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May 18, 2007

Heliocentrism is an Atheist Doctrine

Filed under: Faith, Science — Sisyphus @ 10:04 am

HeliocentrismWhat’s even worse than the debate raging in American schools about the teaching of the soulless doctrine of evolution, is the non-debate over an issue that rational Americans have foolishly conceded to the secular among us: the issue of Heliocentrism, or the idea that the Earth revolves around the Sun.

Now, it has to be granted that there may be some mathematical evidence going either way; mathematically speaking, Copernicus may be on ground nearly as firm as that of Tycho Brahe. Right-thinking people know the correct doctrine, however:

Heliocentrism is the view that the sun is at the center of the universe. It was proposed by some ancient Greeks,[1] and became the dominant view in the 1700s and 1800s. It was abandoned in the 20th century.

Since the advent of relativity theory in the early 1900s, the laws of physics have been written in covariant equations, meaning that they are equally valid in any frame. Heliocentric and geocentric theories are both used today, depending on which allows more convenient calculations

It seems clear that it may occasionally be convenient to assume that the calculations of Copernicus and Kepler were mathematically sound. However, for both moral and theological reasons, we should always bear in mind that the Earth does not move. If it moved, we would feel it moving. That’s called empiricism, the experience of the senses. Don’t take my word for it, or the evidence of your own senses, Copernicans. There’s also the Word of the Lord:

“He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.” (1 Chronicles 16:30)

“Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm …” (Psalm 93:1)

“Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.” (Psalm 104:5)

“…who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast…” (Isaiah 45:1 8)

“The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.” (Ecclesiastes 1:5)

“Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.” (Joshua 10, 12-13)

Moreover, as Answers in Genesis points out,

…[S]omething well known to high-school physics students, but apparently not to bibliosceptics—that it’s valid to describe motion from any reference frame, although an inertial one usually makes the mathematics simpler.3 But there are many times when the Earth is a convenient reference frame; i.e. at some point we all use the geocentric model in one sense. For instance, a planetarium is a geocentric model. Calculation of rising, transiting, and setting of various celestial objects is calculated geocentrically. There are numerous other examples. Since modern astronomers often use an Earth-centred reference frame, it’s unfair and anti-scientific to criticise the Bible for doing the same.

The premier website for those wishing an absolute debunking of the Biblically unsound, empirically fraudulent, historically heretical doctrine of Heliocentrism is http://www.fixedearth.com/. The website contains numerous links to essays and analyses proving that the embrace of Copernicus is almost as foolish as the embrace of Darwinism. To quote from just one of these astounding essays:

Copernicanism, in short, is a concept that is protected in a bunker under a 50 foot thick ceiling of solid “scientific” concrete. It is meant to be impregnable. It is a concept that has become ensconced in men’s minds as the indestructible cornerstone of enlightened modern man’s knowledge. Virtually all people everywhere have been taught to believe–and do believe–that this concept is based on objective science and dispassionate secular reasoning, now long since freed from religious superstitions based on the Bible.

Indeed, it was this Copernican heliocentricity concept that gradually broke the back of Bible credibility as the source of Absolute Truth in Christendom. Once the Copernican Revolution had conquered the physical sciences of Astronomy and Physics and put down deep roots in Universities and lower schools everywhere, it was only a matter of time until the Biological sciences launched the Darwinian Revolution.

This embrace of Darwinism then quite predictably emboldened increasingly secular-minded mankind to further reject Biblical Absolutism and replace its teachings with yet more new “truths” in areas of learning having to do with economics and government. Thus was unsuccessful and floundering Marxism given new life. Marx openly tried to dedicate his own books to Darwin, exulting: “You have given me the basis for my system”. Thus, the “Social Science” disciplines were born and began to make their contributions to the destruction of Bible credibility…

Darwin, of course, only popularized evolutionism with his book in 1859, giving it a supposed mechanism thru natural selection and mutations, both since demonstrated to be utter nonsense. The actual roots of the evolutionary concept can be traced back to antiquity…as indeed can the roots of Copernican heliocentricism. Certainly the neo-heliocentrists, i.e., the early Copernicans such as Kepler were evolutionists. Galileo, like Kepler his friend, a neo-heliocentrist, was probably an evolutionist. Newton gave Copernicanism its biggest boost with his book in 1687, but I’ve seen no overt evidence that he was an evolutionist. (If you know of such evidence, I’d like to see it….)

Thanks, however, to Newton’s invented math and the excesses of his gravitational hypotheses (HERE), Copernicanism dug in its heels in the universities in the 1700’s, and by the last quarter of that century had produced a large crop of hard core heliocentrists, not a few of whom were advocating ape-man theories (amongst them, Darwin’s grandfather, Erasmus Darwin, Voltaire’s disciples in France, etc.). This was the age of “The Enlightenment” which produced Thomas Paine, the celebrated pamphleteer of the American Revolution, whom George Washington referred to as “that filthy little atheist”. Thomas Jefferson’s and Ben Franklin’s Deism was commonplace in Europe as well as amongst the rebellious American colonies. During the French Revolution of the 1790’s the Bible was actually outlawed.

These developments were sixty to a hundred years and more before Darwin, but the damage to Bible credibility done by the Copernican Revolution by that time was making an ever-widening open door for Evolutionism to take root. By 1830–even before Darwin (with his Degree in Theology, not Biology) went to the Galapagos Islands and began to formulate his mythology, Charles Lyell (with his degree in Law, not Geology) had advanced his idea of a “geologic column” with great ages attached to alleged descending layers of the earth. Though such a column has never, ever been confirmed, and though there are mountainous examples of the theoretically old layers being on top of the supposedly more recent ones, and though the Cambrian layer shows a sudden profusion of highly developed life forms with no antecedents, Darwin picked up on Lyell’s fantasy and it is still taught as a proof of an ancient earth and macro-evolutionism.

If that, alone, isn’t enough to convince you of the folly of embracing a soulless, atheistic pseudoscience like Heliocentrism, perhaps this will soften your stony head:

God, thru His Word, teaches a non-moving and immovable earth just as surely as he teaches a six-day Creation 6000 years ago and a universal Flood some 1600 years later. All attempts to twist and even boldly reverse geocentric Scriptures by claiming that God just used a “language of appearance” are extremely reckless for the Christian devoted to the inerrancy of Scripture. After all, the same argument has been employed with near devastating effect upon the Creationist Movement by Theistic Evolutionists, has it not?

Attacking vulnerable Copernicanism is a strategy that outflanks the entire secular science establishment (overrunning the Theistic Evolutionist’s position in the process!)

In addition to all that, being men and women of sound mind (II Tim. 1:7), Creationists should be eager to learn that:

1) No one–not Copernicus, not Kepler, not Galileo, not Newton, not Einstein–absolutely no one has proven the earth to be moving.

2) The earth moves only thru abstract, abstruse, and esoteric mathematics invented to make it move.

3) Over 200 truly scientific experiments using real mathematics have shown no earth movement, and these had the science establishment in a panic from the 1880’s until Einstein came to the rescue in 1905 with his “relativity” hypothesis.

4) Relativity is pure claptrap and there isn’t a person reading this who can’t know that fact.

5) Foucault’s Pendulum, the Coriolis Effect, and geostationary satellites do not prove a moving earth.

6) Anyone can see that the results of the Michelson-Morley experiments–especially the light fringe results–prove a stationary earth; and other facts about eclipses, satellite re-positionings, alleged blinding earth speeds, gravitational hooey, etc., add to the proof. Moreover, the Big Bang Baloney, the growing awareness of the effect of Dark Matter on galactic speeds, parallax factors (HERE) which shrink the cosmos, the evidence for speed-of-light retardation, the behavior of reflections and their capabilities for producing phenomena regarding size and depth, etc., all combine to corroborate the certitude of a greatly sanforized universe (one no more than one light day thick: Start HERE), a universe put in diurnal rotation around the spiritual and physical center of God’s Creation, just exactly as it appears to be day in and day out.

7) The Bible not only flatly states scores of times (HERE) and in several ways (HERE) that the earth does not move, it actually has a built-in geocentric assumption–sun rise, sun set–from beginning to end. (One scholar, a geocentrist and mathematician, is cataloguing some 2000 (!) of these.)

In the beginning, the Bible makes clear, the earth was the center of our “solar” system, with no sun for it to go around until the 4th day of creation (Gen.1:14-19; HERE). At the End we read of a New Earth (HERE) replacing in the same location this old one (Rev. 20:11; 21:1,2). This New Earth which occupies the same location in the cosmos as the old one which has “fled away” is the place where God the Father and Jesus will dwell with the redeemed forever (Rev. 21:3).

