I’m also glad you didn’t extend the exceptions to covering up rape and incest, as so many pro-lifers tend to do. Open adoption is a much more caring choice when one is confronted with a child one cannot care for.

    Dio, apparently you’ve never known a disabled child. I’ve found individuals with Down Syndrome to be happy, productive members of society. But guess what happens to over 90% of children with Down Syndrome? Abortion. The disability vs. “quality of life” argument has already gone down the slippery slope, and people are aborting babies for having such easily fixed problems as cleft lip and palate, or in one case in the UK, “a severe squint.” You have to draw the line somewhere, and let’s face it, at least once the kid’s born, we can administer painkillers if necessary to ease any suffering. You can’t do that in utero. That’s one of the most horrible things about abortion–you’re inflicting an excruciating death on an unborn child.

    Psycheout: Three eyes? Seriously? Children conceived in incest have a much higher rate of genetic disorders, but no genetic disorder results in a baby being born alive with three eyes. Generally the three-eyed babies are miscarried in the first trimester due to other gross deformities. And wearing floppy shoes (or having club feet, as you’re apparently trying to imply) has nothing to do with genetics. Limb deformities are almost uniformly caused by environmental factors such as severe physical trauma, or the mother taking certain substances during pregnancy. This is why woman are advised not to smoke if they are pregnant or plan to become pregnant. You clearly know nothing about birth defects.

    Also, late-term abortions actually increase the supply of donor organs for small children. That’s right, in a disturbing case of illogic, the abortion industry kills babies in order to save other babies. It’s disgusting, but it’s true.

    Dio, you are the perfect example of why the “quality of life” argument just doesn’t hold. You are a stronger person than I will ever be.

    Comment by L — April 29, 2008 @ 9:35 am | Reply

  40. “Also, late-term abortions actually increase the supply of donor organs for small children”

    That is not going to help the Lord help me. We need full-grown people and we need them on motorcycles.

    STAT!

    Comment by Marty McPain — April 29, 2008 @ 10:31 am | Reply

  41. Marty, you are without a doubt the least Christian person I’ve ever had the misfortune of knowing:

    1. You have proven time and time again that you care more for yourself than for others. Remember the hymn: “Jesus, then OTHERS, then you: What a wonderful way to spell JOY!”
    2. You consistently invent draconian punishments for extremely minor offenses. Most of these involve strapping people down and beating or whipping them severely. If you had written the law books, a 5-year-old stealing a single grape from the grocery store because he didn’t know it was wrong, would get the death penalty. By stoning.
    3. Whenever you do anything nice for people, you complain about it. If you really had the goodness of the God in your heart, you would feel GOOD about helping people, regardless of whether you got anything out of it. You sound like the Pharisees who ring bells and moan loudly so that everyone pays attention to the fact that they’re giving charity–and as Jesus Himself said, you have already received your reward.
    4. You have advocated killing innocent people who have done no wrong–in Jesus’s name. That is the greatest form of blasphemy imaginable. Even now, you are implying that people should kill themselves in motorcycle accidents, just in case your drinking habit causes liver or renal failure and you need an organ transplant.

    Every single post you make indicates that you are a hateful, self-serving, lazy person, and frankly, I hope that you’re wrong about God, simply for the sake of your own soul. My God and Goddess never condemn, but your God has made it abundantly clear that people who think and behave as you do have a very nasty afterlife in store for them.

    Comment by L — April 29, 2008 @ 11:12 am | Reply

  42. My God and Goddess never condemn, but your God has made it abundantly clear that people who think and behave as you do have a very nasty afterlife in store for them.

    Comment by L — April 29, 2008 @ 11:12 am

    You are kidding right? You worship idols and you think God is going to be mean to me? Trust me wehn I tell you that God LOVES me.

    There was a time recently when he was holding out on my new Hummer that I deserved and I needed some major renovations to my pool and spa area in my house..but the Lord came through, as always..and He blessed me with extra cash as well.

    So I will ask Him to maybe send some lighting to destroy your idols and turn you back to the true faith…

    Republican Baptist!

    Comment by Marty McPain — April 29, 2008 @ 12:53 pm | Reply

  43. Dio, apparently you’ve never known a disabled child.

    Actually, I’ve known quite a few. I never said Down Syndrome was in that little tri-set of inevitable death– Down Syndrome doesn’t lead to a short lifetime of miserable pain and suffering. It leads to medical issues and mental retardation, yes, but it’s also nowhere near the level of Tay-Sachs or Harlequin Ichthyosis. Both of those are fatal, HI having all of like, three survival cases.

    I believe that inevitable fatal genetic disorders(or lifelong intense disabilities like Fragile X), no matter what, should be allowed for abortion, alongside unwanted pregnancies due to matters of rape or incest. Anything else that is NOT particularly disabling probably should be scrutinized. It’s not as though abortions are typically free(though it would be nice to see an exception for the fatal genetic disorders).

    Dio Brando: serious question for you. Should we outlaw all murder or just those some of us disapprove of?

    There is no justifiable murder of life, except to end the long pain and suffering of a being. If I was to be father to a child with something like Tay-Sachs, I would honestly suggest to my wife to abort it, to save it from a lifetime of suffering and incredibly short lifespan.

    Trust me wehn I tell you that God LOVES me.

    Apparently his love doesn’t extend to getting you an education, you blasphemous sinner.

    Comment by Dio Brando — April 29, 2008 @ 4:16 pm | Reply

  44. Or maybe an innocent child with floppy shoes (harlequin)?

    AHAHAHA, I wish that was what Harlequin Baby was.

    http://www.ispub.com/ostia/index.php?xmlFilePath=journals/ijpn/vol2n1/harlequin.xml

    Comment by Dio Brando — April 29, 2008 @ 4:22 pm | Reply

  45. Whee, WordPress error.

    http://www.ispub.com/ostia/index.php?xmlFilePath=journals/ijpn/vol2n1/harlequin.xml

    There’s the raw link.

    Comment by Dio Brando — April 29, 2008 @ 4:23 pm | Reply

  46. Also, Psyche, I offer you this question: If your spouse were brutally raped and impregnated either by a stranger or by father, would you gleefully accept the baby? What if that same baby also had some horrible genetic disorder, and was going to die by age 7?

    Comment by Dio Brando — April 29, 2008 @ 4:25 pm | Reply

  47. If you’re going to be pro-life, be whole life. There is one simple fact that means that you have to be either completely pro-life or completely pro-choice, and that is the court system. If you allow ‘exceptions’, such as socioeconomics, fetal defects, rape etc., then you are bound to get multiple bogus appeals for abortion in the already overburdened court system. It’s nearly impossible to tell if people claiming they were raped are telling the truth or not.

    I honestly don’t know why so many left wingers defend abortion so ardently. It probably gives support to their racist ‘survival of the fittest’ doctrines under the teachings of Darwin, Paul Broca, Alfred Binet, H.H. Goddard, Lewis M. Terman, R.M. Yerkes, Cyril Burt, Charles Spearman, L.L. Thurstone, Arthur Jensen, and so on. At any rate, ask yourself this question: What if I am the baby in the welfare queen? Should the woman have the right to abort me?

    There is simply no excuse for abortion. None. Every baby needs to at least be saved from Limbo.

    Comment by bobcorker — April 29, 2008 @ 5:09 pm | Reply

  48. “There was a time recently when he was holding out on my new Hummer that I deserved and I needed some major renovations to my pool and spa area in my house..but the Lord came through, as always..and He blessed me with extra cash as well.”

    You do realise that this makes you sound like a complete fool. You worship material things not God. And you have no proof that your god is any more real than L’s

    Comment by Arn — April 29, 2008 @ 6:51 pm | Reply

  49. It’s nearly impossible to tell if people claiming they were raped are telling the truth or not.

    You must have not heard of forensics. Rape is detectable, since virtually no non-drugged rape is ever going to lack signs of struggle. And drugged sex turns up in the bloodstream(drugs, DUH).

    Incest is detectable through DNA testing.

    If you’re going to be pro-life, be whole life.

    Ironic coming from the guy who likes to lynch blacks, and advocates murdering anyone who isn’t exactly like himself.

    P.S.: Darwin’s theory of evolution != Social Darwinism. Darwin would say that ethnicities adapted to their environments, which is true. The amount and intensity of sunlight alone eventually led to skin colour. You can see other evidence in Inuits(those who could not handle intense-fat diets and cold died off), and in South America(the survival rates of those with partial sickle-cells and those with perfect blood cells versus malaria).