Given that unpreached but clear teaching, do you think that God the Father and Jesus the Son will eternally be somewhere out on the edge of Their NEW Universe in the boonies…or at the center?

If you ask me, that settles the question right there. I support the Bible, and I don’t want my children learning about Heliocentrism in school. I think this doctrine encourages atheism, Darwinism, and anti-Americanism. I don’t want my tax dollars going to finance this kind of false science. It’s complete rot, and I hope that those of us who come to realize this can ultimately prevail against its propogation amongst OUR children with the money from OUR salaries.

I can’t wait to hear from the moonbats and the Darwinists and the other rubes on this one, though. Go on, witch doctors. Preach to me how the planet hurtles through the ether, Scriptural and physical evidence to the contrary! Your false doctrines will be cast down on the day when America rediscovers its Christian roots. That is a promise.

UPDATE: Sheer idiocy.

UPDATE II: Look, people, even your Heliocentric hero Galileo recanted his idiotic notions about the Earth revolving around the Sun. If he’s your so-called reliable source on this, I think it does wonders to shatter the idea’s credibility that one of its main proponents backed away from it so abruptly.

UPDATE III: Further Scriptural evidence refuting Heliocentrism. To me, this settles the debate. The Earth does not move. To assert that the Earth does move is to renounce Christianity. It really is as simple as that.

UPDATE IV (by Psycheout): Be sure to visit the B4B Store and get your own “Heliocentrism” gear, before the craven helioleftists shut us down.

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1,659 Comments »

  1. Trying to give Jon Swift a run for his money?

    Comment by les — May 18, 2007 @ 12:55 pm

  2. Intentionally or not, this blog is the funniest thing I’ve seen in a long time.

    Thank you, Sisyphus!

    Comment by Jamey Ballot — May 18, 2007 @ 1:07 pm

  3. Wow. I’m….stunned. Are you seriously that fucking stupid? I though we resolved this issue, oh I dunno, a few hundred years ago.

    Comment by Dave — May 18, 2007 @ 1:16 pm

  4. “Trying to give Jon Swift a run for his money?”

    Who is Jon Swift?

    “Thank you, Sisyphus!”

    You’re welcome. Keep coming back, and be sure to vote Brownback!

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 18, 2007 @ 2:01 pm

  5. “Wow. I’m….stunned. Are you seriously that fucking stupid? I though we resolved this issue, oh I dunno, a few hundred years ago.”

    Obviously you didn’t read the post, then. What’s the matter? Are the big words giving you trouble?

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 18, 2007 @ 2:02 pm

  6. Simply Unbelievable.

    I thought this had to be parody, I mean no-one could possibly still believe that the earth is the center of the universe.

    If I am reading this correctly, then at the very least, I have narrowed brownback out. I cannot possibly vote for someone of that limited thought capacity.

    I am simply astounded at how anyone could believe that the earth stands still while everything revolves around us.

    Thank you for helping me to decide to NEVER vote for brownback.

    Comment by brad — May 18, 2007 @ 2:16 pm

  7. Brownback will do great in Colorado. We’ll make sure of it.

    Comment by Political Pale Horse — May 18, 2007 @ 2:18 pm

  8. I think NASA has proven that the earth moves through space. Intrasolar probes have to retarget to the new location of Terra when they’re sending information back.

    If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck…

    Comment by Ron — May 18, 2007 @ 2:22 pm

  9. Well, Ron. According to the website cited by the Brownback campaign, NASA is part of a conspiracy orchestrated by the Jews and is falsifying their data.

    Comment by Wonk — May 18, 2007 @ 2:25 pm

  10. “I thought this had to be parody, I mean no-one could possibly still believe that the earth is the center of the universe.”

    Spoken like a true atheist.

    “Thank you for helping me to decide to NEVER vote for brownback.”

    If you’re too stupid to see through the lies of the evolutionist community, Brownback doesn’t need your vote anyway. We’ll win without you.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 18, 2007 @ 2:33 pm

  11. “Brownback will do great in Colorado. We’ll make sure of it.”

    Good to hear it, Pale Horse.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 18, 2007 @ 2:34 pm

  12. “I think NASA has proven that the earth moves through space. Intrasolar probes have to retarget to the new location of Terra when they’re sending information back.”

    That’s a situation in which it’s mathematically convenient to consider the Earth as moving. But objects only move relative to other objects. You can easily allow that one object (the Earth) holds still, in accordance with Scripture and the empirical evidence of those of us on Earth. That NASA has decided to view the Earth as moving was their moral and mathematical decision, not an Absolute Fact.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 18, 2007 @ 2:36 pm

  13. “Well, Ron. According to the website cited by the Brownback campaign, NASA is part of a conspiracy orchestrated by the Jews and is falsifying their data.”

    I can’t vouch for everything that website claims, but when it comes to the Fixed Earth issue they are the pre-eminent authority. The whole website is devoted to this issue, and to the subsidiary fallacy of Darwinism. We agree on those two issues, not so much on the nature of NASA.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 18, 2007 @ 2:38 pm

  14. I hope you realize we were being sarcastic. This is what we said in our post about you and your boss.

    If Sam Brownback is elected president we can look forward to fundamentalist Islamic style purges of science, facts, and education. Sam Brownback and his crew of Inquisitioners will take America back to the Stone Age. He and his lunatic supporters should be feared. Well, at least laughed at if nothing else.

    Comment by Political Pale Horse — May 18, 2007 @ 2:54 pm

  15. “I hope you realize we were being sarcastic. This is what we said in our post about you and your boss.”
    Well, that wasn’t very nice.
    Anyway, I only have one boss, and it isn’t Brownback. He’s a man from Nazareth, but I don’t know if you’d know Him or not.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 18, 2007 @ 2:56 pm

  16. An excerpt from the website the Brownback campaign is citing:

    “A few scholarly writings in the last three decades or so of the 20th century dared to challenge another profitable and heretofore untouchable sacred cow, namely, the sacrosanct Holocaust saga. ”

    We find it extremely disturbing that the Brownback campaign would allow such vile Holocaust-denying propaganda and conspiracy theories against the Jewish people to be used in campaign literature.

    We eagerly await an apology from both this website and from Sen. Brownback.

    Thank you.

    Comment by ADL — May 18, 2007 @ 3:02 pm

  17. We know Jesus of Nazareth, who was the Son of God. We probably don’t know the science murderer you are referring that lived in Nazareth at some point in history.

    Comment by Political Pale Horse — May 18, 2007 @ 3:02 pm

  18. Personally, if Brownback actually won, then America would get the president it deserves (after Bush).

    It would be High Comedy if that were the case. I think I’d like to see that. Nobody told me when I was a boy that I would be alive for the Fall of the Republic, it might be worth watching.

    You keep rolling that boulder Sisyphus because you, like the mythical Sisyphus, will never get it over the crest of the hill without it falling back over and squashing you.

    Man I love the Internet. Where else can you just show up and verbally abuse a total stranger?

    Comment by Mark Plattner — May 18, 2007 @ 3:05 pm

  19. “We eagerly await an apology from both this website and from Sen. Brownback.”

    This website isn’t affiliated with Sam Brownback, it’s merely a website of his supporters. I don’t think he can apologize for his supporters.

    But if you want an apology from us, fine: we apologize that sometimes people who are correct about one thing are incorrect about another. The Holocaust denials on the Fixed Earth website are insane; nevertheless, the fact remains that the Earth does not move.

    “We know Jesus of Nazareth, who was the Son of God. We probably don’t know the science murderer you are referring that lived in Nazareth at some point in history.”

    Yet your so-called “science” is embraced by atheists and secularists who refute every shred of what He did and what He stood for. I’m extremely unimpressed.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 18, 2007 @ 3:07 pm

  20. You’re so called science-denials are embraced by fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists.

    Comment by Political Pale Horse — May 18, 2007 @ 3:10 pm

  21. “Personally, if Brownback actually won, then America would get the president it deserves (after Bush).”

    Amen. Fine Presidents, both.

    “It would be High Comedy if that were the case. I think I’d like to see that. Nobody told me when I was a boy that I would be alive for the Fall of the Republic, it might be worth watching.”

    I wouldn’t know. I don’t watch cable TV very often. Is that a new HBO special?

    “You keep rolling that boulder Sisyphus because you, like the mythical Sisyphus, will never get it over the crest of the hill without it falling back over and squashing you.”

    No, I roll that boulder on the liberals and squash them. Lather, rinse, and repeat. Sisyphus never got crushed by his own boulder, never even once.

    “Man I love the Internet. Where else can you just show up and verbally abuse a total stranger?”

    It’s okay. I have thick skin.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 18, 2007 @ 3:10 pm

  22. “You’re so called science-denials are embraced by fundamentalist Islamic Jihadists.”

    And your Godless Darwinism is embraced by their liberal domestic allies, as well as by the lax European Socialist states that allow sleeper cell activity to flourish in their midst.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 18, 2007 @ 3:13 pm

  23. News flash! Darwin believed in God. Darwin’s Origin of Species didn’t once claim men grew from apes. He only stated that species adapt.

    Why would God create creatures and beings that couldn’t adapt to their ever-changing environment?

    Comment by Political Pale Horse — May 18, 2007 @ 3:23 pm

  24. “News flash! Darwin believed in God. Darwin’s Origin of Species didn’t once claim men grew from apes. He only stated that species adapt. ”

    Yeah, the Tree God. How can you compare some kind of Unitarian/Wiccan neo-Paganism to the One True Faith?

    “Why would God create creatures and beings that couldn’t adapt to their ever-changing environment?”

    Everything that happens happens for a reason. I’m not responsible for the reason. If you don’t like it, read the Book of Job.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 18, 2007 @ 3:26 pm

  25. “Everything that happens happens for a reason. I’m not responsible for the reason.”

    So you admit it. You are questioning God’s work. Why would you such a thing?

    Comment by Political Pale Horse — May 18, 2007 @ 3:29 pm

  26. “So you admit it. You are questioning God’s work. Why would you such a thing?”

    Are you literate? There was no question there. All I said was that there’s a reason, and it’s not my job to know it. Sounds like the opposite of questioning, if you ask me.

    Why are you so dishonest?

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 18, 2007 @ 3:31 pm

  27. Maybe it’s not your job to know why species adapt. Maybe it’s not your job to question why the Earth revolves around the Sun. Maybe it’s not your job to call everyone who disagrees with you an atheist.

    Why are you so judgmental?

    Comment by Political Pale Horse — May 18, 2007 @ 3:34 pm

  28. “Maybe it’s not your job to know why species adapt. Maybe it’s not your job to question why the Earth revolves around the Sun. Maybe it’s not your job to call everyone who disagrees with you an atheist.”

    If you’d read the Bible, you’d know the answers to these questions.

    “Why are you so judgmental?”

    Why do you want to fill the heads of our children with this Heliocentric nonsense? Do you want them to grow up like Europe’s children, tolerant of budding Islamist threats within their midst? Do you hate America?

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 18, 2007 @ 3:40 pm

  29. Ha ha ha ha. Ahh ha ha ha ha. How does believing that the Earth revolves Sun make us hate America?

    Were you one of the few at Jonestown that made it through the Kool-Aid ordeal? You know, it didn’t kill you. Just fried your logic skills.

    If so, we’ll back off immediately.

    Comment by Political Pale Horse — May 18, 2007 @ 3:46 pm

  30. I just read at another website about Sen. Brownback’s holocast denials. As a Jew, I don’t believe in Hell, but if it exists you and Brownback will be down there with the rest of the third reich.

    Comment by Schlom — May 18, 2007 @ 3:57 pm

  31. This is the most unintentionally hilarious thing I’ve read since the last Michael Egnor post on the DI site. You know, I had the first Republican debate going in the background and only looked at it when someone said something so idiotic I just had to know the source. Now I’m starting to understand why Brownback was the huge winner in that category.

    The really hysterical thing here is you can’t even keep your lunacy straight. First you use relativity to support your view:

    “Since the advent of relativity theory in the early 1900s, the laws of physics have been written in covariant equations, meaning that they are equally valid in any frame.”

    and then you approvingly quote this:

    “Relativity is pure claptrap and there isn’t a person reading this who can’t know that fact.”

    That’s a reversal that would make Bill O proud. I love this little bit of denial too:

    “…your so-called “science” is embraced by atheists and secularists…”

    …and catholics and baptists and jews and hindus and wiccans and agnostics and capitalists and just about any group you care to name aside from Fundamentalist Christians and their radical Islamic epistemological cousins, which is all you have on your side. Wonder why that is?

    And of course there’s this gem:

    “If you’d read the Bible, you’d know the answers to these questions.”

    If you take the Bible’s word for it, bats are birds, rabbits chew their cud (sorry, no, refection is not the same thing), and sheep can be made to have spotted offspring by having them look at spots when they mate (ask Jacob), among countless other absurdities. If you think the Bible inerrant, it just proves you have no critical reading skills, have never read it, or are as dumb as a bag of hammers.

    And hammered is what Mr. 1-2%-in-the-polls Brownback is getting. Now it is clear why. With friends like this…rant on!!!

    Comment by Science Avenger — May 18, 2007 @ 4:06 pm

  32. “How does believing that the Earth revolves Sun make us hate America?”

    If you support moral relativism over Christianity, you hate the Christian nation of America. If you hate the minds of the children of America, you hate America. If you would rather have Osama take over than allow for the teaching of the truth in schools, you hate America.

    Sorry if it bothers you to hear it, but it’s really cut and dried.

    “Were you one of the few at Jonestown that made it through the Kool-Aid ordeal? You know, it didn’t kill you. Just fried your logic skills.”

    Jonestown was a bunch of Socialist loons. They didn’t believe in geocentrism, either, and they definitely hated America.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 18, 2007 @ 4:17 pm

  33. Schlom- take your meds.

    Science Avenger- your rebuttal will take longer.

    As far as relativism in mathematics goes, mathematics is an abstract calculation method; some techniques sometimes work better than others. Sometimes it may even be convenient to pretend the Earth moves, for mathematical purposes. However, we must always bear in mind that the Earth doesn’t really move.

    “If you take the Bible’s word for it, bats are birds, rabbits chew their cud (sorry, no, refection is not the same thing), and sheep can be made to have spotted offspring by having them look at spots when they mate (ask Jacob), among countless other absurdities. If you think the Bible inerrant, it just proves you have no critical reading skills, have never read it, or are as dumb as a bag of hammers.”

    Bats are birds, they fly. They may be mammals in one sense, but in the sense that they have wings, and all winged non-arthropods are birds, they are birds. Your other absurdities don’t sound vry absurd at all, they sound fairly reasonable (depending upon which translation of the Bible you use). If you think your transation is the only one out there, you;re dumber than a pile of rocks.

    “And hammered is what Mr. 1-2%-in-the-polls Brownback is getting. Now it is clear why. With friends like this…rant on!!!”

    These polls are taklen by moonbats, for moonbats. The only polls that matter will be the statewide primaries next year. Brownback is going to wallop all comers in those polls.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 18, 2007 @ 4:29 pm

  34. “If you hate the minds of the children of America, you hate America.”

    America was founded on freedom. That means the freedom to teach or believe whatever you want. In all reality you hate America, not us. We don’t want a purge of everything we disagree with unlike you.

    Comment by Political Pale Horse — May 18, 2007 @ 4:48 pm

  35. Sisyphus, the Bible says that Eve was made from Adam’s rib. Do you believe (as some people have alleged) that women therefore have one more set of ribs than men?

    Comment by Enlightened Layperson — May 18, 2007 @ 4:51 pm

  36. “The only polls that matter will be the statewide primaries next year. Brownback is going to wallop all comers in those polls.”

    That’s just about as out of touch with reality as everything else you post.

    Just please, please keep posting this priceless stuff in the name of Christianity. It makes it so much easier on us atheists in the culture wars. We win the debate merely by letting you talk.

    Comment by Science Avenger — May 18, 2007 @ 5:17 pm

  37. America was founded on freedom.”

    Yes, the religious freedom of embracing Christ in any denomination of one’s choice. If you’d ever opened a history book in your life, you’d know that I’m right.

    That means the freedom to teach or believe whatever you want. In all reality you hate America, not us. We don’t want a purge of everything we disagree with unlike you.”

    Under your morally relativistic standards, Osama Bin Laden Karl Marx, and John the Baptist are all morally equivalent. We’d have to accept Al Qaeda along with Christian missionaries, because every message is equal and you can’t purge any of them, at all, ever.

    The Constitution is not a suicide pact, however much liberals like you would like to interpret it so.

    “Do you believe (as some people have alleged) that women therefore have one more set of ribs than men?”

    I don’t know, I’m not a doctor. Maybe they do, maybe they don’t, maybe they have them at birth and then lose them 6 minutes later. What’s your point? I’ll research the issue for you, but I’m not sure one way or the other.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 18, 2007 @ 5:20 pm

  38. “Just please, please keep posting this priceless stuff in the name of Christianity. It makes it so much easier on us atheists in the culture wars. We win the debate merely by letting you talk.”

    It doesn’t profit you to gain the world and lose your soul.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 18, 2007 @ 5:24 pm

  39. “Yes, the religious freedom of embracing Christ in any denomination of one’s choice. If you’d ever opened a history book in your life, you’d know that I’m right.”