    Comment by Dio Brando — April 29, 2008 @ 7:39 pm | Reply

  50. There is simply no excuse for abortion. None. Every baby needs to at least be saved from Limbo.

    You can’t read, can you? I gave you one where the baby tends to die within a few short days– HARLEQUIN BABY. I even provided the scarring-for-life images of what one looks like. Those babies live in constant agony until they die.

    Comment by Dio Brando — April 29, 2008 @ 7:40 pm | Reply

  51. I have a very close friend that is the reason that in most cases, i do not support abortion. She was supposed to be still born, has had two lung transplants and miraculously survived both and a slew of other ailments that astound even her doctors. She is the happiest person I know and one of the best Christians I am yet to meet. Her doctors wanted her mother to abort.
    But the diseases Dio posted about, no one deserves that.

    Comment by Armand Jean du Plessis de Richelieu — April 29, 2008 @ 8:04 pm | Reply

  52. Those babies live in constant agony until they die.

    Comment by Dio Brando — April 29, 2008 @ 7:40 pm

    I am sure its a sign of God’s love. Or a sign to the parents to begin leading more Christian lives. Or God is sending a message to all of us that we had better worship Him and not any stupid idols or bad things are gonna happen.

    Get right with God boy!

    Comment by Marty McPain — April 30, 2008 @ 8:16 am | Reply

  53. “There was a time recently when he was holding out on my new Hummer that I deserved and I needed some major renovations to my pool and spa area in my house..but the Lord came through, as always..and He blessed me with extra cash as well.”

    Marty, nobody deserves a Hummer. Frankly, I find them to be slow-responding, cumbersome, gas-guzzlers, and wouldn’t drive one if you paid me. Also, nobody deserves a private pool. You earned those through your own labors. Deity (call it what you will) doesn’t give you what you want, only the bare necessities everyone needs to survive (i.e., food, water, and protection from the elements). You did the rest yourself, and probably deprived innocent people of their own needs in order to get it.

    Also, I never was Baptist, so insisting I go “back” to the Baptist faith is a bit silly.

    Dio: I bet you didn’t know this little tidbit, but a lot of incest victims are actually happy to find themselves pregnant, because an inbred baby provides irrefutable proof that they are being abused. Aborting the baby is a common method of covering up incest, therefore I do not find the incest exception palatable on these grounds. And don’t give me the DNA-testing crap. Yes, they’ll test a live baby, but they’re not likely to test an aborted fetus. After all, the mother wanted rid of it, so why bother finding out who the father was?

    Similarly, many rape victims abort because they “don’t want to spend the rest of my life living with a reminder of the rape.” Well guess what? Abortion causes the same psychological trauma as rape–so a rape victim who gets an abortion is actually going through two traumatizing incidents within a few months of each other. Also, even if she doesn’t get an abortion, she doesn’t have to live with the kid–there are thousands of infertile couples who would love to adopt a kid. Also, being Gnostic, I’m sure you’re very familiar with the whole “Don’t punish a child for the sins of his father” thing. So I’m afraid I don’t believe in the rape exception either.

    The quality of life thing is tricky, because, as I have demonstrated, the slippery-slope phenomenon has already taken effect in that case. People are aborting their babies just because they’re not “perfect.” Losing the use of one’s legs or eyes sounds unbearable to most of us, yet the blind and paraplegic live happy and productive lives, just like the rest of us. There’s a huge difference between “My baby will suffer a few months of agony after he/she is born, then die a horrible death,” and “My baby probably won’t be able to learn beyond a fifth-grade level and has a slightly higher risk of certain birth defects.” However, I am far more likely to sympathize with the mother who aborts a Tay-Sachs or Harlequin baby than the woman who aborts a Down Syndrome baby, because frankly, as long as they’re not suffering constant, excruciating pain, it’s really hard to tell what their self-perception is of their quality of life just based on a genetic disorder. I do agree that no one should have to suffer as those babies do. I honestly didn’t realize that babies in such horrific condition actually managed to survive pregnancy–a lot of the really nasty defects tend to cause miscarriage, as I have mentioned before.

    Corker: Your Limbo-speak sounds like pre-Vatican-II Catholicism at its “finest.” Most Protestant sects do not believe that one can go to Hell if one dies as a small child, because young children lack the reasoning ability to choose whether or not to become Christian. Modern Catholics (as in, since 1965)believe that newborns and miscarried babies do not go to Hell, because they have not yet had the opportunity to sin in the first place. So nobody believes in Limbo as the destination of unbaptized babies anymore. At best, you could argue that virtuous pagans who never had the opportunity to hear of Christ went to Limbo when they died, but even that doesn’t sound like the act of a loving God to me. After all, how can you reject someone you don’t even know about?

    Comment by L — April 30, 2008 @ 9:12 am | Reply

  54. “You must have not heard of forensics. Rape is detectable, since virtually no non-drugged rape is ever going to lack signs of struggle. And drugged sex turns up in the bloodstream(drugs, DUH).

    Incest is detectable through DNA testing.”

    You failed to acknowledge my point that the court system is overburdened, and that these bogus cases will weigh it down even more. L seems to have done a fine job of covering the rest.

    “Ironic coming from the guy who likes to lynch blacks, and advocates murdering anyone who isn’t exactly like himself.”

    Dio, when are you going to stop putting words in my mouth? I certainly do not advocate lynching blacks, unless they are pagan or left-wing or commit a crime. I advocate justice, distributed from the government, to anyone who threatens to spread chaos. Chaos is unacceptable, and the prison system does a poor job of suppressing chaos. That is why the death penalty and just retribution are the only acceptable choices. Now drop it.

    “P.S.: Darwin’s theory of evolution != Social Darwinism. Darwin would say that ethnicities adapted to their environments, which is true. The amount and intensity of sunlight alone eventually led to skin colour. You can see other evidence in Inuits(those who could not handle intense-fat diets and cold died off), and in South America(the survival rates of those with partial sickle-cells and those with perfect blood cells versus malaria).”

    Social Darwinism was a key point of fascism, which I will have nothing to do with. Also, if you don’t think that craniology is racist, or a result of Darwinism, then you really have to have your head checked. The rest of your post seems correct, although you must realize that this falls under microevolution. Macroevolution is complete rubbish.

    “You can’t read, can you? I gave you one where the baby tends to die within a few short days– HARLEQUIN BABY. I even provided the scarring-for-life images of what one looks like. Those babies live in constant agony until they die.”

    These babies at least need to be baptized before they die. Although infant baptism is normally a sin, I’m sure the LORD would make exceptions. I’m open to what should be done with the babies after baptism, but I think we should wait for Psycheout’s opinion before we come to a conclusion. In addition, give an abortion doctor or an infanticide doctor an inch, they take a mile.

    “Your Limbo-speak sounds like pre-Vatican-II Catholicism at its “finest.” Most Protestant sects do not believe that one can go to Hell if one dies as a small child, because young children lack the reasoning ability to choose whether or not to become Christian. Modern Catholics (as in, since 1965)believe that newborns and miscarried babies do not go to Hell, because they have not yet had the opportunity to sin in the first place. So nobody believes in Limbo as the destination of unbaptized babies anymore.”

    I’m not Catholic, I’m Christian Reconstructionist, which is an offshoot of Calvinism. You also seem to answer the question for me later…

    “After all, how can you reject someone you don’t even know about?”

    Or accept?

    Marty, I think there is a reason why God has been slow on giving you a Hummer: it’s because Hummers are pitiful methods of escaping from poor people. The acceleration is so bad (especially in the 5 cylinder ones) that poor people, who are generally good sprinters, will catch you in seconds. God wants you to realize that there are better escape methods: I use a Dodge Viper, which has the added effect of being louder than the biggest subwoofer imaginable, and will therefore shoot down many impoverished people’s pride and joy. He gave you a Hummer because He loves you, but He also wants you to be safe from the filth on the streets.

    Comment by bobcorker — April 30, 2008 @ 2:20 pm | Reply

  55. “I’m not Catholic, I’m Christian Reconstructionist, which is an offshoot of Calvinism.”

    Oh, so after all of your talk about Jesus, you don’t even belong to the same religion you claim he does (Baptist) Don’t you think it’s just a bit hypocritical to claim Jesus is perfect in all things and then subscribe to different religion from his?

    Comment by Arn — April 30, 2008 @ 3:23 pm | Reply

  56. Here is a quick breakdown on Corker’s religion:

    Generally, Reconstructionism seeks to replace democracy with a theocratic elite that would govern by imposing their interpretation of “Biblical Law.” Reconstructionism would eliminate not only democracy but many of its manifestations, such as labor unions, civil rights laws, and public schools. Women would be generally relegated to hearth and home. Insufficiently Christian men would be denied citizenship, perhaps executed. So severe is this theocracy that it would extend capital punishment beyond such crimes as kidnapping, rape, and murder to include, among other things, blasphemy, heresy, adultery, and homosexuality.