    What book was that exactly? The Pilgrims came here to worship they way they wanted. Our nation was built on a philosophy of freedom of worship or not to worship.

    Do you want a theocracy here? We don’t. The government can’t even get schools right. What would they do to religion.

    Comment by Political Pale Horse — May 18, 2007 @ 5:26 pm

  40. What book was that exactly? The Pilgrims came here to worship they way they wanted. Our nation was built on a philosophy of freedom of worship or not to worship.”

    Each colony had its own form of acceptable Christianity. The First Amendment was designed to make the practice of one’s own form of Christanity free in each and every colony.

    “Do you want a theocracy here? We don’t. The government can’t even get schools right. What would they do to religion.”

    “In God We Trust.”

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 18, 2007 @ 5:31 pm

  41. What about Jewish people? Would they be allowed into your ideal theocratic country?

    Comment by Political Pale Horse — May 18, 2007 @ 5:36 pm

  42. “What about Jewish people? Would they be allowed into your ideal theocratic country?”

    Presumably, since some of the lived here in 1776 and this is a JUDEO-Christian country, Jewish people have every bit as much of a right to live here as Christians do- and substantially more of a right than tree-hugging Wiccans like you do. After all, your religion was only invented about 4 years ago. How was there an Original Intent by the Founders to allow you to worship Marilyn Manson?

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 18, 2007 @ 5:39 pm

  43. This site is doing alot more harm to Brownback than it is doing good. If you want to help out you will take down this silly post.

    Comment by John Galt — May 18, 2007 @ 5:48 pm

  44. “This site is doing alot more harm to Brownback than it is doing good. If you want to help out you will take down this silly post.”

    Your concern is duly noted, moonbat.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 18, 2007 @ 5:51 pm

  45. Moonbat huh? Well there is a first time for everything. Keep up the good work for Sam, I’m sure he appreciates the votes you are losing him right now.

    Comment by John Galt — May 18, 2007 @ 5:54 pm

  46. “Moonbat huh? Well there is a first time for everything. Keep up the good work for Sam, I’m sure he appreciates the votes you are losing him right now.”

    Sorry, I thought I knew your handle from another blog. If you’re not a leftist troll, my apologies.

    Brownback will win the nomination, and he’ll do it by sticking to the values that Americans have cherished since our nation’s founding. Heliocentrism is not one of those values. When you see the RINO candidates flocking toward a position, standing your ground and avoiding it is the way to get ahead. That’s why Reagan was a great President, and why Bush has been an even better one; Brownback will excel beyond them both.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 18, 2007 @ 6:00 pm

  47. Bravo. You’ve single handedly pissed off all of Colorado’s conservative blogs with your wiccan / moonbat comments.

    These blogs only support the most conservative candidates. Caucus time for your buddy Brownback won’t be pretty now.

    Comment by Bravo — May 18, 2007 @ 6:07 pm

  48. I didn’t realize all Colorado conservatives were Wiccan moonbats, Bravo. Thanks for clearing that up.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 18, 2007 @ 6:11 pm

  49. You remind me of the insane mother from the movie “Carrie”.

    Comment by Wonk — May 18, 2007 @ 6:12 pm

  50. I think it clear that this website answers the TOUGH questions that other candidates pages are afraid to tackle.

    I agree that we need to just read and believe and carry out EVERY SINGLE WORD written in the bible (KJV1611 only) and America will once again be blessed with white babies and servants who know their place.

    Comment by Joe Blow — May 18, 2007 @ 6:15 pm

  51. Kind of reminds me of the movie Psycho.

    Comment by Psycho — May 18, 2007 @ 6:16 pm

  52. Brownback hates Brett Favre. Read below.

    “This is fundamental blocking and tackling,” he said. “This is your line in football. If you don’t have a line, how many passes can Peyton Manning complete? Greatest quarterback, maybe, in NFL history.” Realizing what he had said, the Kansas Republican slumped at the podium and put his head in his hands.

    “I’m not sure how I recover from this,” Brownback said. “My point is we’ve got to rebuild the family. I’ll get off this.”

    Comment by Sam hates Brett — May 18, 2007 @ 6:22 pm

  53. I never saw “Carrie,” Wonk. What’s that about?

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 18, 2007 @ 6:32 pm

  54. “I agree that we need to just read and believe and carry out EVERY SINGLE WORD written in the bible (KJV1611 only) and America will once again be blessed with white babies and servants who know their place.”

    No need for racism. The Word is there for all of us willing to embrace it.

    “Kind of reminds me of the movie Psycho.”

    Is that why you’re named Psycho?

    “Brownback hates Brett Favre. Read below.”

    That was an honest mistake. Why don’t you go criticize Obama’s misstatements? He’s an incredibly tongue-tied individual.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 18, 2007 @ 6:38 pm

  55. This is truly an insane post. Does the author not realize that we have been to space in REAL rocket ships, and have seen the earth actually MOVING? Not only that, the other planets move, too, relative to earth, and we’ve seen that too - from space. It’s not an illusion.

    If Brownback actually believes this, he’s finished. Be assured that 99.9% of Republicans and 99.9% of Christians do NOT believe this extreme Luddite nonsense.

    Comment by Marty — May 18, 2007 @ 7:37 pm

  56. Sisyphus,
    Are you Stephen Cobert? Seriously

    Comment by Enarete — May 19, 2007 @ 12:06 am

  57. Are you guys gonna enter our header contest?

    Comment by Pinko Punko — May 19, 2007 @ 12:41 am

  58. I dont’ know what a “header contest” is, Pinko. But I do know that Orrin Hatch is a great American.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 19, 2007 @ 4:42 am

  59. “This is truly an insane post. Does the author not realize that we have been to space in REAL rocket ships, and have seen the earth actually MOVING? Not only that, the other planets move, too, relative to earth, and we’ve seen that too - from space. It’s not an illusion.”

    How can one object “move,” except in relation to another? If those astronauts had simply realized that their ship was moving relative to the Earth, instead of the other way around, we could finally put this silly Heliocentrism nonsense behind us. Honestly, a few centuries from now people will think it’s as ridiculous as the idea that the planet rests on a giant turtle’s back.

    “If Brownback actually believes this, he’s finished. Be assured that 99.9% of Republicans and 99.9% of Christians do NOT believe this extreme Luddite nonsense.”

    Again with the poll numbers. What is it with you liberals and your poll numbers? You lost 3 elections in a row come election day, but the poll numbers always showed you were ahead. You’ll forgive me if I don’t put much stock in this other great pseudoscience of polling.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 19, 2007 @ 4:56 am

  60. “Are you Stephen Cobert? Seriously”

    No, I hate that man. He’s a charlatan, he’s rude to our President, and he emboldens our enemies.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 19, 2007 @ 4:57 am

  61. “5) Foucault’s Pendulum, the Coriolis Effect, and geostationary satellites do not prove a moving earth.”

    >>Could you please elaborate?

    I’m very interested in the explanation for these phenomena you’re going to come up with that doesn’t involve rotation. Don’t forget the Coriolis effect is not only observed directly linked to earth, but to a great number of experiments regarding any rotating object …

    Comment by Ben — May 19, 2007 @ 5:08 am

  62. “I’m very interested in the explanation for these phenomena you’re going to come up with that doesn’t involve rotation. Don’t forget the Coriolis effect is not only observed directly linked to earth, but to a great number of experiments regarding any rotating object …”

    The Moon rotates, doesn’t it? How are we supposed to have a controlled experiment when we have a giant rock rotating around us all the time? Moreover, the Sun, which is larger than the Earth, rotates, and easily distorts the results of all such terrestrial tinkerings and plottings and schemings to undermine the Bible. The Sun, like the Almighty, shines on such plans, and confounds them with its, and His, presence.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 19, 2007 @ 5:25 am

  63. Koh,10.14

    Comment by Ben — May 19, 2007 @ 5:44 am

  64. This is a very well-written post. I’ve never believed that the Earth moved. If it did move, I’d know something about it. I’ve lived on it my entire life, and never even been on an airplane. To me, it seems like the Earth doesn’t move. I’m glad that there are some scientists out there with websites that agree with me. I’m also very grateful to you Brownback supporters for pointing them out to me. Thank you!

    Comment by Marcia P. — May 19, 2007 @ 7:40 am

  65. What does “Koh,10.14″ mean?

    Comment by Marcia P. — May 19, 2007 @ 7:54 am

  66. This post makes me weep for humanity.

    Comment by Curious — May 19, 2007 @ 8:18 am

  67. “This is a very well-written post. I’ve never believed that the Earth moved. If it did move, I’d know something about it. I’ve lived on it my entire life, and never even been on an airplane. To me, it seems like the Earth doesn’t move. I’m glad that there are some scientists out there with websites that agree with me. I’m also very grateful to you Brownback supporters for pointing them out to me. Thank you!”