    Comment by Arn — April 30, 2008 @ 3:27 pm | Reply

  57. I could have sworn that Publiceye.org said that they were ‘progressive’… and that you don’t subscribe to any particular political affiliation…

    “Oh, so after all of your talk about Jesus, you don’t even belong to the same religion you claim he does (Baptist) Don’t you think it’s just a bit hypocritical to claim Jesus is perfect in all things and then subscribe to different religion from his?”

    I’m assuming ‘he’ is Marty McPain, but I’m really confused on the purpose of this statement. If you read the publiceye article further, you would see that the ‘branches’ of CR are the Presbyterian theologists, the Baptist (esp. Southern Baptists) ministry, and the Pentecostal communication system. Therefore, McPain is fine with me. I would also consider exceptional Catholics (Psycheout, Sisyphus, Sam Brownback) in this group, although I cannot trust a man that believes I descended from a monkey.

    Comment by bobcorker — April 30, 2008 @ 4:47 pm | Reply

  58. What public eye article? I never heard of that.

    Comment by Arn — April 30, 2008 @ 5:24 pm | Reply

  59. But don’t worry, nobody here thinks you descended from a monkey, you still are one.

    Comment by Arn — April 30, 2008 @ 5:27 pm | Reply

  60. “I’m assuming ‘he’ is Marty McPain,”

    No, “He” is Jesus. If Jesus is Baptist, and he is perfect, then why aren’t you a Baptist? And don’t answer with that previous dribble about reconstuctionists including a baptist variation, there is absolutely nothing in the Bible to support reconstructionism in any religion, your rant about the various factions of the religion only goes to support the fact that reconstructionists are nothing more than a grup of religious fanatics that don’t know what religion their stupid ideals come from.

    Comment by Arn — April 30, 2008 @ 6:02 pm | Reply

  61. “What public eye article? I never heard of that.”

    Copied word for word. For the other readers here, check the last half of the third paragraph. Your Helioleftist deceptions do not work here, Arn.

    “But don’t worry, nobody here thinks you descended from a monkey, you still are one.”

    I suspect you are closer in stature and intelligence to a monkey than I am. Monkeys are usually midgets, furry, and have tails; you have said that you are short, and have a ponytail. Monkeys also subscribe to Leftist governing systems; like you, they think that people should have the right to defecate on the flag and throw tomatoes at Christians. Monkeys are obsessed with hiding behind leaves; you are obsessed with hiding behind your demon leaf. Monkeys believe that homosexuality (see the bonobo monkey), bestiality, and polygamy are acceptable lifestyles.

    “If Jesus is Baptist, and he is perfect, then why aren’t you a Baptist?”

    Jesus is not Baptist. John Calvin was divinely inspired, and as such, Calvinism is correct.

    Comment by bobcorker — April 30, 2008 @ 6:36 pm | Reply

  62. “Copied word for word. For the other readers here, check the last half of the third paragraph. Your Helioleftist deceptions do not work here, Arn.”

    As I said, I never heard of the Public eye site, I got my info from the Freedom of Religion Coalition site, read it for yourself if you are still in doubt.

    http://www.tylwythteg.com/enemies/reconstruct2.html

    sorry about not embedding it, but I still can’t get that to work for me.

    Comment by Arn — April 30, 2008 @ 7:23 pm | Reply

  63. You might note in reading that that the most devastating descriptions of the religion are quoted from the founders and leading people of the religion itself, they are proud of the fact that they call for the death penalty for all non-Christians.

    Comment by Arn — April 30, 2008 @ 7:25 pm | Reply

  64. “John Calvin was divinely inspired, and as such, Calvinism is correct.”

    Any idiot can say they were “devinely inspired” how about some biblical evidence to support that stupid statement.

    Comment by Arn — April 30, 2008 @ 7:35 pm | Reply

  65. I am sure its a sign of God’s love. Or a sign to the parents to begin leading more Christian lives. Or God is sending a message to all of us that we had better worship Him and not any stupid idols or bad things are gonna happen.