    No, thank YOU, Marcia!

    “What does “Koh,10.14″ mean?”

    I don’t know either. What does that mean?

    “This post makes me weep for humanity.”

    I think you’re lodging your faith in the wrong places, Curious. Open your mind to new ideas, and fill the God-shaped hole in your heart.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 19, 2007 @ 8:26 am

  68. These Colorado Republicans seem like awfully rude people. My husband and I were going to take a trip to Denver on our 25th wedding anniversary, but after reading the nasty posts the people from that area have written I think we should reconsider.

    Comment by Marcia P. — May 19, 2007 @ 10:17 am

  69. “Don’t forget the Coriolis effect is not only observed directly linked to earth, but to a great number of experiments regarding any rotating object ”

    Yeah, and don’t forget the bulge along the equator of the earth caused by its rotation. But then what sort of response would you expect from someone who thinks bats are birds and sees nothing wrong with a claim that you can make goats have spotted offspring by having them look at spots when they mate. Sisyphus clearly has no friggin idea what he is talking about, and simply makes stuff up as he goes. Thus every poll that disagrees with him is done by moonbats (evidence - zero), everyone who disagrees with this putrid post is a Pinko (evidence - zero), etc.

    But like I said, I love that this stuff is out there. When I tell people on planet earth (you know, the one that’s moving) how stark raving bonkers some Republicans are, they don’t believe me. That’s where sites like this are so very valuable. So thanks again!

    Comment by Science Avenger — May 19, 2007 @ 11:11 am

  70. Kohelet(Ecclesiastes) 10:14

    Comment by Ben — May 19, 2007 @ 11:11 am

  71. Obviously a very twisted joke. You’re obvously spoofing the evolution/inteligent design debate.
    Satire isn’t an arguement. Funny though.

    Comment by Ray — May 19, 2007 @ 11:12 am

  72. Marcia asked: “What does “Koh,10.14″ mean?”

    Sisyphus responded: “I don’t know either. What does that mean?”

    Well, while I hesitate to speak for Ben, given the nature of his question and your, ahem, “answer”, I suspect it represents his parting thought along the lines of: Oh, my bad, I didn’t realize I was talking to a completely ignorant fruit loop who isn’t capable of rational discourse.

    Just a hunch.

    Comment by Science Avenger — May 19, 2007 @ 11:14 am

  73. Thanks, Ben. I see your quote, now.

    “and the fool multiplies words.
    No one knows what is coming—
    who can tell him what will happen after him?”

    Thanks for sharing about yourself.

    “These Colorado Republicans seem like awfully rude people. My husband and I were going to take a trip to Denver on our 25th wedding anniversary, but after reading the nasty posts the people from that area have written I think we should reconsider.”

    They certainly do. Luckily, they can throw their state to the America-haters, but we’ll still have enough states to win the election in 2008. So, who needs them?

    “Yeah, and don’t forget the bulge along the equator of the earth caused by its rotation.”

    This is the most ridiculous thing ever. Our planet is pudgy from running around the Sun so many times. Do you have any idea how silly you sound?

    “Sisyphus clearly has no friggin idea what he is talking about, and simply makes stuff up as he goes.”

    Yeah, sorry I wasn’t familiar with the “out of shape jogger” theory of celestial mechanics.

    “Well, while I hesitate to speak for Ben, given the nature of his question and your, ahem, “answer”, I suspect it represents his parting thought along the lines of: Oh, my bad, I didn’t realize I was talking to a completely ignorant fruit loop who isn’t capable of rational discourse.”

    No, he was quoting a line from the Bible, applying it autobiographically.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 19, 2007 @ 11:43 am

  74. “Obviously a very twisted joke. You’re obvously spoofing the evolution/inteligent design debate.
    Satire isn’t an arguement. Funny though.”

    Obviously, you’re another one of these atheistic leftist morons. I pity you.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 19, 2007 @ 11:45 am

  75. I’m pretty sure Brownback disagrees with you Sisyphus. He doesn’t seem crazy. Attacking heliocentrism? Just reading this, I feel like I must be taking crazy pills.

    By the way, if heliocentrism is an atheist doctrine, you’ve just called several popes atheists. Please tell me you’re really anti-Brownback and are just saying this stuff to discredit him. He deserves a much much better voice than this.

    Comment by Noonan — May 19, 2007 @ 11:58 am

  76. Those Popes were under political pressure, Noonan. Politics and expedient mathematics do not dictate the ultimate reality of our Universe. If they did, Newtonian physics and Einstein would have to have a final showdown of sorts, which only one could emerge from.

    You’re very, very judgmental about this issue. Why is it so touchy for you?

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 19, 2007 @ 12:00 pm

  77. As you so well understood my words Sisyphus, I’ll share with you this bit of wisdom that I intend to follow.

    “If the fool would persist in his folly he would become wise.” - William O’Neil

    Maybe it will bring others to insights as fruitfull to them as they were to me.

    Comment by Ben — May 19, 2007 @ 12:32 pm

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  79. “If they did, Newtonian physics and Einstein would have to have a final showdown of sorts, which only one could emerge from.”

    Uh, Einstein’s theory of relativity is compatible with Newtonian physics when dealing with low mass/low velocity objects and situations. The theory of relativity shows itself when dealing with extreme situations that causes inconsistencies in classical Newtonian mechanics.

    Basically, for the scale of things taking place on this planet, Newton’s physics are still used since the effects of relativity are too weak to effect the data in any meaningful way. When we start dealing with high velocities in orbit, we take relativity into account. You most likely were not aware, but satellites in orbit and probes in deep space are tuned according to the equations of the theory of relativity to negate the effects of time dilation that occurs (one clock seems to be moving at a different rate than the one on Earth). Not to mention that NASA recently did experiments using probes in orbit that proved Einstein’s equations by letting us actually observe relativity.

    This might be hard for you to wrap your head around since “you can’t feel the Earth moving.”

    Comment by An Actual Scientist — May 19, 2007 @ 12:40 pm

  80. “Those Popes were under political pressure, Noonan. Politics and expedient mathematics do not dictate the ultimate reality of our Universe. If they did, Newtonian physics and Einstein would have to have a final showdown of sorts, which only one could emerge from.”

    Sisyphus, please. With every post you demonstrate your ignorance of science. This “final showdown” occurred a hundred years ago, when Einstein produced a theory that conflicted with Newtonian mechanics. Einstein was demonstrated correct, and it was shown that Newton’s theory was merely a special case of Einstein’s.

    Annoying as this error is, it’s far eclipsed by your “Galileo recanted” claim. The man spent the last decade of his life under house arrest by the Church. Anything he said in such circumstances in suspect.

    I read this blog for the laughs, but posts like this just make me angry. And sad.

    Comment by Curious — May 19, 2007 @ 12:57 pm

  81. This is easily one of the dunbest things I’ve ever read. Really, you deserve some kind of an award.

    Comment by urizon — May 19, 2007 @ 12:58 pm

  82. The earth doesn’t move? Citing the bible as a source? I feel a mixture of sorrow and deep contempt for you. You are obviously completely ignorant, living in a medival fantasy world. You poor fool.

    Comment by Hasenkatz — May 19, 2007 @ 1:09 pm

  83. I wonder what you’re doing on the internet if you seriously don’t believe in the past several hundred years of science. Jesus certainly never mentioned the internet. We all know it was invented by a bunch of godless California atheists, and many aspects of it are eerily similar to things described in the book of Revelation as the work of the beast. I’m wondering why you think it’s OK to be using Dumb-o-Crap invented technology like the internet, computers, vaccines, airplanes, television, electricity, etc. Do you really not know that Satan is behind the internet and all those other technologies?

    While we’re talking about physics I for one would like some proof that the world is round. It makes no sense to me and it directly contradicts the book of Revelation which says that the world is square with an angel at each corner. Do you believe in the book of Revelation and the flat earth it describes or are you just a CINO (Christian In Name Only), one of those traitors who only believes in the words of the Lord when it’s convenient to?

    Comment by Eduardo — May 19, 2007 @ 1:17 pm

  84. “Maybe it will bring others to insights as fruitfull to them as they were to me.”

    Well, I’m glad that persisting in your folly worked out for you, Ben.

    “This “final showdown” occurred a hundred years ago, when Einstein produced a theory that conflicted with Newtonian mechanics. Einstein was demonstrated correct, and it was shown that Newton’s theory was merely a special case of Einstein’s.”