    These babies are born no matter what religion, or how religious.

    Also, you worship your Hummer over God.

    Dio: I bet you didn’t know this little tidbit, but a lot of incest victims are actually happy to find themselves pregnant, because an inbred baby provides irrefutable proof that they are being abused. Aborting the baby is a common method of covering up incest, therefore I do not find the incest exception palatable on these grounds. And don’t give me the DNA-testing crap. Yes, they’ll test a live baby, but they’re not likely to test an aborted fetus. After all, the mother wanted rid of it, so why bother finding out who the father was?

    Unfortunately, you’re already making the assumption that “legal abortion = forced abortion”. I’m talking about guaranteeing every woman the right to abort any sort of fatal biological disorder-carrying fetus or rape/incest fetus, even if general abortions are banned. It would be left to the woman to decide.

    Mind, I don’t think we should even reach that point– abortion should not be outlawed. Obviously it’s absurd to see someone going up for their 4th or 5th abortion in 3-4 years, so having a restriction on timeframe is reasonable. Or at least timeframe coverable by insurance. =/

    Monkeys believe that [...]bestiality [...]acceptable lifestyles.

    So what, are monkeys supposed to have sex with humans? Well damn, I didn’t know monkeys weren’t supposed to copulate with their own species!

    Jesus is not Baptist. John Calvin was divinely inspired, and as such, Calvinism is correct.

    Corker’s saying that Jesus does not matter. Instead, a man who had a serious I CONDEMN YOU issue is.

    So you really aren’t a Christian, after all.

    In a strictly Biblical sense of logic, there are only three true pathways of Christianity:

    -Gnosticism
    -Orthodox/Eastern Orthodox
    -Roman Catholic

    Everything else was splintered off by a single dissenter, or a group(like Baptists/Anabaptists).

    Comment by Dio Brando — April 30, 2008 @ 7:39 pm | Reply

  66. As for Calvinism itself, it is a false doctrine that is completely contradicted by what is written in the Bible. The main points of Calvinism consists of 5 doctrines (cutely abbreviated, TULIP) none of which are supported in the bible. They believe you can be saved through the sinners prayer, also not to be found in the bible and first used less than 50 years ago.
    The five points are:
    1. Sins are inherited so all babies a condemned to hell if they don’t live long enough to be “saved”.
    2. Before God created the heavens and the Earth, he created a list of all people that will go to heaven, if your name is not on that list, you will go to hell regardless whether you are Christian or not.
    3. Christ didn’t die for all of our sins, only for the sins of those on God’s list.
    4. God sends the holy spirit to those on the list to guide them to the bible and its teachings, no one else is capable of understand or receiving the word of God.
    5. Once saved, always saved. The implication here would be that once you are saved you can live any way you wish and still get to heaven. So apparently if you are saved, you can commit murder rape or whatever turns you on and you are free from God’s wrath, he forgave you in advance.

    All five doctrines must be accepted as a whole, or rejected, you can’t accept some and not others and you can’t reject some and not others.
    They did, however, choose the proper abbreviation for their doctrines, for when judgement day comes they will be:
    Tyrannical
    Urchins
    Living
    In
    Pergatory

    Comment by Arn — April 30, 2008 @ 8:02 pm | Reply

  67. So the next time you go spouting off Bible verses bear in mind that your own religion goes against the teachings in the Bible. Support your religion or support the Bible, you can’t do both without being a hypocrite.
    Oh wait,,,,,,,, you are one.

    Comment by Arn — April 30, 2008 @ 8:10 pm | Reply

  68. I am sure its a sign of God’s love. Or a sign to the parents to begin leading more Christian lives. Or God is sending a message to all of us that we had better worship Him and not any stupid idols or bad things are gonna happen.

    A sign of love? “Here, I love you. So have this baby that’s gonna cost you a couple hundred grand to take care of before dying at a terribly young age in endless agony and suffering”?

    These babies are born regardless of religion or dedication to religion.

    Dio: I bet you didn’t know this little tidbit, but a lot of incest victims are actually happy to find themselves pregnant, because an inbred baby provides irrefutable proof that they are being abused. Aborting the baby is a common method of covering up incest, therefore I do not find the incest exception palatable on these grounds. And don’t give me the DNA-testing crap. Yes, they’ll test a live baby, but they’re not likely to test an aborted fetus. After all, the mother wanted rid of it, so why bother finding out who the father was?