    Now you idiots admit you hate Newton, too. Who will you turn on next, Karl Marx? Talk about a cannibalistic cabal.

    “Annoying as this error is, it’s far eclipsed by your “Galileo recanted” claim. The man spent the last decade of his life under house arrest by the Church. Anything he said in such circumstances in suspect.”

    He probably needed protection. If there hadn’t been guards keeping his home safe, the locals probably would’ve killed him. He certainly needed protection from his own kooky ideas. The man publicly admitted he was a crackpot, so what are they supposed to do with him? If someone in your town gets off a murder charge by reason of insanity, should they just set him loose on the street again?

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 19, 2007 @ 1:42 pm

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  86. “This is easily one of the dunbest things I’ve ever read. Really, you deserve some kind of an award.”

    Yeah, yet you’re in company with people who claim the Earth gets fat around the middle from racing around the Sun so many times. And that makes perfect sense to you!

    “The earth doesn’t move? Citing the bible as a source? I feel a mixture of sorrow and deep contempt for you. You are obviously completely ignorant, living in a medival fantasy world. You poor fool.”

    The Founding Fathers shared my delusions, Hasenkatz. If you don’t like the country they’ve devised, perhaps you should seek a home elsewhere.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 19, 2007 @ 1:53 pm

  87. “Basically, for the scale of things taking place on this planet, Newton’s physics are still used since the effects of relativity are too weak to effect the data in any meaningful way. When we start dealing with high velocities in orbit, we take relativity into account. You most likely were not aware, but satellites in orbit and probes in deep space are tuned according to the equations of the theory of relativity to negate the effects of time dilation that occurs (one clock seems to be moving at a different rate than the one on Earth). Not to mention that NASA recently did experiments using probes in orbit that proved Einstein’s equations by letting us actually observe relativity.”

    This is why I say that, while it may be mathematically convenient to assume the Earth moves from time to time, ultimately we have to accept the reality that it doesn’t move. Everything else moves in relation to it.

    “This might be hard for you to wrap your head around since “you can’t feel the Earth moving.”

    I don’t see how a stationary Earth and the trajectories NASA plots for its satellites are mutually exclusive.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 19, 2007 @ 2:02 pm

  88. “I wonder what you’re doing on the internet if you seriously don’t believe in the past several hundred years of science. Jesus certainly never mentioned the internet. We all know it was invented by a bunch of godless California atheists, and many aspects of it are eerily similar to things described in the book of Revelation as the work of the beast.”

    The Lord moves in mysterious ways, Eduardo.

    “’m wondering why you think it’s OK to be using Dumb-o-Crap invented technology like the internet, computers, vaccines, airplanes, television, electricity, etc.”

    Republicans are the ones who’ve financed industry, business, and communications technology. The Democrats only came up with online pornography, Al Gore’s claims notwithstanding.

    “Do you really not know that Satan is behind the internet and all those other technologies?”

    A technology, in and of itself, is neutral. How it’s used is where the sin comes in.

    “While we’re talking about physics I for one would like some proof that the world is round. It makes no sense to me and it directly contradicts the book of Revelation which says that the world is square with an angel at each corner. Do you believe in the book of Revelation and the flat earth it describes or are you just a CINO (Christian In Name Only), one of those traitors who only believes in the words of the Lord when it’s convenient to?”

    That’s an interesting point. I hadn’t thought about it before. Do you have any links you could send me? I’m pretty skeptical, but if there’s anything out there on this subject, I’ll give it a look-see.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 19, 2007 @ 2:09 pm

  89. “Yeah, yet you’re in company with people who claim the Earth gets fat around the middle from racing around the Sun so many times. And that makes perfect sense to you!”

    It has nothing to do with how many times the Earth revolves around the Sun, rather the enormous gravitational the Sun and Moon exert upon the Earth. The Earth also bulges as a result of centrifugal force; it’s spinning at approximately 1000mph.

    You can see the inverse of this effect whenever you sit down on your hemroid doughnut.

    Oh, and the Sun’s (and Moon’s) gravitational pull is one of the main reasons why the Earth is so active tectonically. Or are you suggesting that earthquakes are a liberal conspiracy?

    I’d stick to rolling stones uphill, if I were you.

    Comment by urizon — May 19, 2007 @ 2:23 pm

  90. “It has nothing to do with how many times the Earth revolves around the Sun, rather the enormous gravitational the Sun and Moon exert upon the Earth. The Earth also bulges as a result of centrifugal force; it’s spinning at approximately 1000mph.”

    So, Earth gets fat because other planets are chasing it while it tries to run away. Yet I’m the one who’s bought into junk science here!

    “You can see the inverse of this effect whenever you sit down on your hemroid doughnut.”

    I don’t even know what this means.

    “Oh, and the Sun’s (and Moon’s) gravitational pull is one of the main reasons why the Earth is so active tectonically. Or are you suggesting that earthquakes are a liberal conspiracy?”

    Earthquakes are caused by God, not by some silly theory about how Earth is having a heart attack from running around so much.

    “I’d stick to rolling stones uphill, if I were you.”

    The best part is rolling the stone downhill, and crushing moonbats with it when they come to get me.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 19, 2007 @ 2:29 pm

  91. Just be sure to get out of the way of your own stupidity, Einstein.

    Comment by urizon — May 19, 2007 @ 2:53 pm

  92. Doesn’t the bible imply that the world is flat too (i.e. 4 corners)? Is this also disputed by “believers”?

    Comment by Mambra — May 19, 2007 @ 2:54 pm

  93. Folks, tread lightly when listening to this one. Though the words he speaketh of Galileo and the fixed earth He created are true, remember that even Satan himself can take on a pleasing appearance.

    This one calls himself “Sisyphus” showing that he embraces the pagan hedonistic Greeks of yore. We all know that those born prior to the the coming of our Lord and Savior are damned to eternal suffering, so it strikes me as odd that this so-called “Christian” would embrace these pagans!

    You sir, are a pagan hedonist and a false prophet.

    Comment by Joseph — May 19, 2007 @ 2:54 pm

  94. “Just be sure to get out of the way of your own stupidity, Einstein.”
    I wish he were alive; he might listen to you and repent his wicked ways.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 19, 2007 @ 3:43 pm

  95. “Doesn’t the bible imply that the world is flat too (i.e. 4 corners)? Is this also disputed by “believers”?”

    If I could see some links about this, I promise I’ll approach them with an open mind.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 19, 2007 @ 3:46 pm

  96. “Folks, tread lightly when listening to this one. Though the words he speaketh of Galileo and the fixed earth He created are true, remember that even Satan himself can take on a pleasing appearance.”

    This is true.

    “This one calls himself “Sisyphus” showing that he embraces the pagan hedonistic Greeks of yore. We all know that those born prior to the the coming of our Lord and Savior are damned to eternal suffering, so it strikes me as odd that this so-called “Christian” would embrace these pagans!”

    I have chosen this pseudonym becase, while it is true that the Greeks were unspeakably perverse Pagans, I also feel that we stand to learn more from studying them than from disregarding them. Frankly, if my pen name has inspired even one reader to pick up a copy of Plato and thence graduate to the Bible, it has well been worth it.

    “You sir, are a pagan hedonist and a false prophet.”

    Your fears are understandable, yet groundless.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 19, 2007 @ 3:50 pm

  97. Sisyphus responded to the argument that the earths rotation causes centrifugal force which is resonsible for the buldge around the equator (which has been measured BTW) with:

    “This is the most ridiculous thing ever. Our planet is pudgy from running around the Sun so many times. Do you have any idea how silly you sound?”

    and again,

    “So, Earth gets fat because other planets are chasing it while it tries to run away. Yet I’m the one who’s bought into junk science here! ”

    Praise the many gods, this is hysterical. OK, I’ll speak really slow, and use little words so you will understand. The earth is SPINNING. Spinning like a top. That’s what “rotates” means. “Running around the sun” would be orbiting, not rotating. Here’s a quote from a British astronomical society article:

    “The Earth is not completely spherical. It is, instead, slightly oblate. That is, it is slightly flattened at the poles, and buldges slighly at the equator, as a result of its rotation. One effect of the rotation of the Earth, and also of the fact that its radius at the poles is slightly less than at the equator, is that one appears to weigh very slightly more at the poles than one does at the equator.”

    Like I said, Sisyphus hasn’t a clue of what he speaks. He just uses the MSU method (Making Sh*t Up). And again thank you for that, I’ve had many good belly laughs today here.

    Comment by Science Avenger — May 19, 2007 @ 4:36 pm

  98. Repent now, and God may forgive you.

    Comment by Joseph — May 19, 2007 @ 5:16 pm

  99. “Praise the many gods, this is hysterical. OK, I’ll speak really slow, and use little words so you will understand. The earth is SPINNING. Spinning like a top. That’s what “rotates” means. “Running around the sun” would be orbiting, not rotating. Here’s a quote from a British astronomical society article:”

    Some Darwinist across the pond is not going to salvage your silly ideas about how our planet needs to go on a diet. Now you’re claiming that spinning is causing it to get fat? And I suppose earthquakes happen when the Earth’s tummy rumbles because it’s dizzy from all the spinning. Beyond absurd. I’m going to have to back up what Joseph said to you:

    “Repent now, and God may forgive you.”

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 19, 2007 @ 5:50 pm

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  101. This is so awesome….I totally hope Brownback gets the Republican nomination. Sisyphus, do you think you could do a post refuting gravity next?

    Comment by brand-new Brownback supporter — May 19, 2007 @ 6:15 pm

  102. “This is so awesome….I totally hope Brownback gets the Republican nomination. Sisyphus, do you think you could do a post refuting gravity next?”

    Gravity, as a concept, clearly exists. Less clear is what, exactly, causes it. If you have any links regarding the subject, I’ll happily read through them.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 19, 2007 @ 6:19 pm

  103. Gravity, as a concept, clearly exists. Less clear is what, exactly, causes it.

    God causes gravity, atheist.

    Comment by The Grand Inquisitor — May 19, 2007 @ 6:24 pm

  104. God causes gravity, atheist.

    I’m also responsible for the Earth orbiting around the Sun. Really, Sisyphus, my child, get a clue. Believing in Me is not an excuse for being stupid.

    Comment by God — May 19, 2007 @ 6:25 pm

  105. “God causes gravity, atheist.”

    Obviously. But is the method direct, or indirect? This is unclear.

    I apologize for the earlier terminological confusion.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 19, 2007 @ 6:30 pm

  106. “I’m also responsible for the Earth orbiting around the Sun. Really, Sisyphus, my child, get a clue. Believing in Me is not an excuse for being stupid.”

    I include this comment to show how low blasphemous atheists are willing to stoop. God does not have to write comments to my blog. God would never write a blog comment refuting His immortal text. The very idea is beyond absurd, frankly.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 19, 2007 @ 6:31 pm

  107. Sisyphus,

    I know you say you have thick skin; but I am truly sorry for all the flak you are taking here. As for me, I just want to thank you for this post as it clears up one of my long standing concerns. Reading Luke 13:31-32 I was never sure of what sort of tail Herod had. Now I know it was a bushy one. Thanks again.

    Comment by David — May 19, 2007 @ 6:49 pm

  108. Next time you power up your computer, remember it is the THEORY of electricity that allows you to do that. And the next time you get a “kidney infection”, remember that it is the THEORY of evolution that has allowed doctors to develop the antibiotic that allows your wife to be cured.

    Comment by calipygian — May 19, 2007 @ 7:01 pm

  109. For too long our public discourse has lacked an articulate voice that could speak from a Geocentric perspective. My friends, that voice has arrived.

    Fight the power, Sis (if I may).

    Fight. The. Power.

    Comment by DPS — May 19, 2007 @ 7:11 pm

  110. This is the greatest practical joke ever played.

    Well done, Sisyphus.

    Comment by Jeff Ventura — May 19, 2007 @ 7:30 pm

  111. The computer you used to type this ignorant screed relies on quantum mechanics to operate. It could not function without it. The servers that host your filth do too as well as the fiber optic cables that carry your hateful ignorance around the world. Nor does your theory explain the parallax we observe when the Earth is at opposite points in its orbit. Parallax is like if you were to look at something and close one eye, then open it and close the other. The distant object will appear to move even though it has not. That is parallax. An experiment even you can conduct. Astronomers have observed a long time ago that the distant stars appear to move due to parallax caused by the Earth orbiting the Sun. This simple fact refutes your ignorant notions.

    I don’t even know why I try, your mind is dead, nothing anyone could ever say would bring you back to life. You’ve made your choice, I pity you.

    Comment by noen — May 19, 2007 @ 7:30 pm

  112. Sisyphus said:

    “Some Darwinist across the pond is not going to salvage your silly ideas about how our planet needs to go on a diet. Now you’re claiming that spinning is causing it to get fat?”

    Sweet sweatin Jesus, YES spinning causes it to elongate across the middle and buldge. That’s what PHYSICS, common sense, and simple observation says! Is there any well-established science you aren’t declaring invalid today? Go look at a picture of Jupiter or Saturn, and you’ll notice a severe bulge along their equators. Earth’s bulge is less noticeable than their’s because they are mostly gas. Check the figures here. Notice the part that says:

    Equatorial radius: 6,378.137 km
    Polar radius: 6,356.752 km

    You’ll notice the equatorial radius is larger, thus the “bulge”. Try learning something about a subject before popping off about it.

    Praise the many gods I’m glad Brownback chose to run for President, even if he is going to get crushed like a grape. This is going to be worth belly laughs for weeks.

    Comment by Science Avenger — May 19, 2007 @ 7:33 pm

  113. “I know you say you have thick skin; but I am truly sorry for all the flak you are taking here. As for me, I just want to thank you for this post as it clears up one of my long standing concerns. Reading Luke 13:31-32 I was never sure of what sort of tail Herod had. Now I know it was a bushy one. Thanks again.”

    You’re welcome.

    “Next time you power up your computer, remember it is the THEORY of electricity that allows you to do that. And the next time you get a “kidney infection”, remember that it is the THEORY of evolution that has allowed doctors to develop the antibiotic that allows your wife to be cured.”

    What does eectricity have to do with the theory of Heliocentrism? Why does my wife depend upon my doctors’ ability to evolve me some healthy kidneys?

    “Fight the power, Sis (if I may).

    Fight. The. Power.”

    I appreciate the sentiment. Thank you. The only True Power is on my side, though.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 19, 2007 @ 7:40 pm

  114. “Equatorial radius: 6,378.137 km
    Polar radius: 6,356.752 km

    You’ll notice the equatorial radius is larger, thus the “bulge”. Try learning something about a subject before popping off about it.”

    I notice you use thhe metric system. That automatically makes your calculations suspect. The metric system is pure evil.

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 19, 2007 @ 7:46 pm

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  116. Science Avenger,

    Don’t you think maybe you’re letting your own body-image insecurities get the better of you? Just because you could stand to lose a little weight around the middle, does that mean that the Earth has a bulge as well? Look into your heart and consider whether there isn’t perhaps some truth to this.

    Perhaps, instead of writing angry tirades about Senator Brownback and God, you should put your energy into Tae-bo, or perhaps acquire some Jazzercise tapes. I think you will feel much better about yourself and about others.

    Yours in Christ,

    DPS

    Comment by DPS — May 19, 2007 @ 7:47 pm

  117. “This is the greatest practical joke ever played.

    Well done, Sisyphus.”

    Huh?

    “The computer you used to type this ignorant screed relies on quantum mechanics to operate. It could not function without it. The servers that host your filth do too as well as the fiber optic cables that carry your hateful ignorance around the world.”

    Who knew that Albert Einstein invented electricity? Yet that’s what your claim amounts to.

    “Nor does your theory explain the parallax we observe when the Earth is at opposite points in its orbit. Parallax is like if you were to look at something and close one eye, then open it and close the other. The distant object will appear to move even though it has not. That is parallax. An experiment even you can conduct.”

    I think the police use that one when they’re field-testing sobriety.

    “Astronomers have observed a long time ago that the distant stars appear to move due to parallax caused by the Earth orbiting the Sun. This simple fact refutes your ignorant notions.”

    Yes, I suppose that if you get very drunk, the Earth will seem to move a bit. I wouldn’t know, but you seem to be quite the expert.

    “I don’t even know why I try, your mind is dead, nothing anyone could ever say would bring you back to life. You’ve made your choice, I pity you.”

    I just hope you can finally muster up the courage to admit you have a problem.

    Science Avenger,

    I was going to thrash you, as well, but DPS already did the job for me. Thank you, DPS!

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 19, 2007 @ 7:54 pm

  118. At first even I, who in My omnipotence sees the fall of a sparrow, wasn’t sure whether this site was a practical joke or not. But now it is clear to Me that it is. Well done, Sisyphus and brethren! You have pleased Me. Go forth and multiply many posts.

    Comment by God — May 19, 2007 @ 7:56 pm

  119. Yes, I think you are a spoof site. 3Bulls, brilliant job but it’s over now. Time to pack it up.

    Unless…. if you can get Brownback to publicly support your “Heliocentrism is an Atheist Doctrine” that would be outstanding. He would never run for office again.