    Unfortunately, you’ve fallen into the “able to = always will do” trap. My suggestion is that the right to abort due to fatal genetic flaw or undesirability due to rape or incest is guaranteed even if general abortions are banned.

    Just because someone has the power and ability to do something, does not mean they will. Few humans could ever tolerate the mental and emotional stress of multiple abortions. Those who can have more serious issues.

    You failed to acknowledge my point that the court system is overburdened

    From what, rape cases? Are you saying rape should be legal? Sir, are you advocating breaking one of the largest sins a human can commit?

    Monkeys believe that homosexuality (see the bonobo monkey), bestiality, and polygamy are acceptable lifestyles.

    I’m sorry, since when were monkeys not supposed to have bestiality, which makes no sense since THEY’RE ANIMALS, IDIOT? Damn, someone had best tell those bonobo apes they’ve been sinning by copulating with their own species!

    Jesus is not Baptist. John Calvin was divinely inspired, and as such, Calvinism is correct.

    …and then Corker suggests that Jesus was wrong, Calvin was right.

    In a Biblical sense of logic, there are only THREE pure forms of Christianity:

    -Orthodox/Eastern Orthodox
    -Gnosticism
    -Roman Catholic

    Everything else was splintered off by an individual or individuals believing they had the best idea.

    Monkeys also subscribe to Leftist governing systems

    You know, the more I looked at this, the less I thought Corker was referring to animals, and the more I realize that he’s using a derogatory reference to blacks.

    Your racism is simply disgusting, you anti-christ pig.

    Comment by Dio Brando — April 30, 2008 @ 10:48 pm | Reply

  69. Hmm, I don’t remember my 7p.m. reply-filled comment appearing earlier. No matter.

    Comment by Dio Brando — April 30, 2008 @ 10:50 pm | Reply

  70. Here is a quick breakdown on Corker’s religion

    Sounds pretty reasonable. What part of that do you object to?

    Comment by Psycheout — May 1, 2008 @ 12:48 pm | Reply

  71. Sounds pretty reasonable. What part of that do you object to?

    Arn said:

    Insufficiently Christian men would be denied citizenship, perhaps executed. So severe is this theocracy that it would extend capital punishment beyond such crimes as kidnapping, rape, and murder to include, among other things, blasphemy, heresy, adultery, and homosexuality.

    So apparently you’re okay with genocide, rape, kidnapping, blasphemy, and rampant homosexuality? I mean, I know you LOVE raping and kidnapping, but I never would’ve expected you to also enjoy blasphemy, heresy, and homosexuality.

    Comment by Dio Brando — May 1, 2008 @ 1:01 pm | Reply

  72. “Sounds pretty reasonable. What part of that do you object to?”

    Uh,,, all of it.

    Comment by Arn — May 1, 2008 @ 1:23 pm | Reply

  73. “In a Biblical sense of logic, there are only THREE pure forms of Christianity:

    -Orthodox/Eastern Orthodox
    -Gnosticism
    -Roman Catholic”

    And then there is my religion, it’s not Christianity, but it’s waayyyyy more correct that Corker’s.

    May the Force be with you.

    Comment by Arn — May 1, 2008 @ 2:07 pm | Reply

  74. Corker’s not even a Christian. He’s a bloody Scientologist, he is.

    Comment by Dio Brando — May 1, 2008 @ 2:35 pm | Reply

  75. Corker:

    The bonobo is not a monkey, but an ape. Learn your primates.

    I’m also seconding Arn with regards to the Calvinist claims. The Mormons believe that Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were divinely inspired. You, presumably, don’t. Similarly, a lot of people don’t believe John Calvin (or Thomas Hobbes, for that matter) was divinely inspired, or that the Bible was divinely inspired. A lot of people disagree with you, and you’re just going to have to deal with that. Also, what is your opinion of a certain anti-Semetic, excommunicated monk?

    Dio: Unfortunately, abortion isn’t always up to the woman to decide. If people can be coerced into killing millions “for the greater good,” (yes, I know I’m flirting with Godwin’s Law here, but my point still stands) than how difficult could it be to force your frightened, confused teenage daughter to abort your seed in her belly? You forget, there is a dangerous tendency toward silence among victims of sexual abuse. And surely you agree that just one abortion for the sole purpose of hiding incest would be one too many! I know that it’s not going to happen in all cases; I’m not stupid. But the fact that it happens at all is tragic.