    Comment by noen — May 19, 2007 @ 8:17 pm

  120. Bravo!

    Its not the highly entertaining post and subsequent commentary by Sisyphus that bothers me, its posters like Marcia P. that scare the hell out of me.

    Comment by Simp — May 19, 2007 @ 8:27 pm

  121. “Yes, I think you are a spoof site. 3Bulls, brilliant job but it’s over now. Time to pack it up.”

    I’m not affiliated with 3Bulls. Psycheout put that link up, but he’s not affiliated with them either. I went over there today, because they had some question about Orrin Hatch. I really respect the man, but I didn’t really enjoy the website.

    “Unless…. if you can get Brownback to publicly support your “Heliocentrism is an Atheist Doctrine” that would be outstanding. He would never run for office again.”

    My positions needn’t always reflect the publicly-stated positions of Senator Brownback. I understand that in politics, sometimes one must be less than candid. After all, Al Qaeda (and its American moonbat subsidiaries) is listening…

    “Its not the highly entertaining post and subsequent commentary by Sisyphus that bothers me, its posters like Marcia P. that scare the hell out of me.”

    I like Marcia. She seems like a very decent person, and a devout Christian, as well. Why does she bother you?

    Well, I’m going to pack it in for the night. I’ll talk to you guys again Monday morning! See you tomorrow!

    Comment by Sisyphus — May 19, 2007 @ 8:32 pm

  122. You all scare the hell out of me. WWJD if he read this crap? Why is Pat Paulsen not campaigning this time? Ross Perot?

    Comment by David Levine — May 19, 2007 @ 8:46 pm

  123. “Since the advent of relativity theory in the early 1900s, the laws of physics have been written in covariant equations, meaning that they are equally valid in any frame. Heliocentric and geocentric theories are both used today, depending on which allows more convenient calculations”
    Misuse of science. Relativity puts geocentricism and heliocentricism as equals. Either viewpoint is fine. It does NOT prove anything about the Earth staying put, which also happens to go against relativity.
    “If it moved, we would feel it moving.”
    Therefore, if the Earth was round, we would feel it was round. If there were atoms, we would see atoms.
    “God, thru His Word…”
    Just wondering: why is “through” misspelled?
    “1) No one–not Copernicus, not Kepler, not Galileo, not Newton, not Einstein–absolutely no one has proven the earth to be moving.”
    Just as no one can prove that the universe is all just the dream in the mind of a sleeping duck.
    “2) The earth moves only thru abstract, abstruse, and esoteric mathematics invented to make it move.”
    Of course, chemical reactions occur only “thru” abstract, abstruse, and esoteric equations and diagrams invented to make them interact.
    “3) Over 200 truly scientific experiments using real mathematics have shown no earth movement, and these had the science establishment in a panic from the 1880’s until Einstein came to the rescue in 1905 with his “relativity” hypothesis.”
    I believe that many scientists believed that the completion of science was near at the time.
    “4) Relativity is pure claptrap and there isn’t a person reading this who can’t know that fact.”
    Wrong. That is an opinion.
    “5) Foucault’s Pendulum, the Coriolis Effect, and geostationary satellites do not prove a moving earth.”
    Nor do photographs show that the Earth is round.
    “Anyone can see that the results of the Michelson-Morley experiments–especially the light fringe results–prove a stationary earth”
    The Michelson-Morley experiments showed that there was no ether/aether/aethra that the ancient philosophers believed in.
    “In the beginning, the Bible makes clear, the earth was the center of our “solar” system, with no sun for it to go around until the 4th day of creation (Gen.1:14-19; HERE). At the End we read of a New Earth (HERE) replacing in the same location this old one (Rev. 20:11; 21:1,2). This New Earth which occupies the same location in the cosmos as the old one which has “fled away” is the place where God the Father and Jesus will dwell with the redeemed forever (Rev. 21:3).”
    First PROVE (scientifically) that the Bible is true. You can’t. A hypothesis must have clear, reproducible, experimental evidence. This is pseudoscience. I’ll believe the Bible when I have proof.
    “UPDATE II: Look, people, even your Heliocentric hero Galileo recanted his idiotic notions about the Earth revolving around the Sun. If he’s your so-called reliable source on this, I think it does wonders to shatter the idea’s credibility that one of its main proponents backed away from it so abruptly.”
    He recanted under the CHURCH INQUISITION on the threat of DEATH. If the Ancient Egyptians/Chinese/Greeks recanted addition and other simple mathematics, would that make it any less true? Is not the beauty, structure, and elegance of mathematics true?
    See http://lietk12.wordpress.com/2007/05/09/the-atomic-theory-should-not-be-taught-in-schools/ for why the Atomic Theory should not be taught in schools.

    I presume that you believe only Caucasians are supreme, that African Americans should still be slaves, that all Muslims are terrorists, that the Holocaust did not happen, and that all science and technology is false.

    Comment by lietk12 — May 19, 2007 @ 8:49 pm

  124. Teh stupid, it burns!

    Comment by Bat Guano — May 19, 2007 @ 9:11 pm

  125. “The only True Power is on my side, though.”

    Here’s hoping it’s Thorazine….in very large doses.

    Comment by hugh jorgan — May 19, 2007 @ 9:30 pm

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  127. Regardless of whether Sisyphus is doing A Modest Proposal or (a Colbert for those who don’t get the allusion), and regardless of whether Brownback would agree with the Stuck Earthers…

    The fact is that the when asked about evolution, Brownback (and Tancredo, and Huckabee) said that they didn’t believe in it. Stuck Earth is not inconsistent with this level of scientific knowledge.

    Comment by Viadd — May 19, 2007 @ 10:00 pm

  128. Sisyphus, you are a false prophet!

    Comment by Shameful — May 19, 2007 @ 10:02 pm

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  130. I think it’s kind of interesting you do not believe the Earth moves simply because you can’t feel it move: “If it moved, we would feel it moving.”. What’s ironic to me is that you believe in God, however a belief in God does not rely on any of the 5 senses. How do you believe in God then if you can’t taste, smell, touch, see or hear Him?

    Comment by karenferguson — May 19, 2007 @ 10:08 pm

  131. Well done sir. Kudos. Next I recommend you do a spoof site supporting Giuliani. Something to do with plungers perhaps.

    Comment by ec1009 — May 19, 2007 @ 10:41 pm

  132. ROTFLMAO DPS, thanks for the belly laugh, and Sisyphus’last few comments which make it clear this is a satire site, a joke. Either that or the people running it are 12-year-olds. That might explain Sisyphus’ “I know you are but what am I?” style of “argument”.

    Well done. The Onion would be proud.

    Now nail the dismount by claiming you don’t know what the Onion is.

    Comment by Science Avenger — May 19, 2007 @ 10:48 pm

  133. Dude, are you serious? I don’t want my children to learn about America at school.

    Comment by Dmitri — May 20, 2007 @ 12:04 am

  134. “If you support moral relativism over Christianity, you hate the Christian nation of America. If you hate the minds of the children of America, you hate America. If you would rather have Osama take over than allow for the teaching of the truth in schools, you hate America.”

    wow…. I REALLY hope you are joking about this… CHRISTIAN nation of America? I’m sorry… Myself… I’m Agnostic, not Christian… I have served my country in two theaters of war. Afghanistan and Iraq. Most recently, I lost a leg in Iraq.

    If I’m fighting for the CHRISTIAN nation of America, then I have made a pretty embarrassing mistake. And a very costly one. Because I had assumed that I was serving the free United States. Religious freedom is what this nation was built on, yes? That means we are a nation built not upon Christianity, but an inherent belief that man can choose to worship how when and if he wishes. If you feel that I am mistaken in this, then you imply that my service, and my loss, was somehow invalid. Because I’m sure in your opinion I am a godless heathen, to be damned forever.

    Well. I suppose that my service is implying your right to say these things. That is one thing I hold dear as a member of the Armed Forces. YOUR right to free speech.

    Thank you for your time.

    Comment by P Heart — May 20, 2007 @ 5:12 am

  135. There are some very frightening people on the Internet. My husband warns me all the time about situations like this, but I always tell him to shush. Now I think he may be right. These “helioleftists” are some dangerous, dangerous people. I’d ban them if I were in charge of this site. Ban them, and call the police on them if they tried posting again. It’s the only way to deal with people like that.

    Comment by Marcia P. — May 20, 2007 @ 5:57 am

  136. After reading this, I have come to conclude that the name of author of this post reflects his/her current stand: In an endless loop. I’m politically correct, but I shall use “his” for convenience for now.

    Regarding this post in summary, it is clear that Sisyphus has very rudimentary knowledge of physics and heliocentrism. I am shocked that there are people (hopefully none of them esteemed physicists) who actually bel