    Arn: I see your point about the dangers of theocracy, but you’re not expressing it in the best way.

    Let me give an example, to clear things up around here.

    I follow a duotheistic religion that predates Christianity by millenia. As symbols of my devotion, I keep God and Goddess images in my home. (I don’t actually have any yet, because they’re pretty darn expensive when you’re on a college student’s budget. However, for the sake of the example, let’s assume I do.) I do not worship these statues, any more than Christians worship crosses or paintings of Jesus. However, because they are symbols of my faith, I treat them with respect. I also use these Divine effigies in some rituals, as a physical symbol of the Deities themselves. I harm no one through my faith, nor do I try to convert anyone to it. I practice quietly, in the privacy of my own home, and many friends of mine do not even realize that I am Pagan. But in a theocracy, I would be tortured and killed for practicing my faith–even though doing so has no ill effects on society as a whole, or my local community in general!

    And Arn, the Catholic and Orthodox religions aren’t “pure Christianity” any more than the Protestant faiths. They haven’t been since the fourth century, when early Christians appropriated the Pagan holidays of Eostara and Yule for their own purposes.

    Comment by L — May 6, 2008 @ 9:04 am | Reply

  76. “And Arn, the Catholic and Orthodox religions aren’t “pure Christianity” any more than the Protestant faiths.”

    Actually, L, I never said they were, that part of my comment was in quotes. I copied it from someone else’s previous comment. Personally, I don’t believe their is such a thing as “pure Christianity”. I just used that as a lead up to my own religion, the force. Of course it’s not a religion it’s just something in a series of sci-fi movies, but it makes more sense than most actual religions do.
    We all have something, I can’t give it a name but it’s there. Whether it be a soul or spirit as in the religious sense, or just a form of energy that has yet to be discovered or identified, it is there. Something makes us self aware and gives us conscious thought. The combining of the 84 elements and minerals that make up our physical bodies are not capable of producing self awareness, even the electrical pulses that are cursing through our brains can’t produce consciousness, but something does. That something can’t be physical, and therefore can’t be an actual part of physical life, so in theory (my theory that is, lol) it also can’t be a part of physical death, so upon physical death that something must go somewhere else, so why not out into the universe as part of an energy force that exists around us. Unfortunately we are not like the Jedi with the ability to tap into that force, but I believe that force actually exists just on the basis that energy can not be destroyed, it can be changed but not destroyed.
    And then again, maybe it’s just the pot affecting my brain again.

    Comment by The One — May 6, 2008 @ 10:19 am | Reply

  77. So you’re an agnostic? Cool.

    Also, my above comment left out the May crowning, which is essentially Beltane with “the Goddess” (which one depends on the region) replaced by “Mary.” There is literally no other difference.

    Comment by L — May 13, 2008 @ 6:47 am | Reply

  78. If people can be coerced into killing millions “for the greater good,” (yes, I know I’m flirting with Godwin’s Law here, but my point still stands) than how difficult could it be to force your frightened, confused teenage daughter to abort your seed in her belly?

    That’s why there’s a list of protocols prior to abortion. Someone who’s trained in spotting unwillingness or abuse can prevent at least some silencing.

    And Arn, the Catholic and Orthodox religions aren’t “pure Christianity” any more than the Protestant faiths. They haven’t been since the fourth century, when early Christians appropriated the Pagan holidays of Eostara and Yule for their own purposes.

    I was the one who said that. I don’t mean to say they’re absolutely pure(the fact that they’re split should, you know, prove that), but that they’re the purest of the Christian sects. None of them are the result of single-man influence– Catholicism and Orthodoxy are based more upon incorporation and multiple voices. They’re also the oldest, just behind original Gnosticism.

    Comment by Dio Brando — May 13, 2008 @ 4:55 pm | Reply

  79. True. But incorporation, as we’ve seen in the secular world, is a two-edged sword. ;)

    Comment by L — May 14, 2008 @ 6:31 am | Reply

  80. It’s called “Freedom of Choice” for a reason, asswipe.

    I’m pro-life myself, but if a woman wants to abort her baby, I’m not gonna shove morals down her throat. It’s her choice. Hence the term pro-CHOICE.

    Comment by rapaxpringer — July 25, 2009 @ 6:19 pm | Reply


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